=== doko_ is now known as doko
[14:52] <jamespage> doko: around to talk UDS-O/Java related stuff?
[15:03] <doko> jamespage: sure
[15:04] <doko> maven3?
[15:04] <jamespage> well that's one of the things on my list :-)
[15:05] <jamespage> so I did think about raising a general housekeeping spec; but decided not to as I don't think thats really relevant for discussion at UDS this time
[15:05] <jamespage> however maven2/3 and where it currently sits in the Ubuntu archive probably is.
[15:06] <jamespage> I've started to see a bit of a trend for libraries that had been transferred to ant based builds now shifting back to maven based build
[15:06] <jamespage> the maven-deb-helper package is now pretty good and I think its actually easier to package maven based projects than ant ones now :-)
[15:07] <jamespage> Maven3 looks like it is still a little way off in Debian; i.e. discussion and some ITP's but not much progress yet (as far a I can make out)
[15:07] <doko> my other topics for java would be the java arm status (Xerces RAngby and Robert Lougher are at UDS), and openjdk-7
[15:08] <jamespage> sounds good; OpenJDK 7 is due to lang mid year?
[15:10] <jamespage> should bring some good features (aside from the fact that they dropped Jigsaw :-()
[15:11] <jamespage> doko: so my other topic was around JOnAS and OpenJDK compatibility
[15:12] <jamespage> doko: not sure whether you have had a change to sign-up with ow2 so we can actually see what the issues are?
[15:12] <jamespage> (my paperwork is in the post somewhere~)
[15:12] <doko> ow2?
[15:12] <doko> right, but I'm not yet sure about a default change to openjdk-7
[15:13] <doko> I assume that would need a rebuild
[15:13] <doko> test
[15:13] <jamespage> ow2: http://www.ow2.org/
[15:14] <jamespage> agree on probably not switching default openjdk for 11.10 - might make sense in 12.04 once upstream project have had a chance to catchup
[15:18] <jamespage> doko: the other consideration is that Java is not source backwards compatible; although binaries should continue to work
[15:19] <jamespage> this just does not play nicely from a supportability perspective
[15:19] <doko> right, so we should find out what ftbfs
[15:19] <jamespage> well that would be a good start :-)
[15:19] <doko> otoh, even openjdk zero/shark currently is broken
[15:21] <jamespage> doko: so are you intending to run sessions for the two topics you suggested?
[15:22] <doko> arm, yes, 7? maybe that could be part of a general java planning session
[15:23] <jamespage> doko: OK - I'll raise a general Java spec for housekeeping, maven and openjdk 7 as they look like the fit together nicely
[15:24] <doko> ok, shouldn't take more time
[15:24] <jamespage> ack
[15:25] <jamespage> so with regards to the JOnAS session; OK if I subscribe you to it as essential as I think a good part of the conversation is going to be about JDK compatibility
[15:33] <doko> sure
[15:33] <doko> but I can't promise to have information for compatibility until uds
[15:41] <jamespage> thanks