[00:00] <charlie-tca> Or allow each distribution to decide, if possible.
[00:00] <charlie-tca> If you really can't support both, you should not be placed in a position that says you will.
[00:47] <slangasek> lamont: acorn is declining to reply to ssh; can you persuade it?
[00:50] <GrueMaster> So, what's the current reason for the armel image respin?
[00:53] <slangasek> GrueMaster: there were updates to packages (lsb, tzdata) present on all images
[00:55] <GrueMaster> grumble.
[00:55] <GrueMaster> Good thing I keep a list of bugs on my notepad.
[00:58] <slangasek> kubuntu-mobile (i386) posted; xubuntu alternate posted
[00:59] <slangasek> (kubuntu alternate as well)
[01:10] <slangasek> ubuntu desktop posted
[01:11] <slangasek> kubuntu desktop posted too
[01:30] <slangasek> ubuntu-server posted
[01:33] <slangasek> xubuntu desktop posted
[01:34] <lamont> slangasek: acorn persuasion is done with an honest to goodness human finger applied in the right place
[01:34] <lamont> sadly, we have no such fingers in that data center at this time.
[01:34] <lamont> slangasek: so annonaceae is about to become the new acorn
[01:34] <lamont> though, well, PROCESS.
[01:34] <lamont> I'll update you has I have word
[01:37] <slangasek> ok; I'll be afk for the next hour or so
[01:40] <lamont> OK.  TOTALLY ECHAN and all that.. but HTF do I get compiz to quit deciding that just because I bumped into thte top of the screen that I MUST want it to do fullscreen with the window that I'm MOVING???
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[02:11] <ScottK> lamont: Come on, you know configuration options are evil and must be avoided.  User choice is more trouble than it's worth.
[02:12] <lamont> 421 4.4.2 Message submission rate for this client IP add
[02:12] <lamont> ress has exceeded the configured limit (in reply to MAIL FROM command) <-- now that's just plain rude
[02:12] <lamont> ScottK: gar
[02:12] <lamont> what's worse is that after you de-fullscreen it, you get to start over agian
[02:25] <lamont> someone clueful wanna give me an example package that acorn actually builds?  or shall I just test it with base?
[02:26] <lamont> s/it/annonaceae/
[02:37] <highvoltage> all of that is configurable in ccsm
[02:43] <charlie-tca> slangasek: thanks.
[02:47] <lamont> sladen: finally actually heading home.  On the bright side, there's a fair chance that once I'm there it'll take less than 5 minutes to have annonaceae live for you
[02:47] <lamont> slangasek: ^^
[02:47] <lamont> have I mentioned that 3 characters + tab should be SUFFICIENT?
[03:15] <slangasek> mythbuntu, edubuntu posted
[03:16] <slangasek> that leaves arm (waiting for acorn++ to be online); ubuntu, kubuntu dvds
[03:20] <stgraber> yeah! /me starts downloading
[03:22] <slangasek> it's so hard to not type 'syncamore'
[03:25] <slangasek> all the omap4 builds have cleared on sycamore, so I'm starting the first of the omap builds over there to soak up the spare buildd cycles while waiting for onomatopoeia.buildd to come online
[03:25] <ScottL> are the alternative images rebuilding again?
[03:26] <slangasek> not "again", the alternate image respin started 4 hours ago and has finished now for all flavors
[03:31] <slangasek> skaet_, cjwatson: it looks like the livefs builds are done with natty-security enabled, and the alternate builds without (noticed via http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/weatherreport.html due to krb5) - is this intended/expected?
[03:33] <slangasek> wow, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ got spiffed up when I wasn't looking
[03:34]  * lamont returns
[03:35] <stgraber> hmm, looks like removing language-support didn't help much for the powerpc image
[03:35] <stgraber> I'm wondering what can be removed to get it under 700MB and still have it working ...
[03:35] <lamont> slangasek: kick a build on annonaceae.buildd?
[03:37] <lamont> slangasek: give it a minute more
[03:37] <slangasek> lamont: say when
[03:41] <lamont> slangasek: kick it
[03:42] <slangasek> it seems to like me
[03:49] <lamont> \o/
[04:14] <SpamapS> hrm.. iso.qa.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be working for me
[04:16] <stgraber> SpamapS: loads fine here
[04:16] <SpamapS> just spinning for me. :-/
[04:16] <SpamapS> SYN begat no ACK
[05:06] <lamont> slangasek: I'd be interested to know how timings compare (in the post-ubuntu-headless cases)
[05:09] <lamont> slangasek: I'm asserting that the acorn->annonaceae change is permanent, fyi
[05:10] <lamont> that at least gives us one livecd builder that we can remote powerstab
[05:10] <ScottK> Because you're evil and like to give people difficult names to type?
