[00:01] <japtol> hey
[00:01] <japtol> how do i add extension=memcach.so to my php.ini file
[00:01] <japtol> im in the php.ini
[00:01] <japtol> do i just type in extension=memcache.so there
[00:03] <coalwater> idk, i just check the lines in the ini and see how the other extentions are enabled
[00:03] <coalwater> then restart apache ofcourse
[00:04] <coalwater> but yea that sounds like the right syntax
[00:05] <japtol> hmm
[00:06] <japtol> i just scrolled down
[00:06] <japtol> for like 5 min
[00:06] <japtol> cant spot any extensions
[00:06] <japtol> can i just put it on top of 'PHP
[00:06] <japtol> way at the top
[00:06] <coalwater> i usually put mine way down
[00:06] <coalwater> dont know if up works
[00:07] <coalwater> but there must be at least 1 extention in the ini, even if it's commented
[00:07] <coalwater> u using nano or gedit?
[00:07] <japtol> nano
[00:07] <coalwater> well try ctrl+w then type extension and enter
[00:07] <japtol> ok thx
[00:08] <japtol> "You must also specify the file extension being used including
[00:08] <japtol> ; the dot. PHP's default behavior is to leave these settings empty.
[00:08] <japtol> ; Note: Never use this feature for production boxes.
[00:08] <japtol> "
[00:08] <japtol> only thing i ge
[00:08] <japtol> get*
[00:08] <japtol> i also get
[00:08] <japtol> ; Directory in which the loadable extensions (modules) reside.
[00:08] <japtol> ; http://php.net/extension-dir
[00:08] <japtol> ; extension_dir = "./"
[00:08] <japtol> ; On windows:
[00:08] <japtol> ; extension_dir = "ext"
[00:09] <coalwater> well, just try it, it wont hurt, u can always just delete it if it doesn't work
[00:09] <japtol> try it as in
[00:09] <japtol> just put it on the top
[00:09] <coalwater> i'd prefer the bottom, cause im not sure if it dependso n something that needs to be done first
[00:10] <japtol> ok
[00:10] <MrChrisDruif> japtol: if possible, use http://paste.ubuntu.com next time :)
[00:10] <japtol> is there  a way i can go to the bottom w/o scrolling
[00:10] <japtol> @mrchris will do
[00:10] <coalwater> ctrl+end maybe
[00:10] <japtol> oh wait
[00:10] <japtol> coal
[00:10] <japtol> i just spotted the extensions
[00:11] <japtol> :)
[00:11] <japtol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/598467/
[00:11] <japtol> put it there?
[00:11] <MrChrisDruif> Good going japtol :)
[00:12] <coalwater> notice the semi colon is like a comment, so those aren't really enabled
[00:12] <coalwater> put ur line without the semi colon
[00:12] <japtol> got it
[00:12] <coalwater> then restart apache2
[00:12] <japtol> now how do i save it
[00:13] <coalwater> either ctrl+O or ctrl+x and choose yes to save
[00:13] <japtol> sweet
[00:13] <japtol> thx
[00:14] <coalwater> sudo service apache2 restart
[00:15] <japtol> hold on
[00:15] <japtol> damn i lost the code to get back into php.ini
[00:15] <japtol> i think it was
[00:15] <japtol> etc/something..
[00:17] <japtol> nvm got it
[00:18] <coalwater> lol, u can always press key up in terminal to see ur previous commands
[00:18] <japtol> yea
[00:18] <japtol> i did sudo service apache2 restart
[00:18] <japtol> and it says command not found
[00:18] <kristian-livecd_> hurm, could noise from a box be something software related?
[00:19] <coalwater> japtol:  hold on a sec
[00:20] <coalwater> japtol:  try  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[00:20] <coalwater> kristian-livecd_:  what kind of noise?
[00:21] <japtol> kk
[00:21] <kristian-livecd_> hi coalwater
[00:22] <kristian-livecd_> a constant humming
[00:22] <coalwater> hi there
[00:22] <coalwater> no, u mean like a fan noise?
[00:22] <japtol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/598474/
[00:22] <japtol> thats wut i get
[00:22] <japtol> i may have forgotten to stop apachectl or something
[00:23] <linh> coalwater, hi, this is kristian
[00:23] <japtol> ok
[00:23] <japtol> i restarted web browser
[00:23] <linh> sorry, I'm a bit confused... sitting with two keyboards atm
[00:23] <coalwater> japtol: i dont know what's that but no, restart stops then restarts
[00:24] <linh> coalwater, did I miss a reply from you?
[00:24] <coalwater> linh: don't think so, i just asked if the humming was like a fan noise
[00:24] <linh> yes, I guess it's the fan... which I already cleaned
[00:26] <coalwater> about the software reasons, well in an indirect way i think i could say yes, like if you're playing a game then the processor heats up so the fans speeds up so the humming sound goes louder, but its not because of the game it self, its because the fan needed to spin faster, know what i mean ?
[00:27] <linh> yes
[00:27] <linh> I just killed chromium (on YT)... that took the worst of it
[00:30] <japtol> hey coal
[00:30] <japtol> when i enter the conf file
[00:30] <japtol> -- sudo nano /usr/local/apache2/conf
[00:30] <coalwater> adobe needs to work on fixing the hw acceleration on flash for linux, watching youtube takes like 50% of my processor
[00:30] <japtol> im led into a blank room
[00:30] <japtol> is that right
[00:31] <coalwater> japtol: the file either doesn't exist or is empty
[00:31] <japtol> ok
[00:31] <coalwater> japtol: i think its conf.d maybe
[00:31] <japtol> the instructions want me to add
[00:31] <japtol> like 10 lines to this file
[00:31] <japtol> so im gessing it shud be empty..
[00:31] <japtol> i dunno
[00:31] <coalwater> try to list the files in the direcotory before doing the nano
[00:32] <coalwater> nano doesn't tell u any kind of warnings that the file isn't there
[00:32] <japtol> how do i do that
[00:32] <coalwater> cd /usr/local/apache2/
[00:32] <coalwater> then ls
[00:32] <japtol> ok
[00:32] <coalwater> or just ls /usr/local/apache2
[00:33] <japtol> bin  build  cgi-bin  conf  error  htdocs  icons  include  lib  logs  man  manual  modules
[00:33] <japtol> thats the message i get
[00:34] <coalwater> ok well its there then, im not that good with apache configs , if whatever ur reading from is telling u that then i guess they know better than i do lol
[00:35] <japtol> alright
[00:37] <japtol> hmm
[00:37] <japtol> im trying to exit out of conf
[00:37] <japtol> ctrl X
[00:37] <japtol> and save
[00:38] <coalwater> it doesnt let u ?
[00:38] <japtol> i type ctrl x
[00:38] <japtol> just makes me save it
[00:38] <japtol> doesnt redirect me back to the main
[00:39] <coalwater> how come, x means exit, x should make u exit
[00:40] <japtol> ack it worked this time
[00:40] <japtol> lol
[00:41] <tazyo_>  hi all
[00:41] <japtol> @coal, so now it wants me to test it
[00:41] <japtol> with this code /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl start
[00:41] <japtol> i enter it and it gives me that messaage
[00:41] <japtol> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
[00:41] <japtol> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[00:41] <japtol> Unable to open logs
[00:42] <coalwater> ur having some weird problem with apache
[00:42] <coalwater> wait , ur using xamp ?
[00:42] <japtol> dunt think so
[00:43] <coalwater> i had that same exact problem on my windows and i never found a way to fix it, just gave up on using a server on my windows lol
[00:44] <japtol> so can i just skip this step
[00:45] <coalwater> idk, i think it's saying that it  can't start apache.. can u open localhost?
[00:45] <coalwater> on ur browser
[00:46] <japtol> let me try
[00:47] <japtol> yea
[00:47] <japtol> i opened it
[00:47] <japtol> nothing showing up tho
[00:48] <coalwater> ok, put some random index.html on ur /var/www and write any thing in it, like test or hello
[00:48] <japtol> btw, im doing this on a VPS
[00:48] <japtol> not my own computer
[00:49] <japtol> isnt localhost
[00:49] <coalwater> o
[00:49] <japtol> for ur own comp
[00:49] <coalwater> yea
[00:50] <coalwater> idk, i think u should wait for someone who knows better than me lol
[00:51] <japtol> can i just skip it
[00:51] <japtol> cuz its just a test
[00:51] <japtol> the tutorial tells me to use that code to test something
[00:51] <coalwater> im not sure
[00:56] <tazyo_> does anyone has a little time for me?
[00:56] <seidos> tazyo_: just ask your question, and you will find out soon enough
[00:58] <tazyo_> got a freshly installed ubuntu netbook (from website) and it has no usable sidebar or panel.. it's transparent and i can hardly firuge out which button to click on etc.
[00:58] <seidos> tazyo_: you bought a netbook with ubuntu preinstalled?
[00:59] <tazyo_> the netbook was not installed with any os's
[01:00] <seidos> tazyo_: i'm not sure, i don't use unr.  i can help search the web with you though.
[01:00] <coalwater> maybe unity doesn't start properly or something?
[01:00] <seidos> tazyo_: it's 11.04?
[01:00] <tazyo_> Linux Sat-Elite 2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:00:26 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:01] <seidos> hmmm, okay that's 10.10
[01:01] <seidos> tazyo_: this link?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1211246
[01:02] <seidos> you could try restarting the panels.
[01:02] <seidos> !panels
[01:02] <ubot2> To reset the GNOME panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[01:03] <seidos> tazyo_: i'm shooting in the dark, i don't have a netbook
[01:04] <coalwater> i think if u just type unity on the terminal it should start something
[01:04] <coalwater> just like gnome-panel
[01:05] <tazyo_> no process found
[01:05] <tazyo_> :/
[01:05] <seidos> ah, yeah, according to http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook unr does use unity
[01:05] <coalwater> well then i don't know what it's called then in the netbook edition
[01:06] <coalwater> maybe try installing unity
[01:07] <seidos> tazyo_: here's another link to read, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1579368
[01:07] <coalwater> the maverick's unity is missing a lot of the changes that are in natty, i'd prefer waiting for natty, though im not so excited about unity being the default
[01:08] <jpastore> does anyone know how to enable second ATI video card?
[01:09] <tazyo_> i've tried to re-install gnome, and got this : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:09] <tazyo_>  gnome : Depends: swfdec-mozilla but it is not going to be installed
[01:10] <coalwater> does running gnome-panel --replace start any thing
[01:12] <seidos> tazyo_: do the panels ever show up?  or are they always missing?
[01:12] <tazyo_> sometimes for a glance
[01:12] <seidos> tazyo_: perhaps this is your bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/581565
[01:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 581565 in gnome-panel "Netbook remix panel disappears regularly" [Low,New]
[01:14] <seidos> tazyo_: did you install GnomeDo?
[01:14] <tazyo_> it's invisible not only when i close some windows..
[01:14] <tazyo_> didn't
[01:14] <tazyo_> should have?
[01:14] <seidos> no
[01:15] <seidos> may cause a conflict according to that bug report
[01:16] <tazyo_> I was experiencing the same issue, and disabling Metacity's compositing manager (via gconf-editor) fixed''
[01:16] <japtol> hey coal
[01:16] <tazyo_> copied from that bug thread
[01:17] <japtol> how do i create a php file in this terminal?
[01:17] <japtol> i need to put a php file with the code <?php phpinfo(); ?> into /var/www
[01:17] <coalwater> japtol:  just nano and save
[01:18] <japtol> is there a code
[01:18] <japtol> for creating the php file
[01:18] <coalwater> no, just name it that
[01:18] <japtol> so
[01:18] <seidos> tazyo_: yeah, i don't think that is your problem...did you read the forum links?  may give you a hint
[01:18] <japtol> nano  <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[01:18] <coalwater> like name it index.php
[01:18] <japtol> in the main
[01:18] <coalwater> no no,
[01:18] <coalwater> nano /var/www/index.php
[01:19] <japtol> ok
[01:19] <japtol> s
[01:19] <japtol> then
[01:19] <japtol> i go into that php
[01:19] <japtol> and add the code
[01:19] <coalwater> yes
[01:19] <japtol> sweet
[01:19] <tazyo_> seidos: i'm at the 2nd
[01:20] <seidos> tazyo_: did you try this:  "system/admin/
[01:20] <seidos> login screen and see what session is selected as default, if the netbook desktop is installed it should
[01:20] <seidos> appear on the list...., choose it and reboot, see what you get..."
[01:20] <japtol> ok now
[01:20] <japtol> im on step 7
[01:20] <japtol> it says start memcache
[01:21] <japtol> memcached -d -m XXX -s /var/run/memcached.sock -a 0777 -t16 -C -u root
[01:21] <japtol> xxx= megabytes of ram. We used 512 for the -m XXX bit.
[01:21] <japtol> do i replace the XXX with 512
[01:21] <japtol> memcached -d -m 512 -s /var/run/memcached.sock -a 0777 -t16 -C -u root
[01:23] <tazyo_> seidos: i can't figure out where to find that with invisible desktop...
[01:23] <ryan> Hello everyone
[01:23] <japtol> u there coal?
