[00:01] uhoh, new google doodle. must be getting close to bedtime [00:13] tugrik: mind if I ask what you are trying to do? [00:19] it's ok, turns out some kind of anacron issue means none of my cron.daily jobs have run in the last month [00:19] including log rotation [00:19] but fixed it now [00:19] nn :) [00:20] ok, good :) [00:20] nn dude o/ [01:16] hello [01:16] does anyone here play enemy territory? I'm wanting to set resolution defaults, but don't know where to. [01:20] n1md4, look in ~/.enemyterritory/ for a .cfg file (i'm guessing because its based on quake 3 and thats the kind of thing quake 3 does) [01:54] gord: thanks, found it. Was .etwolf, got it working now too :D [04:55] hello [04:57] mornin. [06:46] Anyone up yet? [06:48] What after a 4 day holiday weekend? You must be kidding forkball [06:49] TheOpenSourcerer: Ah, you get longer holidays than we do. [06:50] I worked yesterday and it was not fun. [06:51] brb, rebooting. [06:58] Morning [07:11] I don't remember asking for Flash, but I'm impressed that it installed anyway. [07:16] I know, I'll download Big Buck Bunny and save that on her desktop. [07:16] ...then Tuxtype [07:16] Is there an #ubuntu-parents ? [07:16] morning [07:16] * AlanBell works out who forkball is [07:16] hello AlanBell [07:16] :-) [07:16] morning AlanBell [07:17] I'm ball, but I'm using fork's PC [07:17] morning [07:17] ...with forkbuntu :-) [07:18] I love this. I haven't had this much fun with a PC in years. [07:19] Hard disk is too loud though. I'll have to buy her a quieter one. [07:22] I'm a bit surprised this computer can't play Ogg/Theora at 480p [07:23] Ah, there it is. [07:25] That works. [07:28] It's 01:30 and her machine is officially working. I'm off to bed. [07:28] Have a good morning everyone! [08:14] Back in work after a wekk and a half away :( [08:25] Morning all [08:25] daubers: At least its only a 3 day week with bank holidays, a nice short start to get you back into it [08:28] DJones: There is that :) Also get to ride the bike in and out all week [08:29] I wouldn't mind riding to work, but 30 miles each way would be a bit of a drag [08:32] DJones: Wrong kind of bike :) [08:32] DJones: http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/bike/gz125k9/ <- My commuting vehicle this week [08:33] Morning all. [08:37] o/ [08:42] 125 cruisers always seem to be way more powerful than any other shape [08:43] Not quicker though :( [08:44] Did manage to sustain about 58 on the way in today mind you [08:44] haha, my brother's friend had a kymco 125 that almost kept up with us on 500s... [08:44] daubers: Heh, Must admit, I don't like motorbikes [08:44] which might say more about those 500s (or us) than it does about the kymco :) [08:45] Heh :) [08:46] BigRedS: I so want one of these http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/tourers/#!/st1300/ [08:52] mornin [08:53] hello all [08:54] Morning hoover MooDoo [08:54] daubers: I've an ST1100, and keep wondering about a 14300 [08:54] it's a lovely bike [08:55] weirdly sporty, and apparently the 1300 is moreso [09:00] can anyone help getting my headphone jack to work? [09:02] can anyone help getting my headphone jack to work? [09:08] zerosumgame: I'm not on ubuntu at the minute, but if you go into your sound preferences, have you made sure that the headphone jack isn't muted, I can't say the specific command because I'm not able to check properly at the minute [09:17] DJ yeah its not muted [09:18] when i put the headphones in it doesn't even stop the sound coming from the spekers [09:20] zerosumgame: Do you get sound out of both headphone & speaker, or just speaker [09:20] And which version of Ubuntu are you using [09:21] just speakers 10.10 === ChrisB_ is now known as Guest26574 [09:23] Is it a laptop? Which model [09:24] HP-Pavilion dv5 laptop [09:24] thanks for the help btw [09:25] Give me a minute, I'll see if I can find any suggestions on the ubuntu forums that might help [09:28] BigRedS: *jealous* [09:32] Good morning peeps. Who here wishes they had booked these 3 days off? [09:33] zerosumgame: I'm afraid I can't see anything specific about it, hopefully somebody else here will be able to help though [09:34] zerosumgame: that happens on some laptops when it fails to guess the speaker configuration [09:35] any idea how to fix that AlanBell? [09:38] zerosumgame: what is the output of lspci |grep Audio === an0key_ is now known as an0key [09:42] Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [09:42] 01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller [09:43] i think i need to edit the config file [09:43] hi folks i need some help with English. is there someone who can help me pls [09:46] brb need to reboot [09:55] what exaclty means "joint undertaking" [09:57] howdy [09:57] hi [09:58] osbeix: when 2 or more parties work together on something [09:58] oimon: thank you very much [10:14] have you guys seen this: tweetedtimes.com - it's like a google news page of your twitter feed === Guest97054 is now known as MichealH [10:38] AlanBell I got it to work thanks also to DJones [10:38] zerosumgame: What was the problem [10:39] i just added a line of to the alas config file which I found on the forum [10:39] Thats good that it wasn't to messy to solve [10:40] no i was surprised myself [10:40] updating to version 11 is easy right? [10:51] It should be, I upgraded to the beta a couple of weeks back with no problems, pretty much just a case of clicking the button to upgrade once the system said that a new version was available & it downloaded everything via the web [11:01] good morning everyone [11:02] Morning [11:03] morning bigcalm [11:04] Trying to get my head around some code I wrote 2 months ago. Wish I had documented it a little more [11:05] bigcalm: Isn't "Wish I had documented it a little more" up there with "I wish I'd kept backups" [11:09] DJones: I'd say it was a few steps below [11:10] And I try to write my code so that it doesn't need comments [11:10] I think you're right with that [11:10] $cammelCaseVariablesHelpDocumentCodeWithoutHavingToDocument [11:11] there's still the "why did that look like a good idea" bits, though [11:11] self commenting code ftw [11:11] Some code we got back from a 3rd party dev were obscure as hell [11:11] $a = $b['c']; // fail [11:11] And undocumented [11:12] that's why i gave up learning perl [11:12] the ability to create some of the most obscure code imaginable [11:16] oimon: it's not a requirement of writing perl, though! [11:19] BigRedS: seemed to be, from the examples i was reading - everything was hard to read! [11:19] BigRedS: are you sure? ;) [11:20] A laguage is only as good as the way it is used. So, find a better book on learning a language [11:21] For Perl, I suggest 'Learning Perl' and 'Perl Cookbook'. Both by O'Reilly [11:21] I like to think mine is pretty readable [11:22] The Perl CD Bookshelf is a very handy thing (if you're a Perl coder) [11:22] much of the 'modern perl' movement seems to be about making perl easier to read and write, bascially by trying to create defacto standards [11:22] i had the "programming perl" o reilly one [11:23] oimon: yeah, that's more about the language itself than writing it, I thought [11:23] A good book, but not great if you need to start learning [11:23] i don't remember now, twas a few years ago [11:27] * DJones wonders if the reason the postman is late is because we've got an abandoned post office bike in the office car park [11:31] haha [11:32] * oimon just put a heater on :( [11:33] oimon: When did you move to Iceland, I'm roasting (although that could just be the feeling of crispy sun(not quite) burned skin keeping me warm [11:33] i am hidden behind 6 ft thick concrete walls [11:34] in a north and west facing corner office with single glazed windows...rather chilly [11:34] i must remember to remove lifehacker from my rss and twitter feeds :( every time i click their links, it fails miserably [11:35] 6ft thick concrete walls, that sounds like you walk in a bank vault [11:35] s/walk/work [11:35] I've done this same :/ js doesn't belong in a url [11:50] guys. this is awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRM0z9GprQg [11:51] book lens for ubuntu [11:53] gord: the gwibber lens is pretty good too, of course not as good as it will be next release [11:54] yeah, next release is gonna be awesome :) [11:55] gord: Yeap I think I'm going to look forward to that more than this release to be honest [11:57] as a software developer, i always look forward to the cool stuff i want to do next release that i couldn't do this release [11:57] gord: next release being 11.10? [11:57] yup [11:57] Just checking :) [11:58] i think my next laptop will look something like this http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/asus-eee-pad-transformer-uk-edition-review/ [11:59] gord: bigcalm: I think everyone is the same, this release was the chore to get everything in place ready to do the cool stuff in the next one [11:59] Indeed [12:00] I think this is the dreamy one and the next one will be more natty [12:00] I just hope that 11.04 doesn't kill of interest [12:01] bigcalm: that's why they should call it a technology preview ;) [12:01] bigcalm: I think if you give it time you'll like it, I'm so happy now I have natty on my main desktop now :) [12:02] davmor2: I might not be the target audience. I do more with servers than desktop [12:02] bigcalm: but then I've been using it for ages on another box for testing our upcoming work [12:02] bigcalm: so bigger terminals are good right :) [12:02] Heh [12:03] Oh look, lunch time o'clock :D [12:08] i'm waiting for the release with proper gnome3 [12:08] heya [12:08] Will gnome be re-included in the future then? [12:09] Hi andyloughran [12:09] directhex: me too, [12:11] gord: I have no idea exactly what that video is meant to be demonstrating [12:12] really? [12:13] i mean... its pretty obvious, it says it, you can search and read books [12:13] oh [12:15] gord: if that's all, then ok... :) [12:16] it uses zeitgeist info to offer you book recommendations too, based on your browsing and reading habits [12:17] my 1 year old child was given 4 easter eggs :S [12:17] my teeth are gonna fall out [12:17] oimon: Oh I see! [12:17] oimon: your wife isn't helping you 'dispose' of them? [12:17] MattJ: also it's a slick search interface for accessing free online books too [12:18] Pendulum: tbh it's my duty to eat them rather than her [12:18] because i don't weigh much [12:18] haha [12:18] nor does she, but i like it that way [12:19] ouch [12:19] i already smuggled on eegg to work [12:20] gonna try smuggling the others out too :) [12:20] it's for her own good , and mine too, since i get to eat them [12:21] when i was a child chocolate eggs did nothing but torment me, i wanted to eat the entire thing at once but was not allowed, it would just have to sit there, nibbled at occasionally, wrapped in its somehow mocking golden foil. - the entire thing is evil [12:21] i can (and usually do) make an egg last for a month [12:21] once kept a flake in the fridge for 6 months, tormenting my whole family [12:22] like when i kept a 4 pack of beers in the fridge at uni, and my housemate regularly succumbed and drank them all, having to replace them, drinking the replacements , etc , etc [12:22] i'm on a diet. boo! [12:22] me too..weight gain diet [12:22] doesn't work though [12:23] there is a special place in hell reserved for those who eat half a chocolate bar, then put this remains in the fridge. [12:23] :D [12:23] i regularly have to choose the more calorific option even if i don't want it [12:24] i'm trying to not weigh as much as a sysadmin [12:24] how's the neckbeard? [12:25] Laney, difficult to eliminate! i need a shaving mirror [12:32] easiest way for a sysadmin to lose weight is to cut off the ponytail and the gadget belt [12:35] * daubers has started measuring his calorie intake :( [12:37] hmm my dell delivery just jumped from ETA 28/4 to 9/5 :( [12:38] whoo. I should be in London on thurs eve [12:38] but the closest I have to a relevant t-shirt is from the launch of Lenny :/ [12:39] i'm going for extreme calorie reduction, plus exercise [12:40] dieting doesn't need to be all-bad. a big mac is diet-compatible. [12:47] the trouble with minecraft is that i wouldn't be able to play it without singing 'money for nothing' the whole time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0 === cs278| is now known as cs278|work [12:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/715096/comments/19 [12:54] Ubuntu bug 715096 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gm] GPU lockup (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x02000011)" [High,Incomplete] [12:54] cansomeone enlighten me, as to what onearth that comment is meant to mean,please. [12:54] time for tasty lunch [12:54] tasty, tasty special k [12:55] * DJones gets ready to go for a tasty chicken & bacon sub & maybe a pasty as well [12:56] * oimon had a pasty too [12:57] brobostigon: the comment on the bug? [12:57] oimon: yes. [12:57] brobostigon: he's saying thanks to bryce for providing the ppa [12:58] oimon: oh, i see. that makes more sense.yes. [12:58] i've received untold quantities of comment "spam" lately , of "me too" messages etc [12:58] czajkowski: hay laura, your back any better? [12:58] worst is when somebody adds crash info to an existing bug [12:59] i received 20 emails in the space of 5 mins as somebody added attachments [12:59] MooDoo: yeah getting there thanks, back is mostly ok, just leg giving me hassle now [12:59] oimon: i will add crash information if i think it is going to help diagnosis and fix. [12:59] 30g of special k. everything the body needs [12:59] czajkowski: ok great :) just checking in :D [13:00] oimon: ouch,ohwell. [13:00] directhex: i thought that the pasty was the perfect meal? [13:00] spuds, veg, meat, pastry, tasty [13:00] pastry is the enemy [13:04] somebody has awakened a bug on the wine-bugs list which has been dormant for over 2 years :( suddenly > 10 comments in 24 hours! [13:13] today is a heavy calorie control day. i'll have had about 600 calories max by the time i go to bed. [13:14] directhex: you're in the wrong channel this one mentions biscuits,cakes, jammy dodgers, custard creams on a daily basis [13:14] czajkowski, i like all those