[00:06] How would one go about getting a package's dependencies changed? [00:19] help! My dorm switched to 802.1x authentification and knetworkmanager seems to be broken since ages, what can I do? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209673 [00:19] KDE bug 209673 in Wireless "knetworkmanager applet (NOT THE PLASMOID) can't connect to WPA PEAP when validating by CA certificate" [Normal,Assigned] [00:34] Hi all. Does anyone know of a program or configuration that can change the color of the task panel entries based on what virtual desktop they are on? === kyle__ is now known as MrKyle [01:41] So... I used to be able to send Quassel to the tray, now it's bundled in this message center and I can't do that. what gives? [02:00] good evening peeps. i just installed kubuntu 11 on my netbook, as it's prior installation was dead, and i hada kubuntu usb stick lying around .. and .. this interface is .. nightmarish. is there any way to relatively quickly return to a more "traditional" interface? [02:01] EricBlade-mobile: system settings > workspace behaviour > workspace > workspace type [02:03] James147: oh good god that is about a million times better, if i can work out a way to significantly decrease the size of all the icons and stuff in that task bar .. thank you SO much [02:04] EricBlade-mobile: right clcik the panel > panel settings > drag "height" (assuming widgets are unlocked) [02:04] that "netbook" interface might be alright on a touch screen tablet, but it's super bad otherwise [02:04] EricBlade-mobile: its not :) you just have to use it differently [02:05] auto maximizing everything is just a bad bad plan though :) === ironfroggy_ is now known as Guest91729 [02:05] EricBlade-mobile: why? when screen space is limited then why would you want windows unmaximised? [02:06] even dialog boxes? notification popups? file transfer windows? [02:07] dialogboxes dont really matter most the time, and transfer window and notification are not on mine [02:07] and a lot of stuff on the stock apps that i triedd would end up off screen, until i unmaximized them [02:08] and resized [02:08] really? dosnt happen here... [02:08] you on natty? [02:08] is that 11? [02:08] 11.04 [02:09] yea [02:09] crap [02:09] i hit resize, and it only goes at default size or 0, and 0 crashes it [02:10] ah there it is after it restarted it started moving smooth [02:12] ok well im in much better shape now thank you so much, again [02:13] now time to do the 500mb update :) [02:14] hopefully i can remove everything having to do with printers and save 900mb of space like i did on my last distro [02:16] EricBlade-mobile: is saving 900mb worth the effort? how big is you hd? [02:16] 4gig [02:17] :) then probally [02:17] i haven'[t used a printer more than twice in the last decade [02:18] maybe i can figure out how to mount /usr on my sdcard, but it didn't seem like an easy task on the last setup i had, since the usb drive wouldn't mount until after /usr was loaded [02:18] er, not /usr, i mean /home [02:19] EricBlade-mobile: if you add an entry to /etc/fstab then it should be mounted before the system boots [02:20] i'll look into it again, i seem to recall there was some problem with dynamic naming of something or other, it's been a year or two since i looked into that [02:21] EricBlade-mobile: I would use UUID to refence it, then there is no problem with that [02:22] i was quite happy with my eeebuntu install, but one day it just stopped networking and the only indication of the problem was "Failed" when trying to insmod the atheros drivers [02:22] kubuntu booted right up and started networking so now it's on here :) [02:24] this is a really nice tiny irc client, this quassel. if i could get rid of the timestamps that'd be awesome [02:25] I think you can [02:25] and the default fonts here are -definitely- superior to what i had before === Guest91729 is now known as ironfroggy__ [02:45] in order to get online at the universtity, the tech had to change some rekonq settings, and then he pressed make changes permanent, before i could tell him to just do it for the session. how do i undo the "invalid certificate" redirect changes he made? [02:46] I cant sync my iphone but i can mount it and pull pic off it [03:00] hmm.. the sound volume on here is bad .. with the mixer set to all max .. any suggestions? my old instal was much louder === v is now known as vorian === toni is now known as toni_munthi === toni_munthi is now known as Toni^Munthi === gary_ is now known as Guest51842 === gary_ is now known as Guest41511 [07:37] Can I ask about Wubi here, or is that better for #ubuntu? I figured since I'm trying to install Kubuntu that I should ask here.. === ArchangelSe7en is now known as DeadLine === |GuS| is now known as [GuS] === coaboa_ is now known as coaboa [10:15] ssh="/etc/mercurial/hgrc.d/" - ssh -i "/home/emir/Private/EmirRepositorijum/emir_private_key_putty.ppk" === sreevathsa is now known as srinix === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT [12:00] anyone know how to get default capture device preferences to save? i can reorder them and click apply but if i leave and come back they haven't actually changed [12:02] ah nm, it's only a bug in beta 2, will wait for release [12:17] I have a server currently connected to my lan and isp. It is my gateway, dhcp server, firewall, etc... I need to connect to another network. Added card and when I set the card to dhcp, it gets same IP as my internal NIC. Can someone assist me with configuring it? [12:54] Hi, i have installed kubuntu some days ago and now i've got a problem. I'm using two screens, which have different resolutions, but every time I reboot, the resolutions get reseted. Any advice? [12:55] !find randr [12:55] Found: libxcb-randr0, libxcb-randr0-dbg, libxcb-randr0-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxrandr2, libxrandr2-dbg, x11proto-randr-dev, arandr, gnome-randr-applet, grandr (and 1 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=randr&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all [12:55] !info arandr [12:55] arandr (source: arandr): Simple visual front end for XRandR 1.2. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.3-1 (maverick), package size 43 kB, installed size 280 kB [12:56] ok thx i'll try the packages [12:58] i've saved the layout, and it'll get loaded automatically when i reboot or do i have to change something first? === moonflux_ is now known as moonflux [13:01] Hi everyone.... I Wanted to ask you one question , it it isnt a problem... I cant find Turn off button in my Kubuntu? Any tips? [13:02] Hey somebody there for answering me a little question? [13:02] Hi everyone.... I Wanted to ask you one question , it it isnt a problem... I cant find Turn off button in my Kubuntu? Any tips? [13:03] @mila normaly its in your kmenu [13:04] @mila try Kmenu => leave => shutdown [13:04] @darkrex1986 I have only logoff hibrenate and switch user [13:05] ok I rebooted but it still came up as a clone of the first screen with reseted resolutions [13:06] @mila witch version are you currently runnig ? 10.10? [13:06] yes [13:07] @darex1986 Yes Maverik... I had Gnome then i installed the KDE [13:10] mila do you have the kmenu? it is in there... there is also a button for lock/power you can add [13:11] @mila i think thats the problem, do you want to use kde permanetly ? or is it just for playing around with it ? because if you want to use kde productive i would prefer to install kubuntu instead of ubuntu [13:12] I have menu for kubuntu... but how to see if it is kmenu? [13:13] I have leave with hibrnate, sleep logoff swithch and thats all [13:14] Is there any terminal Command that i can use to turn off comp to make it like script or something? [13:14] @mila sure sudo halt [13:15] @mila or sudo reboot for reboot [13:15] ok thanks i appriciated [13:15] np [13:18] did somebody know if today is patch day or something like? Cause my KPackageKit told me to upgrade 168 Files, including kde-base and so on === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT === sreevathsa is now known as srinix === sreevathsa is now known as srinix [13:45] i downloaded vmware from oracle and install it but it doesnt work... [13:45] like qemu and virtualbox [13:45] any sugestion [13:45] Oracle doesn't do VMWare, it does VirtualBox. [13:46] And virtualbox-ose is in the repos. [13:46] il check [13:46] yes [13:47] none of the virtual machines work . tahts wierd [13:47] it rusns but when i create a virtual machine it stays ... and stays ..... [13:47] a lot ... it creates i run and it stays black [13:47] on vmware [13:48] the others dont even create the