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[14:22] <Pendulum> apinheiro_lunch: any chance you'd be interested in doing an IRC talk for Ubuntu Open Week next week on Ubuntu a11y or Orca or something along those lines?
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[14:32] <apinheiro> Pendulum, hi
[14:32] <apinheiro> well, the issue is that I were more focused on just Unity
[14:33] <apinheiro> for Ubuntu a11y in general, I think that TheMuso is more suitable
[14:35] <Pendulum> on Unity is fine :)
[14:35] <Pendulum> since you probably know it more than anyone else :P
[14:35] <Pendulum> (other than TheMuso, but sadly the way Open Week works, he's in the wrong time zone :( )
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[15:10] <webczat> Hey, what's new?
[16:55] <webczat> did someone tested the qt bridge?
[17:05] <webczat> I can't test it, but I'm trying to compile it.
[17:44] <webczat> maco: you there?
[17:46] <maco> webczat: yes
[17:47] <webczat> did you try testing qt-at-spi?
[17:47] <maco> no
[17:47] <webczat> I will install ubuntu-11 beta2 I think
[17:47] <webczat> but not sure if it's then safe to switch to the at-spi2 thing.
[17:47] <maco> it'll probably be a couple weeks before i get to it as i have plans all weekend this weekend and am graduating the weekend after that
[17:49] <charlie-tca> webczat: grab the daily instead. It has a lot changes in it
[17:49] <webczat> do you at least know if at-spi2 itself works?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> !daily
[17:49] <ubot2> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:50] <webczat> thanks for the information. what's the difference between 2 links?
[17:52] <webczat> ahh I see. what are most notable changes in this livecd?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> There were hundreds of changes between beta2 and now
[18:08] <charlie-tca> If you install beta2, you might have 300 upgrades to do 
[18:13] <webczat> what about accessibility-related?
[18:13] <maco> webczat: i dont think my change to ubiquity to make it read the right stuff on the partitioning page was in beta 2
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I think there were a lot of changes. screen-reader install failed for beta2, now it works
[18:20] <webczat> mhm
[18:20] <webczat> let's go with it, going to grap a cd.
[18:33] <webczat> is there any thing new like a beep at bootloader prompt, or something?
[18:34] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, no
[18:34] <charlie-tca> They are still making it hard for us
[18:41] <AlanBell> there is a bug for that
[18:43] <webczat> but they didn't do it.
[18:44] <webczat> AlanBell: do you know if at-spi2 works correctly in ubuntu?
[18:45] <AlanBell> webczat: sorry, not sure
[18:45] <AlanBell> just searched for that bug and it turns out there are three bugs already filed
[18:46] <AlanBell> all filed by me
[18:46] <AlanBell> bug 749642
[18:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 749642 in casper "no audio cue to assist getting to menu for accessibility options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/749642
[18:46] <AlanBell> Bug #617835
[18:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617835 in casper "no audio indication of when and how to get to the accessible installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617835
[18:46] <AlanBell> Bug #732320
[18:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732320 in ubiquity "no audio clues on how to get into the accessible install with screen reader" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732320
[18:46] <maco> heh whoops
[19:07] <webczat> Actually, does someone know why ubuntu does not use at-spi2 by default?
[19:11] <maco> webczat: it's incomplete, isn't it?  also, Dasher (predictive on-screen keyboard) is pretty broken with it (can't input into programs directly, have to copy and paste from Dasher's text editor)
[19:12] <maco> (Dasher's upstream doesn't see a reason to fix that though :( )
[19:21] <webczat> maco: i thought at-spi2 is complete, because gnome3 dropped bonobo right? so at-spi2 needs to be completed to replace at-spi
[19:22] <maco> what does bonobo have to do with at-spi?
[19:22] <webczat> ahh. because at-spi is corba
[19:22] <webczat> i mean 1
[19:23] <webczat> 2 is dbus and this is the reason that qt-at-spi needs 2
[19:23] <maco> the gnome-accessibility mailing list earlier today had a discussion where someone was trying to compile orca and they were told to stop using at-spi2 and use at-spi 1 since its not done enough yet
[19:24] <webczat> mhm, maybe it's right
[19:25] <webczat> but ubuntu-11 has it. so I'll check if it can work.
[19:25] <webczat> there is a method to switch between at-spi versions.
[19:25] <webczat> using gconf keys
[19:28] <webczat> i sent a question to orca guis, awaiting answer about that
[19:28] <webczat> s/guys
[19:55] <webczat> ubuntu-11 ready. going out for it, bye.
