[00:06] <ScottK> It would not have been possible if I'd not experienced apachelogger as a Disney mouse princess in person.
[00:09] <valorie> rofl
[00:10] <valorie> time with apachelogger IS positive motivation
[00:11] <valorie> time with all of the team is
[00:11]  * apachelogger hands valorie http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/phonon-backend-vlc-0.3.95.tar.bz2 :P
[00:12] <valorie> this is better than git for testing?
[00:14] <apachelogger> valorie: no
[00:15] <valorie> ok, then I won't install it
[00:15] <valorie> I built last night from git
[00:15] <valorie> and vlc from git as well
[00:16] <valorie> btw, congrats to you and shadeslayer and the rest of the accepted GSoC students
[00:16] <valorie> I look forward to good things this summer and fall
[00:18] <apachelogger> thx
[00:18]  * apachelogger actually is feeling the pressure already :P
[00:18] <apachelogger> someone decided it'd be a good idea to mention qml video as first of the accepted projects in the dot news
[00:18] <apachelogger> now I actually have to finish this crap :P
[00:18] <valorie> haha
[00:19] <valorie> btw, I tried to install U1 the other day
[00:19] <valorie> it won't even start
[00:19] <valorie> in lucid it worked
[00:19] <apachelogger> valorie: the gnome u1?
[00:19] <valorie> yes
[00:19] <apachelogger> well yeah
[00:19] <valorie> that's all that's available
[00:19] <apachelogger> they have people do packaging you have not ever done packaging
[00:20] <valorie> not worth a bug report since natty is nigh
[00:20] <apachelogger> horrible combination with python software (which only has runtime dependencies)
[00:20] <apachelogger> so mostly stuff doesn't work because people don't know what a package needs to depend on and then no one reports a bug that there is a dep missing because no one gives a shit :P
[00:20] <valorie> aren't their packagers paid?
[00:20] <apachelogger> like ubuntu-sso-client actually did not depend on gnome-keyring
[00:21] <yofel> valorie: gnome-keyring is installed?
[00:21] <valorie> hmmm
[00:21] <valorie> dunno
[00:21] <apachelogger> there was no bug report on this
[00:21] <valorie> wouldn't that have been automatic if it depended on it?
[00:21] <valorie> well, I didn't try installing until a couple of days ago
[00:21] <apachelogger> valorie: you would think that a company that does a linux distribution ought to have resources available to package their own software properly once a week ;)
[00:21] <valorie> indeed
[00:22] <yofel> well, it did depend on it in the past, then they made it use that secret service stuff but never checked if anyone besides gnome actually implemented that
[00:22] <apachelogger> about the automatic ... yes ... but as mentioned gnome-keyring was and still is no dep
[00:22] <valorie> dunno about secret service
[00:22] <valorie> hmmm
[00:23] <valorie> I want notes that will sync across laptop/netbook/phone
[00:23] <valorie> so started using Tomboy
[00:23] <valorie> since Basket is zombie
[00:23] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 769520
[00:23] <yofel> thx
[00:24]  * apachelogger actually points out the missing deps before every release since lucid :P
[00:24] <apachelogger> they never get fixed before the release though :/
[00:24] <valorie> gnome-keyring is installed
[00:24] <apachelogger> one of the motivational disadvantages of a standing SRU exception I suppose
[00:24] <valorie> as is lib
[00:24] <apachelogger> eh, s/exception/permission or something
[00:24] <valorie> and libpam
[00:25] <valorie> and python-gnomekeyring
[00:26] <PauseBazinga> valorie: like tomboy?  haven't used it myself, but do juggle desktop/netbook/phone
[00:27] <PauseBazinga> could be worth checking out? has it been smooth?
[00:27]  * apachelogger notes that the reason basket is zombie is because it was rather badly engineered
[00:27] <apachelogger> at least when I last looked at it some (probably) years ago
[00:29]  * PauseBazinga revokes his question to valorie in light of recent movie watching obligations.
[00:32] <valorie> heh
[00:32] <valorie> so far, so good, but without U1 integration.....
[00:32] <valorie> bleah
[00:32] <valorie> I loved Basket when I used it
[00:33] <valorie> then an update or upgrade wiped all my data
[00:33] <valorie> could never get it back
[00:33] <valorie> tomboy isn't pretty like our KDE stuffs
[00:34] <valorie> sad to say, I still miss one Windows app: ClipCache
[00:34] <valorie> I didn't run under wine, so..... sadness
[01:08] <valorie> apachelogger: phonon-vlc still is buggy for streaming
[01:08] <valorie> runs fine for maybe 10 mins
[01:10] <valorie> then: http://paste.kde.org/32167/
[01:17] <valorie> and as soon as I changed volume via Kmix, total flipout on a downloaded podcast
[01:17] <valorie> wouldn't start playing it again even after amarok restart
[01:31] <ScottK> valorie: Why do you think there is any relationship between "knowing how to package" and "getting paid for it"?
