| jack_ | i installed 11.04 last night | 14:50 |
|---|---|---|
| jack_ | its *amazing* | 14:50 |
| akgraner | jack_, I <3 it... | 14:58 |
| jack_ | akgraner: there are a couple of things I would change due to personal preference, but unity has really blown me away. i wasn't expecting it to be so great | 15:00 |
| Tracy_P | Would Unity work on a netbook using the "Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 500", 2 GIG of ram, Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z520 @ 1.33GHz? | 15:08 |
| holstein | Tracy_P: work? | 15:26 |
| holstein | theres supposed to be a 2D version as well | 15:26 |
| holstein | so in theory | 15:26 |
| holstein | unity runs on anything | 15:26 |
| holstein | but that should be plenty | 15:27 |
| Tracy_P | I've seen talk about this, I thought I might have a look at it. | 15:27 |
| holstein | i had it running live on my netbook of similar specs | 15:27 |
| Tracy_P | That's what I was thinking about doing first. | 15:28 |
| Tracy_P | Put it on a 1gig SSD and bring it up. | 15:28 |
| holstein | it is still beta | 15:29 |
| holstein | although, its mostly stable now | 15:29 |
| akgraner | if you graphics card won't support it - then it will automatically install the classic desktop | 15:29 |
| akgraner | s/you/your | 15:29 |
| holstein | akgraner: classic? or the 2d unity? | 15:29 |
| holstein | intel is usually very well supported | 15:30 |
| akgraner | From what I've seen it just falls back to the classic desktop - as people told me "he it looks the same" | 15:30 |
| holstein | hmmm | 15:30 |
| holstein | thats too bad | 15:30 |
| akgraner | I have intel graphics here and it works just fine | 15:30 |
| holstein | maybe the 2d unity is still on the way | 15:30 |
| holstein | or scraped | 15:30 |
| akgraner | it's there | 15:31 |
| holstein | interesting | 15:31 |
| holstein | you would think it would fall back to that | 15:31 |
| akgraner | one sec I'll get the right answer for you | 15:32 |
| akgraner | classic desktop | 15:33 |
| holstein | and thats the proper functionality? | 15:34 |
| akgraner | the 2d version has to be specifically installed | 15:34 |
| holstein | interesting call | 15:34 |
| akgraner | yep that's the way it is for this cycle...not sure what's planned for 11.11 but for this release that's the plan for now | 15:34 |
| holstein | well, *if* gnome gets yanked like its supposed to | 15:35 |
| akgraner | what do you mean | 15:35 |
| holstein | they'll either have to have the 2d one in there too | 15:35 |
| akgraner | unity is a shell for GNOME it's just not GNOME shell | 15:35 |
| holstein | but, gnome is not going to be in 11.10 | 15:36 |
| holstein | or thats the plan at least* | 15:36 |
| akgraner | there is a PPA available for GNOME 3 if people what to use it now... | 15:36 |
| akgraner | ahhh | 15:36 |
| holstein | no classic desktop by then | 15:36 |
| akgraner | nods | 15:36 |
| akgraner | wasn't sure where you were going | 15:36 |
| holstein | SO, unity will need to revert to the 2d unity | 15:36 |
| holstein | OR just not support old and tricky hardware | 15:36 |
| akgraner | yep for 11.11 | 15:36 |
| holstein | we are planning on moving ubuntustudio to XFCE | 15:37 |
| holstein | i think im going to look at going that route too | 15:38 |
| holstein | or go back to fluxbox :) | 15:38 |
| akgraner | GNOME Isn't going awaay | 15:38 |
| akgraner | away | 15:38 |
| akgraner | we will still be using GNOME | 15:39 |
| holstein | well, i dont like gnome3 worse i think | 15:39 |
| akgraner | but GNOME has moved to GNOME 3 so the support for the classic desktop won't be supported upstream iirc | 15:39 |
| holstein | i'll wail til natty is final | 15:40 |
| holstein | and install it on something | 15:40 |
| holstein | give unity a proper look | 15:40 |
| akgraner | holstein, I'll get the correct answer on the classic desktop support in 11.10... | 15:41 |
| akgraner | but GNOME is not going away...:-) | 15:41 |
| holstein | yeah | 15:41 |
| holstein | it'll stay in the repos | 15:41 |
| holstein | but it *should* become gnome3 at some point | 15:42 |
| akgraner | I dunno if that will happen either...:-/ | 15:42 |
| holstein | maybe someone in cannonical will maintain that older branch of gnome | 15:43 |
| holstein | im sure some community support will be around for it | 15:43 |
| holstein | at least for a while | 15:43 |
| holstein | to be honest | 15:44 |
| holstein | i really just tolerate the current gnome | 15:44 |
| akgraner | I think they want to keep the look and feel of the desktops the same - and for theis release I don't think Unity 2d is completely ready | 15:44 |
