[19:59] <ChrisWoollard> Evening rickfosb
[20:03] <ChrisWoollard> Ahhh, the soothing music...
[20:06] <rickfosb> Good evening Chris... was in the other room
[20:06] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[20:06] <rickfosb> (technically, still doing the 'day job')
[20:06] <ChrisWoollard> Ahh. What was the day job again?
[20:07] <rickfosb> AT&T..  Data analysis - productivity, headcount and volumes
[20:07] <rickfosb> counting widgets
[20:08] <ChrisWoollard> Aren't widgets those things that go in beer cans
[20:08] <rickfosb> :) those too!
[20:10] <ChrisWoollard> incidentally the bzr-stats package is what can give a list of contributors.
[20:11] <rickfosb> Would that get a minimal list of contributors, then?
[20:11] <rickfosb> for inclusion, i mean
[20:12] <ChrisWoollard> maybe. i need to play to see what it gives me
[20:12] <ChrisWoollard> i am not sure if it deals with translators
[20:13] <rickfosb> ok;  I'll be interested in what you get.  I was looking at running 'spell' on the tex files in a batch... that proved to be not so helpful  :)
[20:14] <rickfosb> Its real good at ignoring the non alpha stuff in the latex tags, but then finds a latex tag and thinks its misspelled.
[20:15] <ChrisWoollard> are you trying to spell check
[20:15] <rickfosb> Though I might run a real quick look and get the easy spelling stuff out of the .tex files
[20:15] <rickfosb> yes
[20:15] <ChrisWoollard> i usually use vim as my editor. It has a spell check option
[20:15] <ChrisWoollard> :set spell
[20:15] <rickfosb> I bounce back and forth; vi to gedit
[20:16] <ChrisWoollard> it highlights incorrect spellings
[20:16] <rickfosb> I'll try vim;  I'm more of an old time unix user when it comes to that.... love the global search and replace, etc.
[20:17] <rickfosb> ok; stepping away for a while.  Have a great evening.  check you later
[20:17] <ChrisWoollard> ok
[20:17] <ChrisWoollard> laters
[20:17] <rickfosb> :)
[20:24] <godbyk> There's a spellcheck.py script in the lucid-e1 repository that may be helpful.
[20:25] <godbyk> Also try "aspell -t blah.tex"
[20:25] <godbyk> It'll filter out the TeX commands and spell-check only the content.
[20:30] <rickfosb> Thanks!
[20:32] <ChrisWoollard> evening godbyk
[20:36] <godbyk> Hey, ChrisWoollard. How was your holiday?
[20:36] <ChrisWoollard> i mean lovely thanks
[20:40] <godbyk> Hey, rickfosb. How are things going?
[20:41] <rickfosb> godbyk; going well.  just working... :) i just came back in here to restart empathy..  I lost the contact list and was not sure how to raise it (natty)
[20:42] <godbyk> Ah, well, I'll let you get back to it then. :)
[20:43] <rickfosb> seeing the talk about  different versions (kindle, etc)  Sounds like some fun... using the tex files to build lots of usable output!
[20:44] <godbyk> Yeah, I'd love to get some different output formats going (for e-readers, HTML, etc.).
[20:44] <godbyk> Unfortunately, LaTeX seems to not be the best source format for all of those.
[20:44] <rickfosb> (ipad) hehe
[20:44] <ChrisWoollard> Motorola Xoom ;)
[20:44] <godbyk> I've not had much luck with the LaTeX-to-HTML tools.
[20:45] <rickfosb> I like latex so far;  I'm just thinking with the right additions to our makefile, we might get some real leverage ..
[20:45] <godbyk> I've been meaning to play with Docbook → LaTeX → PDF and Docbook → HTML chains, but haven't had the time yet.
[20:46] <rickfosb> would also like to be able to build by chapter... for ease of editing, etc.,   I'm reviewing my old Make books...brushing up...
[20:46] <rickfosb> (in my spare time)  ha
[20:46] <ChrisWoollard> Kevin, should i mention what Kyle did ;)
[20:47] <godbyk> rickfosb: To build an individual chapter, you could edit the main.tex file, and add \includeonly{x,y,z} before \begin{document}
[20:48] <godbyk> where x,y,z is a list of documents to include. all other \include's will be ignored.
[20:48] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: <shudder>
[20:48] <rickfosb> ahhh. ok
[20:48] <rickfosb> ChrisWollard: dotell
[20:49] <godbyk> rickfosb: He wrote a huge set of shell scripts that convert docbook documents to PDF using Apache's FOP.
[20:49] <godbyk> rickfosb: Each chapter is its own standalone document.
[20:49] <godbyk> rickfosb: But then they get mashed together to form a book (of sorts).
[20:49] <ChrisWoollard> each chapter  in its own branch
[20:50] <rickfosb> godbyk; indexing, page numbering???  must have been a btch
[20:50] <godbyk> Oh, yeah, and that.  Their project has an order of magnitude fewer contributors than ours, but he thought it'd be best if they went with one chapter per bzr branch.
[20:50] <godbyk> So you have to check out over half a dozen branches to build the complete book.
[20:50] <ChrisWoollard> I have not heard anything from them in weeks
[20:50] <rickfosb> no thanks
[20:51] <godbyk> rickfosb: I don't think they have any indexing yet.  Not sure how page numbering is handled.
[20:51] <ChrisWoollard> Also, it has not been updated in 6/7 weeks
[20:51] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: I haven't heard from them in eons either.  They seemed pretty content to go their own way.  I don't have time to learn Apache FOP, so I can't be of much help.
[20:52] <rickfosb> godbyk: what's the project name?
[20:52] <godbyk> rickfosb: The Ubuntu Developers' Manual.
[20:52] <rickfosb> geeez
[20:53] <godbyk> rickfosb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/DeveloperManual/
[20:53] <ChrisWoollard> They used our toolchain first
[20:53] <rickfosb> ok, my meeting minder's going off...  I'll be back in an hour.. See you two.  (thanks for the link godbyk)
[20:53] <ChrisWoollard> Then converted the whole lot to docbook
[20:57] <godbyk> I think that the "translation-credits" text in the credits.tex file should automatically be replaced by Launchpad during the translation process with a list of translators who contributed.
[20:57] <godbyk> But I've never tried it before.
[20:58] <ChrisWoollard> I was about to have a look at that
[20:59] <godbyk> I also want to look into using the Ubuntu font as the sans serif font in the new edition.  I have to check the language support and whatnot first, though, and probably adjust some font sizes.
[21:01] <ChrisWoollard> nice
[22:36] <rickfosb> \quit