[05:10] <lamont> ScottK: ah, come on, it's not that bad
[05:10] <lamont> it's not actinidiaceae
[05:11] <lamont> and 'aceae' falls trippingly off the left hand with practice...
[05:11] <ScottK> It has more vowels (almost in a row) than it's predecessor has letters.
[05:11] <lamont> 'c' is not a vowel
[05:12] <ScottK> Thus the almost.
[05:12] <cjwatson> lamont: I gave you the exact compizconfig-settings-manager thing for disabling fullscreen-on-drag-to-top the other day
[05:12] <ScottK> OK, half in a row.
[05:12] <lamont> custard apple.
[05:13] <lamont> cjwatson: oh!  so I just fail at reading.  this is cool
[05:13] <lamont> except for the failing part
[05:13] <cjwatson> 22:54 <cjwatson> or Grid -> Edges -> Resize Actions -> Top Edge = None
[05:14] <cjwatson> slangasek: I can't decide which one of those two surprises me
[05:16]  * ScottK found building with -security suprising, but not necessarily a bad thing.
[05:18] <lamont> I suspect that -security may be my doing
[05:19] <cjwatson> it's easy to change for the alternates/server if we want to (debian-cd/CONF.sh SECURITY=)
[05:19] <lamont> 185      adconra |     echo deb $MIRROR ${STE}-security ${COMP} >> ${ROOT}etc/apt/sources.list
[05:19] <lamont> 'twasn't me
[05:20] <lamont> 64  lamont@ | deb ${SECMIRROR} ${STE}-security ${COMP}
[05:20] <lamont> meh
[05:22] <lamont> it's only built with -security since januaru 2005 <-- slangasek
[05:24] <ScottK> Right, the part that's different is -security not being empty at release.
[05:24] <lamont> or for any .X subsequent release
[05:24] <lamont> it's a religious thing
[06:02] <ScottK> cjwatson: I'm off to bed.  There are three syncs waiting for you.  There are also some unprocessed removal bugs.  I also left one package in the queue for if you need to stimulate a publisher run.  I'll reappear in about 6 hours to see if anything else got uploaded before the unseeded final deadline.
[06:04] <slangasek> lamont: timings look pretty comparable between annonaceae and sycamore - right on the order of 1h
[06:04] <slangasek> I don't have any relevant successful runs on acorn to compare with
[06:04] <cjwatson> ScottK: right, thanks
[06:12] <skaet> hmm... seems there are some builds still failing due to synching locks
[06:13] <slangasek> transient error, please ignore the mail :)
[06:14] <skaet> slangasek,  coolio.   what's left?  and how look the images from the last few hours?
[06:14] <slangasek> left still are arm images, due to a builder problem plus a typo in my last bit of shell scripting; they should start arriving shortly
[06:15] <cjwatson> unless we want to rebuild alternates/servers with -security on
[06:16] <cjwatson> but perhaps we should just leave that alone for this cycle
[06:17] <skaet> cjwatson,  +1 for leave alone at this point unless someone comes up with a VERY good reason.
[06:17] <cjwatson> nah, I'm easy, let's just leave it then
[06:17] <skaet> slangasek,  I'm not seeing the DVD's on the iso tracker.  Have they emerged?
[06:18] <slangasek> skaet: yes, posted < 20min ago - refresh?
[06:18] <skaet> slangasek, yup,  refresh was needed.
[06:18] <skaet> thanks
[06:20] <skaet> cjwatson,  you in london now?
[06:20] <cjwatson> no, just about to leave Cambridge
[06:21] <slangasek> and please ignore /those/ mails also
[06:21]  * slangasek whistles and hits ^C a few more times at random
[06:21] <cjwatson> I should be there by 9:30 or so assuming there's no particular transport chaos
[06:22] <cjwatson> packing up now, see you on the other side
[06:22] <skaet> sounds good,  can you take a quick look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/770256
[06:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770256 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Reboots after Wubi install via ubiquity repeatedly ask to uninstall (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:22] <skaet> cjwatson,  never mind.   We'll talk about in london.
[06:22] <slangasek> "assuming these images test out, and the British rail system is reliable, we'll have an on-time release"
[06:22] <slangasek> ;)
[06:23]  * skaet shakes head,  and wonders what else murphy has in store :P
[06:23] <skaet> slangasek,  thanks for pushing those images through for the last few hours.   Appreciate it.
[06:23] <slangasek> no prob
[06:36] <skaet> slangasek,  what order are the arm images building in?
[06:37] <slangasek> skaet: ubuntu-netbook will be done shortly, then kubuntu, ubuntu-headless, kubuntu-mobile
[06:38] <slangasek> (order scrambled somewhat compared to what was originally queued, due to the builddery)
[06:38] <skaet> slangasek, cool,  thanks.  let me know when you're calling it a night,  and I'll start monitoring/posting until cjwatson arrives in london.
