[14:50] <jack_> i installed 11.04 last night
[14:50] <jack_> its *amazing*
[14:58] <akgraner> jack_, I <3 it...
[15:00] <jack_> akgraner: there are a couple of things I would change due to personal preference, but unity has really blown me away. i wasn't expecting it to be so great
[15:08] <Tracy_P> Would Unity work on a netbook using the "Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 500", 2 GIG of ram, Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z520   @ 1.33GHz?
[15:26] <holstein> Tracy_P: work?
[15:26] <holstein> theres supposed to be a 2D version as well
[15:26] <holstein> so in theory
[15:26] <holstein> unity runs on anything
[15:27] <holstein> but that should be plenty
[15:27] <Tracy_P> I've seen talk about this, I thought I might have a look at it.
[15:27] <holstein> i had it running live on my netbook of similar specs
[15:28] <Tracy_P> That's what I was thinking about doing first.
[15:28] <Tracy_P> Put it on a 1gig SSD and bring it up.
[15:29] <holstein> it is still beta
[15:29] <holstein> although, its mostly stable now
[15:29] <akgraner> if you graphics card won't support it - then it will automatically install the classic desktop
[15:29] <akgraner> s/you/your
[15:29] <holstein> akgraner: classic? or the 2d unity?
[15:30] <holstein> intel is usually very well supported
[15:30] <akgraner> From what I've seen it just falls back to the classic desktop - as people told me "he it looks the same"
[15:30] <holstein> hmmm
[15:30] <holstein> thats too bad
[15:30] <akgraner> I have intel graphics here and it works just fine
[15:30] <holstein> maybe the 2d unity is still on the way
[15:30] <holstein> or scraped
[15:31] <akgraner> it's there
[15:31] <holstein> interesting
[15:31] <holstein> you would think it would fall back to that
[15:32] <akgraner> one sec I'll get the right answer for you
[15:33] <akgraner> classic desktop
[15:34] <holstein> and thats the proper functionality?
[15:34] <akgraner> the 2d version has to be specifically installed
[15:34] <holstein> interesting call
[15:34] <akgraner> yep that's the way it is for this cycle...not sure what's planned for 11.11 but for this release that's the plan for now
[15:35] <holstein> well, *if* gnome gets yanked like its supposed to
[15:35] <akgraner> what do you mean
[15:35] <holstein> they'll either have to have the 2d one in there too
[15:35] <akgraner> unity is a shell for GNOME it's just not GNOME shell
[15:36] <holstein> but, gnome is not going to be in 11.10
[15:36] <holstein> or thats the plan at least*
[15:36] <akgraner> there is a PPA available for GNOME 3 if people what to use it now...
[15:36] <akgraner> ahhh
[15:36] <holstein> no classic desktop by then
[15:36] <akgraner> nods
[15:36] <akgraner> wasn't sure where you were going
[15:36] <holstein> SO, unity will need to revert to the 2d unity
[15:36] <holstein> OR just not support old and tricky hardware
[15:36] <akgraner> yep for 11.11
[15:37] <holstein> we are planning on moving ubuntustudio to XFCE
[15:38] <holstein> i think im going to look at going that route too
[15:38] <holstein> or go back to fluxbox :)
[15:38] <akgraner> GNOME Isn't going awaay
[15:38] <akgraner> away
[15:39] <akgraner> we will still be using GNOME
[15:39] <holstein> well, i dont like gnome3 worse i think
[15:39] <akgraner> but GNOME has moved to GNOME 3 so the support for the classic desktop won't be supported upstream iirc
[15:40] <holstein> i'll wail til natty is final
[15:40] <holstein> and install it on something
[15:40] <holstein> give unity a proper look
[15:41] <akgraner> holstein, I'll get the correct  answer on the classic desktop support in 11.10...