[01:24] <coalwater> japtol:  i don't know, but probably yes, haven't messed with this mem cache before
[01:24] <coalwater> ryan: hello
[01:25] <ryan> Is it cool to ask a couple of simple newbie questions here... I'm trying to learn about the package manager and how to install shiz from the net
[01:26] <japtol> Coalwater: im trying to do this
[01:26] <japtol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/598496/
[01:26] <japtol> but it gives me an error message
[01:26] <seidos> tazyo_: try running gdmsetup from alt-f2 or terminal
[01:26] <japtol> when i type mysql -u root -p < /var/www/gazelle.sql
[01:28] <coalwater> japtol: did u extract the file?
[01:28] <coalwater> ryan: u mean like installing from tarballs?
[01:28] <japtol> no, i though tthat code extracts it
[01:28] <japtol> do i have to do something seperate
[01:29] <coalwater> japtol:  nope, it said u need to do the extraction first
[01:29] <japtol> ok
[01:29] <japtol> i wish it gave me the code for extracting gazelle.sql
[01:30] <japtol> so im downloading gazelle now
[01:30] <japtol> the tar.gz file
[01:30] <coalwater> ok
[01:30] <coalwater> ok
[01:31] <japtol> ok i seel a gazelle.sql file
[01:31] <japtol> in the winrar
[01:31] <japtol> do i need to upload this to the VPS server or something
[01:31] <jrmy> can i ask questions about xubuntu as well here?
[01:32] <coalwater> japtol: i think it was tar -xgvf gazelle.tar.gz
[01:32] <japtol> yep
[01:32] <coalwater> ok no
[01:32] <coalwater> its xzvf
[01:32] <japtol> xzvf
[01:32] <coalwater> without uploading, let the vps download it it self
[01:32] <tazyo_> seidos: i'm now at reboot, thx 4 ethg.. if it's still bad, i'll come back.
[01:32] <coalwater> wget
[01:33] <japtol> so like
[01:33] <seidos> tazyo_: may the source be with you
[01:33] <japtol> apt-get install gazellefile
[01:33] <coalwater> nope
[01:33] <coalwater> you have the url right ?
[01:33] <japtol> http://what.cd/gazelle/releases/gazelle-r11397.tar.gz
[01:33] <japtol> yup
[01:34] <coalwater> wget -O gazelle.tar.gz http://what.cd/gazelle/releases/gazelle-r11397.tar.gz
[01:34] <jrmy> is this strictly for the gnome desktop of ubuntu or others as well?
[01:34] <coalwater> jrmy:  what's "this"
[01:34] <japtol> does this go into the /var/www ?
[01:35] <coalwater> japtol:  goes into where ever ur in right now
[01:35] <coalwater> if ur in /var/www then yea
[01:35] <japtol> ok
[01:35] <japtol> im in that
[01:35] <japtol> nice
[01:35] <coalwater> jrmy:  u mean this channel?
[01:35] <japtol> its done
[01:35] <jrmy> coalwater: this = #ubuntu-beginners
[01:36] <jrmy> so yes this channel
[01:37] <coalwater> maybe this might help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/
[01:37] <jrmy> what was just explained the ability to let your computer install a file from a compressed file or somethin?
[01:37] <japtol> ok coal
[01:37] <japtol> i installed it
[01:38] <japtol> then typed in mysql -u root -p < /var/www/gazelle.sql
[01:38] <japtol> and it says no such file or directory
[01:38] <japtol> weird..
[01:38] <coalwater> japtol:  did u extract?
[01:39] <japtol> yep
[01:39] <japtol> i did  wget -O gazelle.tar.gz http://what.cd/gazelle/releases/gazelle-r11397.tar.gz in /var/www
[01:39] <coalwater> then did u do the tar -xzf ?
[01:40] <japtol> no
[01:40] <coalwater> jrmy: im not sure which part u mean but it was answering a question
[01:40] <coalwater> from someone else
[01:40] <japtol> hmm
[01:40] <japtol> is that another file
[01:40] <coalwater> japtol:  tar -xzf gazelle.tar.gz
[01:41] <japtol> just type that
[01:41] <japtol> nothing happens
[01:41] <coalwater> ok good
[01:41] <coalwater> because we didn't put v
[01:41] <coalwater> type 'ls'
[01:41] <coalwater> do u see the sql file
[01:41] <japtol> gazelle.tar.gz  index.html  index.php  release
[01:41] <japtol> thats what i get
[01:42] <japtol> when i type ls
[01:42] <coalwater> ok sorry but try to extract with a v to see where the sql  goes
[01:43] <coalwater> -xzvf
[01:43] <coalwater> it should show u the path of the extracted files
[01:43] <japtol> k
[01:43] <japtol>  ok
[01:43] <japtol> i got a huge list
[01:44] <japtol> now i type ls
[01:44] <japtol> and i still get the same thing
[01:44] <coalwater> try ls -o or -a
[01:45] <japtol> same thing
[01:45] <coalwater> ok i have an idea
[01:45] <coalwater> try find -name *.sql
[01:45] <japtol> i typed that
[01:46] <japtol> says command not found
[01:46] <coalwater>  no find?
[01:46] <japtol> vps:/var/www# -name *.sql
[01:46] <japtol> -bash: -name: command not found
[01:46] <coalwater> use find
[01:46] <coalwater> find
[01:46] <coalwater> find -name *.sql
[01:46] <japtol> ah got it
[01:46] <japtol> yerah
[01:46] <japtol> i see a gazelle.sql
[01:46] <japtol> its under /release/
[01:46] <coalwater> where
[01:47] <japtol> ./release/gazelle.sql
[01:47] <coalwater> ok then u either update the sql command and add /release/ or move the gazelle.sql one step up
[01:47] <coalwater> mv release/gazelle.sql ./
[01:48] <japtol> i typed that
[01:48] <japtol> nothing happens, i guess it worked
[01:48] <coalwater> do ls
[01:48] <japtol> its in there!
[01:49] <japtol> now i did
[01:49] <japtol>  -u root -p < /var/www/gazelle.sql
[01:49] <japtol> and it wants a password
[01:49] <coalwater> yea, ur mysql password
[01:49] <japtol> ok
[01:49] <japtol> i entered it
[01:49] <japtol> and nothing happened
[01:50] <coalwater> ok maybe it worked lol
[01:50] <japtol> nice
[01:50] <japtol> damn u r so helpful
[01:50] <coalwater> just make sure it did work lol
[01:51] <japtol> it did
[01:51] <japtol> cuz i reentered my pass
[01:51] <japtol> and it said
[01:51] <japtol> table/database already exists
[01:53] <coalwater> ok then w/e that table is for go test it lol
[01:53] <coalwater> database*
[01:57] <coalwater> japtol:  by the way, ull be still inside mysql, to leave mysql u need to type 'bye' i think
[01:57] <coalwater> or exit
[01:57] <coalwater> dont remember
[02:00] <Average_Guy> how do i get rid of the gnome panels completely and if it sucks, how do I get it back?
[02:00] <Average_Guy> playing with cairo-dock...
[02:01] <coalwater> u mean remove it from start up ?
[02:01] <japtol> ok thx coal
[02:01] <japtol> im gonna go eat dinner
[02:01] <japtol> so hungry
[02:02] <coalwater> japtol:  dont i get some free food for any thing lol jk
[02:03] <coalwater> Average_Guy: you could mess with that in the gconf-editor but don't mess too much
[02:03] <seidos> Average_Guy: well, here's a work around.  you could delete the panels, then restore them from default.  i'm not sure how to kill the process during a session
[02:03] <seidos> this is probably terrible advice though
[02:03] <seidos> there should be a way to stop the process
[02:04] <coalwater> i cant tell u the exact path right now cause i'm on windows, but it's something related to gnome / session
[02:09] <Average_Guy> sorry what was that. pidigin spontaneously died.. something about a work around.  you know, when there are multiple panels you can rightclick and delete-panel. I wanna know how to get rid of the last one and just have my dock. and if it sucks I wanna know how to get the panels back so I can dump the dock
[02:12] <coalwater> Average_Guy: u want it to do that just in this session , or do u want to save it for a couple of days?
[02:13] <Average_Guy> hopefully permanantly. but wanna kno how to reverse it also
[02:13] <Average_Guy> just in case
[02:14] <Average_Guy> still don't have the dock dialed in
[02:15] <coalwater> look, i know that the setting it self is somewhere in the gconf-editor, somewhere in the sessions, ull find gnome-panel somewhere
[02:15] <coalwater> if u remove it it will prevent it from starting
[02:16] <coalwater> and just putting it back will make things come back to normal
[02:17] <Average_Guy> how do I remove it? when I right-click the bottom panel, there is no remove panel option
[02:17] <Average_Guy> and if there was i wouldn't know what to click on to get it back once it was gone
[02:19] <coalwater> actually what i meant is like alt+f2 then gconf-editor
[02:20] <Average_Guy> oh
[02:20] <Average_Guy> wow
[02:20] <Average_Guy> never seen that
[02:23] <coalwater> inside session or something ull find default panel or default something then it says gnome-panel
[02:23] <Average_Guy> searching
[02:27] <coalwater> hold on i think i found it, 1 sec
[02:27] <Average_Guy> apps/panel/?
[02:27] <coalwater> desktop -> gnome -> session -> required_components -> panel
[02:28] <coalwater> if ur using these cairo dock as a main panel  u could put it's process name in there instead of gnome-panel
[02:28] <Average_Guy> ok
[02:29] <Average_Guy> and just put gnome-panel back to restore it?
[02:29] <coalwater> yes
[02:29] <coalwater> just remember the path
[02:31] <Average_Guy> you ubuntu guys rock! I actually using Mint (only distro i can get to work on my machine :( Long story) but there forums and irc doesn't help at all. Is always here that I find help. thank you
[02:32] <Average_Guy> (writing down path)
[02:33] <coalwater> if u cant start the alt+f2 thing cause i think its a gnome-panel thing u can also type gconf-editor in terminal
[02:33] <jrmy> who would i report a broken link on the ubuntu beginners website?
[02:33] <jrmy> to*
[02:34] <coalwater> idk, maybe the wiki team
[02:34] <Eiriksvin> how can i download and install the newest version of ubuntu?
[02:34] <coalwater> ubuntu.com
[02:34] <Eiriksvin> do they give installation instructions for complete noobs?
[02:35] <jrmy> i believe so
[02:35] <Eiriksvin> thanks im looking now
[02:35] <coalwater> if it's ur first time u could install it safely under windows
[02:35] <jrmy> back when i got xubuntu the instructions were simple enough
[02:36] <coalwater> actually u dont need instructions at all, just give it a drive and let it do its work lol
[02:36] <Eiriksvin> yes it is... i have ubuntu on this system, can i simply over write it... something went bad when i updated it
[02:37] <jrmy> you can always fix it
[02:37] <coalwater> yes u can , but what kind of bad thing
[02:38] <Eiriksvin> nothing in wine works, the newer kernel is gone so I have to boot an older one, and when i do it throws up a hundred and one errors...
[02:38] <jrmy> oh and im not a complete noob, but ive used windows all of my life and theres still some things i'll have questions with
[02:39] <jrmy> sounds like a harder thing to do..
[02:39] <Eiriksvin> then the screen gos black and poof ubuntu pops on
[02:39] <jrmy> i'd want to reinstall as well lol
[02:40] <coalwater> lol
[02:40] <jrmy> maybe even hardware errors?
[02:40] <Eiriksvin> also I cant get it to recognize my usb wifi adapter
[02:40] <jrmy> what kind of computer do you have?
[02:41] <coalwater> check the forums, wifi problems is kinda common, there's a thread somewhere to help people with that
[02:44] <Eiriksvin> i have tried a bunch of them, and only 1 said he got his to work (netgear rangemax wpn111 wifi adapter), but i cant get windows stand alone wifi package to run off the disk
[02:44] <Eiriksvin> my comp is a compaq presario
[02:44] <Eiriksvin> it was free
[02:44] <Eiriksvin> free is good
[02:45] <jrmy> how old?
[02:45] <Eiriksvin> i even had my wifi adapter given to me:)
[02:45] <jrmy> i had a presario once
[02:46] <Eiriksvin> i have no idea how old it is
[02:46] <jrmy> i foudn my computer next to a the road to be thrown out
[02:46] <Eiriksvin> heh awesome
[02:46] <coalwater> lol wish people around here did that
[02:46] <jrmy> any idea on the processor then or ram amount?
[02:47] <jrmy> an old computer is probably always being given away or thrown out, just have to have good timing and luck i suppose
[02:47] <Eiriksvin> mine was sitting on the floor under a bird cage coverd with dust and peanut shells, i grabed it up, cleaned it up, and even used an air compresser to blow all the dust out of it
[02:48] <Eiriksvin> hmm it says
[02:48] <jrmy> heh
[02:48] <coalwater> if u're on ububtu u could do "lshw" in terminal
[02:49] <Eiriksvin> amd sempron oh, theres a model on the box...   SR1910NX
[02:49] <Eiriksvin> how do I find out when it was made?
[02:49] <Eiriksvin> oh.. im on windows cus my internet comes from my apt building
[02:50] <coalwater> try cmd
[02:50] <coalwater> then systeminfo in cmd
[02:50] <jrmy> lshw works for xubuntu
[02:50] <coalwater> dunno if that does it orn oto
[02:50] <coalwater> well somehow it works on my ubuntu too
[02:50] <Eiriksvin> its wifi, and wifi only works on windows cus of my adapter issues
[02:51] <jrmy> it must be because of the kernel version
[02:51] <jrmy> all of the untu's are of ubuntu in some way right?