[01:32] <ScottK> (re U1 packaging bugs)
[01:32] <valorie> well, you would think that people getting paid would at least take the time to learn how to do it properly
[01:32] <ScottK> You might.  Once one is getting paid, isn't the objective already accomplished?
[01:32] <valorie> that isn't the way i worked, when I was getting paid
[01:32] <valorie> ...
[01:32] <ScottK> Seriously, building a Linux distro is, it seems, the only thing Canonical knows how to do.
[01:33] <ScottK> Of course they started from Debian people who knew that already.
[01:34] <valorie> well, they have recruitment problems then
[01:34] <valorie> they should hire the people who hang out here
[01:34] <valorie> and pay them double
[01:34] <valorie> I wasn't impressed by the U1 Canonical crew
[01:35] <valorie> they came into the meeting with earplugs in
[01:36] <valorie> and a load of attitude
[04:47] <maco> ScottK: build succeeded for bindings. installed it here, and my setup.py seems happy now
[04:47] <ScottK> maco: Excellent.  Let me know when you have an SRU ready (including bug with test case) and I'll be happy to sponsor it.
[04:54] <maco> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-kde4/+bug/695590
[05:21] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger, someone with KDE commit rights: Would you please commit http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269710 - I just uploaded an SRU for it and it'd be nice if it was in KDE 4.6.3.
[06:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: I am able to testrun the image(s) when I get home wrom work (:
[08:31] <steveire_> ScottK: I can't think of any reason kdepim 4.4.11 would not work properly with kdepimlibs 4.4, but I don't test such a configuration and I doubt anyone has.
[08:48] <debfx> agateau: do you know if there is a way for applications to detect if it's allowed to display a tray icon when running on unity? QSystemTrayIcon::isSystemTrayAvailable() always returns true
[08:49] <agateau> debfx: iirc unity maintains a whitelist of authorized applications, I guess one could query the list from unity config. That sounds complicated but it's the only way my back-from-holiday-brain can think of
[09:00] <bambee> morning
[09:03] <debfx> agateau: yeah that sounds complicated :(
[09:04] <agateau> debfx: the long term solution is to switch to StatusNotifierItem-based icons
[09:11] <debfx> agateau: there are some applications that implement a "hide to tray on close" logic that depends on the system tray icon being visible
[09:12] <debfx> they break when isSystemTrayAvailable() return the wrong value
[09:12] <debfx> is anyone working on a qt-only statusnotifieritem implementation?
[09:12] <agateau> debfx: not that I know of :/ I may be asked to implement one for next cycle, but nothing firm yet
[09:13] <agateau> debfx: quassel devs implemented it so one could get inspiration from their work
[09:17] <debfx> agateau: I've tested quassel on unity, it doesn't display the status icon
[09:18] <agateau> debfx: oh, weird
[09:18]  * agateau needs to try it
[09:22] <debfx> also unity doesn't emit activateRequested which most kde applications treat as show/hide the main window
[09:24] <debfx> so "hide on close" doesn't work either
[09:59] <Quintasan1> apachelogger: ping
[09:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan1: synack
[09:59] <Quintasan1> apachelogger: Are you going to UDS?
[10:00] <Quintasan1> apachelogger: duh, how many forints are you taking with you?
[10:02] <apachelogger> forints?
[10:02] <apachelogger> holy cheese cake!
[10:02] <Quintasan1> hungarian value
[10:02] <apachelogger> they do not even have no EUR over there
[10:02]  * apachelogger sighs
[10:03] <Quintasan1> apachelogger: I'm nomming on cheese cake as we speak :P
[10:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan1: I do believe that ~200 EUR ought to be sufficient
[10:03] <apachelogger> probably less
[10:03] <Quintasan1> 700 POLISH ZLOTY?
[10:03] <Quintasan1> WTF
[10:03] <apachelogger> well
[10:03] <apachelogger> I drink a lot :P
[10:04] <Quintasan1> Wouldnt 20k forints suffice?
[10:04] <apachelogger> how much is that in proper money?
[10:05]  * apachelogger is highly disturbed by the fact that one needs to append a k to be talking about sensible amounts
[10:05] <Quintasan1> 76 euro apparently
[10:05] <apachelogger> it is like in shadeslayer land
[10:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan1: quite honestly you could just as well take 50
[10:05] <Quintasan1> apachelogger: How the hell can you spend  200 Euro on drinking? :O
[10:05] <apachelogger> there surely are no ATM problems in budapest as europe generally likes real money, unlike the US :P
[10:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan1: ask ScottK
[10:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan1: well actually that is also eating out and stuff
[10:06] <apachelogger> oh actually, that also included expenses for tabacco
[10:06] <Quintasan1> >implying I smoke
[10:07] <Quintasan1> apachelogger: oy, we get food in the hotel, don't we?