[06:40] <slangasek> oh, actually, looks like kubuntu-mobile will be done before ubuntu-headless
[06:40] <slangasek> and furthermore they should all be done within the hour
[06:42] <skaet> sweet.  :)
[06:43] <slangasek> right, there's ubuntu-netbook
[06:51] <slangasek> kubuntu desktop preinstalled posted
[06:54] <skaet> GrueMaster, Riddell, ScottK,  ^^
[06:54] <slangasek> kubuntu-mobile up
[06:55] <slangasek> ubuntu-headless up, and that's a wrap
[06:55] <slangasek> skaet: over to you :)
[06:59] <pitti> Good morning
[07:00] <pitti> slangasek, cjwatson: for the record, in case you ever need a harmless main package to put a seed change into effect, we could sync tzdata again
[07:00] <pitti> (we'll prepare an SRU for it)
[07:13] <skaet> slangasek,  thanks!   sleep well.  :)
[07:13] <skaet> good morning pitti
[07:57]  * skaet --> breakfast, then shifting to office.  biab
[09:23] <smoser> skaet, good morning.
[09:23] <smoser> any reason that jamespage and i should not start testing today's uec images
[09:30] <skaet> smoser,  jamespage - no reasons on my horizon,  go at it.
[09:30] <smoser> skaet, thank you
[09:32] <smoser> skaet, so you or someone else ther ecan then seed the iso tracker from http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/natty/20110426/
[09:34] <skaet> smoser,  ok,  will do
[10:30] <jibel> ev, another 'out of memory' crasher, bug 770865
[10:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770865 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with IOError in command(): [Errno 32] Broken pipe (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770865
[10:31] <jibel> but it crashed at a different place than bug 769359
[10:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769359 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Out of memory error on Kubuntu full disk install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769359
[10:39] <jibel> ev, could it be a problem with swap space being disabled at some point ? I noticed that in both cases "Total swap = 0kB"
[10:40] <ev> well, the installer will swapoff on any devices you're going to wipe
[10:40] <ev> jibel: I'm going to have a play around with kvm in a minute
[11:12] <cjwatson> partman-auto upload on its way to release pocket, acked by skaet and pgraner, reviewed by ev; fixes bug 770041, which is fatal to server installs in certain pre-existing situations and cannot be fixed post-release
[11:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770041 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "partitioner hangs if libparted sees partitions for which device nodes don't exist (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770041
[11:13] <ev> new wubi is up, waiting on cmsj to sign before it's ready for the next CD build
[11:16] <pitti> cjwatson: that affects all images except arm preinstall, I suppose?
[11:17] <cjwatson> pitti: server and alternate
[11:17] <pitti> ah
[11:17] <cjwatson> pitti: theoretically desktop too but I can't ever see anyone attempting a desktop install in the kind of partitioning environment that would trigger it
[11:18] <cjwatson> at the very least it'll be a few orders of magnitude rarer
[11:18] <cjwatson> so I'm not inclined to worry about that
[11:54] <ScottK> cjwatson or pitti: There's three removal bugs still pending for ubuntu-archive.  Can they be dealt with post-release?
[11:55] <ScottK> post/pre
[11:55] <ScottK> (early here)
[11:56] <ScottK> Also there's still one multiverse package in queue I've been holding in case you need a publisher run.  We're 5 minutes from Unseeded freeze, so I do plan to accept it unless I hear otherwise.
[11:56] <ScottK> skaet: ^^^
[11:56] <pitti> ScottK: I'll look at the removal bugs
[11:56] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:57] <jibel> pitti, is it intended to have german langpack only on i386 ?
[11:57] <jibel> I mean on the iso
[11:57] <pitti> jibel: "intended" is too strong, but we can't fit it on amd64, I guess
[11:58] <ScottK> I'd say we 'intend' things to fit on one CD.
[11:58] <ScottK> The rest is just consequences.
[11:58] <pitti> i386 still has 15 MB free, so we could add French back
[11:59] <ScottK> ev: My crash happened after swapoff (I did see that in top the time I tried to see if I could catch a memory spike anywhere)
[11:59] <ScottK> (769359)
[11:59] <jibel> pitti, ScottK  :-) ok, thanks
[12:00] <cjwatson> ScottK: yeah, I was about to start looking at the removal bugs, having just done the sync ones
[12:00] <cjwatson> but if pitti is working on them, that's fine too
[12:02] <pitti> jibel: chrisccoulson was just pointing out a rather severe bug in language-selector; did you see test results for non-English installations?