vdisk [13:50] what could be .. im new on this [13:53] No idea, sorry. I'd try purging the VMWare install and re-installing it. [13:56] ok thanks [13:59] How much RAM do you have in your machine and how much are you alloting to the virtual machine? Are you driving your system into swapping/thrashing? === Pici` is now known as Pici [14:48] hello [14:59] hi === sreevathsa is now known as srinix [15:06] Hi, does anyone has an advice where i can find a good how-to for setting up en xorg.conf file, cause i'm using a grphiccard and an on-board chip [15:06] mycle: what graphics card? [15:07] mycle: ^^ most no longer need an xorg.conf file and it is becomming deprcated [15:08] one is an readon 5670 and the onboard chip is a nvidia, but i look it up in a second [15:09] lspci | grep VGA should tell you which chipset [15:09] 1024 MB ATI Radeon HD 5670 [15:09] ok thx [15:09] but if its nvidia then use the nvidia tools to configure it, dont create an xorg.conf manually :p "sudo nvidia-xconfig" will create an xorg.conf file and "kdesudo nvidia-settings" will let you configure it === |GuS| is now known as [GuS] [15:10] ^^ though that wont work for ati [15:10] nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] [15:10] ati has similar tools but I do not know them [15:11] ^^ that is assuming you want to use the proprity drivers, the open ones dont need an xorg.conf [15:12] ok cool, and yes the other problem is i have connected on screen to the nvidia chip and two screens to the ati card, but every time i reboot the resolution of the two ati screen is set back to 1024x768 and the are clones of each other instead of extends like i configured in the session befor [15:12] ah ok [15:13] nvidia-xconfig isnt installed yet [15:13] in which package do i find it? [15:14] mycle: it is installed with the nvidia drivers [15:15] mycle: though i dont know how the tools with work with each other... i have never seen someone use two different graphics cards before :p [15:15] (at least from different manufactures) [15:15] ok but till now the screen connected to the nvidia chip isn't used so i guess the drivers hadn't been installed by default, only the drivers for the ati card [15:16] xD yes, maybe it's a bit strange [15:16] mycle: the other possibaility (which i find more likly) is that you cannot use tow different cards at once .... I have never seen it done or know if it possible tjhough [15:16] and the open driver should be installed [15:16] on windows it worked out pretty well, and when windows can do it im sure there is a solution on linux too [15:17] is anyone else having dbus-daemon eat up a shitload of CPU cycles? [15:31] Hey folks [15:54] hi is there anyway to open Word documents on kubuntu? === sergio_ is now known as segovia [15:54] surunveri: openoffice [15:54] surunveri, install open office or libre office [15:55] BluesKaj: do you need to install it? [15:57] surunveri, look in the kmenu /apps/ office ...it might be there [15:59] James147, hmm, now I'm not sure if it's installed by default , memory fails me [16:00] BluesKaj: I think openoffice is before natty, and lier on natty, though i am unsure about natty :p [16:00] liber [16:00] ^^ [16:02] OO is Libre on natty , James147 [16:02] BluesKaj: thats what I thought... and I presume it would be isntalled by default [16:03] and you're correct , OO is installed by default on 10.10 [16:07] hmm so how do i install OO? [16:07] I seldom use OO ...had enuff of office suites when i was still working...in my real work I always found them totally unecessaryand a pita tho I had to use them for lab reports etc I still hated them [16:08] BluesKaj: i use latex when i need to do reports :) [16:08] surunveri, open a terminal , sudo apt-get install openoffice [16:08] surunveri: it should be install already if your on 10.10 or eairler [16:09] hmm that doesnt owrk [16:09] !details [16:09] Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [16:09] it ujst says no such package [16:10] surunveri: check your menu, it should already be installed (under application > office .... there should be one called "word processor" or similar) [16:11] there's a menu called office [16:11] but there isnt a word processor.. unless you mean okular? === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT [16:11] no... hmm [16:12] surunveri: what version