[10:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan1: you better check in FL we did not get dinner
[10:08] <Quintasan1> well, whatever, I'll take ~70 Euro
[10:09] <Quintasan1> and some from my "pocket" money
[10:09] <Quintasan1> oh wait
[10:09] <Quintasan1> I've got only around 3 Euro on my bank account
[10:09] <Quintasan1> lol
[10:10] <Quintasan1> brb going shoppping
[10:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan1: I would take less and get more money on the bank account
[10:10] <apachelogger> unless exchange fees for the bank account are insanely high ^^
[10:45] <bulldog98> hi guys, I packaged the new kdepim beta release in staging. If someone could test it, we could move it to experimental
[10:50] <Riddell> thanks bulldog98 
[10:50] <Riddell> I'm busy doing ISO testing today I'm afraid
[10:51] <bulldog98> Riddell: no problem it has time :)
[11:10] <apachelogger> bulldog98: will it eat my pimz?
[11:11] <bulldog98> apachelogger: it hasn’t eaten mine, and the devs want to release a rc with KDE 4.6.3
[11:11] <bulldog98> apachelogger: but a backup isn’t bad either :)
[11:11] <apachelogger> they wanted to release final like a decade ago :P
[11:12] <ulysses> and tehy will be releas it after the armageddon maybe:P
[11:12] <jussi> far out... how long can it take to get a few gig of messages into kmail :(
[11:12]  * jussi grumbles
[11:13] <bulldog98> apachelogger: they’ll tag on 4.6.3 release look kde-i18n-doc list to see the truth :)
[11:13] <jussi> btw, anyone know if I can has gmail calendars in kontact? 
[11:14] <apachelogger> ulysses: why does hu not have the mighty EUR? I am most annoyed by the fact that I need to get me different money just because I am travelling some 300km or so :P
[11:14] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I remember some software that remained in rc for years
[11:14] <apachelogger> I think it was KO
[11:14] <bulldog98> jussi: afaik it’s possible, but I don’t use gmail, so I wasn’t able to test
[11:14] <bulldog98> apachelogger: e17?
[11:14] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:15] <apachelogger> e17 is a POC project
[11:15] <apachelogger> not supposed to ever be released
[11:15] <apachelogger> jussi: sure you canz
[11:15] <apachelogger> jussi: you cannot editz them
[11:15] <jussi> oh :(
[11:15] <ulysses> apachelogger: we will have EUR when KDE PIM will release finally:P so maybe never…
[11:15] <apachelogger> well, actually you can using akonadi-googledata
[11:15] <apachelogger> BUT
[11:15] <bulldog98> apachelogger: some libs were released as 1.0
[11:15] <apachelogger> only your main calendar
[11:15] <steveire_> wine was RC for a long time
[11:16] <apachelogger> ulysses: outrages really :P
[11:16]  * apachelogger is not going to UDS
[11:16] <jussi> apachelogger: NOOOOOOOOO
[11:17] <apachelogger> everywhere you go they have monopoly money
[11:17] <apachelogger> bulldog98: if it breaks my perfectly working kdepim 4.4.30029 I will personally come after you
[11:17] <apachelogger> ulysses: what do you think, how much cash should Quintasan_ take with him?
[11:18]  * apachelogger is living on real money and thus has a completely distrubed picture of how expensive stuff is supposed to be :P
[11:18] <apachelogger> also I am an alcoholic, but that is a different story
[11:18] <apachelogger> jussi: when do we get a memenu btw?
[11:18] <jussi> apachelogger: when you make it finally? :D
[11:18] <apachelogger> jussi: oh, come to think of it, you should have suggested that to the shadeslayer as a gsoc project
[11:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I hope you don’t have to come after me
[11:19] <jussi> hehe
[11:19] <apachelogger> memenu ought to be a lot easier with telepathy really
[11:19] <apachelogger> also i makes more sense IMHO
[11:19] <apachelogger> s/i/it
[11:19] <apachelogger> though I also make more sense
[11:19] <apachelogger> anyone wanna test phonon-vlc?
[11:20] <bulldog98> has someone packaged telepathy already?