[12:02] <pitti> it still tries to install gnome-user-guide-LANG, but these were removed in a recent gnome-user-docs upload
[12:03] <jibel> pitti, I'll reproduce. give me 15 minutes
[12:04] <pitti> jibel: if it just happens in the GUI, it's fine for an SRU, but I'm worried if that breaks actual installations, as it uses a script in language-selector to figure out missing packages
[12:04] <pitti> chances are that it won't, and that ubiquity will just ignore the missing packages
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 771176 (i can't target it though)
[12:04] <pitti> ScottK: removals done
[12:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771176 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "langauge-selector non-functional in natty due to missing gnome-user-guide-xx packages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771176
[12:04] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:04] <jibel> pitti, it doesn't break installation. I tried French and German this morning
[12:04] <ScottK> I'm going through the -release bugs now.
[12:04] <pitti> jibel: *phew*
[12:05] <pitti> jibel: merci beaucoup for testing
[12:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: pushed a fix, uploading to -proposed; thanks!
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - cool, thanks for fixing quickly :)
[12:08] <jibel> pitti, bitte
[12:13] <cjwatson> pitti: we had to take a language pack out.  how's there suddenly room to put it back in?
[12:16] <pitti> cjwatson: not sure; but the image is 685 MB, French takes 14.3 MB; so perhaps the rounding is too optimistic and it would overflow
[12:17] <pitti> I didn't touch the seeds so far; there'd be too little margin for build/compression noise either way
[12:17] <pitti> lunch, bbl
[12:17] <ScottK> pitti: Looks like one of the VDR sync's didn't get done: Bug 768200
[12:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768200 in vdr-plugin-osdteletext (Ubuntu) "Sync vdr-plugin-osdteletext 0.9.0-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768200
[12:18] <pitti> ScottK: oh, doing
[12:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:20] <cjwatson> pitti: yeah, I'd prefer to leave it now
[12:20] <pitti> ScottK: speaking about syncs, WDYT about bug 752396 ?
[12:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 752396 in bzr-fastimport (Ubuntu) "bzr-fastimport is not listed in "bzr plugins" list (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752396
[12:20]  * pitti checks debdiff
[12:20] <ScottK> pitti: I'd say go for it.
[12:21] <pitti> (it's not on any image)
[12:21] <pitti> ok, it fixes just that, plus test suite updates; syncing
[12:35] <cjwatson> ogra_: so, this bug with double "headless" in image names: it's currently that way for preinstalled-netbook images too.  would you be OK with both of those ending up as ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-{headless,netbook}-armel+{omap,omap4}.img.gz?
[12:36] <cjwatson> that seems to me to be the right one of the dup pair to drop
[12:36] <ogra_> sure
[12:36] <ogra_> i dont really care which one we drop as long as the duplication is gone :)
[12:36] <cjwatson> I think if I do that they may also end up in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/ rather than http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-{headless,netbook}/releases/natty/release/
[12:36] <cjwatson> is that OK too?
[12:37] <ogra_> definitely better ! :)
[12:37] <ogra_> we'll need to adjust wiki docs though (/me makes a note)
[12:40] <ScottK> Release team bug list is now empty.
[12:42] <jamespage> skaet: hey
[12:42] <jamespage> skaet: we seem to be missing a few test cases from the ISO tracker for asia-pacific regions - the EBS tests are missing
[12:43] <jamespage> skaet: can you fix this up for me?
[12:53] <skaet> jibel,  ^^ can you help jamespage?
[13:11] <pitti> ScottK: empty bug list> great work!
[13:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:16] <jibel> jamespage, ap ebs is there now.
[13:16] <jibel> 4 were missing
[13:16] <ogra_> ScottK, btw, i filed a spec request to better document whats needed to enable new unsupported community images, i hope we can work through that together to have a list of things future people need to regard to get community images for new arches
[13:17] <ScottK> Great.
[13:17] <jamespage> skaet, jibel: thanks
[13:23] <ev> jibel: not sure if you saw the note about the impending non-livefs desktop respin for the wubi fix.
[13:23] <ev> but yeah, we're respinning the cd without a new livefs
[13:26] <cjwatson> rebuilding server and alternates: echo ubuntu server; for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily; echo ubuntu alternate; for-project ubuntu cron.daily; echo kubuntu alternate; for-project kubuntu cron.daily; echo xubuntu alternate; for-project xubuntu cron.daily; echo ubuntu studio; for-project ubuntustudio cron.daily
[13:27] <cjwatson> (for partman-auto 93ubuntu16)
[13:27] <skaet> jibel, pgraner,  ^^
[13:31] <pgraner> skaet, ack
[13:32] <pgraner> jibel, rebuilding server and alternates
[13:33] <jibel> pgraner,  desktop as well (for wubi) ?
[13:34] <cjwatson> jibel: we don't have a signed image from IS yet
[13:35] <cjwatson> RT#45487
[13:35] <jibel> ok
[13:35] <cjwatson> desktop and I guess DVD ought to go after that
[14:02] <stgraber> good morning
[14:03] <pgraner> stgraber, morning
[14:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: not sure if it's documented anywhere but Edubuntu doesn't ship wubi (we'll probably want to change that for Oneiric though) so we won't need a rebuild for wubi
[14:13] <jibel> stgraber, in bug 770381 there's a task opened for mdadm, is there something left to do or should I close it ?