[02:51] <jrmy> or whatever you'd want to call them
[02:51] <coalwater> i believe so
[02:52] <Eiriksvin> can i do that systeminfo in the Run program?
[02:52] <coalwater> ubuntu edubuntu xubuntu
[02:52] <jrmy> shouldnt it also work in other linux distros?
[02:52] <jrmy> arent these commands ran without the need of the gui first?
[02:52] <coalwater> Eiriksvin:  yes u can but if u do it like that it will disappear as soon as its done, that's why u either need to output it on a file or type cmd in the run program first
[02:53] <jrmy> lshw shows alot of info though.. lol
[02:53] <Eiriksvin> ok
[02:53] <jrmy> l means long right?
[02:53] <coalwater> yes, it has a nice html output prameter
[02:53] <Eiriksvin> omg cmd.exe was not found... damn windows viruses
[02:54] <coalwater> lol
[02:54] <coalwater> that's not good
[02:54] <jrmy> lol
[02:54] <Eiriksvin> when i turned it on there were a shytload of viri on it
[02:54] <jrmy> definitely need that fixed
[02:55] <coalwater> im tired
[02:55]  * coalwater yawns
[02:55] <Eiriksvin> im worried about doing a system restore becuase i have a paid for Norton 360... and that was the last instal
[02:56] <jrmy> dunno what to say about that then
[02:56] <coalwater> well that norton isnt doin its job
[02:56] <jrmy> rather ironic
[02:56]  * Eiriksvin yawns.. then says "durn it thats contagious"
[02:56] <coalwater> its 4 am here
[02:57] <seidos> i say reformat, reinstall
[02:57] <jrmy> ah.. im in the eastern time zone
[02:57] <jrmy> 3rd step be more careful
[02:57] <jrmy> lol
[02:57] <seidos> could try backing up data with a live cd/usb first :)
[02:57] <coalwater> migrate to ubuntu! lol jk
[02:58] <Eiriksvin> heh, yeah i got a free computer, but also inherited a crap mountain of problems
[02:58] <jrmy> i had to reinstall windows when i got mine.. it had viruses and spyware
[02:58] <jrmy> which was no prob cause i happen to have an upgrade cd
[02:59] <jrmy> well i did
[02:59] <Eiriksvin> see, thats my plan... get ubuntu working and only use windows if i absolutely have to
[02:59] <jrmy> my use for windows is games
[02:59] <seidos> i find i never need windows
[03:00] <jrmy> it appears that eventually there will be more games for linux as well though
[03:00] <jrmy> there are at least 2 games that are good for linux that ive played
[03:00] <Eiriksvin> can you play dungeons and dragons online with Ubuntu?
[03:00] <jrmy> no idea..
[03:00] <coalwater> u could always stuff like wine and play on liinux , they are getting better
[03:01] <jrmy> those are good to use too.. not always for old games but yeah
[03:02] <Eiriksvin> oh yeah, i installed it with success (better than 3 failed windows attempts) but when i ran it... nothing
[03:02] <jrmy> why woudl you try wine or play on linux with windows?
[03:02] <jrmy> or did i misunderstand you
[03:03] <Eiriksvin> cus my windows cant install it ^
[03:03] <coalwater> i meant with ubuntu
[03:03] <jrmy> seeing as both of those are linux programs
[03:03] <Eiriksvin> ?
[03:03] <coalwater> u said only use of windows is games, so why not move the games to linux and remove that only reason
[03:04] <jrmy> which are meant to be used to play windows games on a linux distro
[03:04] <coalwater> hold on, am i missing something lol
[03:04] <jrmy> though wine can handle others besides games.. like something as simple as note pad
[03:04] <coalwater> wish wine can run IE properly
[03:05] <jrmy> why?
[03:05] <coalwater> so i dont need to go to a windows computer to test my css
[03:05] <jrmy> IE < firefox
[03:05]  * coalwater <= web developer
[03:05] <jrmy> good to mention
[03:05] <jrmy> lol css means counter strike source in my language xD
[03:06] <coalwater> lol
[03:06] <Eiriksvin> so WOW runs on good on wine?
[03:06] <coalwater> ok well i meant the other css
[03:06] <coalwater> check the wine list
[03:06] <jrmy> dunno.. there is a website for wine and it shows what games run well on certain distros
[03:06] <japtol> hey coal
[03:06] <coalwater> they have a list for things that do and dont work
[03:06] <coalwater> japtol: hey
[03:06] <japtol> im on step 9 now
[03:06] <Eiriksvin> imma dogpile it
[03:06] <japtol> i need to put sphinx.conf in /usr/local/sphinx-1.10
[03:06] <coalwater> japtol: how was the dinner lol
[03:06] <jrmy> i wonder if maverick will work on my pc now
[03:07] <japtol> it was good, i made soy sesame chicken
[03:07] <jrmy> Eiriksvin: dogpile?
[03:07] <coalwater> natty should come in less than a week
[03:08] <Eiriksvin> yeah, i hate google so i use dogpile.com it searches multiple search engines, just like webcrawler.com
[03:08] <jrmy> btw do any of you live in MI, US?
[03:08] <Eiriksvin> me
[03:08] <japtol> do i do
[03:08] <jrmy> oh cool
[03:08] <japtol> something like
[03:08] <jrmy> on both
[03:08] <japtol> mv sphinx.conf /usr/local/sphinx-1.10
[03:08] <jrmy> never heard of dogpile though
[03:08] <Eiriksvin> Im from Muskegon MI
[03:08] <coalwater> japtol:  i hope that did an error
[03:08] <jrmy> been there once to go to the themepark
[03:09] <japtol> lol
[03:09] <linh> I was born in Saginaw, Michigan
[03:09] <jrmy> i live in lansing
[03:09] <japtol> im looking for the code
[03:09] <linh> not really... nice song
[03:09] <Eiriksvin> yeah Michigan Adventures
[03:09] <japtol> in google
[03:09] <japtol> for moving files into directories
[03:09] <jrmy> oh yeah, thats the name
[03:09] <coalwater> japtol:  what are u trying to do, move the conf to direcotry called xphinx-1.10 ?
[03:09] <jrmy> i'll have to revisit sometime
[03:09] <japtol> yeah
[03:09] <japtol> thats what the instruction is tellin gme to do
[03:10] <coalwater> ok well u just need to add a last slash
[03:10] <coalwater> mv sphinx.conf /usr/local/sphinx-1.10/
[03:10] <japtol> cool
[03:10] <jrmy> im yet to meet someone from my area on irc, heh
[03:10] <Eiriksvin> yeah Michigan Adventures got a bunch of new rides over the years... and the water park got bigger
[03:10] <jrmy> well as in city
[03:10] <jrmy> sweet
[03:10] <coalwater> i dont think ill get to see any body from my country
[03:11] <jrmy> Eiriksvin: whats the admission for adults?
[03:11] <jrmy> coalwater: where do you live?
[03:11] <japtol> coal
[03:11] <Eiriksvin> coalwater: uh missed it
[03:11] <coalwater> egypt
[03:11] <japtol> it says no such directory
[03:11] <Eiriksvin> heh he beat me to it
[03:11] <coalwater> ok then u need to make one then
[03:12] <jrmy> egypt really?
[03:12] <jrmy> neat
[03:12] <coalwater> mkdir /usr/local/sphinx-1.10
[03:12] <japtol> thx
[03:13] <coalwater> wine's app list http://appdb.winehq.org/
[03:13] <jrmy> oh.. lol i thought i only had 128MB of ram lol i have 1 256 stick
[03:14] <Eiriksvin> wow, thats awesome... coalwater: whens the revolution... again?
[03:14] <coalwater> hahah
[03:14] <japtol> hmm coal
[03:14] <japtol> i think its the file sphinx.conf that doesnt exist
[03:14] <japtol> cuz the directory says it exists
[03:14] <Eiriksvin> or is the military really gonna back out
[03:15] <Eiriksvin> did u go to the square?
[03:15] <coalwater> they'll setting new laws or dunno what's the right word is, then start new elections
[03:15] <coalwater> yea once lol
[03:15] <jrmy> whats the command to see what i have for video memory?
[03:16] <Eiriksvin> yeah, i actually saw that stuff on tv and internet
[03:16] <jrmy> essentially display my video controller info
[03:16] <coalwater> brb heating some food
[03:17] <Eiriksvin> believe it or not... the US population is to submissive to create a revolution if the government gets too big
[03:17] <Eiriksvin> oh... wait thats already happenend
[03:18] <jrmy> lshw shows my video contropller but doesnt tell me the vram amount
[03:18] <jrmy> is that why the people do nothing in a nut shell?
[03:19] <Eiriksvin> I love being an American, but i dont like how the rich are controlling our country... drug companies, oil, and u name it
[03:19] <jrmy> yeah same
[03:20] <jrmy> i miss the whole "we the people" thing
[03:20] <Eiriksvin> yes, as storng as we can be... we are weak
[03:20] <Eiriksvin> strong
[03:20] <Eiriksvin> ABSOLUTELY
[03:21] <Eiriksvin> our country is "suppossed" to be for the people, by the people.... well maybe at one time it was... idk
[03:21] <coalwater> im more concerned about our neighbor lybia, that crazy guy is killing his people
[03:22] <Eiriksvin> yeah, he needs to be plugged
[03:22] <jrmy> i guess we need some great americans again like in the old days to make any real change
[03:22] <jrmy> ones that arent afraid to make sacrifice and die for his friends
[03:23] <Eiriksvin> our problem is that change comes from nessecity, we have very little needs
[03:23] <jrmy> eh, idk about you but i have many needs being on the lower end of wealth
[03:24] <Eiriksvin> yeah me to
[03:24] <jrmy> ive got a little more drive.. but im discouraged because things are much harder
[03:24] <coalwater> well we have people in the lower end of the lower end, maybe u need some people to reach that first lol
[03:24] <jrmy> i also have no sense of community or bretheren
[03:25] <jrmy> im an alien in my city.. or at least i feel this way
[03:25] <Eiriksvin> I live in a 2 bedroom apartment in downtown muskegon, the most amount of money i have ever had in my hand is $1,568.00 and i felt rich
[03:25] <coalwater> ur a part of the ubuntu family though ;) lol
[03:26] <jrmy> well yeah.. this is true coalwater
[03:26] <jrmy> lol the linux community overthrowing the US government
[03:26] <Eiriksvin> Im 29 years old, and i did 9yrs7mos and a few days in prison... i felt more respected in there than i have ever felt in the free world
[03:26] <jrmy> funny hypothetical
[03:27] <jrmy> well never been in prision but i know what it feels liek to be homeless
[03:27] <Eiriksvin> nobody cares about their neighbors, my family gets 2gether on holidays and deaths, and thats about it
[03:27] <jrmy> and thats the first problem
[03:28] <jrmy> no "we the people" if "we" dont even know each other
[03:29] <jrmy> were liek ants.. and our government are like some other predator bug.. and were all scattered
[03:29] <jrmy> useless
[03:29] <Eiriksvin> its funny, my faith is not christian... which leads people to wonder why i do the things i do.... like actually help people, and care about the homeless woman that often sleeps in my apt buildings service cubby
[03:30] <jrmy> well completely understandable.. seeing as christian people are suppose to be kind liek that
[03:31] <Eiriksvin> we have driven her to the hospital, and given her food, and the mission wont do anything to help her cus shes insane
[03:31] <jrmy> sad...
[03:31] <jrmy> ironic
[03:31] <Eiriksvin> yeah, but they go to church on sundays...
[03:31] <Eiriksvin> every other day of the week can be vile i guess
[03:31] <jrmy> who?
[03:32] <Eiriksvin> christians
[03:32] <jrmy> who said all christians gattend church every sunday?
[03:32] <jrmy> lol
[03:32] <Eiriksvin> REAL ones are good... but most of those live comfortable lives though
[03:33] <jrmy> suppose
[03:33] <jrmy> it does seem to make sense.. but then again.. most of these people help those that need help
[03:33] <jrmy> so not necessarily will be living as you say a comfortable life
[03:34] <jrmy> thought sure they might always have peace
[03:34] <coalwater> guys we could head to the #ubuntu-beginners-team cause its off-topic , and this one is logged though the other isn't, or i think it isnt lol
[03:34] <jrmy> but too complicated nor am i gonna discuss christianity here
[03:35] <Eiriksvin> oh, yeah... sorry
[03:35] <coalwater> u might scare poor noobies away :D
[03:35] <coalwater> lol
[03:35] <jrmy> its probably ok.. its not liek we caused any problems.. i think
[03:36] <jrmy> its rare i can get good conversation on irc though
[03:36] <Eiriksvin> well im not trying to dis any christians here or anywhere... so no offense
[03:36] <coalwater> i know, but dont want our depressing talk appear in the logs :D jk
[03:36] <jrmy> lol
[03:36] <jrmy> you didnt offend
[03:37] <coalwater> so, u guys work or still go to college?
[03:37] <jrmy> neither
[03:37] <Eiriksvin> it makes sense... i wouldnt want them to dis me cus im a Heathen:)
[03:37] <jrmy> i do however play in a black folk metal band
[03:37] <jrmy> Eiriksvin: right..