[11:20] <apachelogger> I do not think there is much working to package yet
[11:20] <bulldog98> ok
[11:20] <apachelogger> bulldog98: if you have time later today you could package phonon vlc 0.4.0 :P
[11:21] <ulysses> apachelogger: don't know, he'll have sponsorship, right? then heh as to take whatever he want:P
[11:21] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I just finished school and will have free until octobre so I defently have time :)
[11:21]  * apachelogger conducted usability tests; phonon vlc 0.4.0 improves .prn experience by 300%
[11:21] <apachelogger> you get there faster and better
[11:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: were to get the tar?
[11:22] <apachelogger> ulysses: well how much would be dinning out 3 times?
[11:22] <apachelogger> bulldog98: not yet available
[11:22] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you could test http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/phonon-backend-vlc-0.3.95.tar.bz2 though :D
[11:23] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I hope there aren’t much changes :)
[11:23] <apachelogger> it is almost a complete rewrite :P
[11:24] <apachelogger> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-multimedia&m=130345905903552&w=2
[11:25]  * apachelogger starts kontact and is scared
[11:26] <apachelogger> steveire_: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot174.png is that going to be in the final?
[11:27] <apachelogger> steveire_: clicking the more information I get to userbase where the first sentence I read: "In KDE Software Compilation 4.4 KAddressBook became the first application to use Akonadi. There are inevitable glitches in early stages of migration, and the Troubleshooting page will help solve them."
[11:27] <apachelogger> very reassuring :S
[11:27] <apachelogger> being lazy I read that and my educated decision looks like this: exit kmail2
[11:27] <apachelogger> on that note ... I started Kontact, why is it talking about kmail2?
[11:31] <apachelogger> steveire_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599218/ after migrator finished
[11:40] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I meant changes between 0.3.95 and 0.4 :)
[11:42] <apachelogger> bulldog98: almost identical
[11:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: because it migrated kmail1 to kmail2 :)
[11:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok that’s good
[11:42] <apachelogger> *I* do not know that, do I?
[11:42] <apachelogger> if I start kontact I do not know or expect it to start or talk about kmail
[11:43] <bulldog98> apachelogger: maybe you could write an bugreport ?
[11:46]  * apachelogger told steveire_ that needs to suffice :P
[11:46] <bulldog98> apachelogger: :)
[11:50] <bulldog98> apachelogger: the tar can be build without modifications in the debian dir :)
[11:51] <apachelogger> build dep on phonon needs bump though
[11:51] <ScottK> steveire_: Thanks.  I suspect the best thing is to leave the older release as it is then.
[12:10] <bulldog98> apachelogger: what version of phonon is required? Because there is no min version defined in CMakeLists.txt
[12:10] <bulldog98> apachelogger: second the version set in CMakeLists.txt is 0.3.55
[12:35] <steveire_> If you start kontact I think you should know that that starts kmail :)
[12:36] <steveire_> apachelogger: So the migration finished, then you got a crash?
[12:36] <steveire_> Does it work after restart?
[12:39] <steveire_> Why does my do-release-upgrade run in screen? That prevents me from scrolling it.
[12:41] <Riddell> you can scroll in screen using the copy buffer
[12:42] <Riddell> control-<magic>-[
[12:43] <steveire_> magic?
[12:43] <steveire_> ctrl+[ doesn't work anyway
[12:47] <Riddell> magic being whatever the screen escape key is, "a" by default I think
[12:47] <Riddell> then page up and down
[12:48] <Riddell> return twice to exit
[12:48] <apachelogger> steveire_: works after
[12:49] <apachelogger> bulldog98: 4.5
[12:50] <apachelogger> steveire_: also it apparently did not migrate anything
[12:50] <apachelogger> or the crash prevented the migrated data from being stored or something
[12:50] <apachelogger> completely empty imap resources in kmail :/
[12:51] <apachelogger> (I used dimap before)
[12:52] <steveire_> Odd
[12:53]  * apachelogger will have to give the dell a call because of overheating problems -.-
[12:54] <steveire_> apachelogger: Do you have akonadiconsole installed?
[12:57] <apachelogger> steveire_: now I do
[13:00] <steveire_> In the first tab does it show some status for the imap resource?
[13:00] <apachelogger> steveire_: ready
[13:01] <apachelogger> also my default calendar, my personal calendar and my default address book seem to have no file set :/
[13:01] <apachelogger> them poor things
[13:05] <steveire_> Can you akonadictl restart and see if you get errors reported?
[13:09] <apachelogger> steveire_: nothing regarding imap
[13:10] <steveire_> Can you check if the log file contains anything interesting?
[13:10] <steveire_> in .kde/share/apps/kmail-migrator
[13:12] <apachelogger> nothing
[13:12] <apachelogger> [Tue Apr 26 12:29:05 2011] Success: Local folders migrated successfully.
[13:12] <apachelogger> [Tue Apr 26 12:29:05 2011] Success: Migration successfully completed.
