[00:01] unity unity unity... [00:02] Anyone know how to disable indexing of certain directories in Unity? [00:02] hello [00:03] Hi, all. I'm using 11.04 on my Sager NP3101, same as the system76 Ultrathin Lemur, and I am having trouble with my webcam lagging. Can anyone help? [00:04] try using cheese [00:05] its a webcam program [00:05] nvisioncg, mm I havent even tried my webcam on natty yet,, sorry I dont think i can help... which video card is onborad? and how do you like the system76 systmes? [00:05] I am not using system76. I am using a Sager, the same notebook though. [00:05] I have used Cheese [00:05] ah ok and which video card is onboard>? [00:06] nvisioncg, please define 'lagging'. :) are you using appropriate lighting? [00:06] I can get the camera working but its lagging, low framerate, even in lighted conditions [00:06] nvisioncg, in terminal lspci | grep -i vga [00:07] nvisioncg, I only get a reasonable framerate in full daylight, no matter if I run windows with the official drivers or linux. but if you get a bad framerate in full daylight, it sounds like there may be something wrong indeed. [00:07] INtel GMA HD [00:07] nvisioncg, that is the readout of that command??? [00:07] full readout [00:07] no, that is my card [00:08] aha yofel [00:08] i just bumped into your ppa [00:08] nvisioncg, in terminal lspci | grep -i vga [00:08] with powertop 1.97 :D [00:08] nvisioncg, this might shock you, but there's more than 1 intel gma HD chipset [00:08] did you add it for the power "bug"? [00:08] nvisioncg, and paste the entire readout here [00:08] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18) [00:08] ffuck you [00:08] ooo [00:08] omai [00:09] nvisioncg, mm let me check if there are issues with that particular revisioin . hold on [00:12] it looks like the specific integrated graphics is GMA X4500MHD [00:12] Since I upgraded to natty, minidlna has ceased to function correctly. I see the appropriate folders from my WDTV Live, as before, but it complains there's no media now. Nothing had changed in my minidlna setup, which worked before the natty upgrade. [00:13] Ian_Corne: nope, just wanted to try it since it's an almost complete rewrite of the app, takes a bit getting used to but shows much more details than before [00:14] nvisioncg, I am not finding any specific issues with that revision ... [00:14] nvisioncg, however you may want to look here http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html and see if any issues or fixes or tests can be performed [00:15] UVC should work with the webcam. It's Chicony webcam [00:15] task [00:17] Does Screenlets work in 11.04 ? or similar app like that ? [00:18] wonder why it's not in the main archives yet [00:21] when I use guvcview, I can adjust certain settings. I can also move the settings to manual for exposure and the lag stops, but the picture goes really dark [00:21] alket, I havent tried screenlets yet,, I can reboot and log into natty hold on ,, I will install from there [00:27] I'm currently having an issue in Ubuntu 11.04 where I cannot get my wireless to work and cannot install firmware-b43-installer. I'm currently getting the error Errors were encountered while processing: apport apport-gtk E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [00:27] ok screenlets is installed let me test [00:28] hrm....have a dir structure question if anyone can answer [00:29] (fedora user thinking of switching but mirrors programs/files locally so seeing what need to possibly do) [00:31] who asked about screenlets? [00:32] whomever,,,, screenlets installed and works [00:32] UBT [00:32] BUT [00:32] alket ^ [00:32] that darn white graph handle on the bottom right shows up,, I still dont know why that was not make transparent yetr [00:32] alket, screenlets work on natty / Unity .,yes [00:33] I hate that darn grab handle [00:33] MikeC: Please do ask your question.. [00:34] coz_, thank you very much [00:34] alket, no problem [00:34] alket, they dont look nice though [00:34] I'm currently having an issue in Ubuntu 11.04 where I cannot get my wireless to work and cannot install firmware-b43-installer. I'm currently getting the error Errors were encountered while processing: apport apport-gtk E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [00:34] alket, as I said that "darn" grab handle is visible apparenlty permanently [00:34] :S [00:35] NickUK`, there was a fix for that the other day, what is your bbroadcom device? [00:35] coz_, I never liked them. but I need it for weather since the gweather applet doesnt work anymore [00:35] NickUK`, but honestly, i thought the fix was released is your system up to date? [00:35] I'm currently