| projectdp | so quiet | 02:02 |
|---|---|---|
| * pleia2 waves | 02:02 | |
| * seidos rides pleia2's wave | 02:05 | |
| seidos | anyone know the syntax for sending a /me in an irssi perl script? | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | action | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | so instead of /me you'd do "action #channel does cartwheels" | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | http://princessleia.com/modular_r2d2.php has a bunch of irssi scripts I wrote in 2003 or something | 02:08 |
| seidos | ah, action | 02:09 |
| pleia2 | scripts.irssi.org is also super useful for examples | 02:09 |
| seidos | lemme try that | 02:09 |
| seidos | yeah, already there | 02:09 |
| pleia2 | cool | 02:10 |
| seidos | searching it though was taking a long time | 02:10 |
| * pleia2 nods | 02:10 | |
| seidos | goooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal | 02:11 |
| seidos | thanks | 02:11 |
| pleia2 | welcome :) | 02:11 |
| projectdp | oh wow that's an awesome site hahah | 02:14 |
| projectdp | hi akk | 02:43 |
| akk | hi | 02:44 |
| seidos | hmmm, that's kind of disturbing that i couldn't find documentation for the action syntax | 03:25 |
| pleia2 | not really, irssi is poorly documented | 03:25 |
| seidos | so then it's less than "kind of" disturbing? | 03:25 |
| seidos | like, not disturbing at all? | 03:26 |
| seidos | i guess most people do the word of mouth thing | 03:26 |
| pleia2 | I don't know that I'd call lack of documentation for an open source project "disturbing" at all :) it's quite common | 03:26 |
| seidos | hunger is quite common :/ | 03:26 |
| pleia2 | I'd hardly equate human suffering with lack of documentation | 03:27 |
| seidos | there are different levels of suffering, lack of documentation is one of them | 03:27 |
| pleia2 | doesn't hit my "disturbing" meter though, YMMV | 03:28 |
| seidos | does it hit anything? | 03:28 |
| pleia2 | just my typical "ah open source and it's lack of documentation" | 03:29 |
| akk | Hey, it's suffering -- just in a "first world problems" sense. :) | 03:29 |
| seidos | actually, i thought this was a pretty good link: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/perl | 03:30 |
| * akk is busy writing up a blog post about how much I've suffered trying to write a web app for android | 03:30 | |
| akk | (poor me :) | 03:30 |
| seidos | it was just missing something specific on "action" | 03:30 |
| sn9 | isn't the action syntax just "/me does this" ? | 03:31 |
| seidos | sn9: apparently not | 03:31 |
| seidos | i gave the old "/me does this" a try, it's in perl fyi | 03:31 |
| seidos | using Irssi module | 03:31 |
| seidos | pleia2: did you see "action" used in an existin script? sample script? | 03:32 |
| pleia2 | probably in an existing script | 03:32 |
| seidos | is that how you learned it? | 03:32 |
| seidos | ah...hmmm | 03:32 |
| seidos | oh yeah, i got wireless from terminal working, took "a few" tries | 03:34 |
| seidos | the arch wiki didn't quite cut it | 03:34 |
| seidos | but it did help | 03:34 |
| sn9 | /action does this | 03:34 |
| * sn9 does this | 03:34 | |
| seidos | so /me is an alias i guess? | 03:35 |
| sn9 | should be | 03:35 |
| seidos | that wasn't included in the Irssi module i guess | 03:35 |
| seidos | well, i'll use action from now on, "me" wasn't a command that worked. i'm sure i tried everything correctly | 03:36 |
| seidos | that is interesting, i must've got stuck with the /me from my mirc days or something | 03:37 |
| seidos | maybe everyone has been using /action except for me | 03:37 |
| seidos | T_T | 03:37 |
| * pleia2 uses /me | 03:37 | |
| seidos | me me me, like Agent Smith | 03:38 |
| seidos | /me is shorter | 03:38 |
| seidos | quicker, more efficient | 03:38 |
| seidos | i'm considering downloading all the files on scripts.irssi.org, then using grep to find syntax i need | 03:39 |
| akk | Not a bad idea, assuming it doesn't take forever to download them all. | 03:41 |
| seidos | it shouldn't take more than 10 min i guess | 03:53 |
| seidos | how fast is your connection akk ? | 03:53 |
| seidos | but i'll let you know :P | 03:53 |
| seidos | i'm not really in a hurry though | 03:53 |
| seidos | just be nice to have it cached | 03:53 |
| akk | seidos: Not super fast -- it's DSL, not cable. | 03:53 |
| akk | And we're in a backwater on the edge of San Jose. | 03:54 |
| seidos | ah | 03:54 |
| seidos | wow, 824 files in 1m6s 239K/s | 04:13 |
| seidos | there is a problem with internet infrastructure | 04:13 |
| seidos | which is...well...kind of sad | 04:13 |
| seidos | i wish i knew more about the technology | 04:15 |