[13:12] <apachelogger> [Tue Apr 26 12:29:06 2011] Info   : Migration finished.
[13:32] <bambee> in your opinion, it is worth it to apply for season of kde from 30th june to the deadline ? (I am doing an intership which ends around the 30th june)
[13:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^
[13:34] <bambee> apachelogger: I sent an e-mail to lydia this morning
[13:34] <apachelogger> ah
[13:34] <bambee> apparently it's possible, but it's not my question
[13:35] <bambee> in your opinion, it's interesting or not ?
[13:35] <apachelogger> bambee: IMHO it doesnt make much sense
[13:35] <bambee> it's not too short ?
[13:35] <apachelogger> I think it is too short
[13:35] <bambee> mhhh
[13:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does the gsoc team name need to be silly? ^^
[13:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: up to you - but hey it shoudl be fun no? ;-)
[13:39] <apachelogger> the thing is ... when I read silly it hit me like lightning
[13:39] <apachelogger> "the KDE cheeseballs"
[13:39] <Nightrose> lol
[13:39] <apachelogger> which indeed is srsly silly
[13:39] <Nightrose> have your teammates had a say in that? :D
[13:39] <apachelogger> no
[13:39] <apachelogger> writing a mail right now
[13:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, I find the student team approach very likable
[13:40] <Nightrose> :)
[13:40] <Nightrose> i'm kinda excited to see what comes out of it
[13:49] <jussi> kde cheeseballs.... ROFL!!
[14:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how long a post should I throw up regarding KHC?
[14:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: long enough for someone to get the idea and short enough to not have them fall asleep ;-)
[14:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: couldn't I just go like "KHC is shit, needs more intarwebs, needs rewrite, needs sexy gui... here is what I wrote to kde-devel, here is what I proposed as project"?
[14:33] <Nightrose> -.-
[14:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, with proper sentences of course
[14:33] <Nightrose> then probably
[14:34] <apachelogger> but repeating the arguments for why a rewrite would be necessary and what advantages online content integartion has would seem like pointless work
[14:34] <Nightrose> sure
[14:34] <apachelogger> ok
[14:34]  * apachelogger takes his tablet and leaves for coffee and blog authoring
[14:39] <bambee> apachelogger: try to build this code, http://paste.kde.org/33913/ :D
[14:39] <bambee> syntaxically it's correct, it's defined in the C99 norm o_O
[14:40] <bambee> :P
[14:40] <bambee> there are fun things in the norm...
[14:46] <apachelogger> quasseldroid aint doing no urly
[14:49] <apachelogger> bambee is that supposed to look funny?
[14:50] <bambee> ^^
[15:03]  * apachelogger returns from coffee adventures and notes that it is jolly difficult to write good blog posts
[15:03] <apachelogger> now
[15:04] <apachelogger> bambee: about your code snippet... it indeeds is one of the funnier things, then again it probably only is funny because no one does it ^^
[15:05] <apachelogger> bambee: I am a bit shoked that it uses # though :P
[15:06] <bambee> apachelogger: it's funny because syntaxically it's ugly and nobody will understand a code snippet like that, and contradictory it's defined in the norm.
[15:06]  * apachelogger looks for the iso spec
[15:06] <bambee> apachelogger: you can also use %include :P
[15:07] <bambee> apachelogger: for a real nerd it's funny :P
[15:07] <bambee> ^^
[15:08] <apachelogger> a real nerd would not find it funny but go looking for the reason why those :> <: <% %> :% and  :%:% are mapped
[15:09] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digraphs_and_trigraphs
[15:11] <steveire_> Great, now all my computers are running natty
[15:12] <steveire_> apachelogger: Did you resolve the issues with the contacts and events?
[15:13] <ScottK> ISO testing needs to get done people ... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[15:13]  * apachelogger giggles
[15:13] <apachelogger> "Day of the Natty - the new thriller by linda castillo"
[15:13] <apachelogger> steveire_: I did not try, it seems like bogus migration though
[15:14]  * apachelogger is dancing the release tango though
[15:14] <tazz> ok so why is /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ibus-kde breaking my .deb packages? http://paste.ubuntu.com/599313/
[15:14] <tazz> turns out the file belongs to plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus
[15:15] <steveire_> krake is the migration expert
[15:19] <bambee> ScottK: I can help with testing this evening.
[15:19] <ScottK> bambee: Great.
[15:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i have a candidate for khc - told him you'd blog soon
[15:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose++
[15:29] <ScottK> Nightrose: Caution.  apachelogger's blogging 'soon' can be a long time to mere mortals.
[15:29] <bambee> ScottK: testing is the only remaining step ?
