=== asac_ is now known as asac [07:44] We've been running our prototypes from maverick using rootstock which does not install a kernel nor a initrd file. Why do Ubuntu need a initrd script and why does it apparently seem to work without one? [09:00] morning [10:40] We've been running our prototypes from maverick using rootstock which does not install a kernel nor a initrd file. Why do Ubuntu need a initrd script and why does it apparently seem to work without one? [10:42] I.e. all necessary features are compiled into the kernel, so I don't need modules. Apart from that, what is initrd doing? [10:43] read up about initramfs-tools, its deeply integrated with the packaging system (packages can put bits and pieces into the initrd) ... [10:44] some packages rely on functions that are only possible while / isnt mounted yet (fsck, lvm, dmraid, entrypted filesystems etc) [10:44] *encrypted [10:45] while ubuntu will work fine without initrd, if one of your users installs something like the encryption stuff, encrypts / and reboots without initrd, he trashed his install [10:46] if you can take that risk ... live without initrd :) [10:47] one point though (and only one from your list): fsck. Rather important. [10:47] Thanks [10:49] in this natty release frenzy, how is armel doing? [11:00] quite well, though there was a heavy issue with libreoffice === sbambrough-lunch is now known as sbambrough === JamieBen1ett is now known as JamieBennett [12:23] how [12:42] hi [12:42] I did an apt-get dist-upgrade on my OMAP3 (Beagleboard xM) and X.org is frozen ... :/ [12:42] more precisely, the mouse cursor is frozen [12:43] is there a known reason and in this case, what is the guilty archive, what has to be done ? .. and so on [12:43] thanks in advance [12:58] looks like ssh works ... better than nothing :/ === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [13:16] ericb2: are you using it with a sd card? [13:31] janimo: have any idea why some packages from libreoffice didn't contain armel at it's architecture? [13:32] rsalveti, no, I only saw your bugreport today [13:32] AFAIK LibO used to build and work fine on arm during natty [13:32] since about 3.3.1 at least when it started building fully [13:32] janimo: hm, ok, do you remember how many hours it usually takes to finish the build at our builders? [13:32] over 1 day [13:33] 10 hours until now, and still building, hopefully it will work just fine [13:33] did some armhf patches get in via debian? [13:33] janimo: yes [13:45] rsalveti, so you are rebuilding locally atm ? [13:45] ogra_: both locally and at the PPA [13:46] ah, k [13:46] so we could pocket-copy it from the PPA ? [13:46] (once the binaries are there) [13:47] ogra_: that's the idea [13:47] ah, cool [13:48] bah, i cant commit to desktop-webmail upstream [13:48] JamieBennett owns it [13:48] * JamieBennett hides [13:48] ogra_: you can have it now ;) [13:49] heh, assign it to canonical-arm then [13:49] ogra_: infact -webmail is asac's [13:49] though probably a general core-dev approval would be better [13:50] asac, ^^^ can you hand that over to core-dev ? [13:50] rsalveti: yes, I'm using it using an sd card [13:50] ericb2: so it could be that the heavy i/o from dpkg is making your beagle useless [13:51] rsalveti: :-/ [13:51] rsalveti: what has to be done ? [13:51] fix dpkg to require less resources ;) [13:51] or more likely debconf than dpkg [13:51] or switch to use an USB disk [13:51] ogra_: what does the bug exactly ? (what are the symptoms ? ) [13:52] even a faster sd card can help already [13:52] yeah === ian_brasil___ is now known as ian_brasil [13:53] rsalveti: I can connect to the beagle using ssh [13:53] mine is -office [13:53] rsalveti: at least I did once. e.g. I restarted gdm, but unsuccessfully [13:54] janimo: FYI, OOoLight works well on the beagleboard too [13:54] ericb2, great to hear that :) [13:54] fast enough? [13:54] janimo: first launch is 10s [13:54] form SD ? [13:54] thats fast ! [13:54] janimo: the proc is 800MHz and I got 512 MB of RAM [13:54] ogra_: from sd, yes [13:55] compiled from sd too [13:55] ogra_: what do you need it for? [13:55] and starting second launch around 3 s [13:55] ogra_: committing? i