| seidos | blah blah blah | 04:16 |
| projectdp | hm, i'm also in SJ | 04:19 |
| seidos | i probably should be in san jose | 04:20 |
| seidos | well, there's some foss activity here | 04:20 |
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| projectdp | seidos: what foss activity is there here? | 17:02 |
| seidos | projectdp: you mean in so. cal? | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | projectdp: http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ include san jose and the surrounding area | 17:03 |
| iheartubuntu | I thought this was interesting... an Open Source Ecology idea (TED Talk 2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIsHKrP-66s | 17:03 |
| iheartubuntu | and do I see an Ubuntu laptop at 2 min 10 sec? | 17:03 |
| seidos | i like what the chicago loco did | 17:04 |
| seidos | made a loco out of a city | 17:04 |
| seidos | i'm sure this has been beaten to death though | 17:04 |
| seidos | a long time ago in a galaxy far far away | 17:04 |
| projectdp | cool | 17:06 |
| projectdp | thanks pleia2, i just emailed the svbug people :) | 17:06 |
| pleia2 | seidos: yeah, ubuntu chicago was established a long time ago when city locos were allowed to be approved | 17:07 |
| pleia2 | usually locos are *country* wide, the US was allowed to do by state | 17:07 |
| pleia2 | works out nicely because then the whole state can benefit from active cities | 17:08 |
| seidos | mhm | 17:08 |
| seidos | hopefully i can get more activity here in LA | 17:09 |
| akk | It can get a little tricky in big states like CA, though, where people are so far apart. | 17:09 |
| seidos | ah, sad, my wireless terminal stuff doesn't handle sleep so well | 17:09 |
| pleia2 | yeah, we all just do our own local things, even in "small" states it can be a 3 hour drive across the state :) | 17:10 |
| seidos | the paradoxical sacred and profane | 17:10 |
| seidos | it's great, and not so great | 17:10 |
| projectdp | cool video iheartubuntu | 17:13 |
| projectdp | akk: are you talking about emotionally apart? | 17:14 |
| akk | projectdp: No, just physically. | 17:14 |
| projectdp | really it seems like we have higher person-proximity density than most other places. | 17:15 |
| akk | I grew up in SoCal, live in NorCal now, so I just laugh at the whole rivalry thing. | 17:15 |
| akk | I like both parts. | 17:15 |
| projectdp | me too i'm here now too :) | 17:15 |
| akk | And they're not that different except when NorCalians start going all "ooh <shudder> WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE LA!" | 17:15 |
| seidos | the only gripe i have with LA is the car culture | 17:16 |
| akk | or THEY'RE STEALING OUR WATER, THOSE EVIL LA PEOPLE | 17:17 |
| projectdp | heh | 17:17 |
| akk | seidos: How is the bay area not a car culture, outside of downtown SF and Berkeley/Oakland? | 17:17 |
| seidos | i wonder if folks in colorado ever think "those californians are stealing our water" | 17:17 |
| projectdp | well it's kind of like a desert. and they try to keep it green | 17:17 |
| akk | Good question, seidos. | 17:17 |
| projectdp | akk: we're not as much of a car culture as LA come on.. | 17:18 |
| seidos | akk: BART i think is nicer than the light rail here | 17:18 |
| akk | seidos: BART? I live in the south bay, what is this BART you speak of? | 17:18 |
| projectdp | maybe in 10 yrs akk | 17:18 |
| seidos | akk: you know, annoying little kid on the Simpsons | 17:18 |
| akk | heh | 17:18 |
| seidos | i suspect quantifying the difference probably isn't easy | 17:19 |
| seidos | if we compare downtown LA to SF city | 17:19 |
| seidos | hmmm, yeah, it's probably totally an illusion | 17:19 |
| projectdp | not entirely | 17:20 |
| akk | I'd say downtown SF is definitely less car oriented than downtown LA. But the outlying areas are pretty comparable, really. | 17:20 |
| iheartubuntu | BART used to appear so modern to me as a child. now it has lost that viewpoint IMO. still looks nice tho | 17:20 |
| projectdp | we have some semblance of a public transportation cutlure | 17:20 |
| projectdp | culture* | 17:20 |
| * iheartubuntu waits for the goldline metro to arrive near my house | 17:20 | |
| akk | I try to take transit every now and then, and I find it very difficult and expensive starting from the south bay. | 17:21 |
| projectdp | it's one of the only systems in the state like it | 17:21 |
| projectdp | auto-best | 17:21 |
| projectdp | even though it sucks compared to all of europe | 17:21 |
| akk | Or any east coast US city. | 17:22 |
| akk | Or Portland or Seattle (not sure about Seattle, been a long time) | 17:22 |