of kubuntu? [16:12] i dont remember [16:12] :D [16:12] then try "openoffice.org" [16:12] i installed it 1 year ago [16:12] which i hope i hadnt done though :D [16:12] but it's too late now [16:13] ^^ install that is, try installing openoffice.org [16:14] yeah that works [16:14] =) [16:24] !info nomodeset [16:24] Package nomodeset does not exist in maverick [16:30] * BluesKaj realizes that nomodeset isn't a package but I thought there might be a factoid about using it [16:32] BluesKaj: then dont use info ^^ from what i can see that only looks up info about packages [16:34] James147, well the !nomodeset doesn't give any info either :) [16:35] then i guess there isnt any info :( [16:36] I wish there were factoids with small tutorials [16:36] do this do that in case of.... [16:37] BluesKaj: feel free to submit them, or write a wiki page and submit that to the bot. [16:41] Pici, yeah , there are some on the google-linux searches , but I'm sure there's a required evaluation etc [16:48] can anyone help me get multiple xservers running on startup? i think i want the Xservers file but can't find anything with that name [16:48] liekzomg, do you mean multiple screens ? [16:49] Or multiple users? [16:49] BluesKaj: No, multiple users, like alt+f8 for 2nd kdm [16:49] liekzomg: why not use "switch user"? [16:50] liekzomg: Try the "Leave" menu item. It has a "Switch User" option to do what you want. [16:50] sorry guys but I really do want multiple xservers, not just the ability to change users [16:51] liekzomg: switch users starts a new x session ^^ === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT [16:52] James147: cool, anyway I can get it on startup without having to login? [16:53] liekzomg: not sure [16:54] * DarthFrog just found out that right-clicking on the desktop and selecting "Leave" boots him out of KDE and doesn't bring up the Leave menu. :-) [16:54] James147: TY anyway man, it's a starting point :) [16:54] DarthFrog: i think you can toggle that [16:55] (like just about everything in kde :D ) [16:55] James147: I probably toggled it to that behaviour and forgot I had done so. That's exactly the kind of thing I'd do. :-) [16:59] When ever I use my mouse wheel on the desktop, it switches virtual desktops ... where do I turn this off? [16:59] It's really annoying ... [17:00] mr-rich: right-click on desktop [17:00] desktop settings [17:00] mouse actions [17:01] delete/change vertical scroll [17:01] It might be called Folder View Settings instead of Desktop Settings. === Chatvakti-707758 is now known as masal [17:02] oh, i forgot to ask what desktop environment you use. my commands would be for kde. sorry for that. [17:03] woife: So am I. [17:04] woife: given this is the kubuntu channel it generally safe to assume they are using kde :) [17:04] :) [17:05] woife: That worked ... ty ... and being that this is #kubuntu, I'm using KDE ... [17:11] hola a todos [17:12] alguien me podría ayudar con los parámetros de inicio VGA=xxx, ya que mi monitor no puede mostrar mas de 800x600 [17:13] !es | Quiquedsti [17:13] Quiquedsti: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [17:15] OK. Somebody can help me please. I need help with boot parameter VGA=xxx. my monitor don't show more than 800x600 [17:16] My old ipod died on me now im trying to use my iphone for my music with linux I can get the phone to mount through usd (I dont have my bluetooth on me now) I can pull photos off it but when i open a application to sync my iphone with like rhythmbox it finds it then closes down real fast [17:22] Hey all :)) Can any1 tell me where can i find list of compatible games for Linux for exapmle like GTA, or similar hight budget games,? [17:22] Any1? [17:23] GTA isnt a linux compatable game ^^ [17:23] mila: it can be run through wine, so if your looking for similar games then i suggest wines appdb [17:23] !wine [17:23] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT [17:36] Hi, what is the command to open google chrome with a specific page? [17:36] Any idea? [17:37] Chris_H: "chromium page" [17:37] ie chromium www.google.com [17:38] http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95314 [17:38] at chris [17:39] James147: ok, thanks [17:39] uh command? [17:39] uh ignore me [17:40] Chris_H: run "chromium --help" for more info [17:41] Anyone happen to know