| akgraner | so for this release we'll have the classic desktop available | 15:45 |
| holstein | on some level, i appreciate the push for 3d | 15:45 |
| holstein | thats really the only way we can get to that next level | 15:45 |
| holstein | with modern UI's | 15:45 |
| holstein | but, i can empathize with folks with older hardware | 15:46 |
| holstein | or just that random via chip like i have | 15:46 |
| Nivex | and most of the 3D drivers are non-Free :/ | 15:46 |
| holstein | still, i dont think that should necessarily be a view point of cannonical | 15:46 |
| holstein | if they want to push things a bit | 15:46 |
| holstein | and put out something modern | 15:46 |
| holstein | thats a good way to do it | 15:47 |
| holstein | just require 3D | 15:47 |
| akgraner | I dunno I can't speak for what Canonical does or doesn't do... | 15:47 |
| akgraner | but look at the the push from GNOME for an new UI - it's not just Ubuntu | 15:47 |
| holstein | well, im just talking down both sides... | 15:47 |
| holstein | yeah, gnome3 has been a long time in the making | 15:47 |
| Nivex | any update on the power management regression? That's a showstopper for me upgrading my laptop and notebook | 15:48 |
| akgraner | Nivex, I have't heard anything about that | 15:49 |
| holstein | Nivex: is there a bug# ? | 15:52 |
| holstein | that sounds bad :/ | 15:52 |
| Nivex | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131 | 15:53 |
| lubotu1 | Launchpad bug 760131 in linux (Ubuntu) "Power consumption raised significantly in natty" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:53 |
| Nivex | mmm bisecting :) | 15:54 |
| holstein | too bad | 16:01 |
| holstein | that was one argument for moving to natty | 16:01 |
| holstein | i just assumed i would get better power management | 16:01 |
| akgraner | doesn't Fedora have the same issue though? Don't know just asking? | 16:02 |
| Nivex | holstein: one does generally assume improvement. pesky regressions | 16:02 |
| holstein | akgraner: i guess if its kernel related | 16:03 |
| holstein | they should | 16:03 |
| akgraner | so it looks like it's an upstream kernel bug and they are looking into it - pgraner is going to comment in the bug about it as that is all I know about it... | 16:05 |
| holstein | yeah, they'll sort it out | 16:05 |
| holstein | i installed lucid on this netbook | 16:06 |
| holstein | wifi and sound were broken | 16:06 |
| Nivex | akgraner: sweet, will be good to hear it from the authority :) | 16:06 |
| holstein | in plugged it in to the router | 16:06 |
| holstein | upgraded | 16:06 |
| holstein | got a kernel update and everything worked :) | 16:06 |
| akgraner | hehe | 16:06 |
| akgraner | yeah as I am certainly not the authority on any of that (much less anything else) ;-P | 16:07 |
| holstein | i dont know, i think you should scrap the NT from your NTEU title :) | 16:08 |
| * BugeyeD likes the natty b2 installer. being multi-threaded is nice, where i can answer required questions while the software is being installed. | 16:50 | |
| BugeyeD | may not be new for this release, but it's the first time i've noticed. | 16:50 |
| BugeyeD | of course, i usually go for the curses installer and did not this time - could be a very old feature i suppose | 16:50 |
| holstein | the installer is looking great | 16:51 |
| holstein | i dont like the way the GRUB set up is assumed these days | 16:52 |
| holstein | but it looks awesome | 16:52 |
| Nivex | what is the ATI equivalent to the nvidia-settings package? | 16:55 |
| holstein | i dont think there is one | 16:56 |
| internalkernel | Im still on the fence with the unity interface... but I do like it better than the classic gnome. | 17:21 |
| internalkernel | I considered for a small moment moving to Mint Debian... | 17:22 |
| Tracy_P | You mention Unity is still in Beta? http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook | 19:07 |
| Tracy_P | Internet here isn't fast enough to be nice to the others that need it for work. So it will wait until I get home. | 19:11 |
| bac | Tracy_P: the next release of ubuntu (11.04) is in beta until thursday. unity did appear in the netbook version for 10.10. | 19:17 |
| Tracy_P | Thanks for the clarification | 19:18 |
| jack_ | im using an old ass laptop (like 4 years old heh) and it runs unity out of the box | 20:56 |
| jack_ | with an intel graphics card | 20:56 |
| holstein | yeah, intel is usually a pretty easy time | 20:57 |
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