[03:37] <Eiriksvin> well i work... but works spotty
[03:37] <coalwater> didnt think metal people would care about computers, specially linux lol
[03:38] <jrmy> lol. interesting thought
[03:38] <jrmy> no i love electronics
[03:38] <jrmy> video games especially
[03:38] <coalwater> every one loves games
[03:38] <jrmy> linux is pretty cool.. more peopel should give it a try
[03:38] <Eiriksvin> heck, i renovate... pretty much anything.... barns garages kitchens livingrooms
[03:39] <jrmy> not everyoen an enthusiast though
[03:39] <jrmy> everyones*
[03:39] <Eiriksvin> i love computers, video games, heavy metal, and cussing at noobs in Call of Duty
[03:39] <coalwater> it kinda makes me upset how there's no enough time to play all games AND study programming and try to do something useful to some online community lol
[03:40] <jrmy> heh
[03:40] <coalwater> like i wanna do something useful with my launchpad account lol
[03:41] <jrmy> i alsmot know what launchpad is.. but alas still a noob lol
[03:42] <Eiriksvin> launchpad... hmm my guess is that its a platform that launches stuff
[03:42] <Eiriksvin> :)
[03:42] <jrmy> lol
[03:42] <Eiriksvin> heh
[03:43] <coalwater> lol
[03:43] <coalwater> its where all the codes are
[03:43] <coalwater> and bugs
[03:43] <coalwater> where things get fixed and developed
[03:43] <jrmy> well.. thats a little vague
[03:44] <coalwater> ok let me show u an example
[03:44] <Eiriksvin> thats awesome, i would love to work on that kind of stuff...
[03:45] <jrmy> i wanted to learn python so i coudl make games.. but was way to overwhelming
[03:45] <coalwater> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/410288 one of the bugs i hate
[03:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 410288 in gvfs "Nautilus does not handle FTP timeouts well" [Low,Triaged]
[03:45] <coalwater> lol smart lil bot
[03:46] <Eiriksvin> everything takes time... difficulty isnt an issue... time and perserverance are all that is needed... if u want it bad enough...
[03:47] <coalwater> its not a hard issue, just no one wants to solve it lol
[03:47] <Eiriksvin> wow, it picked that up!
[03:47] <Eiriksvin> that is a smart little bot... good bot
[03:48] <coalwater> python basics is easy
[03:48] <coalwater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Academy/IntroToPython these irc logs are amazing
[03:49] <jrmy> ok back
[03:50] <jrmy> hon?
[03:50] <Eiriksvin> hon?
[03:51] <jrmy> oh my gadget was blocking the link
[03:51] <jrmy> nevermind
[03:51] <coalwater> hon ;) lol
[03:51] <jrmy> solo
[03:52] <jrmy> lol
[03:52] <coalwater> he just forgot the private chat prefix
[03:52] <coalwater> jk
[03:52] <jrmy> what now?
[03:53] <Eiriksvin> heh
[03:53] <Eiriksvin> im looking to download ubuntu
[03:53] <jrmy> hard not to do off-topic chat right now
[03:54] <jrmy> and if ubuntu is too slow try xubuntu.. only a few differences
[03:54] <coalwater> any of u to got membership to beginners team ?
[03:54] <jrmy> no this is the first time i heard of this
[03:54] <Eiriksvin> um, the thing is... i have never burned a disk...
[03:54] <jrmy> Eiriksvin: easy
[03:55] <coalwater> any iso program can do it, even nero
[03:55] <jrmy> what version of windows do you have?
[03:55] <coalwater> power iso or something
[03:55] <jrmy> or daemon tools
[03:55] <Eiriksvin> um, win 7
[03:55] <jrmy> or some other stuff
[03:55] <jrmy> you can even burn a disc with a built in win7 program
[03:55] <Eiriksvin> whats it called?
[03:56] <jrmy> theres also imgburn
[03:56] <jrmy> thats my favorite to use on windows
[03:56] <jrmy> its a windows program.. i have no idea i believe you can right click on the disc drive and select burn disc
[03:57] <Eiriksvin> uh crap, brb i gotta take out the trash cus their kitty litter in it... women and their cats
[03:57] <jrmy> or somethin.. idk never used it.. but i believe its in the instructions for burning a copy on the ubuntu website
[03:57] <jrmy> well i used it once..
[03:58] <jrmy> but i got an official disc by mail seeing as i had problems with the desktop after installing
[03:58] <jrmy> i think i found out it was hardware issues
[03:59] <Eiriksvin> ok im back
[03:59] <jrmy> as in the kernel had incompatibility issues
[03:59] <jrmy> wb
[03:59] <Eiriksvin> oh cool, ill look for it
[03:59] <jrmy> yeah you can get a disc for free.. might take a while though
[04:00] <jrmy> not so for xubuntu.. but you can install xubuntu after installing ubuntu
[04:00] <jrmy> and you can even get rid of one or the other after doing so
[04:00] <jrmy> heh.. i'd send you my cd
[04:00] <jrmy> might still have my cd-rw of xubuntu as well
[04:01] <jrmy> you have to buy the disc for xubuntu.. i'd actually do that now..
[04:01] <jrmy> i have a little more money :]
[04:03] <Eiriksvin> oh, i went and bought a pack of cd-rw
[04:03] <jrmy> cool
[04:03] <Eiriksvin> it cut into my rent money, but i will use soda cans to make up for it
[04:03] <coalwater> u could actually install ubuntu or xubunut or w/e thru grub and a wired network connection
[04:03] <coalwater> but i don't know how
[04:03] <jrmy> heh i ended up using my rest for ps1 iso's for emulator seeing as i had little space
[04:04] <jrmy> i believe its pretty hard to install besides disc
[04:04] <coalwater> yea, ull need a working computer to read the tutorials lol
[04:04] <jrmy> a removable drive seems to be the hardest
[04:04] <jrmy> lol
[04:05] <Eiriksvin> do i download the windows installer seperate from the actual ubuntu?
[04:05] <jrmy> been awhile.. pass the link i'll look
[04:06] <Eiriksvin> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[04:06] <coalwater> the iso has every thing bundled
[04:07] <Eiriksvin> um, could i use ps3 to look at the tutorials
[04:07] <coalwater> windows installer i think does an online installation, does the download on windows then restarts and installs under windows, it puts a big file in any windows drive and acts as a drive for the ubuntu
[04:08] <jrmy> also ive never installed ubuntu and windows side by side
[04:09] <jrmy> easy enough to install ubuntu by itsself though.. lol
[04:09] <jrmy> oh and you have a ps3 too eh?
[04:09] <coalwater> one bad side of installing ubunut under windows is if the windows dies and u format ur C then ur ubuntu will die too untill u fix the windows loader or the grub
[04:10] <jrmy> what about doing ubuntu then installing windows afterwards?
[04:10] <jrmy> does that work too?
[04:10] <Eiriksvin> yeah i let a guy live in my livingroom for 7 months if bought me a ps3
[04:11] <Eiriksvin> he did
[04:11] <jrmy> heh.. cool, and im actually playing lbp right now
[04:11] <Eiriksvin> lbp?
[04:11] <jrmy> little big planet
[04:11] <Eiriksvin> u got a ps3?
[04:11] <jrmy> yeah i said "too"
[04:11] <coalwater> jrmy:  im not sure if it works or not but what counts is will the windows loader will take over the grub or not, and if it do will it resepect the presense of ubuntu or not
[04:12] <jrmy> ah
[04:12] <Eiriksvin> write my name down, then add me when psn is up again
[04:12] <coalwater> i prefer doing the windows first
[04:12] <jrmy> i might have a reason to have a dual boot when i buy an hp eny some day
[04:12] <jrmy> anvy*
[04:12] <jrmy> envy* fail
[04:13] <jrmy> well id make more sens to add you if i had call of duty.. i only have 3 games right now
[04:14] <jrmy> i have seen tutorials though on setting up a multiboot
[04:14] <jrmy> rather interesting what you can customize
[04:15] <Eiriksvin> well, i might be able to help u get cod
[04:15] <jrmy> how so?
[04:15] <Eiriksvin> cod4 is $15
[04:15] <Eiriksvin> sos WAW
[04:15] <jrmy> wow.. cod4 is only 15
[04:15] <jrmy> ?
[04:16] <jrmy> i have been wanting to beat that game.. been forever since i played it when i borrowed it back in the day
[04:16] <Eiriksvin> MW2 is only $24 yeah gamestop here sells used games, plus i get 10% off
[04:16] <jrmy> well black ops is really the one i want
[04:16] <Eiriksvin> yeah thats $60
[04:17] <jrmy> but i'll only have liek $10 for awhile for spending money
[04:17] <Eiriksvin> time... give it time
[04:17] <jrmy> i really just want a good game to play again
[04:17] <jrmy> off topic..
[04:17] <jrmy> lol
[04:17] <Eiriksvin> oh, i might be able to give u MAG
[04:18] <jrmy> mag seemed interesting
[04:18] <Eiriksvin> oops
[04:18] <jrmy> yeah its hard..
[04:18] <Eiriksvin> its awesome
[04:18] <holstein>  #ubuntu-beginners-team is off-topic friendly :)
[04:18] <Eiriksvin> sorry holstein
[04:18] <jrmy> yeah sorry
[04:18] <holstein> Eiriksvin: nah, i just got here
[04:18] <holstein> good to see some activity
[04:19] <holstein> but its totally cool over in -team to get OT
[04:19] <jrmy> its hard for me to not talk about video games
[04:19] <Eiriksvin> actually, i do need help getting a new ubuntu to install over top of my old one... its got a hundred and 1 errors
[04:20] <holstein> Eiriksvin: errors?
[04:20] <holstein> thats not good
[04:20] <holstein> you could try checking the filesystem
[04:20] <coalwater> holstein: dont ask, long story :D his ubuntu is angry lol jk
[04:20] <jrmy> lol
[04:20] <holstein> coalwater: i'll say
[04:21] <Eiriksvin> heh
[04:22] <Eiriksvin> its angry, hes right
[04:22] <coalwater> it poofs and goes black
[04:22] <coalwater> lol
[04:22] <Eiriksvin> then poofs and its on
[04:22] <holstein> did you check the filesystem though?
[04:23] <coalwater> u know what, i think i know the right pic that explains this whole thing
[04:23] <Eiriksvin> im a complete noob
[04:23] <jrmy> i'd still check if you had any hardware problems however you could
[04:23] <holstein> Eiriksvin: could be hardware though
[04:23] <jrmy> bad ram, errors on your harddisk
[04:23] <holstein> yeah, like jrmy suggests
[04:23] <jrmy> who knows
[04:23] <holstein> theres a memory test on the live CD's
[04:23] <Eiriksvin> yeah, im trying to get 10.10
[04:23] <jrmy> yep
[04:24] <jrmy> also lucid will probably be more compatible if im not mistaken for older computers
[04:24] <jrmy> seeing as you have a compaq presario
[04:24] <Eiriksvin> i got 10.04 now but it makes me use an old kernel cus when i updated from 9.something it went wacky
[04:25] <jrmy> i havent tried 10.10 but xubuntu 10.10 would not work with my video card
[04:25] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SystemAdministration/Fsck
[04:25] <jrmy> well video controller.. i have onboard
[04:25] <holstein> you can do that from the live CD
[04:25] <Eiriksvin> it was perfect before i did that lovely little update
[04:25] <jrmy> lol
[04:25] <coalwater> http://work.failblog.org/2011/04/20/job-fails-so-true-it-hurts/, the true guide to fixing ur computer :D
[04:26] <holstein> Eiriksvin: did you try booting an older kernel?
[04:26] <jrmy> oh yeah you can have the choice of booting a different configuration
[04:26] <jrmy> which is what i spent a good 10 hours doing.. but nothing worked
[04:27] <jrmy> so annoying.. so iwa slike screw it and put lucid back on
[04:27] <jrmy> sucked i lost all of my files but.. oh well
[04:27] <jrmy> you can also update to 10.10 with 10.04
[04:27] <coalwater> :s u could have saved ur /home
[04:28] <jrmy> you dont have to burn a disc
[04:28] <jrmy> as long as you can access your.. whats the non gui part called?
[04:28] <jrmy> Xorg is the gui
[04:29] <Eiriksvin> that was hilarious!
[04:29] <Eiriksvin> the older kernel shows some errors but loads
[04:29] <jrmy> ubuntu doesnt have a error dump does it//
[04:30] <jrmy> i forget what you hold but you can stop it from booting the gui which to you is your desktop
[04:30] <coalwater> theres /var/logs i think
[04:30] <jrmy> well firstly the login screen
[04:30] <jrmy> and you can probably fix it using the whatever its called
[04:30] <jrmy> coalwater.. holstein..?
[04:31] <jrmy> the non gui part
[04:31] <jrmy> i hold ctrl+alt and f1-f6.. viola
[04:31] <coalwater> terminal? grub? dunno what one ur referring to
[04:31] <Eiriksvin> it trys to mount something, error, trys a hundred other things, errors, black screen, poof desktop
[04:32] <holstein> Eiriksvin: you get to the desktop?
[04:32] <coalwater> at least u have a desktop
[04:32] <jrmy> what does tty mean?