dont even see an attempt to propose or merging ;) [13:55] asac, we ship it by default ... bug 769235 has a fix [13:55] Launchpad bug 769235 in desktop-webmail "Icons & app names identical for desktop-email & desktop-email-config" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769235 [13:56] ogra_: junk is probably not the best place to push such patches [13:56] asac, well, i'm lazy with LP ... [13:56] asac, well, bzr push lp:desktop-webmail didnt work and i need to move on ... +junk is still better than losing it from my disk ;) [13:56] ogra_: can you push that to lp:~ogra/desktop-webmail/lp769235 and just hit propose for merge? [13:57] ogra_: you dont know how launchpad works, right? [13:57] rsalveti: do you have the dpkg bug report at hand please ? [13:58] i think bzr could be improved to have a command: bzr push-merge-proposal-for lp:desktop-webmail ;) [13:58] asac, slow, right ? [13:58] ogra_: no ... but you can just push to the proper project and dont need to use junk [13:58] ogra_: like i said: lp:~ogra/desktop-webmail/lp769235 would be appropriate [13:58] pushed that way now [13:58] cool [13:58] opening the page will take me 20min though [13:58] so i will do the proposal later [13:58] asac: bzr lp-propose [13:59] ogra_: i can propose. thanks === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [14:42] GrueMaster, ping [14:46] ogra_: the slideshow seems to be disabled at the latest netbook daily image, is this expected? [14:47] got from 20110426.4 [15:08] ogra: GrueMaster: from 20110426.4: slideshow disabled at the installed, software center gave me a "not found" while trying to install the omap 4 extras because it seems that it didn't run apt-get update and I'm getting a lot of fifo underflow :-( [15:08] *installer [15:09] missing apt-get update is a fee we have to pay for changing the sources.list from jasper [15:10] (no network, so no update run) [15:17] ogra: and still a lot of "asoc" error messages at the kernel log, shouldn't this be fixed already? [15:17] or are we waiting the fix to hit the updates? [15:17] no, its fixed, but tobin seems to have found that one reboot is needed for it to properly take effect [15:18] hm, interesting, will try [15:18] i guess we need to create the state file from jasper [15:18] or some such ... [15:18] havent looked deeper yet [15:34] ogra: showing just pandahdmi output and still reporting the error messages [15:34] and no packages to update, using latest stuff [15:34] yes, the fixes are in the packages sine a week [15:34] *since [15:35] it shoudl just work [15:35] ogra: what was the fix? [15:35] adding the patches and a proper udev rule to select the right ucm profiles [15:38] pgraner: Pong [15:38] ogra: udev rule is there, but still broken [15:38] ogra: Audio does not come up after a single reboot. It appears that alsaucm is never run. [15:42] GrueMaster, well, thats strange sinc ethe udev rule runs it [15:42] and that just matches against the device name [15:42] * ogra has a netbook image ready, will test myself [15:43] Does it? Because I am not seeing audio until I run alsaucm manually then reboot. [15:43] well, there *should* be a udev rule :) [15:44] There is, but I don't think it gets executed. [15:44] udev rule is there, could be that the device name is not right [15:44] ask diwic if it actually ended up in the upload where the changelog claims it did :) [15:44] or something similar === fairuz is now known as fairuz-away [15:48] for anyone intrested, i think we can have proper images for the ac100 now with the .37 kernel ... you can actually update kernel and initrd from the running device [15:48] looks like I got the network working. Can I downgrade dpkg or something to make it work again ? [15:48] i think i'll roll a community image for it in oneiric [15:49] * ericb2 still wondering why x.org does not work after a big apt-get dist-upgrade on Beagleboard (xM) [15:52] err [15:52] where is the slideshow ? [15:52] (and more important, why isnt there a bug for it missing) [15:52] ogra: I said you earlier, the slideshow seems to be gone [15:53] I asked you if this is expected or not [15:53] ogra: I was trying to debug it and got sidetracked yesterday. It