having an issue in Ubuntu 11.04 where I cannot get my wireless to work and cannot install firmware-b43-installer. I'm currently getting the error Errors were encountered while processing: apport apport-gtk E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [00:35] Woops [00:35] alket, try cairo dock's weather applet [00:35] Sorry about that was in my copy and paste [00:35] Didn't copy Terminal haha [00:36] Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [00:36] has anyone seen issues with the chicony webcam lagging? I know system76 uses their driver to make changes to get the webcam working on their Ultrathin Lemur (sager np3101). Anybody have any idea? [00:36] be right back logging out of natty [00:37] Anyone have any ideas on the WiFi not working in 11.04 with the device Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN? [00:38] NickUK`, have you tried using the STA driver? [00:38] STA Drivers? [00:38] Just checking them out now. [00:38] NickUK`, system/admin/additional drivers, do you see the "STA" driver there? [00:39] They're active KM0201 [00:39] Subsystem: AMBIT Microsystem Corp. Device [1468:0422] [00:39] Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19 [00:39] Memory at c3000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] [00:39] Capabilities: [00:39] I don't think that's right [00:39] NickUK`, well if STA is active... you don't need b43.... [00:39] But I can't see any Wirless [00:39] wireless [00:40] It isn't even showing in NM [00:40] NickUK`, are you connected via cable tot he internet?.. [00:40] At the moment yes [00:40] NickUK`, ok, are you on the live cd, or did you install? [00:40] Upgrade from 10.04 [00:40] Infact [00:40] ok [00:40] From 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 11.04 [00:41] NickUK`, ... thats probably part of your issue, you skipped 10.10 [00:41] Ohh.. no [00:41] Sorry [00:41] I went from 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 10.10 -> 11.04 [00:41] It was a hell of an upgrade. [00:41] But I thought it was about time :P [00:42] if download the beta2 kunbunu iso I can do a live try out instead of installing correct? [00:42] NickUK`, go to synaptic, and make sure bcmwl-kernel-source is installed, fi its not, install it [00:43] kubuntu (- the N ) lol [00:43] holy crap lol [00:43] No apport report written because the error message indicates it's a follow-up error from a previous failure. [00:43] Errors were encountered while processing: [00:43] apport [00:43] apport-gtk [00:43] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [00:44] someone posted a fix for that the other day [00:44] bu ti thought the fix was already released [00:44] NickUK`, are you sure you're machine is up to date?... sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [00:44] Just doing update at moment [00:45] A little slow as I'm downloading some Cisco stuff. [00:45] Onto Upgrade at moment then I shall do the distro-upgrade [00:46] i think it was yofel who told us the fix.. if he's around, he might remember it. [00:46] 20~ secs on the Upgrade [00:47] Ayup it's just doing apport in this upgrade [00:47] Watching for errors at moment. [00:48] ok [00:49] Not the best thing I want to be doing at 1AM after 5 Days at a gaming event with not too much sleep. [00:49] But has to be done :P [00:52] language packs are downloading.. you can tell the release is getting close. [00:52] It's more interested in updating Virtualbox than anything :D [00:52] Not bothered about Virtualbox all it runs is an Windows XP for some programming stuff. [00:53] I see what you mean I've just hit the Language Packs. [00:53] Done [00:54] Just going to give it a reboot and I shall be back on to tell you if it's fixed or not :P [00:54] * MikeC thinks of better things to do at 1am...like sleep LOL [00:57] Nope :( [00:57] Still no wireless [00:59] KM0201 - You still around? [01:07] hi, would someone be able to help me with a dmraid question/problem? [01:07] !ask | rexbron_ [01:07] rexbron_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [01:08] fair enough [01:08] dmraid sees but won't activate a raid0 fakeraid set. This is immediately post upgrade [01:09] rexbron_, never used raid-setups myself, sadly. for me, raids are something you participate in to bring bosses down, but hopefully someone who can help you is awake. :P === cryptk is now known as cryptk|offline [01:10] phibxr: unfortunately I need the speed and i can't afford 2tb + of ssd ;) [01:22] Does gwibber in natty use SSL for the chat protocols? [01:25] Hi. Will installing Gnome 3 be difficult on the released Natty? Thanks. [01:25] !gnome3 [01:25] Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system. [01:26] And