the best way to get around a bittorrent block that a school server places? =P [17:41] tor ^^ [17:41] I tried that D: [17:41] Linkmaster: though they can still tell its bittorrent traffic if they look jhard enough [17:41] The only thing that works is ultrasurf, but I can't configure any torrenting to work with it [17:42] James147: Thanks. And how do I play a sound? I have the sound file, but I do not know the command [17:42] I am configuring a plasmoid [17:42] Chris_H: "aplay --help" === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:43] which plasmoid? [17:45] lol the timer app. I am doing a online project and I am trying to time it and I would like to play a sound when it times out. [17:45] KDE quite cool [17:46] Whats yoru favorite point of KDE? [17:46] Plasma desktop, activities and the virtual desktop. All come in handy very well [17:47] I agree with that. The plasma desktop is..powerful, to say the least. Someone knows what they are doing, the sky is pretty much the limits [17:50] And most of all, Kubuntu seems to boot and work faster than Windows 7. Thats why switched over, I hate waiting... [17:52] It does, I tried it on my netbook that I'm running right now. Well, in theory that is: XP boots faster then 7 does, and I tested it out; XP took ~36 seconds to the login screen, and an additional minute for the desktop to load up to functional use. Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE4.6.2 took ~24 seconds to KDM, with an additional 20 some seconds for the splash and functional desktop to load === epzil0n is now known as Guest46227 [17:57] hmm, I am using KDE 4.5, and I think mine boots quicker than that. ( about 9 seconds from grub to login) [17:58] I'm also using a netbook thats a good two years old [17:58] and are you measuring from power on or from grub Linkmaster? [17:58] My RAM tops out at 992MiB [17:59] I'm measuring from hitting enter on the partition I want to start from grub [18:04] is kde.org down? [18:04] I need to get some food, talk to you guys in a bit. Though, before I put 4.6 on my computer, I noticed that 4.5 was more glitchy. Just observations though [18:04] I believe it could be, its not loading for me [18:05] ok === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT [18:26] I'm back === Pici is now known as Guest67539 === Pici` is now known as Pici [19:12] anyone knows why my PC has a lot of kio_http openned, and when I open rekonq, it begins working slow? if I close, it continues working slow, so I have no idea what's the problem === mren|off is now known as mren === rodrigo is now known as bobmauley [19:41] guys, any good guitar's tablatures/partitures editor and plauer like TuxGuitar but for KDE? [19:43] BlouBlou, I had a problem with "speech-dispatch". It would launch and use up 80-100% of my cpu , so I deleted it , but I see it's back after several updates..it no longer hogs the cpu [19:45] BlouBlou, what about windows apps for tablature that run on wine [19:46] for example guitar pro? No thanks, I really dislike it [19:47] hi. i have accidentally deleted some important file. now, after the logon, i can only see a black screen. i need your help [19:48] i have probably uninstalled some desktop package [19:49] So what important files did you delete [19:50] beppe, are you on the livecd ? [19:50] BlouBlou: Yes there was one [19:51] I cannot recall the name though [19:51] fragileX: i didnt properly delete a file, probaby i have uninstalled some plasma package [19:51] BluesKaj: i'm on another pc [19:51] beppe: what did you do? [19:51] You said you deleted then you said you uninstalled [19:51] that's two different things with different fixes [19:52] beppe, uninstalling a plasma package likely will not cause your problem, it's related to your graphics driver or HW [19:53] BluesKaj: If he uninstalled plasma-desktop,it could cause the black screen. [19:54] Daskreech: there was a group of blocked updates. the package which blocked them was kscreensavers-xsavers, or something like that. I wanted totemporary uninstall it, and the system asked me to uninstall other packages. i accepted... [19:54] beppe: can You login to the command line on that computer? [19:54] now i'm in the recovery mode [19:54] DarthFrog, uhmm yeah , but I doubt that's what he did [19:55] BluesKaj: probably that's what i