[04:32] <jrmy> cause thats what mode your in
[04:33] <jrmy> when you hit ctrl alt f1-f6
[04:33] <coalwater> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tty_%28Unix%29
[04:33] <Eiriksvin> yeah at least i have a desktop
[04:34] <coalwater> tty=teletypewriter lol
[04:35] <jrmy> i swear the no gui mode had a name
[04:35] <jrmy> non*
[04:35] <holstein> command line interface?
[04:36] <jrmy> and whats the mode called when you hodl those certain keys before it boots your gui?
[04:37] <jrmy> or certain key
[04:37] <holstein> not sure
[04:37] <holstein> you're not talking about the bios are you?
[04:37] <jrmy> its been forever since ive used linux and had to use tha
[04:37] <jrmy> no
[04:37] <jrmy> this has to do with the kernel
[04:37] <holstein> theres a recovery kernel
[04:37] <holstein> in ubuntu
[04:37] <jrmy> ah recovery mode
[04:38] <coalwater> grub rescue or something?
[04:38] <holstein> yeah
[04:38] <jrmy> yeah from there you can boot without the gui and just be in the tty or whatever
[04:38] <holstein> theres a couple places you can get to
[04:38] <jrmy> and can run commands from there
[04:38] <coalwater> o ok
[04:38] <jrmy> and potential fix problems
[04:38] <jrmy> potentially*
[04:38] <jrmy> even rewrite a confi file for booting
[04:39] <jrmy> before hand
[04:39] <holstein> yeah
[04:39] <holstein> depends though
[04:39] <jrmy> i wasnt about to wriet a grub.config file though.. being the noob i still am
[04:39] <jrmy> lol
[04:39] <holstein> if its something that'll keep the machine from booting
[04:40] <holstein> you might have to use a live CD
[04:40] <holstein> to edit
[04:40] <jrmy> it seemed to be the only to fix my problem with my video when i installed xubuntu 10.10
[04:40] <jrmy> thing*
[04:40] <jrmy> none of the peopel would help me write a config file either.. sad
[04:41] <jrmy> even with all of the information that we accumulated to fix the error
[04:41] <coalwater> u sure it was grub conf?
[04:41] <coalwater> cause i have some ancient laptop but the thing u need to edit was the xorg.conf
[04:41] <jrmy> it had a problem with setting the resolution and gave up after it went through the modes..
[04:42] <jrmy> oh xorg.config i mean...
[04:42]  * jrmy feels silly
[04:42] <coalwater> yea that was stupid, u need to set a dummy profile and give its settings manually
[04:42] <Eiriksvin> um i ran the windows ubuntu installer, but its telling me that its gonna install 10.04.1 and not 10.10
[04:42] <jrmy> its been a year since i spent a long time with that mess
[04:43] <jrmy> err half a year...
[04:43] <Eiriksvin> what do i do?
[04:43] <coalwater> Eiriksvin: the windows installer is on ur old cd or from the site?
[04:44] <Eiriksvin> the site
[04:44] <jrmy> well didnt check which version you were doanloading for
[04:44] <jrmy> bt they do have seperate files
[04:44] <jrmy> but*
[04:45] <coalwater> do u have a menu to choose from maybe?
[04:45] <Eiriksvin> it said to download 10.10
[04:45] <jrmy> hmm...
[04:45] <Eiriksvin> i think im going with the cd route
[04:46] <jrmy> Eiriksvin: quick off topic.. any idea when psn is gonan be back online?
[04:46] <jrmy> gonna*
[04:46] <coalwater> well if u have a good connection then i'd say don't bother and just install it then do an upgrade from the upgrade manager
[04:46] <jrmy> yeah.. that might work..
[04:46] <Eiriksvin> omg hellfire and brimstone on the hacker that wrecked psn cus nobody knows
[04:47] <jrmy> well should work no problem
[04:47] <jrmy> a hacker.. sheesh..
[04:47] <jrmy> i regret buying a ps3 now lol
[04:47] <jrmy> anyways
[04:48] <Eiriksvin> um, well my connection is wifi... u know how that can be
[04:48] <Eiriksvin> no xbox is way worse... they just cover it up well
[04:48] <jrmy> well last option is waiting for a copy of 10.10 by mail
[04:48] <jrmy> ok im pming you
[04:48] <Eiriksvin> i can dl 10.10 its quicker
[04:49] <coalwater> u could do a usb start up
[04:49] <coalwater> if the computer supports starting up from usb
[04:50] <jrmy> well its getting close to bed time
[04:52]  * coalwater yawns loudly
[04:53] <coalwater> i've been here for like 7 hours maybe
[04:53] <jrmy> lol
[04:55] <jrmy> i think im gonan set my alarm for 8 so i can wake up and eat a sub and get the free one
[04:55] <jrmy> gonna*
[04:57] <coalwater> what free one
[04:58] <Eiriksvin> is it hard to install from cdrw?
[04:58] <jrmy> the buy one 6" sub get a second for equal or lesser value from 7am -9am at participating subways
[04:58] <jrmy> free
[04:59] <jrmy> cd is the easiest
[04:59] <jrmy> maybe..
[04:59] <jrmy> idk about dual boot
[04:59] <jrmy> lol
[05:00] <jrmy> i believe theres little difference between a cd-r and a cd-rw install
[05:00] <jrmy> if thats what you meant
[05:02] <holstein> Eiriksvin: linux?
[05:02] <holstein> ubuntu?
[05:02] <holstein> its challenging with some computers
[05:02] <holstein> to boot CD's
[05:03] <jrmy> im true
[05:03] <holstein> editing the bios settings or whatever
[05:03] <holstein> those are all different
[05:03] <holstein> per machine
[05:03] <jrmy> -im
[05:03] <holstein> so we really cant say 'do this'
[05:03] <holstein> you just gotta sort that out
[05:03] <holstein> THEN, its like falling off a log
[05:04] <Eiriksvin> sorry
[05:05] <Eiriksvin> heh wow
[05:05] <Eiriksvin> lovely
[05:05] <Eiriksvin> hmm
[05:05] <coalwater> ok i think im off for now, cant keep eyes open
[05:05] <holstein> coalwater: GN
[05:05] <jrmy> ok nice meeting you
[05:06] <Eiriksvin> maybe i will try that online install, but will it install over top of the old one?
[05:06] <holstein> Eiriksvin: online install?
[05:06] <coalwater> its hardly night anymore, its 6 am but thanks lol
[05:06] <holstein> Eiriksvin: start with this question
[05:06] <Eiriksvin> yeah coalwaters cool people
[05:06] <holstein> what do you want
[05:06] <holstein> ?
[05:06] <jrmy> oh yeah.. why dont you just use system in windows to figure out the ram and stuff
[05:06] <holstein> dual boot?
[05:06] <holstein> ubuntu?
[05:06] <holstein> server?
[05:06] <holstein> what do you want
[05:06] <holstein> then, we can talk about how to get there
[05:07] <Eiriksvin> i want to install a new ubuntu over top of my old one to get rid of the mess
[05:07] <holstein> Eiriksvin: SO
[05:07] <holstein> you have ubuntu on a machine?
[05:07] <holstein> right?
[05:07] <holstein> just ubuntu?
[05:07] <holstein> and all your files are backedup?
[05:07] <Eiriksvin> i have it on this machine with windows
[05:07] <holstein> so
[05:07] <holstein> what do you want?
[05:08] <holstein> dual boot?
[05:08] <holstein> with windows?
[05:08] <jrmy> dude.. not be offtopic but i just realized someone has darkwingduck as their nick.. awesome
[05:08] <Eiriksvin> have a choice when my box starts
[05:08] <holstein> Eiriksvin: right
[05:08] <holstein> now you do
[05:08] <holstein> but, what do you want to have?
[05:08] <holstein> windows and ubuntu?
[05:09] <Eiriksvin> yes
[05:09] <holstein> OK
[05:09] <holstein> Eiriksvin: if i were you
[05:09] <jrmy> have a choice when your box starts in otherwords have a choice of which you want to boot
[05:09] <holstein> i would want to get a parted magic disc
[05:09] <holstein> OR
[05:09] <holstein> a live CD with gparted
[05:09] <holstein> i would want to go in
[05:09] <holstein> and see my hard drive
[05:09] <holstein> and see the ntfs partition that needs to be saved
[05:09] <holstein> and see the ext partitions that i want to get rid of
[05:09] <holstein> i would want ALL of my data backed up
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks jrmy
[05:10] <holstein> from windows and ubuntu
[05:10] <holstein> i would want a windows restore or install disc just incase
[05:10] <jrmy> DarkwingDuck: hecks yeah dude that show was awesome
[05:10] <holstein> then, i would get rid of all but the ntfs partion or partitions that have windows on them
[05:10] <Eiriksvin> um, i am a complete noob and have never done any of that
[05:10] <holstein> then, i would get an ubuntu disc
[05:10] <holstein> and install on the free space
[05:10] <holstein> Eiriksvin: thats the steps
[05:11] <jrmy> i get it
[05:11] <holstein> you want me to point you to the first one?
[05:11] <holstein> or you want to copy and past that list somewhere
[05:11] <holstein> and just chip away at it?
[05:11] <jrmy> so back up everything.. delete everything
[05:11] <holstein> or you want to just boot a live CD
[05:11] <jrmy> install ubuntu and then windows
[05:11] <holstein> and hope you dont break anything?
[05:11] <holstein> jrmy: this way saves windows
[05:12] <holstein> keeps windows intact
[05:12] <trinikrono> is not normally windows then ubuntu?
[05:12] <Eiriksvin> heh, that list seems like a monster
[05:12] <jrmy> oh i misread...
[05:12] <holstein> Eiriksvin: just to be clear, the way im talking about keeps windows intact
[05:12] <holstein> Eiriksvin: that the way to do it right
[05:12] <holstein> so you dont lose anything
[05:12] <Eiriksvin> it dont get rid of windows?
[05:12] <holstein> you can do that from the ubunt installer
[05:13] <holstein> if you are careful
[05:13] <holstein> and know what you are looking at
[05:13] <Eiriksvin> but i would need another computer to get instructions right?
[05:13] <jrmy> with the ubuntu installer it gives you the option of selecting partitions on the disc right?
[05:14] <jrmy> it was awhile ago when i did it..
[05:14] <jrmy> well im gonna get some sleep and buy a sub in the morning
[05:14] <holstein> Eiriksvin: the only tool you *have* to have
[05:14] <jrmy> night guys
[05:14] <holstein> is an ubuntu image
[05:15] <holstein> jrmy: GN
[05:15] <holstein> on CD or bootable USB
[05:15] <holstein> Eiriksvin: you just need to read about it and do it
[05:15] <holstein> you boot up
[05:15] <holstein> you read the instructions
[05:15] <holstein> and you need to know what partitions are
[05:15] <holstein> and where your windows ntfs partitions are
[05:15] <holstein> and how *not* to mess with them
[05:16] <Eiriksvin> ok, does that require using bios? cus i cant start that until i find out the bios password for this system
[05:16] <holstein> Eiriksvin: depends
[05:17] <holstein> IF the bios is locked in a way that doesnt allow booting from CD or USB
[05:17] <holstein> then, youd need to unlockd the bios
[05:17] <holstein> and change those settings
[05:17] <holstein> allowing CD or USB boot
[05:17] <holstein> OR
[05:17] <holstein> take the hard drive to another machine
[05:17] <holstein> do the install
[05:17] <holstein> and put it back
[05:18] <Eiriksvin> oh, so ill have to start it tomorrow after i find out the bios password
[05:18] <holstein> Eiriksvin: yeah?
[05:18] <holstein> you cant boot CD's?
[05:20] <Eiriksvin> um, i think i can
[05:20] <Eiriksvin> if it dont ask for a password im good
[05:22] <holstein> Eiriksvin: its going to do what its set to do
[05:22] <holstein> IF
[05:23] <holstein> prior to setting the password
[05:23] <holstein> the machine is set to boot the cdrom drive
[05:23] <holstein> then removable media
[05:23] <holstein> then the hard drive
[05:23] <holstein> you're good
[05:23] <holstein> thats what it'll do
[05:23] <Eiriksvin> yeah im pretty sure it is, cus it sounds like it spins them up first
[05:24] <holstein> Eiriksvin: well, get you a CD
[05:24] <holstein> put it in
[05:24] <holstein> and you'll find out :)
[05:25]  * holstein is allergic to speculation ;P
[05:27] <Eiriksvin> ok, well ill have to wait n e ways, cus its almost 12:30 am, and i gotta work in the morning...:(
[05:28] <Eiriksvin> i hate to do all this for nothing right now, but sleep and woman are calling so, c u 2morrow fer sher
[05:29] <spencer> hey guys i have a quick question. i just installed gnome 3 on ubuntu 11.04 and now decided that i like unity a lot better. any idea how to reinstall unity?
[05:30] <holstein> spencer: you could link the guide you followed
[05:30] <holstein> do you remember uninstalling a meta-package?
[05:30] <holstein> maybe ubuntu-desktop?
[05:31] <spencer> i tried loggin in with ubunu-desktop but it gives an error. i followed a guide to get gnome and im pretty sure i uninstalled unity
[05:31] <holstein> well, if you want to look it up
[05:31] <holstein> and confirm exactly what you did remove
[05:32] <holstein> we can look into it
[05:32] <spencer> alright
[05:33] <spencer> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[05:33] <spencer> sudo apt-get update
[05:33] <spencer> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:33] <spencer> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[05:33] <spencer> thats the guide i followed
[05:34] <holstein> those are some of the commands you used*
[05:34] <holstein> is that all?