| iheartubuntu | i have always either flown in and taken public trans in SF or driven in, parked the car in a lot and used public trans while in SF | 17:22 |
| iheartubuntu | but last time I was in SF for a long weekend I drove the car around a lot and saw much more than i thought was possible :) | 17:23 |
| akk | Sure, within the city of SF it's fine. The bay area is not SF. | 17:23 |
| projectdp | i've only done that a handful of times to LA | 17:23 |
| seidos | that's pretty cool, i probably should do that next time, i didn't know where to park the car | 17:23 |
| projectdp | and it's much more annoying | 17:23 |
| seidos | i took Bart to Berkeley from SF | 17:23 |
| seidos | wasn't too bad | 17:23 |
| seidos | wasn't too great either, i think it took an hour | 17:23 |
| projectdp | loud in that section huh | 17:23 |
| akk | yeah, as I said earlier, SF, Berkeley and Oakland. | 17:23 |
| akk | If you only ever go to the cores of the big cities you're fine. | 17:24 |
| iheartubuntu | ive always stayed at like thepowellhotel.com and parked under union square (the hotel used to give free parking passes) | 17:24 |
| akk | Or a few outlying places that happen to be on a BART line. | 17:24 |
| seidos | that really isn't true here in LA, since it's so big | 17:24 |
| seidos | suburban sprawl is like bacterial growth, and unfortunately, public transit doesn't automatically grow with it | 17:24 |
| akk | LA is certainly bigger than the bay area, but the bay area is HUGE compared to SF+Berkeley+Oakland. | 17:24 |
| seidos | well, we have the Inland Empire... | 17:25 |
| iheartubuntu | its not much of an empire | 17:25 |
| seidos | or maybe that's San Diego's | 17:25 |
| seidos | don't let the emperor here you say it iheartubuntu | 17:25 |
| iheartubuntu | he has no clothes | 17:25 |
| seidos | *hear | 17:27 |
| seidos | he's probably involved in some kind of sith group thing | 17:28 |
| projectdp | :) | 17:30 |
| projectdp | what are awesome window managers you guys use? | 18:24 |
| nhaines | screen! | 18:25 |
| nhaines | Also metacity. | 18:25 |
| projectdp | smh | 18:25 |
| projectdp | tmux is where it's at | 18:25 |
| projectdp | i approve of metacity though | 18:25 |
| nhaines | I remember twm fondly. Nostalgically, anyway. | 18:25 |
| projectdp | http://dominik.honnef.co/posts/2010/10/why_you_should_try_tmux_instead_of_screen/ | 18:26 |
| projectdp | what about applications? | 18:27 |
| nhaines | I use byobu for my screen configuration and it is very handy. | 18:28 |
| pleia2 | xfwm (xfce's window manager) and fluxbox | 18:28 |
| projectdp | interesting i'll look at it | 18:28 |
| pleia2 | fluxbox is kinda minimal, I use it on my lower end laptop and on my second desktop whose only job is to be my network firewall and have a web browser | 18:29 |
| projectdp | does anyone use headless machines? | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | dozens of them | 18:29 |
| projectdp | with remote desktop? | 18:30 |
| projectdp | +gui? | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | no, just ssh | 18:30 |
| projectdp | ah | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | ssh -X from time to time | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | (but mostly that's just desktop to desktop stuff, no GUI on servers) | 18:30 |
| projectdp | cool | 18:30 |
| projectdp | administrator? | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | my job is a linux sysadmin | 18:31 |
| projectdp | sweet | 18:31 |
| projectdp | do you have rhce? | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | no, I use debian and ubuntu | 18:31 |
| projectdp | ah, but isn't that /the/ linux admin cert to have? | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | you don't have to have any (I don't, but I did help write the ubuntu certified professionals course) | 18:32 |
| projectdp | no one has to have anything | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | it's certainly a popular one though | 18:32 |
| projectdp | i thought it was a ticket to a fairly significant salary | 18:33 |
| nhaines | I use headless machines as well. Just SSH. | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | lol | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | not at all :) | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | some companies look at certs, some are more focused on formal education, some on experience | 18:33 |
| nhaines | Certifications are largely useless in a wide array of applications. | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | it helps to have some of each, but nothing is a "ticket" - certainly not a cert | 18:34 |
