[00:00] heh [00:00] get some famous names in there too, like 4-mat etc [00:00] and ziphoid (he was the radio guy on the video stream) [00:01] (famous on the demoscene ;-) ) [00:02] well, I'm glad I compiled that demo :) [00:03] i guess ill have to wait until i have better working 3d heh [00:04] http://popey.com/~alan/gord_cvis_demo.ogv [00:04] looks a lot smoother in real life [00:04] thanks! [00:04] wow. trippy! [00:05] gord, are you related to jeff minter? :) [00:05] haha [00:06] its the hair ;) [00:10] heh, aah so you look like him too ? ;-) nice demo effect - i can see you made sure you used all possible colours in the visible spectrum [00:12] its actually grayscale, then i use a shader to map it to a randomly chosen row from data/images/grad.png [00:12] all the gl shaders are in data/shader_src if anyone has any interested in how those work [00:12] * exobuzz never looked at shader code. scared to ;-) [00:14] went to paintball today for my birthday, got shot in the chest and stained my shirt, went to get KFC later and the cashier thought I was drunk and had vomited on myself \o/ [00:14] haha [00:14] lol [00:15] happy birthday too! [00:15] ty :P [00:15] did they still serve you their filthy yet tasty chicken ? [00:15] yea, I said I got shot [00:15] she gave me even more strange looks :( [00:16] normally people are sick on themselves after visiting kfc not before ;-) [00:16] haha [00:17] It was pretty funny at paint ball too, they all made me wear a fluorescent vest to ensure I got shot at a lot :D [00:17] :) [00:17] only I think it backfired because I only got shot once, I reckon everyone thought I was a marshal or something. [00:17] Azelphur, bruised ? [00:17] aah ok. single shot to the chest eh [00:17] maybe you are just that good? [00:17] gord that's what I said :D [00:18] I did get quite a few headshots, It's good fun getting people right in the visor so they can't see >:3 [00:18] * gord is visualising mike from spaced good [00:18] http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/paintball-turret/Overview.aspx [00:19] exobuzz: haha yea, the chest shot didn't even leave a mark, I got a small mark on my shoulder, and I probably have a big bruise on my back from where my cousin shot me (in the back, while he was on my team xD), lol [00:19] Azelphur, hehe [00:19] oops, still had gords demo running on another desktop :) [00:19] only 10% cpu tho [00:19] exobuzz: someone in our party got paint in the eyes though [00:19] popey, im sure you got a few copies of minecraft going too ;-) [00:20] heh, not on this box [00:20] got shot in the air holes for the mask and the paint went through and all over his eyes/mouth [00:20] oh, yes I do :) [00:20] lol [00:20] its damn efficient :) low powered hardware keeps you honest [00:20] exobuzz: and my cousin is bruised to hell, he ran out in the open and started doing the chicken dance. xD [00:20] * exobuzz swaps gord's pc for a spectrum [00:20] there you go [00:20] Azelphur, sounds like a fun day! [00:20] indeed \o/ [00:21] unity - 128k edition [00:23] <3 8 bit [00:23] old pic with my babies http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File:BIT_2002_027_25.jpg [00:25] exobuzz: reminds me of when I was about 8, my mum said "Most kids your age have a teddy bear, you have a gameboy and a pack of cookies" [00:26] sounds like you got things right ;-) [00:26] gameboy > teddy bear [00:26] indeed. [00:40] hai [00:47] bah [00:47] * hamitron grumbles [00:48] hmm? [00:49] bored with all the music I queue up [00:51] tbh, just bored [00:51] ;] [02:10] anyone know someone by the name of "James Harrison"? [04:40] i figured out how to reproduce the firefox focus bug [04:50] i also found that minecraft runs about 50% slower on natty [04:50] oops i mean 50% faster [04:51] oops i mean 100% faster :/ === ChrisB_ is now known as Guest30201 [09:02] i sometimes wonder if having the hard drive power down when idle puts wear and tear and it is perhaps best to leave it switched on all the time [09:03] morning [09:04] jibadeeha: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Minimizing_Hard_Disk_Drive_Failure_and_Data_Loss is probably worth reading [09:04] thanks popey ... will check that out [09:30] hi folks, and happy bank holiday [09:31] :) [09:37] Morning [09:41] :) [10:43] morning [10:54] hiya Pendulum et al [11:10] Hey morning all, anyone know of a bug in Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 that causes Vuze to crash when searching? I've done a preliminary Google and found nothing... [11:11] * dwatkins discovers a webcam on Abbey Road and watches tourists being silly on the pedestrian crossing [11:15] URL dwatkins ? [11:15] http://www.abbeyroad.com/visit/ tugrik [11:16] yeah, sorry, took me google and five seconds.... [11:16] no worries, I might possibly have been referring to a different webcam on Abbey Road ;) [11:16] is anyone near by who can confirm it's live? === RaycisCharles is now known as OmNomDeBonBon [11:53] hi all. can anyone help me with firestarter [12:05] * AlanBell waits for jonsaint to ask a question [12:05] good afternoon everyone. [12:06] \o brobostigon [12:06] good afternoon MartijnVdS :) [12:06] sorry alan. didnt see your message then [12:07] what it is it keeps going red and when i check what it is, the protocol is a tcp (what ever that is [12:07] only been having the problem since i moved house a week ago [12:09] any of you lot do bitcoin mining? [12:12] is that something in minecraft? [12:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin ? [12:14] AlanBell, sent you a message alan on here [12:15] Hello, i am having sound issues in 10.10 when i play a video there is no sound [12:15] any idea what the issue might be? [12:15] your speakers could be off [12:15] i have no idea where to even start troubleshooting [12:15] or not plugged in [12:15] i hear system sounds [12:15] or the volume could be muted [12:15] or set to 0 [12:15] which player are you using [12:16] now it works again [12:16] i dont get it [12:16] the default one and vlc [12:17] popey: i ran the generator for about 3 months, got no result [12:21] and the sound has gone again [12:21] i dont get it :( [12:22] fujisano: is it only specific videos or programs? [12:22] videos i think [12:23] avi videos [12:23] with what kind of audio? which player are you using? [12:23] vlc and the default player in ubuntu [12:24] vlc should work [12:24] jonsaint: is it stopping you from doing something? [12:24] jonsaint: tcp is the standard internet protocol really, the port number would be interesting perhaps [12:25] martijnVdS ye should but vlc and the default player both stop playing audio after a few minutes so i am guessing it's an ubuntu specific issue [12:25] ports start at 38299 and go up [12:25] fujisano: ah, you didn't say that symptom before [12:26] fujisano: is this on a mac by chance? [12:27] if it is, check to see if it's just muted. for some odd reason, the newer ones keep muting themselves [12:27] jonsaint: could be anything then [12:27] jonsaint: running skype? [12:27] no. dont use skype [12:28] shauno no the pc :< [12:28] my bedroom pc [12:28] ah ok [12:28] i have no sound issues with spotify it's only with avi's [12:29] weird [12:33] any ideas how to tackle this issue? [12:33] im googling but getting nowhere... [12:36] ok i give up :< [12:37] * brobostigon read back, to see if he canhelp. [12:38] i believe the gods are trying to prevent me from gorging myself with documentaries [12:38] fujisano: have a look in vlc, and see if its outputting to pulseaudio or alsa, ? [12:39] ok thanks [12:39] it's outputting on default [12:39] pulseaudio can kill it self, if it is using massive resources. [12:39] default couldbe either, what other ooptions is it giving you? [12:40] no clue what the default is : [12:40] ;/ [12:40] brobostigon: default is pulse if pulse is running [12:40] MartijnVdS: ok, hmm. [12:40] ♥ pulse [12:40] how can i check this btw? [12:40] fujisano: is thepulseaudio server using alot of resources when you try and playsound through it, [12:41] ok in system monitor i am seeing a process for pulseaudio [12:41] ooh, like the "burning CD" indicator [12:41] fujisano: but is it eating lots of CPU when playing sound (as in, 70-80% or more) [12:42] 2 % [12:42] fujisano: when you try and play sound via pulseaudio what kind of resources does that process use up? [12:42] ali1234: yeah, I haven't found a single one yet. been using the gpu to do the mining [12:42] pulseaudio is currently sleeping [12:42] fujisano: try and play some sound through it, and see whatresources it uses up. [12:43] how do i set the default output to pulse? [12:43] fujisano: the default IS pulse, as long as pulseaudio is running [12:44] it's running but apparently sleeping [12:44] fujisano: you can check in vlc's preferences,under audio, and output modules. [12:44] brobostigon: i did and it said default [12:45] fujisano: pulseaudio it is then, as MartijnVdS said. [12:45] ok done [12:45] fujisano: play something with some sound in vlc, and see what resources the pulseaudio server uses up. [12:46] i think i need a new pc for ubuntu this one is so old [12:46] 3% [12:46] ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FThX1cDg-tg *boggle* [12:47] fujisano: that is with vlcplaying music or