[09:11] <thorwil> vish: http://www.calebclark.org/?p=870
[10:02] <vish> thorwil: hmm.. but save the ML and do what?
[10:05] <thorwil> vish: it doesn't seem that applicable to the lists we know. though a single round of that invitation model would be worth a try for some new lists
[10:05] <vish> ah! yea..
[10:06] <thorwil> of course, using some key-code and changing it from time to time would allow to keep people off the list, unlike simple forced unsubscribing and hoping they won't just come back with a different address
[10:08] <vish>  funny though, that the article is 12yrs old and still applicable :D
[10:10] <vish> shows how little the 'attractive forces' for projects has changed in all these years..
[13:50] <pr0xy> Hi, I'm working on a custom Ubuntu-based distro. I need desktop backgrounds. Can you help?
[13:51] <coz_> pr0xy,   cool.... ah,,, well  not sure who here is free to do that,, but cant hurt to ask for sure,,, what is the name of t he new distribution?
[13:52] <pr0xy> ugr. You can find our homepage at ugr.teampr0xy.net
[13:54] <coz_> pr0xy,   this is cool... you already know that natty has classic gnome as well ..yes?
[13:55] <coz_> although I personally dont like natty at this moment  at least the Unity part of it,,, so I understand the desire to have a regular gnome desktop
[13:55] <pr0xy> Yes, but our goal is to provide GNOME 3. Plus, Mark Shuttleworth said that 11.10 and beyond would only ship woth Unity.
[13:55] <pr0xy> with*
[13:56] <coz_> pr0xy,   ah   right because of the resource useage by gnome3  so far,, I believe that is the reason  we went from mutter to compiz on Unity
[13:56] <pr0xy> Is the resource usage too high? We're working with the GNOME 3 team, now.
[13:57] <coz_> pr0xy,   I have tested it many times,, it is far  too resource intensive on mid range systems  so far,, although I know many people have commented on the same issue with ubuntu going compiz instead of mutter  ,, they wanted gnome3   on natty
[13:57] <zniavre_> good afternoon
[13:57] <coz_> zniavre_,  hey guy :)
[13:58] <zniavre_> gnome3( -shell) and unity do not want my gfx card  ...
[13:58] <coz_> zniavre_,   right
[13:58] <coz_> pr0xy,   and zniavre_
[13:58] <coz_> pr0xy,   and  zniavre_
[13:58] <coz_> damn
[13:59] <pr0xy> THe UGR team is working on that with the GNOME 3 team.
[13:59] <zniavre_> buying new graphic card to poor ppl like me ?
[13:59] <coz_> pr0xy,   well I think it would be cool  to have a gnome3  ubuntu version
[13:59] <zniavre_> where can i dl your distrib ???
[13:59] <pr0xy> No, fixing the compatibility issues, zniavre_
[13:59] <zniavre_> mmmffff ...
[13:59] <coz_> pr0xy,  but as zniavre_   has mentioned,, many people cant use gnome 3 unless they have a really modern system...
[13:59] <zniavre_> :o)
[14:00] <coz_> pr0xy,    but  I see no reason artwork cant be done for it
[14:00]  * zniavre_ feel under pressure of devices 
[14:01] <pr0xy> My desktop has a pentium4 and it's like 6 years old. GNOME 3 works okay on it, actually. Pretty much the same as Natty.
[14:01] <coz_> pr0xy,   this is not meant as a  put down in any respect,, but   I would prefer compiz over mutter,,, had gnome3  gone with the   "gnome3  clever windows"  concept.. they may have won me over for sure
[14:01] <coz_> pr0xy,  ok then maybe mutter has improved
[14:01] <zniavre_> my PC is over 13y/o what to do with new interfaces ?
[14:01] <pr0xy> Then again, I have a nice gfx card.
[14:01] <coz_> pr0xy,  ah see  that's the issue
[14:02] <coz_> pr0xy,   with compiz  you can use a lesser video card
[14:02] <pr0xy> Wow. What kind of computer, znaivre_
[14:02] <pr0xy> ?
[14:02] <zniavre_> duno some pieces found in garbage
[14:02] <pr0xy> Lol.