things. [13:15] * oimon is about to eat one of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oimon/5158732351/in/photostream << favourite cakes ever [13:15] directhex: I've had almost half of that already [13:15] Bowl of frosties is 174 calories [13:16] daubers, plus milk [13:16] directhex: That includes milk :) [13:16] daubers, i'd check that, given special k is 173 with milk [13:17] on the front of the box is without [13:17] with is in the table on the back [13:17] did you weigh the quantity of cereal? [13:17] I always put too much milk in [13:18] directhex: That was from the side of the box in the "With milk" column [13:19] oimon, yes. [13:19] uhm [13:19] anyone on natty + unity here? [13:20] click the time at the top right, then choose the last option on the menu [13:20] popey: moi [13:20] settings [13:20] what happens when you do that? [13:20] top right of what [13:20] directhex: http://www.weightlossforall.com/calories-cereals.htm [13:20] czajkowski: your screen [13:20] popey: oh the about me comes up [13:21] eh [13:21] you sure? [13:21] popey: if I right click over the power button? [13:21] thats the far right I can go [13:21] where did I say that? [13:21] 13:20:10 < popey> click the time at the top right, then choose the last option on the menu [13:21] oh missed time [13:21] :( [13:21] heh [13:22] time and date thingy pops out [13:22] i get nothing [13:22] popey: Can't check at the minute, but yesterday it was bringing up another menu with various system app's to select from [13:22] popey: I've been waiting to do a update this morning but my mirror in ireland keeps not fetching [13:23] hmm, wonder why it fails here [13:24] downside to unity [13:24] popey: Got any windows open? [13:24] I cant find where things are where they used to be to change :s [13:25] just updating my natty box now [13:25] daubers: nothing [13:25] popey: Hmmm... I get the date window as expected [13:26] * daubers updates and checks again [13:26] what app is it? [13:26] this is a clean natty install [13:26] popey: "Time & Date" no idea if that helps get a package name [13:27] ps aux [13:27] look at most recent process? [13:28] popey: indicator-datetime-preferences [13:28] Grrr. Amazon. Peeegs. [13:28] awilkins: I had to give up my amazon account :( [13:28] They keep delaying my box set of Knuth [13:29] I reckon it's because they sold it to me for £137 and all the other sellers are charging more. All their communications say "You can cancel at any time" [13:30] lol [13:30] They are probably waiting for people to cancel and THEN order some stock and price it up [13:31] 13:20:10 < popey> click the time at the top right, then choose the last option on the menu [13:31] bah [13:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/599275 [13:31] thats not good [13:32] * DJones makes a note not to update natty this evening [13:32] been like it for days [13:32] popey: mine works [13:32] suggestions welcome [13:33] popey: restart dbus? [13:33] anything in dmesg /var/log/messages? [13:35] popey: Is this in a real install, or a vm? Maybe try a live usb to see if the same thing happens with a default system [13:35] vm [13:35] its in virtualbox [13:35] interestingly the theme crashes too [13:35] if i kill and restart gnome-settings-daemon it fixes it [13:36] hmm, after a reboot (and before killing gsd) the time dialog appears [13:39] bah, works now [13:39] ignore me [13:40] * oimon hates hayfever. feels like someone injected expanding-foam into my sinuses [13:44] Get someone to inject expanding foam into your sinuses to keep the pollen out. [13:46] giant corks solve all [13:46] I use beconase to stop from snoring so much [13:46] I gather it's also good for hayfever. [13:47] i use beconase, loratadine, and a nose torch [13:47] plus eye drops and homeopathic voodoo [13:48] what i don't understand is how, in a bedroom that is largely pollen-free, double glazed, door closed etc, do i wake at 6-7am with massive symptoms? [13:49] hay fever hasn't hit me yet [13:49] it's a pollen which arrives later [13:49] around may/june [13:50] oimon, Natural cortisol cycle is diurnal - cortisol level drops at night, peaks in the morning [13:51] oimon, cortisol regulates immune system [13:52] gord: how do you add more desktops to unity? I'm assuming it's all controlled via ccsm correct? [13:52] my nose generally knows when it's sunny out though [13:52] before i've got out of bed [13:52] more desktops? [13:52] like workspaces? [13:53] in the general settings in ccsm [13:54] gord: got it thanks I was looking in the wrong place [13:58] ha [13:58] President's cell number had to be changed because it was in Wikileaks [13:59] and apparently nobody managed to do any prank calls or texts to it before it was changed [14:01] If they had, I wonder whether he'd