[14:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770381 in mdadm (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "mdadm does not start automatically at boot due to LOG_DAEMON_MSG being unset (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770381
[14:13] <stgraber> jibel: hmm, forgot to mark this one invalid. The bug was in lsb, not mdadm (though mdadm's init script could be improved, but that's not really a bug)
[14:14] <jibel> stgraber, ok thanks
[14:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: noted, thanks
[14:16] <cjwatson> IIRC it's just Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[14:16] <jibel> cjwatson, what's the status of bug 728088, no fix for final ?
[14:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728088 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "iscsi root with or without auth fails to boot (affects: 2) (heat: 80)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728088
[14:17] <cjwatson> jibel: I don't know, I was actually about to ask Daviey about it when he came back into the room
[14:18] <cjwatson> he had ownership of figuring out a way to reproduce it
[14:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: hm, in fact it really is "everything but Edubuntu"
[14:19] <cjwatson> not entirely sure if say kubuntu-mobile really needs it ...
[14:19] <stgraber> yeah, and Edubuntu missing it isn't intentional. I only looked for it 2 days ago so it was a bit late to get it fixed :)
[14:20] <cjwatson> stgraber: it was intentional at one point - we have explicit code for it in cdimage
[14:20] <cjwatson>                 if [ "$PROJECT" != livecd-base ] && [ "$PROJECT" != edubuntu ]; then
[14:20] <stgraber> could that be some remaining code of the addon cd era ?
[14:21] <stgraber> hmm, I'd guess not as the addon didn't have a livefs so shouldn't have had wubi for that reason
[14:22] <stgraber> anyway, it's in our Oneiric todolist to see if wubi works properly with Edubuntu and if so, have it put back on the DVD
[14:24] <cjwatson> stgraber: I think there was something to use umenu rather than wubi on the add-on CDs, maybe
[14:28] <Daviey> jibel, So, i tried to reproduce it in virtualbox, and didn't see the issue. :/
[14:31] <cjwatson> Ubuntu server, Ubuntu alternate, Kubuntu alternate posted
[14:51] <cjwatson> Xubuntu alternate posted
[15:05] <jibel> Daviey, sorry, my connection dropped.
[15:05] <jibel> Daviey, did you talk to patrickdk, the user who reported this issue. He's usually on #ubuntu-testing
[15:17] <cjwatson> Ubuntu Studio posted
[15:39] <cjwatson> is anyone going to fix kubuntu-full to be installable?  (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html)
[15:39] <ScottK> Let me look into it.
[15:39] <cjwatson> seems to be a disagreement about the exact set of available language packs
[15:40] <cjwatson> possibly an SRU at this point, since it would be nice not to have to rebuild desktop livefses?
[15:47] <ScottK> cjwatson: I think armel probably isn't trivially fixable.  We don't have a dvd for that, so I'm reasonably sure we don't care.
[15:48] <cjwatson> I was more asking for x86 really
[15:53] <ScottK> That's about done.
[15:53] <cjwatson> ok, sru?
[15:54] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:54] <ScottK> Uploaded.
[15:54]  * cjwatson nods, thanks
[15:54] <cjwatson> we probably ought to rebuild the Kubuntu DVD livefses against that
[15:55] <cjwatson> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/report.html)
[15:56] <ScottK> You want it to -release then?
[15:56] <cjwatson> no, I think -proposed would be ine
[15:56] <cjwatson> *fine
[15:56] <cjwatson> saves skew between release archive and the desktop images
[15:57] <cjwatson> since it's a binary of kubuntu-meta
[15:57] <ev> signed wubi is now in the right place
[15:57] <ev> cds should be ready to go
[16:00] <cjwatson> ScottK: is it intentional that kubuntu-mobile includes wubi?
[16:00] <ScottK> No.
[16:00] <ScottK> There's no use case where we would possible care.
[16:00] <ScottK> possible/possibly.
[16:00] <cjwatson> should I respin and remove it, or just leave it as is?
[16:01] <ScottK> There's no testing on the current image, so respin without it would be nice, but it's perfectly acceptable to leave it as is.
[16:01] <ScottK> (I don't know what else you've got on your plate, so low priority)
[16:02] <cjwatson> I've committed the code change for that, in any event
[16:02] <cjwatson> so I can do that at the end of the list
[16:02] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:02] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: do you want to respin Xubuntu for bug 770256?
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770256 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Reboots after Wubi install via ubiquity repeatedly ask to uninstall (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770256
[16:03] <cjwatson> superm1: do you want to respin Mythbuntu for bug 770256?
[16:04] <ScottK> cjwatson: Updated kubuntu-meta is in queue for -proposed.
