[00:06] It would not have been possible if I'd not experienced apachelogger as a Disney mouse princess in person. [00:09] rofl [00:10] time with apachelogger IS positive motivation [00:11] time with all of the team is [00:11] * apachelogger hands valorie http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/phonon-backend-vlc-0.3.95.tar.bz2 :P [00:12] this is better than git for testing? [00:14] valorie: no [00:15] ok, then I won't install it [00:15] I built last night from git [00:15] and vlc from git as well [00:16] btw, congrats to you and shadeslayer and the rest of the accepted GSoC students [00:16] I look forward to good things this summer and fall [00:18] thx [00:18] * apachelogger actually is feeling the pressure already :P [00:18] someone decided it'd be a good idea to mention qml video as first of the accepted projects in the dot news [00:18] now I actually have to finish this crap :P [00:18] haha [00:19] btw, I tried to install U1 the other day [00:19] it won't even start [00:19] in lucid it worked [00:19] valorie: the gnome u1? [00:19] yes [00:19] well yeah [00:19] that's all that's available [00:19] they have people do packaging you have not ever done packaging [00:20] not worth a bug report since natty is nigh [00:20] horrible combination with python software (which only has runtime dependencies) [00:20] so mostly stuff doesn't work because people don't know what a package needs to depend on and then no one reports a bug that there is a dep missing because no one gives a shit :P [00:20] aren't their packagers paid? [00:20] like ubuntu-sso-client actually did not depend on gnome-keyring [00:21] valorie: gnome-keyring is installed? [00:21] hmmm [00:21] dunno [00:21] there was no bug report on this [00:21] wouldn't that have been automatic if it depended on it? [00:21] well, I didn't try installing until a couple of days ago [00:21] valorie: you would think that a company that does a linux distribution ought to have resources available to package their own software properly once a week ;) [00:21] indeed [00:22] well, it did depend on it in the past, then they made it use that secret service stuff but never checked if anyone besides gnome actually implemented that [00:22] about the automatic ... yes ... but as mentioned gnome-keyring was and still is no dep [00:22] dunno about secret service [00:22] hmmm [00:23] I want notes that will sync across laptop/netbook/phone [00:23] so started using Tomboy [00:23] since Basket is zombie [00:23] yofel: bug 769520 [00:23] Launchpad bug 769520 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) "missing dependency on gnome-keyring" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769520 [00:23] thx [00:24] * apachelogger actually points out the missing deps before every release since lucid :P [00:24] they never get fixed before the release though :/ [00:24] gnome-keyring is installed [00:24] one of the motivational disadvantages of a standing SRU exception I suppose [00:24] as is lib [00:24] eh, s/exception/permission or something [00:24] and libpam [00:25] and python-gnomekeyring [00:26] valorie: like tomboy? haven't used it myself, but do juggle desktop/netbook/phone [00:27] could be worth checking out? has it been smooth? [00:27] * apachelogger notes that the reason basket is zombie is because it was rather badly engineered [00:27] at least when I last looked at it some (probably) years ago [00:29] * PauseBazinga revokes his question to valorie in light of recent movie watching obligations. [00:32] heh [00:32] so far, so good, but without U1 integration..... [00:32] bleah [00:32] I loved Basket when I used it [00:33] then an update or upgrade wiped all my data [00:33] could never get it back [00:33] tomboy isn't pretty like our KDE stuffs [00:34] sad to say, I still miss one Windows app: ClipCache [00:34] I didn't run under wine, so..... sadness [01:08] apachelogger: phonon-vlc still is buggy for streaming [01:08] runs fine for maybe 10 mins [01:10] then: http://paste.kde.org/32167/ [01:17] and as soon as I changed volume via Kmix, total flipout on a downloaded podcast [01:17] wouldn't start playing it again even after amarok