that is likely how it will remain [01:31] ok thanks [01:31] I will give natty a chance, but if after two weeks i don't like it i gota make a decision.. [01:32] Bing0: unity is essentially gnome3 from what I can tell anyway [01:32] Bing0: feature wise [01:32] I would disagree. [01:33] Since I upgraded to natty, minidlna has ceased to function correctly. I see the appropriate folders from my WDTV Live, as before, but it complains there's no media now. Nothing had changed in my minidlna setup, which worked before the natty upgrade. [01:34] hypetech, ya i wouldn't go that far. :) at least from the videos ive seen of Gnome 3 on youtube [01:47] has anyone tried compiling the source code of the version of VLC that is in the repos? [01:51] nobody's tried that? [01:52] nobody here who is answering has [01:52] :) [01:52] lol [01:52] what version of vlc, is in maverick? [01:52] !info vlc maverick [01:53] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4-1ubuntu1.5 (maverick), package size 2001 kB, installed size 4512 kB [01:53] 1.1.4.... that gives me somewhere to start === rexbron_ is now known as rexbron [02:16] Is Xinerama broken in 11.04? [02:17] whats the command to extract a tar.bz2 ?.. [02:17] nevermin,d got it. [02:17] KM0201: tar jxfv [02:18] tar xf file.tar.bz2 will do it too [02:18] yay autodetection [02:19] rww: huh, never knew that [02:23] when you run checkinstall, where does the .deb get stored so you can save it? [02:30] KM0201: 1.1.9 built fine here [02:30] trism, but is it locking up on you? [02:30] vlc locking up has been a big complaint [02:31] KM0201: haven't tried it yet, still in make install, the one in the repos hasn't locked up on me though [02:31] trism, really? [02:31] been lots of complaints about it here in the channel [02:32] it was locking up my whole PC, requiring a hard reset [02:32] so i'm compiling an older version. [02:32] running 0 effects, for what its worth [02:32] KM0201: odd, I've been using it daily here without issues [02:32] trism, wish i could say the same.. [02:44] finally, VLC crashed and didn't crash my entire system..lol [02:44] at least now i know how to rep;ort it. [02:45] KM0201: already upgraded? [02:45] itaylor57, upgraded?... VLC?.. no, not yet. [02:46] i guess i should try that irst, huh? [02:46] KM0201: no ubuntu [02:46] itaylor57, oh, yeah, i'm on 11.04 [02:46] KM0201: i have been thinking about it [02:47] itaylor57, usually i have no problems, but this VLC thing is frustrating me (of course now its playing perfectly...lol) [02:47] KM0201: well going to upgrade later [02:48] is it actually possible to set it up so when i plug in my headphones my speakers are muted? so i only get sound from the headphones. every time i try to change a setting so only headphones work it kills all my sound and i have to restart [02:48] well crap, it just crashed again [02:49] heres my soundcard info: http://pastie.org/1833597 [02:55] hey all, having a sound issue i'm hoping to solve. I have front panel audio jacks that I would like to be able to toggle as the default audio out, what seems to be happening is the 1st audio out app is directed to the rear audio device and secondary apps are directed to the front audio [03:04] hey everyone, reboot and shutdown are just taking me to gdm instead of actually doing something (and the reboot options there do the same), suggestions? [03:09] i've accidently bricked my system. I hit alt f2 update-manager -d. when it was installing it said 12 minutes remaining for various hours [03:09] I reseted the system because it was being unresponsive and I can no longer boot to windows, nor prior versions of linux [03:21] hey I'm trying to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 using update-manager -d [03:21] and it's giving me a bunch of errors like this: W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [03:21] should I just remove all my ppa's [03:21] and try again [03:21] or something? [03:25] will 11.04 in a few days have the gnome or that new unity? [03:26] which version of gnome? which version in kde? [03:29] why is openoffice draw and math no longer supported in 11.04? [03:32] is there any program with which i can read ext4 (ubuntu+1) partitions from within win7? [03:33] freaky[t]: there was a ext2? 