have answered it himself or would a secretary have answered it anyway === denny- is now known as denny [14:01] she ;-) [14:02] Finnish president I assume [14:02] yup [14:02] Ah, I thought you'd been talking about the US president [14:03] me too...too much Dr Who [14:04] oimon: That doesn't make sense, there can never be too much doctor who [14:04] does not compute [14:05] colin baker was in an episode of joanthan creek i saw the other day [14:05] There can be too much if it's anything like Saturday's episode [14:06] i enjoyed moffat 1000x more than RTD [14:07] i didn't watch the entire last series of RTD [14:39] How does this page work? http://bit.ly/3bFfye he's clearly using a nonstandard font that doesn't ship with all OS's o.O [14:39] Azelphur: http://code.google.com/apis/webfonts/ [14:40] they don't need to be installed anymore. welcome to the wooooooorld of tomorrow [14:41] \o/ [14:41] MOO! [14:41] yay, world of tomorrow, I've been waiting for that for a while now :p [14:42] also inb4 websites with illegible calligraphy fonts [14:42] Humm, media screen. So it won't print by default [14:43] they've been doing that for a while. using images instead of text, then using flash-image-replacement .. and now just calling the font they need [14:43] Nope :) print preview in FF shows a default font [14:44] you can't enforce taste. just this way, it degrades to a sane fault if you disable @font-face [14:44] er, sane font [14:45] fun :p [14:47] does anyone know why the ! character on omgubuntu looks like an l on my machine? [14:47] only on firefox, not chrome...think i must have done something a long time ago [14:49] look at this: http://i.imgur.com/1orOa.png [14:49] oimon: is that 10.x netbook [14:49] lucid desktop [14:50] it's specific to my firefox setup [14:50] it's not showing the correct ubuntu font for some reason, maybe i have ubuntu web font installed on some weirdness [14:51] mmm morels .. I miss shrooming [14:54] it's the right time of year for 'em too. just funny that your bug created a real word :) [14:55] yeah lol...a phallic mushroom [14:56] makes reading the comments pretty much impossible on that site [15:00] ah, something to do with using droid sans at 14pt [15:02] MooDoo: Hello mukka ow am ya [15:02] davmor2: alreeet yoof :) [15:03] MooDoo: R gret, dat czajkowski is better than she was watch, czajkowski PROD!!!!! [15:04] davmor2: i know i spoked to er ealier....not poked er yet [15:10] [Paul Mellors] HeartInternet - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/04/heart-internet.html [15:12] oooo there i am [15:18] MooDoo: still looking for staff? [15:18] yup something management mentioned to me [15:19] i recall you were looking a few months ago for the same position? [15:19] oimon: same, just more :) [15:19] :D [15:19] would be interested if i lived nearby [15:20] :) [15:22] oimon: you can do this thing called moving? [15:22] davmor2: nah [15:24] unless there's a good IT job in cornwall..then i might consider === serial is now known as Guest11370 [15:31] im building a box on EC2 to house git/svn etc for internal stuff [15:32] what is the best way to have a backup that is ready to go if the main one dies? [15:34] dogmatic69: one way would be to crontab an rsync to another server [15:34] drbd? [15:34] depends what you mean by 'backup' [15:34] And then issue an svn relocate --switch [15:35] Or is it svn switch --relocate? I can never remember [15:36] i guess the data should be synced on both boxes within a few minutes [15:37] using A syncing data to B, then A goes down, switch to B carry on using B, then when A is back sync data from B to A [15:37] i think a load balancer is required as that will pick which box to use, but as for the syncing data... idk where to start [15:40] BigRedS: that drdb looks about right [15:42] you could add post-commit hooks to the svn server to rsync then [15:42] shauno: need more than svn [15:42] ah, ok [15:42] svn is just historical anyhow, not being used much more [15:43] git, trac, other internal web apps etc [15:43] looks like git does hooks too, but that'd get a bit annoying doing it per-service. so I'll be quiet :) [15:44] :) [15:44] i could... [15:44] cd / && git init [15:44] :D [15:48] how do i tell the current kernel version [15:49] dogmatic69: uname -a [15:51] tx [15:51] should have known that one :D [16:28] if you have a load balancer in area A with the main box in B and a backup in C, if area A dies then everything is dead right? [16:28] yeah [16:29] :/ [16:29] so then what is the point [16:29] well, you might be able to manually move things, like DNS records [16:29] sounds like its ~= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_fund [16:30] but in that sort of situation youd want to be able to easily move IP addresses around [16:30]