[05:34] <holstein> did anything get removed?
[05:35] <spencer> well thats it but if i try loggin in with the normal ubuntu window manager it gives an error
[05:37] <spencer> also i tried following those commands replacing gnome with unity. it tells me unity is at the newest version but still gives errors. any thought on how to restore to default settings?
[05:41] <holstein> spencer: BUT
[05:41] <holstein> when you ran that command
[05:41] <holstein> did any pacakges get removed?
[05:41] <holstein> automatically
[05:41] <holstein> ?
[05:41] <holstein> open synaptic
[05:41] <spencer> im assuming so
[05:41] <holstein> and search for ubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <spencer> appears to still be there
[05:43] <spencer> but it gives errors when i try to login to it?
[05:44] <holstein> what error?
[05:44] <holstein> spencer: how about classic mode?
[05:45] <holstein> is that still there?
[05:45] <spencer> gimme a sec
[05:45] <spencer> and yeah unity is still there
[05:45] <holstein> right
[05:45] <spencer> ill try to login to it to see the error
[05:45] <holstein> unity s
[05:45] <holstein> is*
[05:45] <holstein> how about classic mode?
[05:45] <holstein> the old gnome2?
[05:46] <spencer> not sure hold up
[05:48] <spencer> failed to load session ubuntu
[05:48] <spencer> failed to load session ubuntu classic
[05:48] <holstein> spencer: nothing else?
[05:48] <spencer> thats what its saying when i try to login to unity
[05:48] <spencer> thats it
[05:49] <spencer> also background on login screen is pale blue. argg why is this so difficult to reinstall something
[05:50] <holstein> spencer: uninstall
[05:50] <holstein> *
[05:51] <holstein> we dont know what is depending on gnome2
[05:51] <holstein> anyways
[05:51] <holstein> i think i would look into ppa purge
[05:51] <spencer> should i just reinstall ubuntu completely?
[05:51] <holstein> purge that ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[05:51] <holstein> spencer: should?
[05:51] <holstein> i wouldnt say that
[05:51] <holstein> i would try purge
[05:51] <holstein> then, try in here again :)
[05:52] <spencer> alright. also thanks a bunch
[05:53] <holstein> sure
[06:09] <spencer> thank you a ton holstein. purging worked great
[06:10] <holstein> spencer: COOL :)
[06:10] <holstein> easier than reinstalling
[06:10] <spencer> haha yeah
[06:18] <spencer> 1 last quick question. is any fan control software that you know of?  this thing is loud :O
[06:19] <japtol> lol
[06:19] <japtol> installing this gazelle thing
[06:20] <japtol> has to be the hardest thing ive done this year
[06:20] <japtol> fml
[06:20] <nlsthzn> japtol: glad you got it sorted out :)
[06:20] <japtol> nah havent finished yet
[06:20] <japtol> lol
[06:21] <nlsthzn> ah... ok :)
[08:05] <philipballew> can someone help me with basic server set up?
[08:05] <mysteriousdarren> how basic are you talking?
[08:06] <philipballew> i want to set up ssh on it but i have a dynamic ip address
[08:06] <philipballew> once i set it up i can walk away from it and do the rest remotely
[08:08] <mysteriousdarren> what ubuntu? 10.04? 10.10?
[08:08] <philipballew> 10.04
[08:08] <philipballew> just did a install today
[08:08] <philipballew> so its fresh
[08:12] <mysteriousdarren> I am looking sorry for the wait
[08:13] <mysteriousdarren> did you install SSH when u did the install today?
[08:16] <mysteriousdarren>  I usually follow this when I do an install. Check it out http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-ispconfig-3-p3
[08:17] <philipballew> no. i plan to though\
[08:17] <philipballew> this is sick!!! thanks!
[08:18] <mysteriousdarren> yup anytime, just happy to help
[08:21] <mysteriousdarren> there is also a manual but it costs $5 euros :(
[08:22] <philipballew> one day i will be able to afford something like that
[08:22] <philipballew> if i get a good job with linux
[08:22] <mysteriousdarren> admin? or what do you want to get?
[08:24] <philipballew> probably a admin
[08:24] <mysteriousdarren> nice
[08:24] <philipballew> i just started a computer information major at a college
[08:25] <mysteriousdarren> ya freshman? or just declared?
[08:27] <philipballew> i am a freshman and just declared
[08:27] <philipballew> gonna start my sophmore year
[08:27] <mysteriousdarren> nice can we talk more privately?
[08:27] <philipballew> for sure
[12:15] <ray_> Hello
[12:15] <ray_> I am wondering
[12:15] <ray_> I have never messed with the lost and found directory
[12:16] <ray_> And recently I had bad sectors and had Ubuntu check this file system
[12:16] <ray_> May hap there be something in there and if so how does one get the items from lost and found without making trouble for this hard drive?
[12:17] <ray_> I am sure I will need to check the size if there is anything in there
[12:18] <ray_> gksudo nautilus and go to there?
[13:44] <kristian_> hi
[13:47] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha kristian_
[14:43] <jrmy> morning
[15:44] <kristian-sx260> hi all
[15:44] <jrmy> hello
[15:44] <kristian-sx260> http://www.trungtammucvudcct.com/web/nghegiang_online.php?id=835
[15:45] <kristian-sx260> I cannot for the life of me get this working... I'm on Lubuntu 10.10
[15:48] <holstein> kristian-sx260: ?
[15:48] <holstein> whats not doing what?
[15:49] <kristian-sx260> hi holstein
[15:49] <kristian-sx260> the sermon or whatever is not playing
[15:49] <kristian-sx260> I get "missing plugin"... I have downloaded what I could think of
[15:50] <holstein> yeah
[15:50] <holstein> i dont know what that could be
[15:50] <holstein> maybe shoot em an email
[15:51] <holstein> and mention the 70 other codecs that would be friendlier ;)
[15:51] <holstein> i tried opera
[15:51] <holstein> and got linked to the opera missing plugins page
[15:51] <holstein> http://www.opera.com/docs/linux/plugins/install/#gxine
[15:52] <jrmy> hey coalwater
[15:53] <coalwater> morning every body
[15:53] <coalwater> hey jrmy
[15:53] <jledbetter> Good morning coalwater
[15:53] <jrmy> late morning i suppose
[15:54] <coalwater> ok lol, yea ur right, but u remember i slept pretty late
[15:54] <kristian-sx260> holstein, so, you could not get it working either
[15:54] <kristian-sx260> ?
[15:54] <holstein> kristian-sx260: right
[15:55] <holstein> doesnt work for me
[15:55] <kristian-sx260> bugger
[15:56] <jrmy> coalwater: tis true.. i got up early for that sub though.. so i might be saying morning if i just got on
[15:57] <coalwater> im looking around the house for my ubuntu cd but i cant find it, im pissed lol
[15:58] <jledbetter> coalwater, Join us in the team channel? #ubuntu-beginners-team
[15:58] <holstein> kristian-sx260:
[15:58] <holstein> http://www.ephatavietnam.com/baigiang/CN Le Phuc Sinh, 24.4.2011, Lm. Phan Duc Hiep, DCCT.mp3
[15:58] <holstein> ^ thats the URL in the code
[15:58] <kristian-sx260> yes, I saw that
[15:58] <kristian-sx260> which makes it even more annoying
[15:59] <holstein> and i get HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error
[15:59] <holstein> SO, who knows
[15:59] <kristian-sx260> ah!
[15:59] <kristian-sx260> I did not go that far
[16:00] <kristian-sx260> if the file is offline, nothing can play it
[16:03] <kristian-sx260> well, at least they run apache ;)
[16:04] <kristian-sx260> I'd love to have this tested before I turn over the box to the end Luser, though
[16:04] <coalwater> it says bandwidth limit exceeded to me
[16:05] <kristian-sx260> yes, same here
[16:06] <kristian-sx260> and I just asked synaptic to get 200 megs of gstreamer stuff :/
[16:06] <kristian-sx260> can't hurt though
[16:18] <coalwater> so guys whats the difference between x86_64 and i686 ?
[16:19] <coalwater> i found an old ubuntu cd laying around and it didnt want to install because it was x86_64 and the pc is i686
[16:19] <bodhi_zazen> x86_64 is 64 bit, i686 is 32 bit
[16:20] <bodhi_zazen> i686 will work on a 64 bit processor, but not the other way around
[16:20] <bodhi_zazen> It will not boot
[16:20] <bodhi_zazen> It it boots you can install it
[16:21] <jrmy> confuses me.. lol
[16:22] <coalwater> so if i have an i686 i cant download the iso amd64?
[16:23] <coalwater> ok nvm, i found the problem i didn't sent the virtual box to be a 64 machine lol
[16:23] <geirha> Correct. 64-bit OS can only be installed on a 64-bit architecture.
[16:23] <coalwater> didnt set*
[16:23] <geirha> 32-bit OS can be installed on both 32-bit and 64-bit architecture
[16:24] <coalwater> thanks, didnt know i686 was 32 bit though
[16:24] <jrmy> is the bit an actual size? i was reading lshw and it said size on the cpu which was 32bit
[16:24] <jrmy> ok nvm... lol
[16:24] <jrmy> well that was weird thinking
[16:25] <jrmy> thinking that a bit had a tngible size
[16:25] <jrmy> tangible*
[16:26] <geirha> It can process 32 0s and 1s at a time
[16:28] <coalwater> dont remind me of stupid computer architecture classes lol
[16:28] <jrmy> so if my processor is 900mhz that means it can process 32 0s and 1s a second
[16:28] <jrmy> err 900 cycles a second
[16:28] <coalwater> not really a second
[16:28] <coalwater> nope, u said mega, thats 1024*900
[16:28] <jrmy> 900million?
[16:28] <coalwater> o wait
[16:29] <jrmy> megahertz is million right?
[16:29] <coalwater> 1024*1024*900
[16:29] <coalwater> 1,048,576 to be exact
[16:29] <jrmy> so 1 billion cycles a second
[16:30] <coalwater> yea
[16:30] <jrmy> sheesh.. thats fast.. but yet so slow..
[16:31] <jrmy> we really need to make things more productive with computers
[16:31] <jrmy> only problem is the vast use requires more bits
[16:31] <coalwater> it's slow because to add 2 numbers for example u need like 4 cycles if i remember correctly
[16:31] <coalwater> so imagine more complicated stuff
[16:31] <coalwater> would take more
[16:32] <jrmy> so if correct a computer with 1 or a few tasks would be much faster with a 900mhz cpu
[16:32] <jrmy> escpecially if that 1 task was less then 32bits
[16:33] <coalwater> u waste the 32 in each cycle either ways
[16:33] <coalwater> like u cant do 2 of 16
[16:33] <coalwater> in 1 cycle
[16:33] <jrmy> it would be nice if we could get over the arc and have cpu higher then memory needs
[16:33] <jrmy> for an actuall increase of speed
[16:33] <jrmy> -l
[16:33] <coalwater> mutli core processors do better
[16:34] <jrmy> but really how much faster are they if we keep making things bigger?
[16:35] <coalwater> imagine how things were 20 years back lol, ud never imagine ud have a 3ghz processor , or a 1TB hard disk
[16:36] <jrmy> only real change is the ability for more complex applications, relatively were still the same speed
[16:53] <coalwater> there's some 4GB iso's on the website, what are those for, i've always used the 600~700 mb ones
[16:53] <holstein> if you wanted to install on several machines
[16:53] <japtol> hey coal!
[16:54] <japtol> and holstein
[16:54] <holstein> where theres no internet
[16:54] <holstein> japtol: o/
[16:54] <holstein> or slow internet
[16:54] <japtol> so i found that sphinx.conf file
[16:54] <japtol> lol
[16:54] <japtol> now im having another problem tho
[16:54] <holstein> and you were going to add a lot of packages from the repos
[16:54] <holstein> it might be faster to DL that dvd
[16:54] <holstein> off site
[16:54] <coalwater> i see
[16:54] <holstein> and take it with
[16:55] <japtol> basically, the gazelle instructions is telling that the sphinx.conf file should look like this
[16:55] <japtol> http://pastebin.com/WNbW1CFX
[16:55] <japtol> but my sphinx shows source torrent { instead of source gazelle {
[16:55] <holstein> well, i have no idea
[16:55] <holstein> but
[16:55] <japtol> and i dont see an SQL_port
[16:55] <holstein> im the kinda guy that would just try both ways
[16:56] <holstein> and see
[16:56] <japtol> should i add sql_port=3306
[16:56] <japtol> since my conf doesnt have that
[16:56] <holstein> where did you get yours?