restart [01:31] valorie: Why do you think there is any relationship between "knowing how to package" and "getting paid for it"? [01:32] (re U1 packaging bugs) [01:32] well, you would think that people getting paid would at least take the time to learn how to do it properly [01:32] You might. Once one is getting paid, isn't the objective already accomplished? [01:32] that isn't the way i worked, when I was getting paid [01:32] ... [01:32] Seriously, building a Linux distro is, it seems, the only thing Canonical knows how to do. [01:33] Of course they started from Debian people who knew that already. [01:34] well, they have recruitment problems then [01:34] they should hire the people who hang out here [01:34] and pay them double [01:34] I wasn't impressed by the U1 Canonical crew [01:35] they came into the meeting with earplugs in [01:36] and a load of attitude === rickspencer3_ is now known as bertiewooster === v is now known as vorian [04:47] ScottK: build succeeded for bindings. installed it here, and my setup.py seems happy now [04:47] maco: Excellent. Let me know when you have an SRU ready (including bug with test case) and I'll be happy to sponsor it. [04:54] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-kde4/+bug/695590 [04:54] Ubuntu bug 695590 in python-kde4 (Ubuntu) "pykdeuic4's processUi() calls compileUi() with 3 args instead of the 4 required by PyQt4.uic.Compiler.compiler" [Medium,Triaged] [05:21] Riddell, apachelogger, someone with KDE commit rights: Would you please commit http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269710 - I just uploaded an SRU for it and it'd be nice if it was in KDE 4.6.3. [05:21] KDE bug 269710 in general "pykdeuic4 broken in 4 6 x" [Crash,New] [06:11] Riddell: I am able to testrun the image(s) when I get home wrom work (: [08:31] ScottK: I can't think of any reason kdepim 4.4.11 would not work properly with kdepimlibs 4.4, but I don't test such a configuration and I doubt anyone has. [08:48] agateau: do you know if there is a way for applications to detect if it's allowed to display a tray icon when running on unity? QSystemTrayIcon::isSystemTrayAvailable() always returns true [08:49] debfx: iirc unity maintains a whitelist of authorized applications, I guess one could query the list from unity config. That sounds complicated but it's the only way my back-from-holiday-brain can think of [09:00] morning [09:03] agateau: yeah that sounds complicated :( [09:04] debfx: the long term solution is to switch to StatusNotifierItem-based icons [09:11] agateau: there are some applications that implement a "hide to tray on close" logic that depends on the system tray icon being visible [09:12] they break when isSystemTrayAvailable() return the wrong value [09:12] is anyone working on a qt-only statusnotifieritem implementation? [09:12] debfx: not that I know of :/ I may be asked to implement one for next cycle, but nothing firm yet [09:13] debfx: quassel devs implemented it so one could get inspiration from their work [09:17] agateau: I've tested quassel on unity, it doesn't display the status icon [09:18] debfx: oh, weird [09:18] * agateau needs to try it [09:22] also unity doesn't emit activateRequested which most kde applications treat as show/hide the main window [09:24] so "hide on close" doesn't work either [09:59] apachelogger: ping [09:59] Quintasan1: synack [09:59] apachelogger: Are you going to UDS? [10:00] apachelogger: duh, how many forints are you taking with you? [10:02] forints? [10:02] holy cheese cake! [10:02] hungarian value [10:02] they do not even have no EUR over there [10:02] * apachelogger sighs [10:03] apachelogger: I'm nomming on cheese cake as we speak :P [10:03] Quintasan1: I do believe that ~200 EUR ought to be sufficient [10:03] probably less [10:03] 700 POLISH ZLOTY? [10:03] WTF [10:03] well [10:03] I drink a lot :P [10:04] Wouldnt 20k forints suffice? [10:04] how much is that in proper money? [10:05] * apachelogger is highly disturbed by the fact that one needs to append a k to be talking about sensible amounts [10:05] 76 euro apparently [10:05] it is like in shadeslayer land [10:05] Quintasan1: quite honestly you