[14:50] i installed 11.04 last night [14:50] its *amazing* [14:58] jack_, I <3 it... [15:00] akgraner: there are a couple of things I would change due to personal preference, but unity has really blown me away. i wasn't expecting it to be so great [15:08] Would Unity work on a netbook using the "Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 500", 2 GIG of ram, Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z520 @ 1.33GHz? [15:26] Tracy_P: work? [15:26] theres supposed to be a 2D version as well [15:26] so in theory [15:26] unity runs on anything [15:27] but that should be plenty [15:27] I've seen talk about this, I thought I might have a look at it. [15:27] i had it running live on my netbook of similar specs [15:28] That's what I was thinking about doing first. [15:28] Put it on a 1gig SSD and bring it up. [15:29] it is still beta [15:29] although, its mostly stable now [15:29] if you graphics card won't support it - then it will automatically install the classic desktop [15:29] s/you/your [15:29] akgraner: classic? or the 2d unity? [15:30] intel is usually very well supported [15:30] From what I've seen it just falls back to the classic desktop - as people told me "he it looks the same" [15:30] hmmm [15:30] thats too bad [15:30] I have intel graphics here and it works just fine [15:30] maybe the 2d unity is still on the way [15:30] or scraped [15:31] it's there [15:31] interesting [15:31] you would think it would fall back to that [15:32] one sec I'll get the right answer for you [15:33] classic desktop [15:34] and thats the proper functionality? [15:34] the 2d version has to be specifically installed [15:34] interesting call [15:34] yep that's the way it is for this cycle...not sure what's planned for 11.11 but for this release that's the plan for now [15:35] well, *if* gnome gets yanked like its supposed to [15:35] what do you mean [15:35] they'll either have to have the 2d one in there too [15:35] unity is a shell for GNOME it's just not GNOME shell [15:36] but, gnome is not going to be in 11.10 [15:36] or thats the plan at least* [15:36] there is a PPA available for GNOME 3 if people what to use it now... [15:36] ahhh [15:36] no classic desktop by then [15:36] nods [15:36] wasn't sure where you were going [15:36] SO, unity will need to revert to the 2d unity [15:36] OR just not support old and tricky hardware [15:36] yep for 11.11 [15:37] we are planning on moving ubuntustudio to XFCE [15:38] i think im going to look at going that route too [15:38] or go back to fluxbox :) [15:38] GNOME Isn't going awaay [15:38] away [15:39] we will still be using GNOME [15:39] well, i dont like gnome3 worse i think [15:39] but GNOME has moved to GNOME 3 so the support for the classic desktop won't be supported upstream iirc [15:40] i'll wail til natty is final [15:40] and install it on something [15:40] give unity a proper look [15:41] holstein, I'll get the correct answer on the classic desktop support in 11.10... [15:41] but GNOME is not going away...:-) [15:41] yeah [15:41] it'll stay in the repos [15:42] but it *should* become gnome3 at some point [15:42] I dunno if that will happen either...:-/ [15:43] maybe someone in cannonical will maintain that older branch of gnome [15:43] im sure some community support will be around for it [15:43] at least for a while [15:44] to be honest [15:44] i really just tolerate the current gnome [15:44] I think they want to keep the look and feel of the desktops the same - and for theis release I don't think Unity 2d is completely ready [15:45] so for this release we'll have the classic desktop available [15:45] on some level, i appreciate the push for 3d [15:45] thats really the only way we can get to that next level [15:45] with modern UI's [15:46] but, i can empathize with folks with older hardware [15:46] or just that random via chip like i have [15:46] and most of the 3D drivers are non-Free :/ [15:46] still, i dont think that should necessarily be a view point of cannonical [15:46] if they want to push things a bit [15:46] and put out something modern [15:47] thats a good way to do it [15:47] just require 3D [15:47] I dunno I can't speak for what Canonical does or doesn't do... [15:47] but look at the the push from GNOME for an new UI - it's not just Ubuntu [15:47] well, im just talking down both sides... [15:47] yeah, gnome3 has been a long time in the making [15:48] any update on the power management regression? That's a showstopper for me upgrading my laptop and notebook [15:49] Nivex, I have't heard anything about that [15:52] Nivex: is there a bug# ? [15:52] that sounds bad :/ [15:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131 [15:53] Launchpad bug 760131 in linux (Ubuntu) "Power consumption raised significantly in natty" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:54] mmm bisecting :) [16:01] too bad [16:01] that was one argument for moving to natty [16:01] i just assumed i would get better power management [16:02] doesn't Fedora have the same issue though? Don't know just asking? [16:02] holstein: one does generally assume improvement. pesky regressions [16:03] akgraner: i guess if its kernel related [16:03] they should [16:05] so it looks like it's an upstream kernel bug and they are looking into it - pgraner is going to comment in the bug about it as that is all I know about it... [16:05] yeah, they'll sort it out [16:06] i installed lucid on this netbook [16:06] wifi and sound were broken [16:06] akgraner: sweet, will be good to hear it from the authority :) [16:06] in plugged it in to the router [16:06] upgraded [16:06] got a kernel update and everything worked :) [16:06] hehe [16:07] yeah as I am certainly not the authority on any of that (much less anything else) ;-P [16:08] i dont know, i think you should scrap the NT from your NTEU title :) [16:50] * BugeyeD likes the natty b2 installer. being multi-threaded is nice, where i can answer required questions while the software is being installed. [16:50] may not be new for this release, but it's the first time i've noticed. [16:50] of course, i usually go for the curses installer and did not this time - could be a very old feature i suppose [16:51] the installer is looking great [16:52] i dont like the way the GRUB set up is assumed these days [16:52] but it looks awesome [16:55] what is the ATI equivalent to the nvidia-settings package? [16:56] i dont think there is one [17:21] Im still on the fence with the unity interface... but I do like it better than the classic gnome. [17:22] I considered for a small moment moving to Mint Debian... [19:07] You mention Unity is still in Beta? http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook [19:11] Internet here isn't fast enough to be nice to the others that need it for work. So it will wait until I get home. [19:17] Tracy_P: the next release of ubuntu (11.04) is in beta until thursday. unity did appear in the netbook version for 10.10. [19:18] Thanks for the clarification [20:56] im using an old ass laptop (like 4 years old heh) and it runs unity out of the box [20:56] with an intel graphics card [20:57] yeah, intel is usually a pretty easy time