3? driver I once saw .. for NT [03:33] hanasaki: Natty has LibreOffice [03:33] lugkhast: what's that? [03:33] lugkhast: so open office is dead to ubuntu? [03:33] hanasaki: It's the community fork of OpenOffice after the Oracle thing [03:33] openoffice is dead period [03:34] bjsnider: elaborate? [03:34] lugkhast: bjsnider is there a java fork too ? grin [03:34] hanasaki, read the news about how oracle has abandoned it [03:34] and virtualbox [03:34] they haven't abandoned java [03:35] hanasaki i need ext4 for win7 ... [03:35] I wonder about the liscneing thou... [03:35] freaky[t]: sorry.. no idea [03:35] freaky[t]: explain the specifics [03:35] i allready did i need a possibility to read my ubuntu partition (ext4) from within win7 [03:36] can anyone suggest any program which actually works? :) [03:37] i need a software from which i can mount the drive [03:37] like with a new drive letter [03:37] freaky[t]: use a fat32 partition instead :) [03:37] usable by both win and lin [03:37] no [03:38] i have allready installed linux [03:38] and i want ext4 [03:39] so there is no openoffice installable for 11.04? [03:41] is it actually possible to set it up so when i plug in my headphones my speakers are muted? so i only get sound from the headphones. every time i try to change a setting so only headphones work it kills all my sound and i have to restart. http://pastie.org/1833597 [03:41] hanasaki: LibreOffice is pretty much the same as OpenOffice in terms of looks/usage [03:42] lugkhast: yes.. I am reading ... so ubuntu pulled out openoffice even as an option? [03:42] its the same tem that develope libre and oo, and libre is actually better and more stable and use less of resources [03:43] After a fresh install off 11.04, I'm missing my Dash launcher icon in the top-left (the Ubuntu icon directly above the Unity launcher), can anyone tell me how to get that icon there? [03:43] fa21: nice sales line :) the format is the same though .. file format [03:43] hanasaki: I've just googled, that looks like the situation [03:43] from what i understood, they pulled libre out of the cd install disc because of physical disc space restraints. it gets larger on every release. if you get the dvd version its on there [03:43] i've accidently bricked my system. I hit alt f2 update-manager -d. when it was installing it said 12 minutes remaining for various hours [03:43] I reseted the system because it was being unresponsive and I can no longer boot to windows, nor prior versions of linux [03:43] hanasaki, actually I dont use any office softwares. putty is my way [03:43] so is gnome gone from 11.04 and now its unity? [03:44] !unity [03:44] Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/31/unity-some-further-clarification-points/ for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity [03:44] fa21: I have folks that send me ms-o docs :| [03:44] hanasaki: yes essentially [03:44] thanks rww [03:44] hanasaki: Unity still feels very GNOME-ish [03:44] hanasaki, Unity is the default, but the classic Gnome interface is still available. [03:44] (to me at least) [03:44] no, not essentially. The underlying system and applications are GNOME, just the panels got replaced with Unity [03:44] just like we've been replacing Epiphany with Firefox for forever ;P [03:45] hanasaki, its the same team, oracle will probably drop the development and the programmers made the 'fork' libre is oo [03:45] traskers: so will an upgrade still be classic? or will it switch to the default unity? [03:45] fa21: hmmm mysql forked too? [03:45] mariadb [03:45] Ubuntu was already using the patches that became LibreOffice anyway, so it made a lot of sense for us to switch to it ;P [03:46] hanasaki, it has both installed, but by default it will log you into the Unity (called "Ubuntu" at the login screen) by default, but you can switch that at any time by choosing "Classic" from the login screen (I believe it's called Classic..) [03:46] nice! w/o a logout/login? [03:46] how do unity / classic and kde compare for speed and ram usage? [03:47] hanasaki, technically, I think you could, but it's much easier to logout/login under the other environment :P [03:47] still uses gdm? [03:47] Yuss. [03:47] yup [03:47] ug.. can you theme it? all that died a few versions ago... [03:48] yup [03:48] xmdp work again? [03:49] ecinxi: im assuming your running from a live cd, if so try a grub reinstall https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD [03:49] is there an easy way to bring up a login window for 11.04? like vnc but to login / not to connect to an existing login [03:51] hanasaki: XDMCP [03:51] Sylphid: yes. that ;) [03:51] Sylphid, I don't think it's a live cd. I think i installed originally from a USB stick but that was moths ago and I don't remember. [03:51] does that power regression article on phoronix have any accuracy? if so, anyone know if it's being worked on for the upcoming release? :) [03:51] g'day.. Just wondering how stable unity is currently? [03:51] Sylphid: it hasn't worked in gdm for at least 2 