could just as well take 50 [10:05] apachelogger: How the hell can you spend 200 Euro on drinking? :O [10:05] there surely are no ATM problems in budapest as europe generally likes real money, unlike the US :P [10:06] Quintasan1: ask ScottK [10:06] Quintasan1: well actually that is also eating out and stuff [10:06] oh actually, that also included expenses for tabacco [10:06] >implying I smoke [10:07] apachelogger: oy, we get food in the hotel, don't we? [10:07] Quintasan1: you better check in FL we did not get dinner [10:08] well, whatever, I'll take ~70 Euro [10:09] and some from my "pocket" money [10:09] oh wait [10:09] I've got only around 3 Euro on my bank account [10:09] lol [10:10] brb going shoppping [10:10] Quintasan1: I would take less and get more money on the bank account [10:10] unless exchange fees for the bank account are insanely high ^^ [10:45] hi guys, I packaged the new kdepim beta release in staging. If someone could test it, we could move it to experimental [10:50] thanks bulldog98 [10:50] I'm busy doing ISO testing today I'm afraid [10:51] Riddell: no problem it has time :) [11:10] bulldog98: will it eat my pimz? [11:11] apachelogger: it hasn’t eaten mine, and the devs want to release a rc with KDE 4.6.3 [11:11] apachelogger: but a backup isn’t bad either :) [11:11] they wanted to release final like a decade ago :P [11:12] and tehy will be releas it after the armageddon maybe:P [11:12] far out... how long can it take to get a few gig of messages into kmail :( [11:12] * jussi grumbles [11:13] apachelogger: they’ll tag on 4.6.3 release look kde-i18n-doc list to see the truth :) [11:13] btw, anyone know if I can has gmail calendars in kontact? [11:14] ulysses: why does hu not have the mighty EUR? I am most annoyed by the fact that I need to get me different money just because I am travelling some 300km or so :P [11:14] bulldog98: I remember some software that remained in rc for years [11:14] I think it was KO [11:14] jussi: afaik it’s possible, but I don’t use gmail, so I wasn’t able to test [11:14] apachelogger: e17? [11:14] *shrug* [11:15] e17 is a POC project [11:15] not supposed to ever be released [11:15] jussi: sure you canz [11:15] jussi: you cannot editz them [11:15] oh :( [11:15] apachelogger: we will have EUR when KDE PIM will release finally:P so maybe never… [11:15] well, actually you can using akonadi-googledata [11:15] BUT [11:15] apachelogger: some libs were released as 1.0 [11:15] only your main calendar [11:15] wine was RC for a long time [11:16] ulysses: outrages really :P [11:16] * apachelogger is not going to UDS [11:16] apachelogger: NOOOOOOOOO [11:17] everywhere you go they have monopoly money [11:17] bulldog98: if it breaks my perfectly working kdepim 4.4.30029 I will personally come after you [11:17] ulysses: what do you think, how much cash should Quintasan_ take with him? [11:18] * apachelogger is living on real money and thus has a completely distrubed picture of how expensive stuff is supposed to be :P [11:18] also I am an alcoholic, but that is a different story [11:18] jussi: when do we get a memenu btw? [11:18] apachelogger: when you make it finally? :D [11:18] jussi: oh, come to think of it, you should have suggested that to the shadeslayer as a gsoc project [11:19] apachelogger: I hope you don’t have to come after me [11:19] hehe [11:19] memenu ought to be a lot easier with telepathy really [11:19] also i makes more sense IMHO [11:19] s/i/it [11:19] though I also make more sense [11:19] anyone wanna test phonon-vlc? [11:20] has someone packaged telepathy already? [11:20] I do not think there is much working to package yet [11:20] ok [11:20] bulldog98: if you have time later today you could package phonon vlc 0.4.0 :P [11:21] apachelogger: don't know, he'll have sponsorship, right? then heh as to take whatever he want:P [11:21] apachelogger: I just finished school and will have free until octobre so I defently have time :) [11:21] * apachelogger conducted usability tests; phonon vlc 0.4.0 improves .prn experience by 300% [11:21] you get there faster and better [11:22] apachelogger: were to get the tar? [11:22] ulysses: well how much would be