[16:56] <japtol> sphinx.com
[16:56] <holstein> i would literally back it up
[16:56] <holstein> and try both
[16:56] <japtol> can i just reinstall it
[16:56] <japtol> if i mess it up
[16:57] <holstein> i dont know
[16:57] <holstein> you should be able to just plug in the other .conf file
[16:57] <holstein> without reinstalling
[17:00] <japtol> why does mine say
[17:00] <japtol> torrent instead of gazelle
[17:07] <japtol> coal
[17:07] <japtol> do you know how to edit database settings in the sphinx.conf file
[17:07] <japtol> not sure what im supposed to do here
[17:11] <coalwater> japtol:  i think u wont need to change sep the username and password
[17:20] <japtol> ok
[17:22] <japtol> why does it say
[17:22] <japtol> Put sphinx.conf in /usr/local/sphinx-1.10-beta as sphinx.conf. You will need to edit in your database settings, otherwise nothing will work. (Really important ones are lines 11, 99, 312-315)
[17:22] <japtol> really important ones are lines 11, 99, 312-315)
[17:25] <coalwater> maybe those lines contain some sort of settings
[17:32] <japtol> coal
[17:32] <japtol> i just skipped this step.
[17:32] <japtol> now when i type /usr/local/bin/searchd
[17:32] <japtol> its giving me the erro message
[17:32] <japtol> http://pastebin.com/YE38VG3w
[17:33] <holstein> cd /var/
[17:33] <holstein> ls
[17:33] <holstein> and look
[17:34] <japtol> k
[17:34] <japtol> backups  cache  data  lib  local  lock  log  mail  opt  run  spool  tmp  www
[17:34] <holstein> ok
[17:34] <holstein> so...
[17:34] <holstein> cd /var/data
[17:34] <holstein> ls
[17:34] <holstein> and look
[17:35] <japtol> sphinx
[17:35] <japtol> is the only thing
[17:35] <holstein> ok
[17:35] <holstein> so cd in there
[17:35] <holstein> and look around too
[17:35] <holstein> you'll just have to poke around
[17:35] <holstein> and work through the errors
[17:35] <japtol> i only see delta
[17:35] <japtol> in sphinx
[17:35] <holstein> is there an irc channel?
[17:36] <japtol> there is
[17:36] <japtol> but no one responding atm
[17:36] <japtol> ok so none of the files r in the sphinx dir
[17:37] <holstein> well, theres your problem
[17:37] <holstein> how are they supposed to get there?
[17:37] <japtol> ugh so i m guessing i need to find them
[17:37] <japtol> and put them in there
[17:37]  * holstein shrugs
[17:37] <holstein> yesterday was literally the first time i heard of sphinx
[17:37] <japtol> o
[17:37] <holstein> which is not good
[17:37] <japtol> lol
[17:37] <jrmy> what is sphinx?
[17:38] <holstein> not that i have my finger all up on the pulse
[17:38] <coalwater> i only know our sphinx, and its not a software lol
[17:38] <jrmy> lol
[17:38] <holstein> http://sphinxsearch.com/
[17:39] <nlsthzn-work> coalwater: from egypt?
[17:39] <coalwater> yea
[17:39] <japtol> why r there so many bugs in linux
[17:39] <japtol> i mean
[17:39] <jrmy> well if i cant be told briefly i dont much care to know
[17:39] <japtol> so complicated
[17:39] <holstein> japtol: ?
[17:39] <japtol> there's no order
[17:39] <holstein> that not nothing to do with linux
[17:39] <holstein> thats sphinx
[17:39] <japtol> i dunno wut im talking about then
[17:39] <japtol> lol
[17:40] <coalwater> i think its cause people got used to microsoft's way, install->next->next->next->finish lol
[17:40] <holstein> and you and i and anyone else is totally free to create a not-very-well maintained project
[17:40] <jrmy> lol
[17:40] <holstein> japtol: that is why i was suggesting drupal
[17:40] <holstein> or another very well maintained project
[17:40] <jrmy> i actually read everything because sometimes they try installing some stupid toolbar
[17:41] <holstein> that is known to run well on linux/ubuntu
[17:41] <japtol> can i create a private website
[17:41] <japtol> wtith drupal
[17:41] <holstein> well, i havnet done it
[17:41] <holstein> BUT
[17:41] <holstein> i googled that
[17:41] <holstein> and linked you to a page
[17:41] <japtol> yea
[17:41] <japtol> the turnkey
[17:41] <japtol> place
[17:41] <holstein> on how to create private content
[17:41] <japtol> or was the the tbdev
[17:41] <holstein> japtol: that was one of the link
[17:41] <holstein> s
[17:42] <holstein> the other was for drupal
[17:42] <holstein> specifically
[17:42] <holstein> which can be run on a turnkey system
[17:42] <holstein> or not
[17:42] <japtol> i c
[17:42] <holstein> and can have private content
[17:42] <holstein> AFAIK
[17:42] <holstein> you can do that with workpress too
[17:42] <holstein> and joomla
[17:42] <japtol> im gonna look at that
[17:42] <holstein> those are some of the big names
[17:42] <holstein> and i built a drupal server
[17:42] <holstein> from scratch
[17:42] <holstein> and it worked ;)
[17:42] <japtol> nice
[17:43] <holstein> so i know you can
[17:43] <holstein> im not saying sphinx wont work
[17:43] <holstein> im just saying, you might have a hard time finding someone motivated enough to help you configure it
[17:43] <japtol> ive just invested too much time into this gazelle thing
[17:43] <japtol> that i dont want to quit now
[17:43] <japtol> yea i know holstien
[17:43] <holstein> since it doesnt seem to be very well supported
[17:43] <holstein> or popular
[17:43] <holstein> however
[17:44] <holstein> i always say
[17:44] <holstein> you need to hang in those IRC channels for like 3 days
[17:44] <holstein> maybe more
[17:44] <japtol> yea ive been in the gazelle channel for 3 days now
[17:45] <holstein> what about the sphinx one?
[17:45] <holstein> i dont see you in there
[17:45] <holstein>  /join #sphinxsearch
[17:45] <japtol> ok
[17:46] <japtol> thx
[17:46] <holstein> this is kind of the nature of using opensource software
[17:46] <holstein> you really have to spend time
[17:46] <holstein> sometimes
[17:46] <holstein> on the smaller projects
[17:46] <holstein> where the resources are limited
[17:46] <japtol> uhhuh
[17:46] <holstein> theres no commercial entity (usually) making sure things are working
[17:46] <holstein> just somce folks
[17:46] <japtol> yea
[17:46] <holstein> like us
[17:46] <japtol> :)
[17:46] <holstein> living the dream :)
[17:48] <japtol> nice
[17:48] <japtol> u making bank
[17:48] <holstein> well, im a musician
[17:48] <japtol> ah cool
[17:48] <holstein> computers are a hobby of mine
[17:49] <japtol> r u in what.cd
[17:49] <holstein> not sure
[17:50] <japtol> its a private tracker site
[17:50] <japtol> using gazelle
[17:50] <holstein> i havent checked
[17:50] <japtol> for free music/musicians
[17:50] <holstein> probably not
[17:50] <holstein> most of the cd's im on are tied up a bit
[17:50] <holstein> commercially
[17:50] <holstein> im more of a freelance side guy
[17:51] <japtol> i c
[17:51] <holstein> im working on more solo material i can release more freely though
[17:51] <KinkyPinkie> yo ppz. is there a way I can check my battery % from terminal?
[17:51] <KinkyPinkie> panels have eaten my icons again:p
[17:54] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: the thing i find suggest install acpi
[17:55] <holstein> and running sudo acpi -V
[17:55] <holstein> http://www.ubuntuka.com/ubuntu-command-line-tricks-set-1/
[17:55] <KinkyPinkie> k thanks :)
[17:55] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: i havent done that though
[17:56] <holstein> it youd like to wait on someone with a suggestion that doesnt involve installing acpi
[18:06] <japtol> holstein do u know how to change paths
[18:06] <japtol> one of the guys from gazelle
[18:07] <japtol> said i need to "you need to update all the paths in that file to represent the correct place on your system"
[18:07] <japtol> in the sphinx.conf file
[18:16] <holstein> japtol: sure
[18:16] <holstein> just figure out where they are
[18:17] <holstein> and make the .conf file reflect those paths
[18:17] <holstein> OR move the files to where the .conf file is expecting to find them
[20:37] <wij> hi, obviously i'm new to ubuntu, coming from w7
[20:37] <wij> i just installed zorin, and boy do I have some adjusting to do
[20:38] <wij> for example: can anyone tell me why i can't find my LAN drive in the file manager, while I can access it via a web browser
[20:39] <holstein> lan drive?
[20:39] <holstein> wij: a share on your network?
[20:39] <wij> it's a network drive connected through a router
[20:40] <wij> when i type in the ip address in chrome i can get into the drive mgmt menu
[20:40] <holstein> right
[20:40] <wij> but i can't access it through a file manager
[20:40] <holstein> is it samba?
[20:41] <holstein> wij: well, you havent 'aquired the skill'
[20:41] <holstein> lets assume you *can* connect to it
[20:41] <wij> euhm, well since I'm about 5min using ubuntu i don't know any basics
[20:41] <holstein> is the share samba?
[20:41] <wij> i guess not
[20:42] <holstein> well, lets not guess
[20:42] <holstein> check and see how its being shared
[20:42] <holstein> ftp
[20:42] <holstein> ssh
[20:42] <wij> ok thx
[20:42] <holstein> samba
[20:42] <holstein> whatever
[20:42] <holstein> then, you'll know how to get ubuntu to find it
[20:42] <holstein> its probably samba*
[20:42] <wij> how can i check that?
[20:42] <holstein> if its something expected to be used with a windows network
[20:42] <holstein> wij: i would check the documentation for the device
[20:42] <holstein> the router
[20:43] <holstein> wij: you usually use it with a windows machine?
[20:43] <holstein> how does that work?
[20:43] <wij> yes
[20:43] <holstein> you istall something?
[20:43] <holstein> or just browse in 'network places' or whatever?
[20:43] <wij> indeed, i need to install it with a cd rom
[20:43] <holstein> wij: thats not good
[20:43] <wij> but then i can access it via web browser
[20:44] <wij> at this moment I can access the drive 'mgmt' via a browser
[20:44] <holstein> if the vendor has made something that needs windows software
[20:44] <wij> so, that works
[20:44] <holstein> and did not provide a linux client
[20:44] <holstein> wij: thats going to be http though
[20:44] <holstein> anything will see that page
[20:44] <holstein> that webpage*
[20:45] <holstein> wij: whats the software?
[20:45] <holstein> did you try it in wine?
[20:45] <wij> well its' a simple USR adsl gateway
[20:45] <holstein> doesnt matter how simple
[20:45] <holstein> you install that on windows
[20:45] <wij> i did
[20:46] <holstein> you'll need to do something similar
[20:46] <holstein> to allow ubuntu access
[20:46] <wij> yes but the installation cd won't run
[20:46] <wij> on ubuntu
[20:46] <holstein> ubuntu *cant* have that functionality just built in
[20:46] <holstein> wij: right
[20:46] <holstein> but, we have wine
[20:46] <wij> i read about that
[20:46] <holstein> for running some windows applications
[20:47] <wij> can i check if it runs this ?
[20:47] <holstein> sure
[20:47] <holstein> you want to navigate to the .exe
[20:47] <holstein> on the cd
[20:47] <holstein> setup.exe
[20:47] <holstein> or whatever
[20:47] <wij> ok
[20:47] <holstein> and try it in wine
[20:47] <holstein> open the teminal
[20:47] <holstein> type
[20:47] <holstein> wine path/to/setup.exe
[20:47] <holstein> OR
[20:47] <coalwater> hey, what are u guys tryin to do
[20:47] <holstein> just drag it over int the terminal
[20:48] <holstein> and the path will auto-complete
[20:48] <wij> just a minute inserting the cd rom
[20:48] <holstein> wij: if i were you
[20:48] <holstein> i would google
[20:48] <wij> ok
[20:48] <holstein> the router model and ubuntu and network share
[20:48] <holstein> and you'll probably find others complaining
[20:48] <holstein> or linking about how to do it
[20:48] <holstein> i remember not getting several of those routers in the past
[20:49] <holstein> because they didnt work in linux
[20:49] <holstein> there was a linksys
[20:49] <holstein> really nice router
[20:49] <wij> aha, now there would be a show stoppe
[20:49] <holstein> anyways...
[20:49] <holstein> that doesnt mean you dont have options
[20:49] <coalwater> wij: you trying to share files between the the ubuntu computer and a windows one?
[20:49] <holstein> coalwater: a router
[20:49] <holstein> with a network share
[20:49] <holstein> built in
[20:49] <holstein> accessing that share from ubuntu
[20:50] <wij> i'm a dummy trying to acces a network drive after first time installation of ubuntu
[20:50] <holstein> wij: not a dummy
[20:50] <holstein> you're doing it right :)
[20:50] <holstein> just try and maintain realistic expectations
[20:51] <holstein> if this requires some proprietary software that is not available for linux
[20:51] <coalwater> it doesn't appear on the network?
[20:51] <holstein> coalwater: its the same as it was
[20:52] <holstein> wij can see if from windows
[20:52] <holstein> but we're not sure if its samba
[20:52] <holstein> that would be nice
[20:52] <holstein> samba of ftp*
[20:52] <holstein> or*
[20:53] <wij> no i don't see it in the network
[20:53] <holstein> wij: you do from windows
[20:53] <holstein> from the network at large*
[20:54] <wij> yes, i do
[20:54] <holstein> it is presenting itself as it should
[20:54] <holstein> to the network
[20:54] <holstein> however that is
[20:54] <wij> that's correct
[20:54] <holstein> wij: what is it?