did, instead!.. [19:55] beppe: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [19:55] i'm in front of the cl [19:55] beppe, then do the above ^ :) [19:55] Daskreech: sudo apt-get .... :-) [19:56] DarthFrog: recovery mode drops you in as root [19:56] Daskreech: It does? Well, live and learn. :-) [19:56] beppe: It should say it's installing a set of packages [19:56] DarthFrog: Break and learn [19:57] Daskreech: The School of Hard Knocks is indeed an excellent teacher. :-) [19:57] It says it's impossible to reach the webserver, and recover packages === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT [19:58] beppe: Try "service networking start" first. [19:58] i'm not with the last kubuntu [19:58] beppe: do you have a wired or wireless connection? [19:59] DarthFrog: i should write this on the cl? [19:59] James147: wireless. [19:59] Wireless? It won't work. :-( [19:59] beppe: can you easly get a wired connection? [19:59] sure [20:00] beppe: its possible to connect via wireless, but its allot more complacated on the comand line :0 [20:01] ok now i'm cabled [20:02] beppe: try rerunning the command Daskreech gave you [20:03] And if you're still unable to connect, try the service command I gave earlier. [20:03] ok, it's downloading... [20:03] How many partitions can I have on a disk with MBR? 4? (3 primary and 1 extended?) [20:03] MK``: Yes [20:03] MK``: 4 primary... way more then you need logical [20:03] :P ok thanks [20:03] James147: 4 primary allows for no logical. [20:04] ^^ yeah, ment at most 4 primary ^^ [20:04] and I can have as many logical within the extended? [20:04] but each primary can be an extended and hole allot more logical [20:04] MK``: in theory yes but most implementations cap you at 255 [20:05] :O not too many situations where "FF" can be both accurate and an expression of frustration [20:05] but thanks [20:05] it asks for replacing kdmrc file with the default one [20:05] You can just run bsd tools and cut your disk up into thousands of partitions [20:05] beppe: That's fine [20:05] beppe: say yes to reset kdm to its default settings [20:05] beppe: no otherwise [20:05] beppe: Did you change your kdm file? [20:05] if you didn't then replacing is ok [20:05] dont even know what it is.... [20:06] beppe: the login maanger [20:06] beppe: I should clarify [20:06] beppe: that' the login screen [20:06] beppe: if you changed it at all and want to keep your settings say no [20:06] did you change the theme or anything on it? [20:06] ok, i give Y [20:06] if you just changed the theme you can just redo that after [20:07] if you don't remember changing anything then replacing with the default is a safe move [20:07] don't know if it's sage but ... :) [20:07] ok, it finished. should i reboot? i give halt or something similar? [20:07] beppe: if you exit recovery mode it should ask if you want to continue a normal boot [20:07] so try that [20:08] Just press CTL-D. [20:08] so how do i exit recovery mode? it's the first time i sue it.. [20:08] CTL-D [20:08] beppe: ctrl+d or type "logout" or "exit" [20:08] MK``: If you do cut up your disks into a few thousand partitions can you for a laugh format them as FAT32 then boot into windows and watch it freak out? :) thanks [20:08] not logout... sorry :0 [20:08] beppe: exit [20:08] eh [20:09] beppe: or press Ctrl+D [20:09] Daskreech: You're evil! I like that in you. :-) [20:13] DarthFrog: Windows is so restrictive and inconsistent it is a source of yearly amusement and amazement for me [20:14] Apple is restrictive but only in it's front end tools and almost never arbitrarily. It is very consistent though [20:14] Linux is totally unrestricted and wildly inconsistent but at least it's consistent in that respect :) [20:15] MK``: Sorry did I lose you somewhere? I can explain if you like [20:15] Daskreech, and Apple is extremely proprietary [20:15] no I got it all [20:15] BluesKaj: No they are not [20:16] I was just repartitioning a disk and wanted to know the limit :P [20:16] oh? [20:16] Personally, I'd love to watch a Windows machine freak out. It gives me hours of fun [20:16] This is a 250GB disk I just lost all the data on... so I am formatting and repartitioning it. [20:16] Well, if your doing that, you can spend the extra couple hours to install windows, cut it into a million peices, and give us the rundown of M$'s heart