[21:23] <hajour1> hi all still on my daughters pc 
[21:40] <ubuntu_> hey. at-spi2 tested, qt-at-spi test in progress, I don't have skype (I want to test the accessibility thing with skype)
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[21:40] <webczat> oops
[21:41] <hajour1> AlanBell,  can you help webczat maybe?
[21:41] <hajour1> hi leoquant 
[21:41] <leoquant> hi hajour1 
[21:41] <AlanBell> if I knew the answer I would have said :)
[21:41] <hajour1> o sorry
[21:42] <hajour1> do you know who maybe can help webczat  AlanBell 
[21:42] <AlanBell> its OK
[21:42] <hajour1> really need a list with names and who to ask for what
[21:42] <AlanBell> webczat has already asked in all the places I would think of
[21:42] <hajour1> mm 
[21:43] <hajour1> what that at-spi2 is for?
[21:43] <AlanBell> the only thing I would have done differently is that I would have asked webczat :)
[21:44] <hajour1> what=where 
[21:44] <AlanBell> at-spi2 is the assistive technology service provider interface (I think)
[21:44] <AlanBell> version 1 uses corba, version 2 uses dbus
[21:44] <webczat> yeah
[21:45] <hajour1> ???
[21:45] <webczat> and it works great.
[21:45] <AlanBell> corba and dbus are different ways of getting programs to talk to each other
[21:45]  * hajour1 regrate she is still a nooby
[21:45] <hajour1> a ok
[21:45] <AlanBell> webczat: version 2 works great?
[21:45] <webczat> AlanBell: I'm running it for half an hour and it's ok.
[21:46] <webczat> unless i missed something and I still use version 1? but ps shows version 2 and 1 is not installed.
[21:46] <hajour1> so its like a thing what connects
[21:46] <hajour1> i am trying to understand it
[21:47] <webczat> I also installed qt-at-spi. and ran qt designer, it works in a strange way, i don't think i really understand it, but it doesn't crash and it is probably accessible. I want to try with skype that i know more about.
[21:47] <webczat> but I fscking can't find a download link lol
[21:47] <AlanBell> download link for skype?
[21:47] <webczat> yeah. I pressed get skype and then I can't find a link.
[21:48] <webczat> I one time found it few weeks ago but I don't remember how
[21:48] <AlanBell> 64 or 32 bit?
[21:48] <webczat> 32
[21:48] <webczat> i didn't burn 64 bit ubuntu-11 although i could
[21:49] <AlanBell> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/downloading.ubuntu32
[21:49] <AlanBell> although that is just hanging for me at the moment
[21:49] <AlanBell> working now
[21:49] <AlanBell> that page should automatically kick off the download
[21:50] <AlanBell> hajour1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistive_Technology_Service_Provider_Interface
[21:51] <hajour1> i going to try to read it
[21:52] <hajour1> i go read it later to much talking here around me at the moment
[21:56] <hajour1> mmm i not know how to say it easy so i have write it on a note from my facebook.
[21:56] <webczat> AlanBell: right, installed on a livecd, tests done. not really accessible but I see something, so it's actually going in the right direction.
[21:56] <hajour1> i will wait till you are ready with this
[21:57] <webczat> AlanBell: like, I see some unmarked button, the sign in button, checkbox for remember me, and username/password fields. fields are strange, username is displayed as combobox, password as cleartext, and when I type something, I can't read it back.
[21:58] <webczat> not sure why is that. but anyway it stopped to be an inaccessible window
[22:00] <webczat> but at-spi2 itself works correctly
[22:00] <AlanBell> that is promising at least
[22:01] <webczat> yeah, I see.
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[22:02] <webczat> I am really waiting for this beautiful day, when I'll be able to use kde, skype and other things like that.
[22:02] <webczat> it was a big hole for a long periot of time.
[22:07] <hajour1> so i have write it here if you want for who want to read it see link >>> http://www.facebook.com/games#!/note.php?note_id=150090575056575
[22:09] <webczat> okay, a next at-spi test with qt on skype after logon. hmm, it seems it reads bad control types
[22:09] <webczat> but actually I was able to go to the menu and quit.
[22:09] <webczat> woohoo
[22:09] <hajour1> what are control types?
[22:10] <webczat> types of things that are inside windows on the screen: buttons, textboxes, etc.
[22:10] <webczat> going out for today guys.
[22:17] <hajour1> btw that link is not info from a game
[22:17] <hajour1> its info about me
[22:17] <hajour1> bah then i have put it in the wrong place
[22:19] <hajour1> i still not know how to put a message there
[22:20] <hajour1> going to try to find it out brb
[22:26] <hajour1> so think i have succeed now