[14:03] <zniavre_> amdxp 1.5ghz  2go ram ddr  fx5500 128mo
[14:03] <coz_> pr0xy,  I think this is a valid  distribution however,,, and most likely will be accepted as an official project
[14:03] <coz_> GRubuntu
[14:04] <pr0xy> We've asked for permissions from Canonical, and they didn't give us any...
[14:04] <coz_> oh!
[14:04] <pr0xy> so we're stuck with ubuntu gnome remix, for now.
[14:04] <pr0xy> We applied for Gubuntu.
[14:04] <coz_> UGR  is a good name :)
[14:05] <pr0xy> it's okay for now. We're working with it.
[14:05] <coz_> :)
[14:05] <pr0xy> I've already started theming
[14:05] <coz_> pr0xy,  so the goal is to have this default to  gnome3 ...yes?
[14:05] <pr0xy> Yes. Would you like to join the Launchpad team?
[14:06] <coz_> pr0xy,   well I wouldnt mind  ,,, I dont know what I could contribute graphically,,, I do have a flickr account with some of my own work  not much is about desktop backgrounds though
[14:07] <coz_> www.flickr.com/photos/coz_
[14:07] <pr0xy> Oh, could you make some?
[14:07] <coz_> pr0xy, there is one desktop background on the second page of that account  named  "babies"
[14:08] <pr0xy> Well... That's interesting...
[14:09] <coz_> pr0xy,  I can play with some images and let you know
[14:09] <pr0xy> Could you put ugr on it in the ubuntu font?
[14:09] <coz_> pr0xy,  on the babies image?
[14:09] <pr0xy> or on the sunset one.
[14:10] <coz_> pr0xy,    oh!  wow  sure  that would be easily done,, i would have to remove my signature from it,, and  how large would you like the UGR  on that image?
[14:10] <pr0xy> uh, do you use gimp?
[14:10] <coz_> i do
[14:11] <pr0xy> check out mine at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/70359475/ugr-stripes.jpg
[14:11] <coz_> ah cool
[14:12] <zniavre_> i hav made only mac-aubergine wallpaper ...
[14:12] <pr0xy> Both Babies and sunset would be nice to have. put ugr in the lowercase using the ubuntu font, somewhere.
[14:12] <pr0xy> what's the URL, znaivre_?
[14:12] <coz_> pr0xy,  ok let me do that now
[14:12] <coz_> pr0xy,  what resolutions do you want ?
[14:13] <pr0xy> uhhh... Wallpaper sized.
[14:13] <pr0xy> Like, the same as mine.
[14:13] <coz_> pr0xy,   something like 1280x1024
[14:13] <coz_> ?
[14:13] <coz_> let me check that res
[14:13] <zniavre_> http://i.imgur.com/YbW6C.png    i too shy to share it    :o)
[14:14] <coz_> pr0xy,  ok yours is 1920 x 1200
[14:14] <pr0xy> That would be fine, coz_
[14:14] <coz_> ok
[14:14] <coz_> pr0xy,  I will have to redo some of the babies  image to fit that scale
[14:15] <pr0xy> okay, as long as you keep the elephants part.
[14:16] <coz_> pr0xy,  understood
[14:16] <coz_> :)
[14:16] <pr0xy> okay.
[14:16] <zniavre_> :o)
[14:17] <pr0xy> ugr might look nice in white in the bottom corner, on an angle, so it fits in the angled piece of ground at the bottom right..
[14:17] <coz_> pr0xy,  on babies  you mean?
[14:17] <zniavre_> wich theme engine gnome3 will use ?
[14:18] <pr0xy> Yes. If you join the launchpad project, you can share by making a bug response on the bug 'wallpaper'
[14:18] <pr0xy> GNOME 3 uses mutter, right?
[14:19] <pr0xy> also, how is Canonical going to transfer Unity over to Wayland?
[14:19] <coz_> pr0xy,  yes gnome3 uses mutter
[14:20] <coz_> pr0xy,  well I know that sam ,, our main developer on compiz  , has been playing with that for some time
[14:20] <pr0xy> okay, so if you join the launchpad project I'm an admin, so I'll get you in right away. Do you work with Canonical?
[14:20] <coz_> pr0xy,   not sure what the complications are at t his point and certainly not usre what is happening  at canonical with wayland
[14:21] <coz_> pr0xy,  i do not ,, several people on this team do work for them however
[14:21] <pr0xy> okay.