dinning out 3 times? [11:22] bulldog98: not yet available [11:22] bulldog98: you could test http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/phonon-backend-vlc-0.3.95.tar.bz2 though :D [11:23] apachelogger: I hope there aren’t much changes :) [11:23] it is almost a complete rewrite :P [11:24] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-multimedia&m=130345905903552&w=2 [11:25] * apachelogger starts kontact and is scared [11:26] steveire_: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot174.png is that going to be in the final? [11:27] steveire_: clicking the more information I get to userbase where the first sentence I read: "In KDE Software Compilation 4.4 KAddressBook became the first application to use Akonadi. There are inevitable glitches in early stages of migration, and the Troubleshooting page will help solve them." [11:27] very reassuring :S [11:27] being lazy I read that and my educated decision looks like this: exit kmail2 [11:27] on that note ... I started Kontact, why is it talking about kmail2? [11:31] steveire_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599218/ after migrator finished [11:40] apachelogger: I meant changes between 0.3.95 and 0.4 :) [11:42] bulldog98: almost identical [11:42] apachelogger: because it migrated kmail1 to kmail2 :) [11:42] apachelogger: ok that’s good [11:42] *I* do not know that, do I? [11:42] if I start kontact I do not know or expect it to start or talk about kmail [11:43] apachelogger: maybe you could write an bugreport ? [11:46] * apachelogger told steveire_ that needs to suffice :P [11:46] apachelogger: :) [11:50] apachelogger: the tar can be build without modifications in the debian dir :) [11:51] build dep on phonon needs bump though [11:51] steveire_: Thanks. I suspect the best thing is to leave the older release as it is then. [12:10] apachelogger: what version of phonon is required? Because there is no min version defined in CMakeLists.txt [12:10] apachelogger: second the version set in CMakeLists.txt is 0.3.55 [12:35] If you start kontact I think you should know that that starts kmail :) [12:36] apachelogger: So the migration finished, then you got a crash? [12:36] Does it work after restart? [12:39] Why does my do-release-upgrade run in screen? That prevents me from scrolling it. [12:41] you can scroll in screen using the copy buffer [12:42] control--[ [12:43] magic? [12:43] ctrl+[ doesn't work anyway [12:47] magic being whatever the screen escape key is, "a" by default I think [12:47] then page up and down [12:48] return twice to exit [12:48] steveire_: works after [12:49] bulldog98: 4.5 [12:50] steveire_: also it apparently did not migrate anything [12:50] or the crash prevented the migrated data from being stored or something [12:50] completely empty imap resources in kmail :/ [12:51] (I used dimap before) [12:52] Odd [12:53] * apachelogger will have to give the dell a call because of overheating problems -.- [12:54] apachelogger: Do you have akonadiconsole installed? [12:57] steveire_: now I do [13:00] In the first tab does it show some status for the imap resource? [13:00] steveire_: ready === moonflux_ is now known as moonflux [13:01] also my default calendar, my personal calendar and my default address book seem to have no file set :/ [13:01] them poor things [13:05] Can you akonadictl restart and see if you get errors reported? [13:09] steveire_: nothing regarding imap [13:10] Can you check if the log file contains anything interesting? [13:10] in .kde/share/apps/kmail-migrator [13:12] nothing [13:12] [Tue Apr 26 12:29:05 2011] Success: Local folders migrated successfully. [13:12] [Tue Apr 26 12:29:05 2011] Success: Migration successfully completed. [13:12] [Tue Apr 26 12:29:06 2011] Info : Migration finished. [13:32] in your opinion, it is worth it to apply for season of kde from 30th june to the deadline ? (I am doing an intership which ends around the 30th june) [13:34] Nightrose: ^ [13:34] apachelogger: I sent an e-mail to lydia this morning [13:34] ah [13:34] apparently it's possible, but it's not my question [13:35] in your opinion, it's interesting or not ? [13:35] bambee: IMHO it doesnt make