| nhaines | That's not to say that they aren't worth taking, but they're not a golden ticket! | 18:34 |
| pleia2 | (I lack certs and education, but I make up for it in awesomeness) | 18:34 |
| pleia2 | :D | 18:34 |
| projectdp | thats ok too | 18:34 |
| nhaines | I've found that my experience running Ubuntu events and writing has made it really easy to interest new employers. | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 18:35 |
| projectdp | the only problem is that there isn't much of an excuse not to represent your skills | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | certifications and education are expensive and time consuming, and of negligable benefit if you have experience | 18:35 |
| projectdp | why is it time consuming? | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | (there are some companies who won't hire you without them, but I don't want to work for that kind of place anyway) | 18:36 |
| seidos | getting experience isn't always that easy, a lot of the time connections are necessary | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | you still have to study | 18:36 |
| projectdp | so you gain benefit from the skill by studying? | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | you study for the test, if you have experience you are already competent in the real world | 18:37 |
| projectdp | if you are in the domain for which you are studying you should also be competent in the material to some degree | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | but everyone is different, best thing to do is learn how you learn best and get the education, experience, certs for whatever area you're shooting for (an IT job at a traditional corporation may require certs, something at a silicon valley startup typically won't) | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | pratical application and test taking are very, very different beasts | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | if I forget the exact syntax for fstab when using UUIDs I can do a 3 second google search, can't do that when taking a test | 18:39 |
| projectdp | many certs have practical elements | 18:40 |
| projectdp | i mean i'm just seeing if there are any arguments that are decent against certs | 18:40 |
| projectdp | maybe it is negligible standing next to a contact that can land you a job | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | it really depends on the person and the work you're looking for | 18:41 |
| projectdp | or when you look at a couple hundred dollars and a few hundred hours of time | 18:41 |
| projectdp | i think so too | 18:42 |
| projectdp | so in what ways would you be jockying for a better position now? | 18:43 |
| projectdp | i'm sure if you've been in the industry you would have a majority of your work represent you | 18:44 |
| pleia2 | personally my public open source work and sysadmin experience is plenty for the next few years | 18:45 |
| pleia2 | I get contacted by recruiters from impressive companies pretty often | 18:45 |
| projectdp | plenty in terms of things to do? | 18:45 |
| projectdp | i see | 18:45 |
| projectdp | brb few more questions in a bit :) | 18:47 |
| iheartubuntu | im doing the UCP just to familiarize myself better | 18:53 |
| iheartubuntu | mostly terminal commands and such that i dont know or forget easily | 18:54 |
| projectdp | ucp? | 18:54 |
| iheartubuntu | Ubuntu Certified Professional | 18:55 |
| iheartubuntu | its pretty much the same as LCP - linux cert pro | 18:55 |
| projectdp | i see | 18:55 |
| iheartubuntu | its beren renamed and updated since i started. Its not the Ubuntu Professional Training http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=533 | 18:56 |
| iheartubuntu | *been | 18:56 |
| iheartubuntu | now | 18:56 |
| iheartubuntu | not not | 18:56 |
| iheartubuntu | gosh im lame lately | 18:56 |
| iheartubuntu | there is a PDF course overview at the bottom of that link | 18:57 |
| projectdp | cool | 18:57 |