[14:21] <coz_> pr0xy,  i just dont remember who they are,, maybe  kwwii_   but not sure
[14:21] <pr0xy> okay. Well, if you can share that... that would be great.
[14:22] <coz_> pr0xy,   I am editing the 2 images now
[14:22] <pr0xy> okay.
[14:23] <pr0xy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome
[14:23] <coz_> pr0xy,  ok
[14:23] <pr0xy> the bug you should post them to is titled WALLPAPER
[14:23] <coz_> pr0xy,  ok cool
[14:24] <coz_> pr0xy,  you just want a link to the images ,, yes?
[14:24] <coz_> I will put them in my dropbox account for access
[14:24] <pr0xy> for now. You attach them in a reply to the bug.
[14:25] <pr0xy> add a comment and attach them to it.
[14:25] <coz_> pr0xy,   ok  I will try to do it correctly :)
[14:25] <pr0xy> okay. also, if you could help with a logo, that would be stellar.
[14:26] <coz_> pr0xy,   will give it some thought :)
[14:26] <pr0xy> cool.
[14:28] <pr0xy> Can we do spinoffs on the Circle of friends without permissions to use a bunch of copyright crap?
[14:29] <coz_> pr0xy,  mm  I believe so but  I would research that first,, although I think they are either gpl or creative commons   ,, still i would check to be sure
[14:29] <pr0xy> okay
[14:29] <coz_> pr0xy,   I have seen many spinoffs of it but not attached to a distribution
[14:30] <pr0xy> oh. what about kubuntu?
[14:30] <coz_> pr0xy,   well yeah officially a canonical distro
[14:31] <pr0xy> oh... that's true
[14:31] <coz_> pr0xy,    I believe , as I said it is either creative commons or gpl ,, either of which would allow for alterations and changes ,,,
[14:31] <pr0xy> okay
[14:32] <coz_> check to be sure,,, dont want hassles later down the line :)
[14:32] <pr0xy> yeah. If you can think of anything, let us know.
[14:32] <pr0xy> Did you post those pictures?
[14:36] <pr0xy> Did you post those pictures?
[14:37] <coz_> pr0xy,  I havent finished them yet :)
[14:37] <coz_> the sunset image is going to be a bit more difficult in placing the "ugr" and its color
[14:37] <pr0xy> oh, sorry.
[14:37] <pr0xy> yeah...
[14:38] <pr0xy> did you finish babies?
[14:38] <coz_> pr0xy,  no that one will be easier :)
[14:38] <pr0xy> can you do it first, and post it?
[14:38] <coz_> ok hold on
[14:38] <pr0xy> thank
[14:38] <pr0xy> thanks*
[14:39] <coz_> I have to find my folder with the different resolutions of that image  so it may take a few minutes to find it
[14:39] <pr0xy> okay
[14:44] <pr0xy> Sunset might be better without UGR on it, actually.
[14:44] <pr0xy> since there's not really anywhere to put it.
[14:45] <pr0xy> zniavre_ if you can do like that aubergine paper, but say ugr on it, that would be sweet, especially if it looked like handwriting.
[14:47] <coz_> pr0xy,  something like this  ?    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/babies2.png
[14:47] <coz_> pr0xy,  although I think the text should probably be  the yellow in the image
[14:50] <pr0xy> absolutely. but, use the ubuntu font.
[14:50] <coz_> pr0xy,  that is the ubuntu font  :(
[14:51] <coz_> I have set all grphics apps to default to ubuntu font  I will check it though hold on
[14:51] <pr0xy> ubuntu is what's on mine. did you use italic or something?
[14:51] <coz_> pr0xy,  no but let me check
[14:52] <coz_> pr0xy,  do you want regular or bold?
[14:52] <pr0xy> bold, mebbe?
[14:52] <coz_> ok let me try hold on
[14:52] <pr0xy> that might work better.
[14:53] <pr0xy> if it doesn't work, you might have an old version of the font.
[14:53] <coz_> pr0xy,  no i have the new one but hold on
[14:53] <pr0xy> 0.71.2
[14:53] <pr0xy> ?
[14:55] <coz_> pr0xy,  is this better?  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/babies2.png   let me c heck version
[14:55] <pr0xy> mebbe make it a little bit bigger.
[14:56] <coz_> font version  0.71.2-3
[14:56] <pr0xy> okay. make it bigger?