versions... and I need it encrypted [03:51] like rdp [03:52] X11 forwarding [03:52] Sylphid, I probably don't know the exact definition of live cd anyways, so maybe it is. and I think grub is broken since i can't boot in windows either [03:52] ecinxi: if your not booting from the hard drive then any live linux image should be sufficient [03:53] Sylphid: yes.. however that works with an existing session.. and my folks don't do comand lines lol :( [03:53] xming [03:53] hmm yes.. but xming does not do the ssh port forwarding .. does it? [03:54] does unity 3D compiz run ok over vnc? [03:54] hmmm..... not sure [03:54] been lots of issues posted on the current gnome about that [03:54] so is unity a ubuntu only thing? [03:55] is there a good comparison between gnome,unity,kde? [03:55] Sylphid, I'm probably not understanding. I do boot from my hard drive, but it broke last week when i try to update. So what i need to do is download a linux ISO put it on a USB and boot from that and click install grub? [03:56] hanasaki: it runs alright with x11vnc and -noxdamage but sometimes the windows don't appear until you click them [03:56] ah [03:56] and unity is lgpl? [03:57] just thinking about not getting ubuntu lockin with unity... is that the case? [03:58] hanasaki: Unity is dual-licensed under GPL3 and LGPL3, I believe [03:58] hanasaki, I may be wrong but unity ma have been developed by canonical, same company that made ubuntu [03:58] Unity is owned by Canonical, yes. [03:58] ecinxi: are talking from the broken computer? If so what did you boot from? [03:58] no, I'm on a different laptop, Sylphid [03:58] ecinxi: yes... thus I want to be sure I can use it ok in debian or fedora or mint [03:59] You can, if they package it. I don't know if they plan to. [03:59] i doubt it too [04:00] ecinxi: ok so the usb drive you have does not currently have a live image on it correct? [04:01] no, maybe [04:01] Let me look for a USB stick [04:07] upgraded in about an hour, not too bad [04:14] Sylphid, I found a USB stick with some version of ubuntu in it [04:15] it says on the readme natty narwhal, so it's not theversion I originally installed on that computer, since I think the OS was kubuntu 1.10 [04:15] 10.10* [04:18] ecinxi: that should work, pop it in and boot from it then do the grub reinstall [04:23] don't see it... is gnome3 in 11.04 or not [04:24] Not [04:24] !gnome3 [04:24] Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system. [04:24] thought ubuntu released with the most current gnome like 1 month after.... [04:24] not in this case. too many chances to test in so short a time [04:25] !gnome3 =~ s/PPA/PPA for natty/ [04:25] I know nothing about gnome3 yet, rww [04:25] so we wait till oct 2011 or it will come out in a few months [04:25] ubottu: what. [04:25] oh. [04:25] !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 =~ s/PPA/PPA for natty/ [04:25] I'll remember that rww [04:26] wondering.. I may give kde a try... [04:27] kde 4.6 in ubuntu? [04:27] hanasaki: yes [04:28] choices are nice [04:35] I'm having an issue with pulseaudio, none of my hardware devices show up and I have no sound after the upgrade. If I start the pulse server in a root terminal, my hardware gets detected. If I run as a regular user, I get pa_pid_file_create() failed [04:35] has anyone else seen or been able to fix this? [04:54] Sylphid, When i boot up to the usb i get a menu 'UNetbootin' options a) Default b) help c) try ubuntu with out installing d) Install Ubuntu e) check disc for defects f) test memory g) bootk from first hard disk [04:55] hello, anyone have any luck with libmotif3 in natty by chance? [04:58] hanasaki you can go with kubuntu [04:58] so you wont have to install kubuntu-desktop, which gives you kde [04:58] ecinxi: use the try [05:04] If we are currently using a beta of Natty, come release day, we'll be able to just do a straight upgrade, correct? Or is it better to do a complete reinstall? [05:07] xTheGoat121x: yes just normal updates will get you there [05:09] Thank you! [05:15] sylphid im booted up but I don't know where grub is [05:15] xTheGoat121x: But its recommended to use the stable version, if you need stability [05:17] Auzy, I upgraded to the beta for testing, I just was wondering if I'd have to reinstall come release time. [05:18] ok.. i am installing stable now actually.. Just some people are installing the beta now, and don't realise they might suffer in the process [05:19] does empathy yet work over http proxies? [05:23] ecinxi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD [05:24] thanks === luckysmack is now known as LuckySMack [05:32] just updated today... got some things to