[16:06]  * cjwatson looks
[16:06] <cjwatson> thanks, accepting
[16:09] <charlie-tca> How bad is that going to screw up the windows users?
[16:09] <ogra> hmm, somehow the slideshow vanished from out preinstalled images
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I think I can release note, thus no respin needed for 770256
[16:11] <ogra> i would have blamed the latest meta upload, but nothing regarding the slideshow changed in the seeds
[16:11] <ogra> so i dont get why it wouldnt end up on the images
[16:14] <superm1> cjwatson, no concerns for mythbuntu respinning for that -
[16:20] <cjwatson> superm1: so respin or no?
[16:21] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: FWIW I'll be respinning Ubuntu and Kubuntu, if that influences your decision
[16:22] <charlie-tca> Okay, go ahead and respin it, I don't have any tests done yet anyway
[16:23] <cjwatson> righto - thanks
[16:23] <scott-work> cjwatson: if we end up respinning ubuntustudio-alternative again could you give me a heads up, i have people who are scheduled to test
[16:23] <cjwatson> (it'll be a livefs-only respin)
[16:24] <cjwatson> scott-work: the one that was just done is the last I know of
[16:24] <cjwatson> scott-work: sorry if it interfered, I didn't see many tests already there
[16:29] <jdstrand> robbiew, Daviey: fyi, bug #771305
[16:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771305 in samba (Ubuntu) "smbd does not start on first boot with 20110426 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771305
[16:29] <jdstrand> s/first boot/reboot/
[16:31] <superm1> cjwatson, no respin
[16:33] <cjwatson> superm1: ok, thanks
[16:34] <robbiew> jdstrand: ack...will look at it...thnx
[16:34] <jdstrand> robbiew: seems upstarty, fwiw
[16:34] <robbiew> yeah...that's what I suspect
[16:36] <jdstrand> robbiew: I saw it yesterday too, I apologize for not filing a bug then (I only made a comment in the test case; thought it was intermittent, but today after several reboots it was not)
[16:36] <robbiew> no worries...not a HUGE bug and seems like an easy SRU
[16:37]  * jdstrand nods
[16:41] <ScottK> Famous last words ...
[16:51] <robbiew> ScottK: heh...indeed
[16:55] <Daviey> jdstrand, thanks
[17:02] <cjwatson> Xubuntu alternate posted (again)
[17:46] <ogra> cjwatson, we might need a respin for omap3, can we roll that subarch separately (so we dont need to retest omap4)
[17:47] <cjwatson> ogra: that is possible, yes
[17:47] <ogra> k, thanks
[17:47] <cjwatson> damn, need to get round to respinning desktops!
[17:47] <ogra> still discussing (david just talks to kate)
[17:48] <cjwatson> (caught up in RL conversations)
[17:48] <ogra> :)
[17:48] <cjwatson> echo ubuntu desktop; for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live && build-chinese-edition /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso; echo kubuntu desktop; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; echo xubuntu desktop; for-project xubuntu cron.daily-live
[17:48] <cjwatson> running
[17:55] <stgraber> cjwatson: is there a specific package to report bug against for the timezone selection in d-i ?
[17:55] <cjwatson> stgraber: yes, tzsetup
[17:56] <stgraber> cjwatson: my IP here got added to maxmind's database just a few months ago and the Canonical geolocation server wasn't updated since then, so it selects "None" as the timezone and doesn't seem to be bothered about it :) (I'd expect d-i to prompt me to choose a valid timezone then)
[17:57] <cjwatson> yes, that does seem odd
[18:01] <elmo> wait, wut?  we have a maxmind subscription
[18:01] <elmo> or is this the non-maxmind DB?
[18:02] <cjwatson> it's whatever http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup does
[18:02] <stgraber> elmo: geoip.ubuntu.com my IP is 74.114.101.93
[18:02] <stgraber> elmo: on maxmind's website I correctly get Country, Region, Region Name, City, ... but /lookup returns None for pretty much everything
[18:02] <dobey> what is the 'deadline' for being able to have 0-day SRU?
[18:04] <stgraber> elmo: bug 771361 has the output of /lookup from here
[18:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771361 in tzsetup (Ubuntu) "When IP isn't in maxmind's database, None gets selected as a locale (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771361
[18:04] <cjwatson> dobey: release
[18:04] <dobey> cjwatson: ok, so anything i upload to -proposed today should be able to get in?
[18:05] <dobey> or tomorrow even i guess
[18:05] <cjwatson> dobey: in principle yes, though you'll have to let us know
[18:05] <ev> (fwiw, http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup?ip=74.114.101.93 )
[18:05] <cjwatson> (if you want expedited processing)
[18:06] <dobey> cjwatson: ok, will do, thanks!
[18:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, hulp ... i need a hint for a quoting issue ...