something, how much cpu? and ram? [12:47] i think it's working better now thanks brobostigon and martijn [12:47] vlc 11% [12:47] hi can any1 recommend a good download manager for ubuntu...like jloader? [12:47] fujisano: keep an eye on the pulseaudio servers resouces, it can be a masisve hog sometimes. [12:48] ok ty i will keep that in mind :) [12:48] fujisano: because, when it cant get anymore resourcs to run. and canjust fail, all onits own. [12:49] ok i see [12:50] fujisano: you might want to try and change vlc'soutput module to alsa, and see what happens. [12:54] kingofswords: gwget, kget, tucan manager, fatrat, uget... [12:55] hi popey...are they better than jloader...and are they java based? [12:55] kingofswords: i have never used any of them (or jloader) I dont use download managers [12:56] ok ill take a look [12:56] thx [12:56] I don't get why people on broadband use download managers [12:56] just seem like something from the modem days to me [12:57] i do [12:57] if you want to download a gazillion files [12:57] popey: last time i checked it costs about £20 to run a PC for a year, 1 bitcoin = 1 dollar [12:57] or download files from multiple hosts [12:57] in other words mining bitcoins costs you money [12:57] ali1234: yeah, and that guy must be running up quite a leccy bill [12:57] plus he bought a load of new kit to do it [12:57] if you want them, just buy them on the exchange [12:58] yeah [12:58] for that rig he could have bought several hundred [12:58] whats a bitcoin? [12:58] lolcash [12:58] that's what they should have called it [12:58] a cryptographic ecash scheme [12:58] :) [12:58] space bux [12:59] OMGDollars [12:59] except that space bux are probably worth more [13:11] seriously you'd make more money by becoming a gold farmer === alexcockell is now known as alcockell === cypher is now known as czajkowski [13:18] ls [13:19] whoops wrong window [13:36] cd secretplansforworlddomination [13:36] oops, wrong window [13:37] /etc/init.d/robot-uprising start [13:40] awesome, writing to a USB drive now freezes the whole computer for the duration of the write operation [13:41] it's a shame skynet was using amazon. really ruined the whole thing [13:42] ali1234, linux IO sucks [13:42] this is a regression [13:43] i have never seen dd make the mouse pointer stop moving before [13:43] well not recently anyway === cbx333 is now known as cbx33 [14:06] bug 770258 [14:06] Launchpad bug 770258 in linux (Ubuntu) "Extremely high latency when writing to USB drives." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770258 [14:08] I'm amazed my Macbook is still backing up ok via USB. [14:09] i.e. the server's disk is attached via USB and I'm backing up to the server which runs Ubuntu 10.10 [14:10] ali1234, got SCHED_AUTOGROUP enabled in kernel ? [14:10] i dunno [14:10] i'm using natty [14:10] check in /boot/config* [14:10] CONFIG_SCHED_AUTOGROUP=y [14:11] worth building with that for better io/cpu sharing etc. can help when writing large amounts to slow usb devices etc [14:11] k [14:11] it's the 200 line patch right? [14:11] yeh [14:11] well it seems to me that it has made it significantly worse [14:11] i guess disabling it would be worth a try then [14:11] i never had this problem on older kernels [14:12] i had similar but no where near as bad problems [14:12] would be interested if things are better without it - you might have found a specific problem [14:12] but mainly due to swap being really slow [14:12] i think there is something wrong with my motherboard actually [14:12] eg i get page fault latency of 1.3 seconds [14:12] echo "0" >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness ? [14:12] just seen someone in another channel say their mint system locks up when it writes to swap [14:13] :S [14:13] so any time i hit swap the computer locks for half an hour, even if i only used a few hundred mb [14:13] oh good, it's not just me then [14:13] ask em what motherboard they've got [14:13] will do [14:13] anyway, i've not seen this problem on USB drives before, only swap [14:13] ali1234, telling the machine to avoid swap might help as above [14:13] i tried swappiness = 0 [14:14] it doesn't make much difference [14:14] i have 4GB [14:14] Gigabyte P55-UD3 [14:14] to only time i use swap is when i really need to use swap [14:14] ^ ali1234 [14:14] also try mem compaction / page merging / transparent huge page support etc things that affect stuff like that and see if they make a difference [14:15] popey: ok that's nothing like mine, not even same cpu [14:15] so i conclude that linux has finally jumped the shark [14:15] heh [14:15] worth building 2.6.39 in case it was