attack :P [20:17] MK``: Ouch did you run testdisk on it? [20:17] BluesKaj: The kernel and about 1/4 of the core aspects of Apple are all open [20:18] Daskreech: it's entirely encrypted, so either the volume header got corrupted, or my memory failed me since the password was very complex. I honestly don't know which it was, but it wasn't taking my password [20:18] Webkit of course is open but KDE/GPL forced them to do that [20:18] so I just formatted it, I can't be arsed to stress over it [20:18] Daskreech, compared to MS, Apple certainly is [20:18] DarthFrog: James147: Daskreech: all is working now. thank you so much [20:18] MK``: Oh dear. That's always been my worry about encryption. recovery in disaster [20:18] beppe: You ar welcome [20:18] beppe: Glad to hear it. [20:19] * BluesKaj suspects Daskreech is an Imac/Ipad owner :) [20:19] Daskreech: Keep a copy of your key on a USB stick. [20:19] BluesKaj: No specifically in comparison to MS they are not. The core working aspects of MS are all closed. The core working aspects of Apple are all open [20:19] However Apple is selling you the pretty parts at the end [20:20] In KDE speak they are not selling you Ubuntu server they are selling you Plasma [20:20] uhmm yeah, and that's what I mant [20:20] meant [20:20] For MS none of that stack is open or ever will be [20:20] what I'm going to do instead is just use encrypted file containers :/ [20:20] And if the Mac OS X wasn't based on Darwin (which itself is based on FreeBSD), then even that would be completely closed. [20:21] Daskreech, but do we care ...I'm talking about apps etc [20:21] plus they have taken steps to stop you from rebuilding it even if you wanted to [20:21] BluesKaj: MS doesn't have that many open apps. certainly not any consumer ones worth anything [20:21] Personally, I like Linux. It results in zero issues from anybody other then yourself [20:22] Apple is a very stylish, charming, handsome tyrant. But tyrant nontheless. [20:22] I've always taken MS open sourcing something as either they want to get someone inside of MS to stop working on it so that would appease them or they want brownie points [20:22] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10113278-16.html , for those who are interested [20:22] ^Valid point [20:23] DarthFrog: actually Apple a) chose to use BSD though they had a closed system and b) can still have it propietary on a BSD system since the BSD license allows this. [20:23] And Ubuntu is trying to become a very stylish, charming and handsome freedom fighter. :-) [20:23] Windows Vista is built on BSD tech but it's more closed than Apple OSX [20:24] What bugs me more is Google using openness as a selling point when the Android really isn't all that open :/ [20:24] Ubuntu IS stylish, charming, and it certainly is worrying MS/Apple [20:24] BluesKaj: a) that's opinion b) that's on the mobile devices :) [20:24] who is from iran? [20:24] who is from iran? [20:24] who is from iran? [20:24] who is from iran? [20:24] ebrahim: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [20:24] hello all [20:25] hellllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [20:25] baba salam kardamaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [20:25] kasy khune nist [20:25] ? [20:25] Daskreech, guess I should have specified...wasn't referring to the unix /bsd aspects [20:26] blueskaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj [20:26] Hello [20:26] !ir | ebrahim [20:26] ebrahim: #ubuntu-ir baraye Farsi zabanan mibashad ke channele rasmie goroohe Iran-ie ubuntu ast. #ubuntu-ir برای فارسی زبانان می‌باشد که کانال رسمی گروه ایرانی اوبونتو است. [20:26] ebrahim, it's ok w see you [20:26] Gotta go, laters guys [20:27] look [20:27] i dont speak english [20:27] :( [20:27] !ir | ebrahim [20:27] ebrahim: #ubuntu-ir baraye Farsi zabanan mibashad ke channele rasmie goroohe Iran-ie ubuntu ast. #ubuntu-ir برای فارسی زبانان می‌باشد که کانال رسمی گروه ایرانی اوبونتو است. [20:27] can you speak persain [20:27] ebrahim: #ubuntu-ir [20:27] BluesKaj: ah in that case maybe [20:28] So, kubuntu isn't seeing my wireless NIC, it seems. I know it's linux compatible, puppy supports it out of the box. [20:28] Spaz_Dynamic, which chip ? [20:29] lspci reports bcm4318 [20:29] fw-cutter or something? 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