[14:57] <coz_> ok let me do that
[14:57] <coz_> how much bigger?
[14:58] <pr0xy> a bit? also, can instead of the sunset, mebbe do the bird india ink one?
[14:58] <coz_> ah let me check on that hold on ,, let me finishe this one first
[14:59] <coz_> pr0xy,   how about this attemtp?  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/babies2.png
[14:59] <coz_> wait that didnt work
[15:00] <pr0xy> pretty good. move it into the corner a little more.
[15:01] <coz_> pr0xy,     http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/babies.png
[15:01] <pr0xy> perfect.
[15:01] <pr0xy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ugr-meta/+bug/770095
[15:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 770095 in ugr-meta "WALLPAPER" [Medium,In progress]
[15:02] <coz_> pr0xy,  now let me see if I can get the bird  to work in that resolution
[15:02] <pr0xy> add comment and attach the image.
[15:03] <coz_> pr0xy,  ok I think I added that correctly
[15:03] <pr0xy> cann you upload the comment to the bug report?
[15:03] <coz_> pr0xy,  just did I believe
[15:03] <pr0xy> ok
[15:04] <pr0xy> you actually attach the file itself, not give a url.
[15:04] <coz_> ah ok hold on
[15:04] <pr0xy> it saves the file on the launchpad server for speed and error prevention (if you move the file on your dropbox or something.
[15:05] <coz_> ok I think i did it correctly
[15:07] <pr0xy> yep. now delete the original comment if you can.
[15:08] <coz_> let me try
[15:08] <coz_> pr0xy,  i dont think I can ,, you might have to since I dont have rights for that
[15:08] <pr0xy> oh. nevermind then.
[15:09] <coz_> pr0xy,   the bird image may be a bit more difficult to get to that resolution ... I may have to make additions to it to fit
[15:10] <pr0xy> okay.
[15:10] <pr0xy> that might be nice, and could you grey it a bit?
[15:12] <coz_> I will try hold on
[16:10] <pr0xy> sorry. I quit firefox by accident.
[16:14] <pr0xy> any progress, coz_?
[16:14] <coz_> pr0xy,  the bird image is giving me a bit of a problem... its dimensions are a bit off for that resolution but I am playing with a few idea
[16:15] <pr0xy> okey.
[16:18] <pr0xy> Just post them on the bug thing.
[16:19] <pr0xy> can you post them on th bug thing, coz_
[16:19] <coz_> pr0xy,  sure  just give me time because this bird image is not cooperating
[16:20] <pr0xy> okay, I need to leave, though, so i won't be back for a while...
[16:20] <coz_> ok
[16:44] <thorwil> coz_: what are your working on?
[16:44] <coz_> thorwil,  pr0xy wanted a few images for  his ubuntu gnome remix
[16:45] <thorwil> gnome 3 remix?
[16:45] <coz_> yes
[16:46] <thorwil> nice to see those elephants put to use
[16:46] <coz_> thorwil,  yeah I suppose ,, at least someone will get use of them :)
[16:47] <coz_> otherwise they just sit around,, because I dont use it :)
[16:47] <coz_> I do use the gimp splash with those babies though
[16:48] <coz_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/Gimp/3/gimp-splash.png
[16:53] <thorwil> hmm, that type doesn't talk with the image much
[16:53] <pr0xy> coz_, can you use the ubuntu bold font on the birds ones again?
[16:54] <coz_> pr0xy,   sure  give some time  I have a few errands to do ... so I will get to this a bit later ...yes?
[16:54] <pr0xy> okay, I've included bird1 as bird-symmetry
[16:54] <coz_> ok cool
[16:55] <pr0xy> I'm liking bird3, but can you blur the area to the sides?
[16:56] <coz_> pr0xy,  sure  let me know now what changes you want  ,, I will get to them after I return,, although I am not leaving at this moment so I can take notes and make changes
[16:56] <coz_> renames bird1 to bird-symmetry
[16:57] <pr0xy> actually, bird2 will be good, if you use the ubuntu bold font.
[16:57] <coz_> ok  will do  all t h e changes then :)
[16:59] <pr0xy> blur the sides of bird3, and use ubuntu bold on both.