[18:07] <ogra_> i'm currently setting board_opts="mpurate=900" ... that ends up on the kernel cmdline of the image
[18:07] <cjwatson> ok
[18:07] <ogra_> the found fix is that we need (literally) mpurate=${mpurate} on the final cmdline
[18:08] <cjwatson> board_opts='mpurate=${mpurate}'
[18:08] <ogra_> using board_opts='mpurate=${mpurate}'  in the script will get me that (vs expanding ${mpurate}) right ?
[18:08] <elmo> oh, right, we can't use the paid one
[18:08] <elmo> even though we pay for it
[18:08] <ogra_> cjwatson, ah, snap :)
[18:08] <elmo> the terms won't let us, since we're essentially exposing their DB to the world
[18:08] <ogra_> thanks a lot, i was unsure
[18:09] <stgraber> elmo: and I'm guessing they don't update the free one very often ?
[18:10] <elmo> stgraber: it's at least 6 months lagged
[18:10] <ogra_> cjwatson, debian-cd updated, feel free to re-roll omap3 at will
[18:12] <elmo> stgraber: (I think)
[18:20] <cjwatson> I have a funny feeling we fixed the None case a while back in ubiquity at least, but I can't find it
[18:26] <cjwatson> Ubuntu desktop, Kubuntu desktop, Xubuntu desktop posted (Wubi fix)
[18:28] <cjwatson> echo ubuntu headless; ARCHES=armel+omap for-project ubuntu-headless cron.daily-preinstalled; echo ubuntu netbook; ARCHES=armel+omap for-project ubuntu-netbook cron.daily-preinstalled
[18:28] <cjwatson> running
[18:31] <stgraber> cjwatson: yeah, ubiquity doesn't select anything for me, so I just have to click somewhere on the map and it works (it doesn't show None anywhere)
[19:02] <cjwatson> ubuntu headless omap3 posted
[19:07] <highvoltage> I think I may have found a bad bug, Edubuntu amd64 suddenly needs a lot more disk space to install (ubiquity says I need 14.1 GB free space and it used to be about half that)
[19:08] <highvoltage> have anyone noticed something similar in other 64bit isos?
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:02 <cjwatson> ubuntu headless omap3 posted
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:03 <cjwatson> something odd is wrong with netbook
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:03 <cjwatson> http://annonaceae.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/natty/ubuntu-netbook-omap/ doesn't exist
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:04 <cjwatson> I guess that was changed recently
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:03 <cjwatson> http://annonaceae.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/natty/ubuntu-netbook-omap/ doesn't exist
[19:08] <cjwatson> (er, sorry for dup)
[19:08] <cjwatson> looks like acorn->annonaceae was a recent change, so doing a full netbook build
[19:08] <cjwatson> can somebody please post that to the tracker (omap3 only) when it's done?  I'm going out for dinner now and may not be back tonight
[19:09] <cjwatson> highvoltage: it was deliberately increased recently, though I didn't think it was by that much
[19:09] <cjwatson> (but, as I said, off out)
[19:09] <slangasek> yes, ubuntu-netbook's omap livefs build was done on sycamore... I hand-hacked find-livefs-build to get it to pull from the right place at the time
[19:09] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'll do it
[19:09] <cjwatson> thanks
[19:10] <cjwatson> slangasek: ah well, too late, it's rebuilding now
[19:10] <slangasek> ok
[19:10] <slangasek> 'sonly an hour to build it, not like the bad-old-days of armel builds
[19:10] <cjwatson> yeah
[19:10] <cjwatson> off out now
[19:10]  * slangasek waves
[19:10] <highvoltage> cjwatson: thanks for the clarification, I guess we can change the edubuntu minimum specs to have a 20GB hard disk then
[19:11] <highvoltage> (and have fun!)
[19:11] <stgraber> marked netbook armel+omap3 for rebuild on the tracker, will monitor cdimage to see when the new one appears
[19:51] <lamont> cjwatson: acorn->annonaceae was a late-last-night-when-acorn-died change
[20:00] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: Need to respin kubuntu-preinstalled-desktop & mobile for omap3 as well.
[20:01] <slangasek> GrueMaster: cjwatson is off and I'm not finding the explanation for the respins in scrollback; can you fill me in?
[20:02] <ogra_> slangasek, changed kernel cmdline options for omap3
[20:02] <ogra_> mpurate was set to 900 which means all beagles try to set the CPU to 900MHz
[20:03] <ogra_> the change sets mpurate=${mpurate} and we can export $mpurate from an u-boot update
[20:03] <ogra_> (u-boot has a table for that value)
[20:04] <slangasek> ogra_: so this only requires a respin of the image, not the livefs?