is only affecting armel. [15:53] that's why I didn't fill a bug yet [15:53] ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599329/ [15:53] I tested it on x86 in a VM. [15:53] hmm [15:53] it surely speeds up the install [15:54] ARGH ! [15:54] rsalveti, thanks, that says everything [15:54] oh my [15:55] GrueMaster, FYI I tested the OMAP4 images and no issues according to the test on the ISO tracker [15:55] GrueMaster, rsalveti: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/alsaucm /lib/udev/alsaucm [15:55] pgraner: How exactly did you test them? There are several issues. [15:56] ogra: yep, testing that [15:56] that should fix it [15:56] what is the last dpkg version correctly working ? [15:56] i dont really know if i can use absolute paths in udev rules [15:56] GrueMaster, like I said following the tests on the iso tracker [15:56] but i guess that would be the right fix [15:56] i wouldnt have expected the helper to look in a hardcoded path [15:57] 85-usbmuxd.rules:ACTION=="remove", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{PRODUCT}=="5ac/12[9a][0-9a-f]/*", ENV{INTERFACE}=="255/*", RUN+="/usr/sbin/usbmuxd -x" [15:57] ogra: seems we can [15:57] GrueMaster, http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ARM/PreinstalledImage [15:57] let me test with the full path [15:57] rsalveti, ah, didnt think of just grepping :P [15:57] GrueMaster, if there are others let me know I have two Panda's here to test with [15:58] ogra: :-) [15:58] pgraner: Bugs I had listed yesterday: bug 758486, bug 746023, bug 769235. [15:58] Launchpad bug 758486 in linux-ti-omap4 "omapdss DISPC error on Panda platform" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758486 [15:58] Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023 [15:58] Launchpad bug 769235 in desktop-webmail "Icons & app names identical for desktop-email & desktop-email-config" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769235 [15:59] 769235 has a fix already and will be an SRU [15:59] Also, there is an installer bug yet to be filed, oem-config doesn't run the slideshow during installation. [15:59] which is cosmetic ... [15:59] GrueMaster, I'm not seeing test cases for any of those issues, I only see the one I posted to you or am I missing something [16:00] pgraner: Also, the image seed was changed last Thursday, so there are a lot of apps that haven't been tested. [16:00] pgraner: I list all known bugs during release testing. [16:00] Not just what the testcase says to look for. [16:01] GrueMaster, do you have additional test cases? [16:01] And since we had the seed change, I have been going over everything. [16:01] No, I don't. [16:01] I just run programs and see what works & what doesn't. [16:03] The main testcase you refer to is specific to armel installation on omap3/omap4 platforms. The rest is just like testing the desktop apps. [16:03] pgraner, "use the image and all apps" is our main testcase [16:05] ogra, GrueMaster, thanks [16:06] ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599337/ worked when I triggered udev add events by hand [16:06] let me try rebooting [16:06] ah, cool [16:06] * GrueMaster goes to get massively caffeinated prior to starting testing. [16:07] hmm, the slideshow is still isted for the netbook-live task [16:07] but it doesnt end up on the image [16:07] * ogra scratches head [16:10] It is in the manifest. [16:13] not in mine [16:13] which package are you looking at? [16:14] i search for slideshow [16:14] ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 40 [16:15] i dont have it in the current manifest [16:15] Thats what fgrep ubiquity 20110426/natty-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.manifest reports. [16:15] not sure what you look at [16:15] GAR ! [16:15] * ogra curses chromium [16:15] just FYI ... the slideshow is definitely not installed on headless [16:15] ogra: ok, worked fine, will prepare the debdiff [16:15] * ogra grumbles [16:16] why would we have a slideshow in headless? :P [16:16] * GrueMaster offers coffee infusion to ogra [16:16] GrueMaster, ask chromium why it gave me the cdimage page i just *didnt* want [16:16] it should guess the right one from my