[17:00] <coz_> ok cool
[17:00] <pr0xy> I'll include the new bird2 as birdsong and the new bird3 as variation on birdsong
[17:00] <coz_> ok renaming now
[17:01] <pr0xy> i've got bird-symmetry in the tar.gz
[17:01] <coz_> pr0xy,  you want birdsond-variation.png ..yes?
[17:01] <coz_> birdsong rather
[17:02] <pr0xy> yes, can you blur the side parts and use ubuntu bold?
[17:02] <coz_> sure not problem...will get to that  today :)
[17:02] <coz_> pr0xy,  do you still want a  sunset  one as well?
[17:03] <pr0xy> maybe, if you can tone the colors down a tad.
[17:03] <coz_> ok will try it out
[17:03] <pr0xy> can you post up any of those bird ones in a few minutes?
[17:06] <coz_> pr0xy,  maybe this on   is this more to your liking?  yes?
[17:06] <coz_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/birdsong.png
[17:06] <pr0xy> i've got less than 10 min battery life left.
[17:06] <pr0xy> move ugr a bit left
[17:07] <coz_> ooo  mm ok  that will take time  I have to redo the background then   or stamp tool it  ...mm that may be an issue ,, but I will get to it
[17:07] <pr0xy> like 1 pixels left
[17:07] <pr0xy> like 10 pixels left
[17:07] <coz_> ok let me try
[17:07] <pr0xy> it's just a textbox, right?
[17:08] <coz_> pr0xy,  well I  merged the layers down  so hold on
[17:08] <pr0xy> ok
[17:10] <pr0xy> if you get them done, i can post ugr-wallpaper-0.4
[17:10] <coz_> mm hold on working on them
[17:10] <pr0xy> okay. i'l be back in a bit. batteries are dead.
[17:13] <pr0xy> got mah chargur.
[17:21] <pr0xy> anything, coz_
[17:21] <pr0xy> ?
[17:21] <coz_> pr0xy,  hold on going to link  you to them to look at them  before I finalize it
[17:21] <pr0xy> okay
[17:21] <coz_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/birdsong-variation.png
[17:21] <coz_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/birdsong.png
[17:22] <coz_> this bird one was not really designed for wallpaper :)
[17:22] <vish> pr0xy: " <pr0xy> We've asked for permissions from Canonical, and they didn't give us any..." what do you mean by that?
[17:23] <pr0xy> variation should be normal birdsong, birdsong should be variation, and can you flip the bird so it faces the left, instead of right on the normal one, that should be variation??
[17:24] <pr0xy> vish: canonical didn't let us use the name 'Gubuntu', and they won't make us an official distro spin
[17:25] <pr0xy> coz_: switch the names, first?
[17:25] <coz_> ok
[17:25] <vish> pr0xy: why a separate distro? you can do that for the default itself..  :s
[17:25] <vish> they want to make vanilla gnome available..
[17:25] <pr0xy> we're using GNOME 3.
[17:25] <vish> yea, that too..
[17:25]  * vish grabs link and continues to read backlog
[17:26] <pr0xy> so... it's a spin. go to ugr.teampr0xy.net
[17:26] <pr0xy> coz_ on the new variation, can the bird part in the middle be in the opposite direction? like mirror it?
[17:26] <vish> pr0xy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-April/002877.html
[17:27] <vish> they want to do it for default itself, but dont have any community members working on it..
[17:27] <pr0xy> Yeah, but that's for oneiric. we're doing it NOW, not in 6 months...
[17:27] <vish> ha!!
[17:27] <pr0xy> and we're actually working with the gnome 3 team.
[17:28] <pr0xy> for realz.
[17:28] <vish> pr0xy: so for Oneiric you are working with them?
[17:28] <pr0xy> no. for a natty custom release.
[17:28] <vish> Upstream GNOME team or the Ubuntu gnome 3 team?
[17:28] <pr0xy> go to ugr.teampr0xy.net
[17:28] <pr0xy> i think we are the ubuntu gnome 3 team...
[17:29] <coz_> pr0http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/birdsong-variation.png
[17:29] <pr0xy> we have www.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome/
[17:29] <pr0xy> so I think it's us...
[17:29] <coz_> pr0xy,     http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/UGR/birdsong-variation.png
[17:29] <pr0xy> perfect, coz_
[17:30] <coz_> ok will post both of those now
[17:30] <vish> pr0xy: there is another team » https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team ?