[15:41] <akgraner> but GNOME is not going away...:-)
[15:41] <holstein> yeah
[15:41] <holstein> it'll stay in the repos
[15:42] <holstein> but it *should* become gnome3 at some point
[15:42] <akgraner> I dunno if that will happen either...:-/
[15:43] <holstein> maybe someone in cannonical will maintain that older branch of gnome
[15:43] <holstein> im sure some community support will be around for it
[15:43] <holstein> at least for a while
[15:44] <holstein> to be honest
[15:44] <holstein> i really just tolerate the current gnome
[15:44] <akgraner> I think they want to keep the look and feel of the desktops the same - and for theis release I don't think Unity 2d is completely ready
[15:45] <akgraner> so for this release we'll have the classic desktop available
[15:45] <holstein> on some level, i appreciate the push for 3d
[15:45] <holstein> thats really the only way we can get to that next level
[15:45] <holstein> with modern UI's
[15:46] <holstein> but, i can empathize with folks with older hardware
[15:46] <holstein> or just that random via chip like i have
[15:46] <Nivex> and most of the 3D drivers are non-Free :/
[15:46] <holstein> still, i dont think that should necessarily be a view point of cannonical
[15:46] <holstein> if they want to push things a bit
[15:46] <holstein> and put out something modern
[15:47] <holstein> thats a good way to do it
[15:47] <holstein> just require 3D
[15:47] <akgraner> I dunno I can't speak for what Canonical does or doesn't do...
[15:47] <akgraner> but look at the the push from GNOME for an new UI - it's not just Ubuntu
[15:47] <holstein> well, im just talking down both sides...
[15:47] <holstein> yeah, gnome3 has been a long time in the making
[15:48] <Nivex> any update on the power management regression? That's a showstopper for me upgrading my laptop and notebook
[15:49] <akgraner> Nivex, I have't heard anything about that
[15:52] <holstein> Nivex: is there a bug# ?
[15:52] <holstein> that sounds bad :/
[15:53] <Nivex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131
[15:54] <Nivex> mmm bisecting :)
[16:01] <holstein> too bad
[16:01] <holstein> that was one argument for moving to natty
[16:01] <holstein> i just assumed i would get better power management
[16:02] <akgraner> doesn't Fedora have the same issue though?  Don't know just asking?
[16:02] <Nivex> holstein: one does generally assume improvement.  pesky regressions
[16:03] <holstein> akgraner: i guess if its kernel related
[16:03] <holstein> they should
[16:05] <akgraner> so it looks like it's an upstream kernel bug and they are looking into it - pgraner is going to comment in the bug about it as that is all I know about it...
[16:05] <holstein> yeah, they'll sort it out
[16:06] <holstein> i installed lucid on this netbook
[16:06] <holstein> wifi and sound were broken
[16:06] <Nivex> akgraner: sweet, will be good to hear it from the authority :)
[16:06] <holstein> in plugged it in to the router
[16:06] <holstein> upgraded
[16:06] <holstein> got a kernel update and everything worked :)
[16:06] <akgraner> hehe
[16:07] <akgraner> yeah as I am certainly not the authority on any of that (much less anything else) ;-P
[16:08] <holstein> i dont know, i think you should scrap the NT from your NTEU title :)
[16:50]  * BugeyeD likes the natty b2 installer. being multi-threaded is nice, where i can answer required questions while the software is being installed.
[16:50] <BugeyeD> may not be new for this release, but it's the first time i've noticed.
[16:50] <BugeyeD> of course, i usually go for the curses installer and did not this time - could be a very old feature i suppose
[16:51] <holstein> the installer is looking great
[16:52] <holstein> i dont like the way the GRUB set up is assumed these days
[16:52] <holstein> but it looks awesome
[16:55] <Nivex> what is the ATI equivalent to the nvidia-settings package?
[16:56] <holstein> i dont think there is one
[17:21] <internalkernel> Im still on the fence with the unity interface... but I do like it better than the classic gnome.
[17:22] <internalkernel> I considered for a small moment moving to Mint Debian...
[19:07] <Tracy_P> You mention Unity is still in Beta? http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook
[19:11] <Tracy_P> Internet here isn't fast enough to be nice to the others that need it for work. So it will wait until I get home.
[19:17] <bac> Tracy_P: the next release of ubuntu (11.04) is in beta until thursday.  unity did appear in the netbook version for 10.10.
[19:18] <Tracy_P> Thanks for the clarification
[20:56] <jack_> im using an old ass laptop (like 4 years old heh) and it runs unity out of the box
[20:56] <jack_> with an intel graphics card
[20:57] <holstein> yeah, intel is usually a pretty easy time