much sense [13:35] it's not too short ? [13:35] I think it is too short [13:35] mhhh [13:38] Nightrose: does the gsoc team name need to be silly? ^^ [13:38] apachelogger: up to you - but hey it shoudl be fun no? ;-) [13:39] the thing is ... when I read silly it hit me like lightning [13:39] "the KDE cheeseballs" [13:39] lol [13:39] which indeed is srsly silly [13:39] have your teammates had a say in that? :D [13:39] no [13:39] writing a mail right now [13:39] Nightrose: btw, I find the student team approach very likable [13:40] :) [13:40] i'm kinda excited to see what comes out of it [13:49] kde cheeseballs.... ROFL!! === Pici` is now known as Pici [14:30] Nightrose: how long a post should I throw up regarding KHC? [14:32] apachelogger: long enough for someone to get the idea and short enough to not have them fall asleep ;-) [14:32] Nightrose: couldn't I just go like "KHC is shit, needs more intarwebs, needs rewrite, needs sexy gui... here is what I wrote to kde-devel, here is what I proposed as project"? [14:33] -.- [14:33] Nightrose: well, with proper sentences of course [14:33] then probably [14:34] but repeating the arguments for why a rewrite would be necessary and what advantages online content integartion has would seem like pointless work [14:34] sure [14:34] ok [14:34] * apachelogger takes his tablet and leaves for coffee and blog authoring [14:39] apachelogger: try to build this code, http://paste.kde.org/33913/ :D [14:39] syntaxically it's correct, it's defined in the C99 norm o_O [14:40] :P [14:40] there are fun things in the norm... [14:46] quasseldroid aint doing no urly [14:49] bambee is that supposed to look funny? [14:50] ^^ [15:03] * apachelogger returns from coffee adventures and notes that it is jolly difficult to write good blog posts [15:03] now [15:04] bambee: about your code snippet... it indeeds is one of the funnier things, then again it probably only is funny because no one does it ^^ [15:05] bambee: I am a bit shoked that it uses # though :P [15:06] apachelogger: it's funny because syntaxically it's ugly and nobody will understand a code snippet like that, and contradictory it's defined in the norm. [15:06] * apachelogger looks for the iso spec [15:06] apachelogger: you can also use %include :P [15:07] apachelogger: for a real nerd it's funny :P [15:07] ^^ [15:08] a real nerd would not find it funny but go looking for the reason why those :> <: <% %> :% and :%:% are mapped [15:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digraphs_and_trigraphs [15:11] Great, now all my computers are running natty [15:12] apachelogger: Did you resolve the issues with the contacts and events? [15:13] ISO testing needs to get done people ... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [15:13] * apachelogger giggles [15:13] "Day of the Natty - the new thriller by linda castillo" [15:13] steveire_: I did not try, it seems like bogus migration though [15:14] * apachelogger is dancing the release tango though [15:14] ok so why is /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ibus-kde breaking my .deb packages? http://paste.ubuntu.com/599313/ [15:14] turns out the file belongs to plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus [15:15] krake is the migration expert [15:19] ScottK: I can help with testing this evening. [15:19] bambee: Great. [15:25] apachelogger: i have a candidate for khc - told him you'd blog soon [15:25] Nightrose++ [15:29] Nightrose: Caution. apachelogger's blogging 'soon' can be a long time to mere mortals. [15:29] ScottK: testing is the only remaining step ? [15:29] Yes. [15:29] ScottK: heh true that [15:30] * apachelogger could be blogging like 7 articles within less than an hour :P [15:30] if only I had enough motivation to actually finish them [15:30] apachelogger: _could_ [15:32] bambee: Also writing release notes, but I think claydoh will handle that. [15:41] upgrade testing too [15:41] oh and upgrade notes too [15:59] ScottK: ok [16:08] Slightly late, KDE 4.5.5 is in maverick-updates. [16:08] Riddell: ^^^ Worth something on kubuntu.org? [16:16] ScottK: go for it [16:19] ryanakca: ^^^ [16:19] I doubt I'll have time today. Can