[20:54] <holstein> the rotuer
[20:54] <holstein> router*
[20:54] <holstein> we'll just look it up :)
[20:55] <wij> usr 9108
[20:55] <wij> i did the wine thingy
[20:55] <coalwater> maybe try smb:/// in nautilus and check if it shows up
[20:56] <wij> but it did not run the instllation cd
[20:56] <wij> is that normal?
[20:56] <holstein> wij: depends
[20:56] <holstein> probably not
[20:56] <holstein> what did you run?
[20:57] <holstein> wine /path/to/.exe?
[20:57] <wij> yep, and a lot of text appeared and an empty 'window'
[20:57] <holstein> hmmm
[20:57] <holstein> thats probably not good
[20:57] <holstein> try what coalwater suggested
[20:58] <wij> if i click the 'empty window' some more text appears in the terminal
[20:58] <holstein> use the ip address
[20:58] <holstein> or the network name
[20:58] <wij> in the terminal?
[20:58] <holstein> whatever is in the browser for the admin page i think
[20:58] <holstein> wij: in nautilus
[20:58] <wij> and how do i open nautilus?
[20:59] <coalwater> click places > home then press ctrl+L then type smb:/// then enter
[21:00] <wij> done
[21:00] <coalwater> what do u get?
[21:00] <coalwater> empty page?
[21:01] <wij> workgroup, double clicked on it and now i see...
[21:01] <wij> the network dirive!!!
[21:01] <wij> drive that is
[21:01] <holstein> SWEET
[21:01] <wij> how did that happen?
[21:01] <holstein> that was easy
[21:01] <holstein> so its samba then
[21:01] <holstein> thats great
[21:01] <wij> i guess
[21:02] <wij> is samba some kind of protocol?
[21:02]  * holstein high-fives coalwater :)
[21:02] <wij> yep thx
[21:02] <coalwater> lol
[21:02] <coalwater> wij:  u should right click it and add to bookmarks if ur using it often
[21:02] <wij> i don't get why i did not show up in the first place?
[21:02] <coalwater> ull have it on the left side panel
[21:04] <coalwater> who cares lol it works now jk
[21:04] <wij> you're right, bookmark doesn't work though
[21:05] <coalwater> u mean it doesn't bookmark or it doesnt appear on the list?
[21:06] <wij> the volumes on the network drive can't seem to add a bookmark for them
[21:06] <wij> no i'm wrong
[21:06] <wij> it works just fine
[21:07] <wij> brilliant
[21:07] <wij> lesson nr 1 in ubuntu
[21:07] <coalwater> it just takes a few seconds to mount at the beginning
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> wij: Wasn't that how to install it?
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[21:07] <wij> well yes actually that was not so simple either
[21:07] <wij> but it worked in the end
[21:08] <wij> this community is great by the way
[21:08] <wij> never thought i'ld get so fast replies
[21:08] <wij> and they actually helped ;-)
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[21:11] <wij> maybe another newbie question:
[21:11] <wij> does itunes work on ubuntu?
[21:11] <holstein> i woudnt know
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> Euhm....iTunes I don't know...but apparently you can send music to iPod/iPhone with Rhythmbox :)
[21:11] <mysteriousdarren> wij: it is very laggy and doesn't always work like its supposed to
[21:12] <holstein> yeah, theres no reason for me to find out
[21:12] <mysteriousdarren> are you chained to itunes?
[21:12] <wij> no not at all, just used to it
[21:12] <wij> but i guess i'm changing my habbits
[21:12] <holstein> you'll get used to something else
[21:12] <holstein> *trust me
[21:12] <wij> syncing to ipods is no problem i guess with other sw
[21:13] <holstein> i dont have iAnything
[21:13] <holstein> so im not positive
[21:13] <wij> what are good alternatives for itunes.
[21:13] <coalwater> i love rythmbox but i wish there was a way to export the library with the ratings
[21:13] <holstein> yeah, rhythym box is the default one
[21:13] <holstein> for now at least right?
[21:14] <wij> ok, let's start there
[21:14] <seidos> unless one has a shuffle or nano
[21:14] <wij> eumh, yes a nano
[21:14] <seidos> then, just use nautilus and totem
[21:14] <coalwater> well im aganst banshee, so i hope they don't put it as default
[21:14] <holstein> coalwater: i think its happening :/
[21:14] <holstein> im not against it
[21:14] <holstein> necessarily
[21:15] <coalwater> banshee is so confusing
[21:15] <seidos> i use totem for media, it's lightweight and has command line options
[21:15] <holstein> i just play things in vlc
[21:15] <holstein> or cvlc :)
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> holstein: 11.04 will use Banshee ;)
[21:15] <wij> does music i bought in itunes play in rythmbox?
[21:15] <coalwater> vlc is good for videos, but its not good in makin a library
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> But apparently it can be done with that as well?
[21:16] <holstein> wij: theres nothing in linux/ubuntu that is going to keep that from happening
[21:16] <mysteriousdarren> Rythmbox, gtkpod, Atunes, Banshee, Amarok, Clementine those are all the one that I can think of that sync
[21:16] <wij> ok, enough choicees
[21:17] <seidos> wij: honestly, DRM sucks.  so it depends on whether you are buying DRM'ed music.
[21:17] <holstein> yeah, but that doesnt mean ubuntu wont play it
[21:17] <wij> wouldn't now if it's drm'd
[21:18] <holstein> it means apple isnt allowing other things/players to play it
[21:18] <coalwater> just a random question, if i move a virtual box hard drive file on a usb drive, can i start it on another host normally? can't think of a reason not to but i just wanted to ask if someone tried it and it worked or any problems happened
[21:18] <holstein> coalwater: i thought so
[21:18] <holstein> but i had one that didnt
[21:18] <seidos> by default, i have had trouble playing drm music in rhythmbox or totem
[21:18] <holstein> and it was no big deal to reinstall, so i didnt tech it out much coalwater
[21:18] <wij> how do you solve it? convert to mp3?
[21:19] <mysteriousdarren> I was looking at taking DRM off my itunes library and any tried and true method for it?
[21:19] <seidos> the solution is to not use DRM
[21:19] <holstein> wij: ask apple to let you have the stuff you bought
[21:19] <coalwater> holstein: it's not about reinstalling, its that i want to take a certain system to another place with a better connection so i could isntall a bulk of few stuff cause my internet at home sucks sometimes
[21:19] <wij> dear uncle steve...
[21:19] <holstein> coalwater: i had 2 EEE's
[21:20] <holstein> and i thought the guests would be easily moveable
[21:20] <holstein> and AFAIK, they are supposed to be
[21:20] <seidos> dear cult leader steve:
[21:20] <holstein> one was the open source version
[21:20] <holstein> and the other was not
[21:20] <holstein> *that could have been the issue
[21:20] <holstein> it was just a little webserver though
[21:20] <holstein> so i just reinstalled it
[21:21] <mysteriousdarren> ya but is there a solution?
[21:22] <coalwater> i wanted to install maverick but i didn't find the cd, and i only found an old jaunty lol
[21:22] <holstein> apple could offer that solution easily mysteriousdarren
[21:22] <mysteriousdarren> yes, but is there a solution outside apple?
[21:22] <holstein> ?
[21:23] <holstein> nobody else locked em up
[21:23] <holstein> to unlock them
[21:23] <holstein> would violate the agreement
[21:23] <holstein> you agreed to
[21:23] <holstein> when you purchased them
[21:23] <holstein> maybe there is
[21:23] <holstein> but, i didnt like those terms personally
[21:23] <holstein> and didnt buy things there
[21:23] <mysteriousdarren> well is there? even if it does violate them
[21:23]  * holstein shrugs
[21:24] <holstein> mysteriousdarren: we're talking about how you can use something you paid for
[21:24] <holstein> im not sure where to go from there
[21:24] <holstein> besides formally complaining
[21:25] <mysteriousdarren> ok that is what I thought.
[21:25] <holstein> to make that application
[21:25] <holstein> would be a violation
[21:25] <holstein> the DRM stripper or whatever
[21:26] <coalwater> i would like getting that, but without the drm though ;) jk
[21:27] <wij> well, m4p's don't play in rythmbow apparently
[21:27] <wij> so i'll need to find a way to convert them
[21:27] <coalwater> m4p  or mp4?
[21:27] <wij> extension is m4p -> what i bought on itunes
[21:28] <holstein> this looks interesting http://hymn-project.org/
[21:28] <holstein> and relavant
[21:28] <coalwater> try installing vlc maybe, it plays almost anything lol
[21:29] <wij> holstein: looks interesting
[21:33] <Jimtrim> Does anybody know of a way to choose where Guake pops up when its used?
[21:33] <Average_Guy> I'm trying to set up webmail in thunderbird. I need ports 110, 25, &143. I have a pretty fresh 9.10 install.  Would these ports typically be blocked by default? If so, how do i unblock them?
[21:33] <Jimtrim> I dont want it to be at the top, I want it to come in from the side (pref the left side)
[21:34] <coalwater> no, nothing is blocked
[21:34] <Average_Guy> oh.. ok
[21:34] <coalwater> just put the right settings and it should work
[21:34] <Average_Guy> are you familiar with it?
[21:35] <kristian-sx260> hi all
[21:35] <gaurav_pawaskar> Hi guys. I have a problem in packaging
[21:35] <gaurav_pawaskar> after dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot command..
[21:35] <kristian-sx260> anybody speak vietnamese? I'd like some pdf files
[21:35] <wij> bye all, and thanks for the help!
[21:35] <gaurav_pawaskar> i do not get bin dir in debian/<package>/
[21:35] <gaurav_pawaskar> i am only getting share dir
[21:36] <gaurav_pawaskar> any help ?
[21:36] <coalwater> dunno, maybe u should try a dev channel
[21:37] <Average_Guy> ??
[21:37] <holstein> Jimtrim: thats a good one
[21:37] <gaurav_pawaskar> okay sure
[21:37] <gaurav_pawaskar> thanks
[21:37] <Average_Guy> not even sure what that means :( pretty new at this
[21:37] <holstein> have you tried searching for quake config settings Jimtrim ?
[21:37] <Jimtrim> holstein: got any ideas
[21:38] <holstein> im seeing quake commands when i search
[21:38] <holstein> but not really config specifics
[21:38] <Jimtrim> ofc, did not find anything about orientation
[21:38] <holstein> and i have only briefly used yuake
[21:38] <holstein> Jimtrim: maybe #lubuntu?
[21:38] <holstein> one of the lighter WM's
[21:39] <Jimtrim> lubuntu? what is the L for?
[21:39] <holstein> where they might be more likely to use one of them
[21:39] <holstein> Jimtrim: LXDE
[21:39] <holstein> xubuntu too though
[21:39] <holstein> im just trying to think where users would be *
[21:39] <Jimtrim> ok, going to try
[21:39] <Jimtrim> tnx anyways =)
[21:39] <holstein> Jimtrim: hang here as long as you like though
[21:39] <holstein> someone might come along :)
[21:40] <Jimtrim> tried to join #Guake too, nobody answered =(
[21:41] <halpbatman> Hey guys After I update LTS, grub still shows old versions. How do I get rid of them?
[21:41] <holstein> halpbatman: old kernels?
[21:42] <coalwater> i think ubuntu-tweeks could do that, but i dont always like playing with kernels
[21:42] <holstein> you can search them in synaptic halpbatman
[21:42] <holstein> and remove them
[21:42] <holstein> the ones you dont want
[21:42] <holstein> *i suggest keeping one good old one around
[22:14] <Tsukioni> Hello.
[22:16] <coalwater> Tsukioni: hello there
[22:24] <thewrath> hey all
[22:24] <thewrath> how can i make a user acknoledge a form prior to them gaining access to my network
[22:25] <thewrath> like when you go to starbucks or mcdonalds
[22:27] <coalwater> isn't that a router setting?
[22:27] <coalwater> or wifi
[22:36] <holstein> thewrath: can you use ddwrt?
[22:37] <holstein> http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index
[22:37] <thewrath> holstein: idk
[22:37] <holstein> i know thats an option in the ddwrt firmware
[22:37] <thewrath> oh is that?
[22:37] <thewrath> i have ddwrt
[22:37] <thewrath> where is that
[22:37] <thewrath> in the setup?
[22:37] <holstein> otherwise, either your router can do it or not
[22:38] <thewrath> i have ddwrt on my router
[22:38] <holstein> thewrath: yeah, i forget what its called
[22:40] <thewrath> holstein: are you sure ddwrt can do that?
[22:45] <holstein> thewrath: maybe you need a specific larger verion of ddwrt
[22:45] <holstein> check out http://www.hotspotsystem.com/en/hotspot/install_guide.html
[22:45] <holstein> maybe that'll get you going the right direction
[22:48] <thewrath> larger version?
[22:48] <thewrath> you mean newer version
[22:48] <holstein> well, i meant larger
[22:48] <holstein> in size
[22:48] <holstein> if your router can support that
[22:48] <holstein> im not sure though*
[22:49] <holstein> i just know it can do it
[22:49] <holstein> never had to set it up though
[22:55] <tronyx> why am i opped right now
[22:55] <tronyx> afk again, as always...
[23:54] <coalwater> does anybody know how can i clone a vdi (virtual box) disk to another bigger sized one ?