a glitch they have fixed [14:16] exobuzz: i shouldn't have to fiddle with that stuff, this is supposed to be linux for human beings [14:16] (rc4+) [14:16] +2 [14:16] ali1234, yeh but im speaking about locating the issue, as there is obviously a problem [14:16] if we can narrow it down or find something that stops it, then you have a point to start from [14:16] it's been a problem since... well since intrepid basically [14:17] nobody seems to have the problem but me [14:17] I'm finding Unity 2d very usable. [14:17] or maybe nobody else ever even uses swap [14:17] i spent 6 months debugging a usb issue on a hosted machine. finally found a commit frmo 2.6.27 that broke the usb .. was a pain but now i know how to fix it, and hopefully can get it sorted in future kernels [14:18] i suspect the latter [14:18] what's needed to fix it, exobuzz? [14:18] popey, i still dont get the "big icons" - on 800x600 they actuall are too big and dont fit in the screen, it should surely use screensize to work out how it should do it [14:18] what hardware do people have that won't do openGL at all? [14:18] dwatkins, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32432 [14:18] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 32432 in USB "USB Disconnects / resets after commit b963801164618e25fbdc0cd452ce49c3628b46c8" [Normal,New] [14:18] AlanBell: do you count opengl es? [14:19] counting stuff that won't do Unity 3d [14:19] plenty of stuff won't run unity [14:19] my desktop is well capable of unity 3d, but unity 3d is painfully slow [14:19] thanks exobuzz [14:19] so i have been trying unity 2d [14:19] and it's quite skippy [14:19] as in fast [14:20] dwatkins, there is another alternative patch from usb dev i need to try on the kernel usb mailinglist but for now since it is a production machine, just having it work is good enough [14:20] I am surprised [14:20] popey, here's one, how can i enable compiz + unity 2d [14:20] surprised at what? [14:20] popey, if you choose unity 2d from natty, it disables compiz. do you have a fix ? [14:20] that 2d is faster than 3d [14:20] i dont want compiz [14:20] compiz is slow [14:20] AlanBell: really? [14:20] popey, i do ;-) hehe [14:20] 2d is always faster than 3d [14:20] I hope you're happy together [14:20] :) [14:20] exobuzz: I suspect my problems are related to an external USB disk enclosure and the disk idling, but it's interesting to see that bug nonetheless [14:21] don;t listen to anyone who tells you GPUs are all that [14:21] i;ve done experiments with openCL and a entry level GPU is slower than the CPU even for massively parallel tasks that should be optimal for it [14:21] alt-tab in unity2d is near-instant, much like my crappy old xp machine at work [14:21] alt-tab in unity3d is painful [14:21] dwatkins, with this change/revert, my usb device is stable with no disconnects. without it, its flakey. i suspect the chipset might be out of spec, or the kernel was trying to be "too quick". of course. manufacturers often only test with windows im suer [14:21] I have always found 3d to be a lot quicker than 2d for doing things like moving windows about [14:22] opencl has some VERY specific issues [14:22] treating a GPU as a CPU is doomed to failure [14:22] I am using nvidia though, which makes me a) an idiot and b) evil and c) not worth considering [14:22] Note: There may be small amounts of sarcasm [14:22] it's lucky then that opencl does not treat it as a cpu! [14:22] popey, amd ? [14:22] intel c2d [14:23] i have intel gfx [14:23] the killer is the time taken to move data to the GPU, and take data back from it. [14:23] yes, agreed [14:23] hmm, alt+tab is instant for me [14:23] although clearly if you're using a GPU which has cores measures in dozens, not hundreds -> thousands, then it's not going to set the world on fire [14:23] plus those gpus have slow memory access [14:23] directhex, my gpu is on the same silicon as the cpu [14:23] sandy bridge [14:23] exobuzz, yeah, but intel graphics struggles to go beyond the dozen polygon mark [14:23] well all i know is that for large array addition, 1 core of my phenom 2 beats my gt240 [14:24] intel graphics more or less draws a desktop [14:24] directhex, sandy bridge isnt actually that bad, although the bleeding edge git stuff for it sometimes doesnt work :) glxgears didnt work yesterday heh [14:24] exobuzz, yes, yes it is that bad. [14:24] it's a pity that nvidia can't write drivers that actually work [14:24] a 6-year-old low-end geforce will still outperform it [14:25] directhex, http://www.notebookcheck.net/typo3temp/pics/1166b97581.gif [14:25] as it is, intel cards beat nvidia in some