probably do it late tonight if I can find my password and someone else doesn't get to it first. === steveire_ is now known as steveire [16:38] Riddell: hi, how would you feel about a late one-line patch for Qt? [16:39] agateau: too late for CD images, can do for -proposed [16:39] what's the change? [16:40] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/jerTUVJt [16:40] Riddell: fixes a memleak the size of a titanic-hull hole in unity-2d-places [16:42] agateau: SRU. [16:46] ScottK: ok [16:48] nevermind the link by the way, it's absolutely not the patch I was refering to [16:50] agateau: was about to say... [16:55] Riddell: real patch: http://pastebin.com/s38a45Mt [17:06] agateau: do you know if there's a bug already open for this? [17:08] oh yes, it says so in the patch [17:09] agateau: is this/will this go upstream to Qt? [17:23] mmmm ... hi everyone [17:23] good evening shadeslayer [17:24] hey Riddell [17:25] agateau: uploaded to natty-proposed awaiting approval, please (tell florian) to add a test case to the bug [17:26] Riddell: any trivial stuff that can be done today? [17:28] ah [17:28] i'll finish off the xorg-edgers and PN stuff today [17:28] shadeslayer: ISO testing. [17:28] ScottK: out of bandwidth :'( [17:29] Meh. [17:29] i have upgrades downloading at 12 KBps [17:29] * shadeslayer makes the todo page a bit more green [17:33] apachelogger: when will the release come? [17:33] apachelogger: ping me and I’ll package it [17:33] I would appreciate it if someone could verify Bug #771281. [17:33] Launchpad bug 771281 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Natty) "kubuntu-full not installable in Natty" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771281 [17:34] bulldog98: already on ktown [17:34] apachelogger: ok [17:34] ScottK: i can confirm i have the issue [17:34] * shadeslayer is updating sources [17:34] apachelogger: btw I heard something about ktown getting closed. Is this only rumor? [17:35] hi i'm under maverick, i've tried to upgrade to natty but i've got an error: E:Errore, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve ha generato delle interruzioni. Questo potrebbe essere causato da pacchetti bloccati. [17:36] ScottK: i still haz issue [17:36] reporting from 5:63ubuntu16 [17:37] shadeslayer: You need kubuntu-full 1.222.1. It won't hit archive.ubuntu.com for another few minutes. [17:37] righto, i was just looking at the publishing page [17:38] oh yayy .. only 77 megs of updates [17:38] win [17:39] Riddell: for xorg-edgers and neon, we put in instructions on how to add the PPA and then how to report bugs ? [17:39] against the driver/kwin [17:41] yofel_: fyi apport script is busted for project-neon-kde-workspace, only gives me a dep list [17:41] not very helpful if i want to look at a kdm bug [17:43] erm, that's all the hook currently collects, nothing else implemented yet === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:44] :( [17:45] yofel: okay i'm going to ask for a kdm.log and xession-error file then [17:45] bulldog98: well, ktown as place to do it all and everything [17:45] k, busy now, I'll look at it later [17:45] ah okay [17:46] all sorts of shit is running on ktown [17:47] apachelogger: ok [17:47] apachelogger: is ktown running in ktown aka kaiserslautern? [17:48] no [17:48] well [17:48] maybe [17:48] AFAIK it lives in some space ship of novell [17:49] funny enough an IP locator does show ktowns IP to be in Kaiserslautern ^^ [17:52] scaries [17:53] yofel: you are not attending the youdeeess? [17:54] not this one [17:59] yofel: too bad :/ [18:05] apachelogger: do you attend desktopsummit? [18:05] o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/ http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/phonon-vlc-0-4-0/ \o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o [18:05] bulldog98: yes [18:05] not saturday though as my sis is getting married that day [18:06] apachelogger: so I testbuild the new version [18:08] apachelogger: kdepim was just branched [18:13] apachelogger: where to upload the package? [18:14] staging? [18:15] I think it can go to -backports [18:16] bulldog98: did you move kdepi yet? [18:16] m [18:17]