| iheartubuntu | "About the Course and Objectives - The Ubuntu Professional is a training course for system administrators who are | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | required to deploy Ubuntu into the office environment." | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | This hands-on course will provide participants with the skills they need to deploy and | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | configure Ubuntu within the office. It introduces participants to the basic skills | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | required of Ubuntu System Administrators. | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | Scenario-based exercises guide | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | participants on how to select appropriate solutions and tools for their organisation. | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | After completing this course, participants will be able to: | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | Install and configure Ubuntu systems | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | Perform routine administration tasks; manage user accounts and file systems, | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | and maintain system security | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | Configure network connectivity and key network services | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | Work productively at the Linux command line | 18:58 |
| * pleia2 takes paste button away from iheartubuntu | 18:59 | |
| iheartubuntu | done :L|) | 18:59 |
| iheartubuntu | :) | 18:59 |
| iheartubuntu | frankly, just using ubuntu for 5 or 6 years now i know most of that stuff | 18:59 |
| iheartubuntu | even if i have to refresh my memory on commands | 18:59 |
| iheartubuntu | under "Work productively at the Linux command line" it says not to chat in the California IRC channel or you'll get absolutely nothing done | 19:00 |
| projectdp | haha | 19:03 |
| projectdp | :o | 19:06 |
| projectdp | byobu is kinda cool | 19:07 |
| projectdp | pleia2: no more about certs but how do you get to do linux admin work? | 19:08 |
| projectdp | i'm just curious because i'm just starting in corporate | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | projectdp: I applied at a small linux shop that was hiring folks for contract work, was eventually hired full time | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | I was involved with the LUG so the owner of the company already knew me | 19:09 |
| projectdp | cool | 19:09 |
| projectdp | bay area? | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | nah, philadelphia | 19:10 |
| projectdp | interesting | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | (I was living there at the time) | 19:10 |
| akk | projectdp: Sometimes you can get started by doing sysadmin on a volunteer basis for projects, or by lower-paid work adminning machines at a college or science lab. | 19:10 |
| projectdp | yeah | 19:11 |
| projectdp | i like server side stuff | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | yeah, my volunteer sysadmining was taken into consideration when I was hired, I put all volunteer work on my resume | 19:11 |
| projectdp | do you have to deal with windows networks? | 19:13 |
| akk | I get the impression there are a lot more jobs available if you know Windows than if you're Unix/Linux only. | 19:13 |
| akk | Though the Unix/Linux only ones are maybe higher status/higher pay (and require more experience). | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | projectdp: depends on what you mean by "windows networks" - a lot of the networks our servers are on have windows systems too, usually an IT department that manages an exchange server or something | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | but we don't touch them, the most we do is help them with network issue debugging | 19:14 |
| * pleia2 wouldn't know what to do with a Windows machine | 19:15 | |
| projectdp | heh | 19:15 |
| projectdp | i guess i mean active directory microsoft networks | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | ah, no | 19:16 |
| projectdp | do you deal with virtualization? | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah, a lot of it | 19:18 |
| projectdp | xen? | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | we've got a couple old xen systems around, but everything new is kvm | 19:18 |
| projectdp | ah | 19:18 |
| projectdp | hardly know anything about that | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | kvm is easy to experiment with even on your desktip if you have virtualized hardware | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | desktop | 19:19 |
| projectdp | do you know much about performance given certain hardware on xen or kvm? | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | we've only used xen in paravirtualization mode with a hypervisor (hardware doesn't have virtualization, so it's all emulated), kvm is all hardware virtualization, so it's not comparing similar things | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | never done benchmarks though | 19:22 |
| projectdp | hm | 19:22 |
| projectdp | i was considering using xen in para with a hypervisor to run various os livecds on alien hard drives simultaneously | 19:23 |