[20:04] <ogra_> from that table the value is set accoprding to the board u-boot detects, instead of having a hardcoded 900 in there
[20:04] <ogra_> right, just the image
[20:05] <ogra_> though i think we have removal code in the build scripts, might be hard to find a filesystem
[20:05] <ogra_> (since our rootfs is huge before compressing)
[20:19] <slangasek> respins scheduled
[20:19] <ogra_> merci
[20:38] <bdmurray> I just noticed there is a hibernate option when running the Live CD
[20:42] <stgraber> Ubuntu netbook armel omap3 finished building and is now on the tracker
[20:53] <ogra_> stgraber, thanks !
[20:59] <bdmurray> slangasek - I just noticed there is a hibernate option when running the Live CD
[21:19] <bdmurray> hello?
[21:31] <pitti> skaet, cjwatson: should we move kubuntu-meta to -updates now, so that we can build the kubuntu DVD with it?
[21:32] <pitti> sorry, I had a server downtime and lost this evening's scrollback
[21:32] <bdmurray> pitti: apport seems to be enabled on the live cds afaict
[21:32] <pitti> bdmurray: right, casper does that
[21:32] <pitti> so that we can get install failures for ubiquity etc.
[21:33] <bdmurray> ah, okay that does sound familiar
[21:34] <bdmurray> I noticed hibernation appears in the live cd power menu too is that deliberate?
[21:34] <pitti> that sounds like a bug -- the live system doesn't have any swap it could hibernate to
[21:35] <pitti> unless it uses the ones on the installed system
[21:35] <pitti> but that would be a bug, too
[21:35] <bdmurray> the live cd I was using did use my installed system's swap
[21:35] <bdmurray> er did mount
[21:35] <pitti> "use" is correct, swap isn't mounted :)
[21:35] <bdmurray> it looks the gconf key in 32disable_hibernation is wrong
[21:36] <pitti> but anyway; it's probably debatable that it's doing that
[21:36] <pitti> bdmurray: hibernation is supposed to be enabled in the installed system
[21:36] <pitti> there's an example config file how to disable it
[21:36] <pitti> we had it disabled by default for a while, but there was too much pushback from both users and OEM team
[21:36] <pitti> this needs some more thought, there's an UDS topic about it
[21:36] <bdmurray> right I'm saying it showed up when running the Live CD
[21:37] <pitti> right
[21:37] <pitti> ah, the casper script is wrong, yes
[21:37] <bdmurray> looks like it was reported as bug 610351
[21:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 610351 in casper (Ubuntu) "scripts/casper-bottom/32disable_hibernation sets /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/can_hibernate (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610351
[21:38] <pitti> too late for natty now, as we can't SRU it, but I'll get it fixed for oneiric
[21:38] <bdmurray> what would happen if people tried to hibernate? wouldn't data be written to their swap partition?
[21:39] <pitti> right
[21:39] <pitti> it probably won't come back, though
[21:40] <bdmurray> yes but whatever they had on their swap partition (a different hibernation?) would be lost
[21:40] <pitti> in principle it could work, but I don't think this has ever been tested
[21:40] <pitti> no, swap partitions with a hibernate image have a different signature and won't be automounted
[21:40] <jibel> ev, I've just got the 'Out of memory' error, process killed was swapoff, seems rather critical
[21:40] <pitti> at least that part should work
[21:41] <bdmurray> okay sounds reasonable
[21:41] <slangasek> bdmurray: hibernate> hmm.  Does it work?
[21:42] <slangasek> ah, I gather "no"
[21:43] <pitti> the hibernation would certainly work; but I'm less sure whether the iniramfs for the live system has teh necessary resuming bits, and whether all the aufs, squashfs etc. stuff would survive that
[21:43] <bdmurray> well hibernating seems to but resuming is hard
[22:17] <jibel> ScottK, we are fixing bug 769356, the link for kubuntu release notes is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview or there's another specific to kubuntu ?
[22:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769356 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Kubuntu installer release notes link points http://www.kubuntu.org/news to (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769356
[23:19] <jibel> ev, skaet bug 771517 a consequence of the fix of 770256 ?
[23:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771517 in wubi "Natty Wubi install via ubiquity fails saying no such file or directory found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771517
[23:21] <skaet> jibel,  did this just showed up with the latest builds from this afternoon or was it around before?  can't tell from the bug.
[23:21] <jibel> skaet, brand new bug
[23:24] <skaet> Riddell, ScottL, stgraber, highvoltage, superm1,   can you please review your products on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest,  and confirm what is being produced, and where its being broadcast and announced,  matches your expectations.  If so,  please add your signoff to "Sign-off Date" column.
[23:24] <skaet> jibel,  brand new bug on this afternoon's build?   or brand new bug on earlier image?
[23:24] <jibel> skaet, with the latest build
[23:26] <jibel> I'll try to reproduce tomorrow morning.
[23:30] <skaet> thanks jibel,  we prob need ev to get this sorted if confirmed,   sleep well
[23:34] <jibel> skaet, thanks, you too, see you tomorrow.
[23:39] <highvoltage> skaet: done
[23:40] <skaet> highvoltage, thanks!