[15:29] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:29] <Nightrose> ScottK: heh true that
[15:30]  * apachelogger could be blogging like 7 articles within less than an hour :P
[15:30] <apachelogger> if only I had enough motivation to actually finish them
[15:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: _could_
[15:32] <ScottK> bambee: Also writing release notes, but I think claydoh will handle that.
[15:41] <Riddell> upgrade testing too
[15:41] <Riddell> oh and upgrade notes too
[15:59] <bambee> ScottK: ok
[16:08] <ScottK> Slightly late, KDE 4.5.5 is in maverick-updates.
[16:08] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Worth something on kubuntu.org?
[16:16] <Riddell> ScottK: go for it
[16:19] <ScottK> ryanakca: ^^^
[16:19] <ScottK> I doubt I'll have time today.  Can probably do it late tonight if I can find my password and someone else doesn't get to it first.
[16:38] <agateau> Riddell: hi, how would you feel about a late one-line patch for Qt?
[16:39] <Riddell> agateau: too late for CD images, can do for -proposed
[16:39] <Riddell> what's the change?
[16:40] <agateau> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/jerTUVJt
[16:40] <agateau> Riddell: fixes a memleak the size of a titanic-hull hole in unity-2d-places
[16:42] <ScottK> agateau: SRU.
[16:46] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[16:48] <agateau> nevermind the link by the way, it's absolutely not the patch I was refering to
[16:50] <Riddell> agateau: was about to say...
[16:55] <agateau> Riddell: real patch: http://pastebin.com/s38a45Mt
[17:06] <Riddell> agateau: do you know if there's a bug already open for this?
[17:08] <Riddell> oh yes, it says so in the patch
[17:09] <Riddell> agateau: is this/will this go upstream to Qt?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> mmmm ... hi everyone
[17:23] <Riddell> good evening shadeslayer 
[17:24] <shadeslayer> hey Riddell
[17:25] <Riddell> agateau: uploaded to natty-proposed awaiting approval, please (tell florian) to add a test case to the bug
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any trivial stuff that can be done today?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:28] <shadeslayer> i'll finish off the xorg-edgers and PN stuff today
[17:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ISO testing.
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: out of bandwidth :'(
[17:29] <ScottK> Meh.
[17:29] <shadeslayer> i have upgrades downloading at 12 KBps
[17:29]  * shadeslayer makes the todo page a bit more green
[17:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: when will the release come?
[17:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ping me and I’ll package it
[17:33] <ScottK> I would appreciate it if someone could verify Bug #771281.
[17:34] <apachelogger> bulldog98: already on ktown
[17:34] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i can confirm i have the issue
[17:34]  * shadeslayer is updating sources
[17:34] <bulldog98> apachelogger: btw I heard something about ktown getting closed. Is this only rumor?
[17:35] <Blackmoon> hi i'm under maverick, i've tried to upgrade to natty but i've got an error:   E:Errore, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve ha generato delle interruzioni. Questo potrebbe essere causato da pacchetti bloccati.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i still haz issue
[17:36] <shadeslayer> reporting from 5:63ubuntu16
[17:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You need kubuntu-full 1.222.1.  It won't hit archive.ubuntu.com for another few minutes.
[17:37] <shadeslayer> righto, i was just looking at the publishing page
[17:38] <shadeslayer> oh yayy .. only 77 megs of updates
[17:38] <shadeslayer> win
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: for xorg-edgers and neon, we put in instructions on how to add the PPA and then how to report bugs ?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> against the driver/kwin
[17:41] <shadeslayer> yofel_: fyi apport script is busted for project-neon-kde-workspace, only gives me a dep list
[17:41] <shadeslayer> not very helpful if i want to look at a kdm bug
[17:43] <yofel_> erm, that's all the hook currently collects, nothing else implemented yet
[17:44] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: okay i'm going to ask for a kdm.log and xession-error file then
[17:45] <apachelogger> bulldog98: well, ktown as place to do it all and everything 
[17:45] <yofel> k, busy now, I'll look at it later
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[17:46] <apachelogger> all sorts of shit is running on ktown 
[17:47] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok
[17:47] <bulldog98> apachelogger: is ktown running in ktown aka kaiserslautern?
[17:48] <apachelogger> no
[17:48] <apachelogger> well
[17:48] <apachelogger> maybe
[17:48] <apachelogger> AFAIK it lives in some space ship of novell
[17:49] <yofel> funny enough an IP locator does show ktowns IP to be in Kaiserslautern ^^
[17:52] <apachelogger> scaries
[17:53] <apachelogger> yofel: you are not attending the youdeeess?
[17:54] <yofel> not this one
[17:59] <apachelogger> yofel: too bad :/
[18:05] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do you attend desktopsummit?