thoughts !!! [16:17] Actually, I should ask why you don't just pull a local copy with wget when you zsync the image. [16:17] i rarely look at the manifest unless something is wrong [16:18] I always look at the manifest because it is rare that something isn't wrong. [16:19] heh [16:20] Besides, doing a diff between builds lets me know what changed and what to focus testing on. [16:20] (especially when someone changes the image seed close to release). [16:20] :P [16:22] is there somebody able to help me on the channel : got Ubuntu on BeagleBoard, and after I did a big apt-get dist-upgrade, I got x.org started, but no keyboard, nor mouse .... thanks in advance for any help or hint [16:23] rsalveti, hmm, just using the udev rule doesnt help for me [16:23] could be gdm broken, or one lib gdm depends. But can be something completel different [16:23] rsalveti, it only works after i ran alsaucm manually [16:23] ogra: hm, I just triggered udev by hand and then rebooted [16:23] now it's fine [16:23] ssh works, the network too and I can install, update [16:23] ericb2: Try logging into a console and rerunning "sudo apt-get -f install" to make sure all packages are installed and updated. [16:24] GrueMaster: I did one minute ago [16:24] rsalveti, well, it might be that it needs the init once [16:24] GrueMaster: maybe some missing modules (or not loaded ) [16:25] something around usb [16:25] i definitely had no sound (and did about 5 reboots to make sure) without running the command once [16:25] ogra: ok, will fire up a new image with just this fix included to see how it goes [16:26] sigh, and GDM takes about a century on a class2 card [16:26] GrueMaster: the exact state is : my login name (eric) selected, and under the mouse cursor, I can read "Login as eric" [16:26] GrueMaster: but the cursor is stalled, like the keyboard and mouse [16:27] ericb2: Do you see any messages in dmesg regarding keyboard & mouse? [16:28] rsalveti, i didnt run the Record verb and even after several reboots i have no input device (which is what record creates) [16:29] ogra: hm, weird [16:29] so your manual trigger has done the initialization i guess and the state file brings it back to the state it had on shutdown [16:30] i bet even removing the rule will still get you working sound after reboot [16:30] * ogra tries that [16:31] ogra: the manual trigger should be the same trigger that happens while booting the device [16:31] GrueMaster: [ 4.711303] input: PS/2+USB Mouse as /devices/platform/ehci-omap.0/usb1/1-2/1-2.3/1-2.3:1.1/input/input2 [16:31] GrueMaster: looks ok at least for the mouse [16:32] rsalveti, well, lets see, i removed the rule and am just rebooting [16:32] GrueMaster: imho, this rather could be an x.org issue with keyboard + mouse or something [16:34] rsalveti, yup, sound is there even without the rules file, it is restored from the state file [16:34] GrueMaster: and /var/log/syslog says : http://paste.lisp.org/display/121603 [16:35] (and record is still missing as well) [16:36] GrueMaster: interesting : click either the mouse buttons or the keyboard do nothing (meant : nothing is detected) [16:37] ogra: janimo: why do we have mpurate=900 at the headless image for omap 3? [16:37] that's not compatible with old beagles, like C4 [16:37] rsalveti, does it do any harm ? [16:37] I can't even boot at my C4 [16:37] argh [16:37] ericb2: Why do you have oem-config installed? [16:37] GrueMaster: let me check [16:38] rsalveti, i added that a while ago to get the XM to full speed [16:38] rsalveti: My beagle C4 is working fine on headless. [16:38] i thought kernels not capable of using 900 would just ignore it [16:38] ogra: did you add this just at the headless image? [16:38] GrueMaster, check your cmdline [16:38] rsalveti, i dont think so [16:39] hm, let me check it again, but after removing it I'm able to boot [16:39] should be on all omap3 ones [16:39] * ogra checks the code [16:39] GrueMaster: looks like it isn"t. Shall I install it ? [16:39] It is in your pastebin, that is why I ask. [16:40] yeah, its in all omap3 images [16:40] ok, so it could be a different but, let me check it properly [16:40] *bug [16:40] ogra: rsalveti http://paste.ubuntu.com/599358/ [16:41] GrueMaster: don't ask me why :) I'll try to install it, and I'll keep you informed about the progress. Thanks anyway :) [16:41] GrueMaster: is this a C4? [16:41] ericb2: YOu don't need it. [16:41] GrueMaster: arf .. [16:41] rsalveti: yes. [16:41] GrueMaster: so what shall I do ? uninstall it ? [16:41] GrueMaster, thats a C4 ? [16:41] ogra: yes. [16:41] wow [16:42] i didnt know they could run that fast :) [16:42] hm, the only difference is that I'm also using it with the zippy expansion board [16:42] It is the only beagleboard I have. [16:42] it probably can, but not that stable I'd say [16:42] oh, i thought you got an XM replacement at some point [16:42] That is an XM. [16:42] you said C4 [16:42] This is an original beagleboard. [16:42] C4 != XM [16:42] I know that. [16:43] * ogra is confused now [16:43] I have both. But I don't have any other rev of beagleboard. [16:43] BeagleXM is a different product. [16:43] GrueMaster: I got an xM if this can help you [16:43] you have a C4 and an XM but you only have one beagleboard ?!? [16:43] * ogra is even more confused now [16:43] ericb2: Sadly, I am a bit usy with last minute release work. [16:44] GrueMaster: I understand. thanks anyway :) [16:44] ogra: The beagleboards include up to Rev C4. The beagleXM is an entirely different product. [16:44] GrueMaster, XM and Cx or Bx are the same product ... [16:44] Similar to Panda. [16:45] different revision, but same product [16:45] No, XM has a different rev CPU. [16:45] beagleXM similar to panda ? [16:45] wut ? [16:45] Check your specs. [16:45] still, the product is called beagleboard [16:45] sigh. [16:45] No, it is called beagleXM. [16:45] ask TI why they prevented us from finding the difference in cpuinfo :) [16:45] BeagleBoard-xM delivers extra ARM ® Cortex TM -A8 MHz now at 1 GHz and extra memory with 512MB of low-power DDR RAM, [16:45] I stopped at the first line. [16:45] it's not like panda. [16:46] Ok, there is too much noise in the channel. [16:46] * GrueMaster goes back to testing. [16:47] GrueMaster, so does your C4 behave stable then at 900MHz ? [16:47] Seems to, at least for headless. [16:47] * ogra wouldnt have expected it to even scale to 900) [16:47] do anyone know where i can find a gdb for arm? i.e. arm-linux-gnueabi-gdb [16:47] It was running all night untill I reimaged it this morning. [16:47] or do i have to roll my own? [16:48] apt-get install gdb ? [16:48] i need ar arm one [16:48] GrueMaster: apt-get autoremove + disconnect/reconnect all usb stuff fixed the issue [16:48] (which should actually be installed) [16:48] ppisati: apt-get install gdb should install an arm one :p [16:48] oh well you need an arm system. [16:48] ppisati, that gets you an arm one on the right platform ;) [16:48] :) [16:48] ok [16:48] everyone here got an arm as main system no ? :p [16:48] i'm chasing the kexec stuff [16:48] it hangs after relocation [16:48] so i need jtag now [16:49] i managed to setup openocd on panda [16:49] so fa so good [16:49] but now i need a proper gdb [16:49] phh, one at least ... some of us are exaggerating though like GrueMaster ... he has many :P [16:49] one arm for every hand !!! [16:49] one arm for my reign! [16:49] one ac100 for every hand here yeah [16:49] ok, i tri the codesourcery toolchain [16:49] phh, oh, you have a second one ? [16:49] * ogra is envious [16:50] ogra: how the fuck do you test on your main system ? :p [16:50] by using a different one while testing [16:50] thats why i do it so rarely :) [16:50] over easter i switched completely to 2.6.37 though [16:51] i was fed up of doing tests only once a month, so I got another ac100 :p [16:51] that makes everything easier [16:51] it's still the cheap french ones though [16:51] no 3G no BT [16:51] We can't even get them in the States. [16:51] well, the shop i got mine from still wants 299€ for it ... and i havent gotten around ordering one from the cheaper shops online [16:51] hihihi [16:52] but i plan to ... and a mPCI SD [16:52] *SSD [16:52] GrueMaster: you can't have everything [16:52] ogra: I only plan to change my panel [16:52] with planning being something really long term :D [16:52] Sure we can, as long as it runs Windows 