report but don't know if they've already been raised, so I'll just dump them here for now: [05:33] 1) ATI driver issues appear to be resolved, I can use Unity now :) .... I have 3 monitors, the sidebar is on my rightmost monitor. I'm guessing that's not intended. [05:34] pressing printscreen doesn't give me any option to save a screenshot of this [05:35] right clicking on this bar thing doesn't do anything, which sucks. I was expecting something to pop up and at least tell me what it's called [05:35] 2) changing settings in ccsm scrambles the render target for the entire menu bar until I log in again [05:37] 3) another compiz issue: when I enable desktop cube CSSM complains that unity plugin requires large desktop, but cube also provides this [05:37] so it asks me to disable it, which is unnecessary [05:39] cube deformation appears to be missing all of its settings, and there are compiz/fusion textures on the top and bottom of my desktop cube, pretty sure I disabled those but can't find a place to disable them again [05:39] problem could be between keyboard and chair [05:40] workspace switcher taskbar thing doesn't have any way to change the number of workspaces, which sucks [05:41] when clicking the drop down top menu thing my volume buttons don't work [05:41] pretty sure in Gnome it used to show me some current volume overlay when I changed the volume on the keyboard [05:43] Sylphid, I don't know what I did wrong. [05:44] I did sudo fdisk -l , sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt, sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda [05:44] 1 sec, i skipped a step sudo update-grub [05:44] finally, when I maximize a window on the monitor with the sidebarthing, it dodges out of the way when I try to access it, I have to restore the window to be able to touch it [05:46] how do you get the appearance / effects back in gnome classic for 11.04? [05:47] you mean compiz things? [05:47] ya [05:47] ccsm [05:47] ccsm? [05:47] !ccsm [05:47] To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu: install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz [05:47] type ccsm in a terminal [05:48] or it's in the ... erm ... menu that I can't see because I'm in Unity and my menu bar is all scrambled [05:48] is unity the best for a touch screen tablet? [05:48] like someone dropped the texture and is now rendering random memory areas to the screen [05:49] windows 7, kde, gnome? [05:50] compizconfig-settings-manager what gnome menu item does this make where [05:50] hanasaki, compiz settings or something in the rightmost menu under preferences [05:51] thanks [05:51] ecinixi: I dunno, I'm on a desktop. haven't used a touchscreen device. I would guess a windowing system made for touch devices like Android would be best [05:52] that makes sense [05:52] hmm wobbly windows are better before 11.04 [05:52] yeah the framerate seems bad [05:52] but I have not an ipad clone but an i7 with 8mb of RAM [05:52] wow i7 with 8gb of ram and no keyboard?! [05:53] and there are things that I like to do that i can't with android because lake of software like latex and programming [05:53] I have a keyboard, although there are i7 w/ 8gb and no keyboard [05:53] i think by motion computing [05:54] hmmm login screen settings .. unlock does nothing.... [05:54] my windows 7 killer app is microsoft oneNote. otherwise i'd probably use linux exclusively [05:55] oneNote? I never really got into that, but a few people use it in work (contracting for microsoft atm) [05:56] microsoft has great software [05:56] all the office apps [05:56] are both : dhcp3-client AND isc-dhcp-client needed? [05:56] yeah they make some okay stuff I guess [05:56] but thank libreoffice for great competition [05:57] I don't like this new ribbon thing they've made in the latest office [05:57] i use libre, withthe exception of onenote [05:57] I used to be able to use MS Office, now it seems all the options I need are hidden so deep in the ribbon that it would be quicker to use libre office [05:57] bitplane, it only works if you use word, excel or w/e day in and day out [05:58] and it's better than the old menus [05:58] how? [05:58] hanasaki: no, isc-dhcp-client replaces dhcp3-client [05:58] hm the upgrade did not get rid of dhcp3-client [05:58] only if you use it day in and day out. like in one note i can get what i need quick because the pictures. in the ribbon. but when you use word or what not casually it doesn't work [05:59] the idea of a menu system is to have all your options somewhere you can find them. changing where they are like that kills productivity [05:59] they need to keep both systems and have the user choose [05:59]