situations [14:25] where some situations = anything but FPS games [14:25] i want to see someone do a benchmark based on "time taken to render a launchpad bug page in firefox" [14:25] or sports or strategy or rpg [14:26] directhex, http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-HD-Graphics-3000-graphics-solution.43710.0.html [14:26] directhex, actually it's quicker than you think then [14:26] time taken on nvidia gt240 = 10 seconds [14:26] time taken on intel pineview = too short to measure [14:27] 'Nvidia' is not the fairest term on many occasions, however. [14:27] "it competes at a level of entry-level graphics cards like the Geforce G 310M, the GT 220M or the ATI HD5470" [14:28] Given that the 'free' drivers are buggy in certain cases (particularly in 3D) [14:28] yes, but you said a 6 year old low end card will outperform it, which isnt true [14:28] lol [14:28] 6 year old low end nvidia card is what, a 440 mx? [14:29] your timescale is out slightly [14:29] so what won't run unity? [14:29] 6600gt, or thereabouts [14:29] directhex: 6600 is not low end [14:29] it wasnt low end back then [14:29] yeh [14:29] directhex: 6600 is the point where spending any more money make you an idiot [14:29] and a x700 from around 6 yerrs ago is not as quick as it too [14:30] a gf4 mx is closer to 9 years old [14:30] and was rebadged gf2 silicon anyway [14:30] im not arguing my gpu is better than a £100 nvidia card, but its quite ok for built in graphics [14:30] and the video decoding acceleration is very decent [14:31] wake me when i can play minecraft on my laptop's i5 [14:31] i would imagine that will happen some time after notch learns how to code [14:31] i'm using intel video and with 10.10 the startup splash screen was fine, but now with 11.04 it is plain ascii although the shutdown screen is fine [14:33] I thought the on motherboard intel graphics were supposed to be rubbish and anyone serious would have an nvidia or AMD graphics card [14:33] thats the theory for 3d gaming, yes [14:33] onboard intel is plenty to run unity [14:33] in fact unity runs a lot better on intel than on nvidia [14:33] +1 [14:33] AlanBell, compiz etc is very quick here. much better than on my x700 ati from my last machine (6 year old card) [14:33] due to it not being a FPS game [14:34] or rpg, or strategy, or sport, or peggle [14:34] rubbish [14:34] we all know that nvidia optimize only for the most popular game [14:34] brb. restarting x [14:35] interestingly the new nvidia driver is about twice as fast when running minecraft [14:35] but everything else is slower [14:35] so how old does an nvidea/amd card have to be to not run unity? [14:35] intel's built-in graphics for pre-sandy-bridge i5 (4000-series? whatevs) chokes on civilization 5. or 4, for that matter. [14:35] I know S3 openchrome won't [14:35] 2 is fine [14:35] and the intel from pre 2004ish might be a problem now [14:36] but I am going to retest my Dell from 2002 later, see if that works again [14:36] you won't have a problem with: nvidia, intel [14:36] it did compiz on Hardy, then the drivers changed and it stopped [14:36] not looking forward to 11.04 :/ [14:36] you will have problems with everything else [14:37] ati will claim tosupport 3d and then not work properly, because it never does [14:37] powervr based tech would work, if you can find a driver [14:37] fglrx has improved rapidly over the years [14:37] it actually boots and is stable, which is a big change [14:37] ati dropped support for my card benig too old before their drivers even worked properly heh [14:37] being [14:37] everything else doesn't do 3d [14:38] o2 joggler can do "1080p h264" decoding in hardware with little cpu usage.. shame its res is only 800x480 :) [14:38] (pwoervr) [14:38] powervr even [14:38] does that do compiz? [14:38] yeh [14:39] gma500? [14:39] directhex: good one [14:40] directhex, same gfx chipset but i think it is us15w or whatever or called something different in the joggler [14:40] not quite, it's EMGD [14:40] same powervr core, yeah [14:40] and so same issues with drivers [14:41] only emgd supports a "modern" xorg so i use emgd 1.5.2 with xorg 1.9 [14:41] and an older libva [14:41] gpu is "Intel SCH US15W" [14:42] http://ark.intel.com/product.aspx?id=35444 [14:43] now that I have brought up the joggler, i can mention i updated all the linux distribution images i provide yesterday http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ [14:43] :) [14:47] ali1234: seen a third person mention lockup writing to swap now [14:47] popey: where? [14:47] and how come no one ever mentions it here? [14:47] in #twil, he's gone afk for now [14:47]