[18:05] <apachelogger> o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/o/ http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/phonon-vlc-0-4-0/ \o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o\o
[18:05] <apachelogger> bulldog98: yes
[18:05] <apachelogger> not saturday though as my sis is getting married that day
[18:06] <bulldog98> apachelogger: so I testbuild the new version
[18:08] <bulldog98> apachelogger: kdepim was just branched
[18:13] <bulldog98> apachelogger: where to upload the package?
[18:14] <bulldog98> staging?
[18:15] <apachelogger> I think it can go to -backports
[18:16] <apachelogger> bulldog98: did you move kdepi yet?
[18:16] <apachelogger> m
[18:17] <bulldog98> apachelogger: no
[18:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: rebuild or just copy?
[18:19] <apachelogger> rbld is always saver
[18:20] <bulldog98> launchpad is giving me an error
[18:20] <bulldog98> launchpad requires the REFERER header
[18:21] <apachelogger> launchpad <3
[18:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: how can I fix this
[18:22] <apachelogger> dunno
[18:22] <apachelogger> bulldog98: best ask in #launchpad
[18:28] <bulldog98> apachelogger: could you please move kdepim since it’s not possible for me atm
[18:37] <bulldog98> apachelogger: oh I forgot to add the ~ppa1
[18:37] <bulldog98> for phonon-backend-vlc
[19:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: issue not resolved :(
[19:05] <shadeslayer> this is on 1.222.1
[19:05] <apachelogger> bulldog98: in a bit
[19:05] <shadeslayer> and resizing konsole still kills my laptop :/
[19:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger we can haz for Kubuntu ? http://try-ubuntu-beta.ec42.net/
[19:12] <apachelogger> no
[19:13] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but whaaii ? 
[19:13]  * shadeslayer is hungry
[19:13]  * shadeslayer eats Java for dinner
[19:13] <apachelogger> I think you will need to ask stgraber
[19:14] <apachelogger> AFAIK he kicked off that stuff with edubuntu
[19:14] <shadeslayer> iirc yes
[19:18] <shadeslayer> debfx: it works for you?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> kde-full i mean
[19:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: p0ke
[19:30] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: syn
[19:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: synack
[19:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[19:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: coming to the Desktop summit?
[19:31] <apachelogger> "hello, I am a server"
[19:31]  * apachelogger giggles
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, markey promised to marry me
[19:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how long are you staying?
[19:32] <markey> haha
[19:32] <markey> yeah riiiight
[19:32] <shadeslayer> markey: should i bring gifts?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:32] <apachelogger> until I believing again
[19:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whole week
[19:32] <apachelogger> supposedly leaving on monday or somesuch
[19:32] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: do you come?
[19:33] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: Most probably
[19:33] <apachelogger> unless there is reason to not be leaving, like markey wants to spend our honeymoon in berlin
[19:33] <bulldog98> lol
[19:33] <shadeslayer> nah ... i thought markey was romantic
[19:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: he'll take you to paris
[19:33] <apachelogger> berlin is romantic
[19:34] <apachelogger> you got all them arts there
[19:34] <shadeslayer> not more than paris
[19:34] <apachelogger> sure
[19:34] <apachelogger> well, of the good arts anyway
[19:34] <apachelogger> paris is just cheesy
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you're arriving on ?
[19:34] <apachelogger> which would work as I am about to form the KDE cheeseball team
[19:34] <shadeslayer> 31st or 1st ?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: should I be worrid if my team of awesome has not yet replied (after 6 hours)?
[19:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sunday
[19:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they were probably killed by a elite team of ninjas
[19:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sent by the gnomies :P
[19:35] <apachelogger> pfff
[19:35] <apachelogger> jahava witnesses ftw!
[19:35] <shadeslayer> now i'll have nightmares
[19:35] <shadeslayer> you just said the j word
[19:36] <debfx> shadeslayer: kubuntu-full, yes
[19:36] <shadeslayer> debfx: weird, i still can't get it to install
[19:36] <shadeslayer> maybe because i haz experimental installed?
[19:36] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: don’t you like java (was my first programming language)
[19:36] <bulldog98> then I learned C++ for a good reason :)
[19:36] <apachelogger> my first programming language was ada
[19:36] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: too many main functions for my comfort
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Borland C++ was my first programming language
[19:37] <apachelogger> ah
[19:37] <shadeslayer> which is complete shit i might add
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you saw bambee's code of interest today?
[19:37] <apachelogger> something for you to learn
[19:37] <shadeslayer> code of what?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> where?