7. [16:52] that possibly too [16:52] first of all i want a usable disk [16:53] ogra: and your '...' is soldering some more ram ? [16:53] (just saying.) [16:53] HD screen is next on my list :) [16:53] well, the panel has two goals: [16:53] get an HD screen [16:53] more ram would be awesome but i'm not good at SMD soldering [16:53] get a new screen [16:53] not that I killed my current panel [16:53] but err, yes. [16:53] heh [16:54] For the record : disconnect/reconnect all USB devices , is mandatory when you log out / login [16:54] well, $90 isnt bad for a replacement that also does HD [16:54] yeah [16:54] now it works ... [16:54] I have 8G of DDR2 sitting here on my desk waiting for testing to finish so I can upgrade my desktop from the current 3G. [16:54] but thats lame ... doesnt involve soldering at all [16:55] :) [16:55] its more exciting if you can break it :) [16:55] ericb2: Sounds like something else is wrong. The natty images work fine here on beagle/XM/Panda w/o hotplugging the USB. [16:58] Whoa, this is interesting. mpurate=900 is on both headless & netbook images. My beagleboard (C4) is showing 893 bogomips, and my XM is showing 782. [16:59] Oh, and cpuinfo does show a difference between the two. C4: CPU Variant 0x1 XM: CPU Variant 0x3 [17:02] code sourcery toolchain had one, and it works [17:02] ppisati: good to know [17:05] ppisati, i'm pretty sure we have a packaged one in the cross toolchain, hrw would know where though [17:06] GrueMaster, yeah, but they explicitly have not changed the Hardware entry between the revisions [17:06] btw, all apps that were added with the recent meta change have been working here [17:07] i gave all of them some small function tests [17:07] Yes, I tested them here over the weekend. [17:07] great [17:08] * ogra would like to know if mpurate can actually cause any instabilities ... honestly i would prefer to go with 900MHz on the XM (instead of 600) and rather say we stop supporting C4 officially without image modification [17:09] I would say leave headless w/o mpurate and mark the netbook for XM only. [17:09] GrueMaster, i think bogomips are more than just cpu speed, to get the actual MHz value look in dmesg [17:09] ugh, adding a flavour specific hack additionally? [17:10] i dont think that flies two days before release ... its either all omap3 image on or all of them off [17:10] Well, you could always add a hack in jasper to detect the cpu variant. [17:10] I was thinking of Oneiric. [17:11] sure, and i can grow grass on my knee if i dont move for long enough :) [17:11] For now, we release note it. [17:11] yeah [17:11] well, i sense a respin anyway [17:11] why? [17:11] so we still have a chance to drop it ... but its an all or nothing thing in natty [17:11] GrueMaster, if we find an easy fix for slideshow and sound, wouldnt you want them in ? [17:12] slideshow is not a showstopper. Audio can easily be fixed with an update. [17:12] * ogra doubts audio is fixable easily outside of jasper [17:12] I'd rather not respin unless it is critical or the entire mess is respun (all arches). [17:13] Can't the udev rule be updated with the correct path to alsaucm? [17:13] sure, but it changes nothing [17:13] ogra: GrueMaster: up, can't boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599371/ [17:13] at least here [17:14] finished the headless installation without the mpurate argument, and then added it again by hand [17:14] at next reboot the kernel get stuck [17:14] weird, i dont even see it setting the mpurate [17:15] [ 0.000000] Clocking rate (Crystal/Core/MPU): 26.0/332/500 MHz [17:15] you should actually have another line where it tells you that it re-sets to a different value [17:15] let me try with different values [17:15] that's all I have [17:16] yeah, i belive you :) [17:16] i just know it looks quite different on my XM if it actually changes the value during boot [17:17] Out of curiosity, why is the uboot delay on omap3 10 seconds, and only 3 seconds on panda? [17:17] GrueMaster, blame jcrigby :) [17:18] GrueMaster: there's a patch to fix this upstream already [17:18] its a compile time default [17:18] yeah [17:18] ogra: mpurate=720 boots fine [17:18] grmbl [17:18]