[17:30] <vish> why cant we all work together :)
[17:30] <pr0xy> that's the official gnome 3 team, methinks.
[17:30] <vish> pr0xy: two teams doing the exact same thing is not really the best thing for users..
[17:31] <coz_> pr0xy,  could you give me that wallpaper link again
[17:31] <coz_> nevermind
[17:31] <vish> pr0xy: why not work with them? you could become official too..
[17:31] <vish> ;)
[17:31] <pr0xy> we... are...
[17:31] <pr0xy> as I stated previously...
[17:32] <pr0xy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ugr-meta/+bug/770095
[17:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 770095 in ugr-meta "WALLPAPER" [Medium,In progress]
[17:32] <pr0xy> that's it...
[17:32] <pr0xy> i'll put them in the package.
[17:33] <coz_> pr0xy,  ok thos 2 have been posted
[17:33] <pr0xy> okay
[17:34] <coz_> pr0xy,  I really have go here for about an hour,, and then I will try to work on that sunset image,, I may remove the black borders ,, and tone down the intensity of the colours...  so be back later  :)
[17:34] <pr0xy> okay.
[17:34] <pr0xy> or upload them
[19:37] <pr0xy> hey. anyone able to help with wallpapers?
[20:54] <darkmatter> vish: http://i.imgur.com/JJtzI.png :O!
[20:54] <vish> darkmatter: the indigenous Navi must be eliminated!!!
[20:54] <vish> ;p
[20:55] <darkmatter> harharhar
[20:55] <vish> looks like you started theming it already?
[20:55] <darkmatter> vish: just need new fonts and theme tweaks :P
[20:56] <vish> the top panel looks non-default..
[20:57] <vish> crappy branding of the wallpaper :/
[20:57] <darkmatter> atolm theme. user-there extension ftw :P
[20:57] <vish> really looks like a weed
[20:57] <vish> ah! shell themes!!
[20:58] <darkmatter> vish: just starting the customization. next step, getting adium styles to play nice with empathy 3.0
[20:58] <darkmatter> theme*
[20:58] <vish> one of the problems i have to moving to gtk3/gnome3 is to redo my dark themes again :S
[20:58] <darkmatter> then drop in my wallies
[20:59] <vish> i just almost got the gtk2 one to look a little close to how i like..
[20:59] <darkmatter> vish: thers actually a few gtk3 themes now! (on deviantart, no less
[20:59] <vish> s/almost//
[20:59] <darkmatter> that didn't take long. lol
[20:59] <vish> but ME WANTS DARK THEME :D
[21:00] <darkmatter> hehe
[21:01] <darkmatter> vish: forced shell/3 on the missus. she _LOVES_ it. anyone who says "normal people are afraid and resistant to/don't like change" can go shove that in a sock and beat themselves with it ;D
[21:02] <darkmatter> she figured it out faster than I dil. lol
[21:02] <darkmatter> did*
[21:02] <vish> yea, it will work for new users who have not used gnome
[21:02] <vish> but still not yet there..
[21:03] <vish> darkmatter: shell imo has nothing to figure out :p , its bare bones ;)
[21:04] <vish> pretty easy to get bored there after a few mins..
[21:04] <darkmatter> vish: yup. which is why I needed to transition now. I has a live icons whiteboard to work on. plus do a few extendings of my own :D
[21:06] <darkmatter> vish: the fedora integration is nice. yay for closest to upstream \o/
[21:06] <vish> pff..
[21:06] <vish> hasnt fedora always been closest to upstream?
[21:07] <darkmatter> vish: yup :P
[21:07] <darkmatter> less surprises, more workiez :P
[21:08] <vish> well, when i switched to Ubuntu, it was mainly where I can get more support, and Ubuntu had a larger user base and #ubuntu was more populated than #fedora
[21:08] <vish> from windows..
[21:08] <vish> XP!!! ;p
[21:08] <darkmatter> haha
[21:09] <darkmatter> vish: as long as it works :P
[21:09] <vish> i did try fedora in a virtual box back then and dint see any benefit then ;)
[21:11] <darkmatter> vish: though it does take some getting used to after not having used it for so long.
[21:11] <darkmatter> I forgot how 'fort knox' it is
[21:11] <darkmatter> likes to beat you over the head with SELinux. lol
[21:12] <vish> lol!