[19:37] <apachelogger> as your college surely does not tell you that sorta thing
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/33913/
[19:38] <apachelogger> that reminds me of a book I am reading
[19:38] <shadeslayer> magic
[19:38] <apachelogger> the magical manmonth
[19:38] <apachelogger> with space or some such
[19:38] <shadeslayer> that looks like MagiK to me
[19:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes!
[19:38] <apachelogger> very good read
[19:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what the question was I do not remember
[19:38] <apachelogger> oh
[19:38] <apachelogger> ahhhh
[19:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: srsly?
[19:38]  * apachelogger freaks out a bit
[19:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where are you staying?
[19:39] <apachelogger> gmail: search! in:spam gsoc
[19:39] <apachelogger> nothing there
[19:39]  * apachelogger freaks out a bit moar
[19:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on top of markey
[19:39] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[19:39] <shadeslayer> ok i'm definitely coming to see that
[19:39] <markey> rofl
[19:40] <markey> you pig
[19:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do you plan to do about Mamarok ?
[19:40] <apachelogger> markey: we could make the monies out of letting people watch it would appear
[19:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why?
[19:40] <apachelogger> the three of us are an item, dont you know
[19:41] <apachelogger> very modern relationship that is
[19:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ...?
[19:41]  * shadeslayer is still hungry after eating the javaz ... turn to eat pyth0rn
[19:41]  * apachelogger is starting to get scared
[19:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: take a deeo breath
[19:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: beware the pyth0rnz
[19:41] <Nightrose> *deep
[19:41] <apachelogger> they might be eating you
[19:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: so it is not to worry?
[19:41]  * Nightrose needs to do thesis review
[19:41] <Nightrose> for serious
[19:41] <shadeslayer> no
[19:42] <Nightrose> deadline on monday
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm certain i'm eating them
[19:42] <apachelogger> cause if I had won gsoc I would be all over the place and answerign emails everywhere
[19:42] <apachelogger> oh, I did that actually ^^
[19:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:42] <apachelogger> might also be because I got bored while waiting for release stuff to proceed
[19:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ohhhhhh, good looks *hugs* *kisses* *sendbacktowork*
[19:43] <Nightrose> :)
[19:43] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you could write an announcement for kdepim beta 5 :P
[19:43] <apachelogger> for that I am too drunk
[19:43] <apachelogger> also I am codering right now
[19:45] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i'd have to take a flight to Frankfurt and then to Berlin i guess, right? ( From Delhi, India )
[19:45] <bulldog98> apachelogger: would http://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit/2011-04/alkohol-sucht-studie apply to you?
[19:45] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I guess that to
[19:45] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I also have to go to Frankfurt before traveling with DB to Berlin
[19:46] <shadeslayer> hmm'
[19:48] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:48] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i'm being routed via Russia :P
[19:49] <shadeslayer> DEL -> SVO -> SXF
[19:49] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm
[19:49] <shadeslayer> i wonder if thats the right airport tho
[19:50] <shadeslayer> there's SXF, TXL and BER
[19:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ which is the right one?
[19:51] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: last year I would have been able to fly with rynair to berlin for 20 € but they stopped that service so I have to go by train
[19:51] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[19:52] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: this is like 520  € 
[19:52] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: SXF there are trains every 30 mins in direction to center
[19:52] <shadeslayer> ah kewl
[19:53] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: hahah ... everything is routed via Russia
[19:53] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: by train I have to pay 42 € and 6 € for every other person
[19:53] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm
[19:53] <shadeslayer> sweet 
[19:55] <apachelogger> I think SXF or TXL are fine
[19:59] <shadeslayer> hmm.. flights look pretty cheap
[20:06] <bambee> apachelogger: my code ?
[20:06] <bambee> (I was eating, so I just did read the message now)
[20:06] <shadeslayer> bambee: your magical code
[20:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:08] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: have you booked an hotel already?
[20:08] <bambee> :P
[20:08] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i'll be applying to KDE e.V
[20:08] <shadeslayer> so i think they make the arrangements, the picture is a bit blurry right now
[20:09] <bulldog98> ok I’ll pay it (not to much should be less than 200 €)
[20:09] <bulldog98> my own of cause
[20:14] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: uh, what? did you mean that you'll be paying for yourself?
[20:16] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes
[20:17] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[20:17]  * shadeslayer noms on some cookies
[20:17] <bulldog98> I don’t have money to pay other persons bill (if it’s higher than 50 €)
[20:17]  * bulldog98 has to do some work to pay the desktop summit attending
[20:21] <bambee> I can participate to UDS remotely, unfortunately I cannot drink a beer with you remotely :'(
[20:22]  * bambee will drink alone
[20:22] <apachelogger> we are not drinking beer while doing remote things
[20:23] <apachelogger> that is the reason I need to stay up late and drink, so that I get through the day
[20:23] <apachelogger> it all makes sense