| projectdp | i was wondering if it would be very feasible or not very | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | with paravirt you need a xen kernel on the guest, so it's difficult | 19:23 |
| projectdp | but hardware virtualization sounds nicer | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | with hardware virtualization the guest doesn't need to know it's a VM, so you can use regular kernels | 19:24 |
| projectdp | alright well i haven't dealt much with this, before i started i wanted to get some opinions | 19:25 |
| projectdp | people have been saying the hardware shouldn't be an issue | 19:25 |
| projectdp | to scan several disks simultaneously with a couple os' | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | if you have hardware virt I'd strongly suggest kvm+libvirt | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | but an easy way to start out playing with virtualization is using something like virtualbox | 19:25 |
| projectdp | i don't think that would have the performance would it? | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | no, it would be slow | 19:26 |
| projectdp | i mean i really would like something that would be a light hypervisor deal that manages the guest os' | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | libvirt kinda fills that role | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM is quite good | 19:27 |
| projectdp | oh great, now i'll be buying some hardware :) | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | heh, yeah, my desktop is an i7 with 8G/RAM | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | I do lots of test stuff on it with kvm virtualization | 19:28 |
| projectdp | how well does it handle running a few os instances | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | much nicer than having my bedroom filled up with phyisical machines when I want to test a network infrastructure :) | 19:29 |
| projectdp | ? | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | does fine | 19:29 |
| projectdp | well like how many | 19:29 |
| projectdp | and what sort of load | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | I've never really pushed it to the limit | 19:29 |
| projectdp | what i'd be doing is like defragmenting and doing scans on a bunch of disks | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | I've never run windows vms | 19:30 |
| projectdp | with just some light livecd os's | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | eep, conference call time | 19:30 |
| projectdp | thanks pleia2 | 19:30 |
| projectdp | ttyl | 19:30 |
| nhaines | projectdp: you're going to be defragmenting and scanning multiple disks from CD-based virtual machines on the same host? | 19:33 |
| projectdp | well they will be basically livecd iso's | 19:33 |
| projectdp | yes | 19:33 |
| nhaines | Any reason not to use an installed OS to run the utilities on the drives? | 19:35 |
| projectdp | yes | 19:35 |
| projectdp | it takes up an entire computer to scan one disk | 19:35 |
| projectdp | i have to do scanning serially | 19:35 |
| projectdp | it sucks. | 19:35 |
| projectdp | and if i do other things in the mean time | 19:35 |
| projectdp | i don't see stupid messages like "click ok to copy this file to backup" or something | 19:36 |
| projectdp | wasting like 10 mins to a few hours | 19:36 |
| projectdp | if i leave it over night or lunch | 19:36 |
| projectdp | and i'm pretty sure it's not cpu intensive activity | 19:37 |
| projectdp | and even if it was i think todays computers would do ok. | 19:37 |
| projectdp | and now that i look at it, kvm was already suggested to me casually heh | 19:39 |
| nhaines | So you're going to take a I/O-intensive operation, add a hypervisor, load multiple virtual machines, and run everything across the same system bus in parallel, with the expectation that this will make things faster? | 19:39 |
| projectdp | i have no idea, thats why i was asking about feasibility on hardware | 19:40 |
| projectdp | given the virtualization constraint | 19:40 |
| nhaines | Why not just run the utility in parallel on the host OS? | 19:41 |
| projectdp | because it's not one utility | 19:41 |
| nhaines | Why not run the suite of utilities in parallel on the host OS? | 19:42 |
| projectdp | ok, how? | 19:42 |
| nhaines | Generally, you invoke each program seperately, once for each disk. | 19:43 |
| projectdp | well here's the issue | 19:44 |
| projectdp | the software is generally a bundled antivirus suite | 19:44 |
| projectdp | i have about 10-15 of these | 19:44 |
| projectdp | most of them are iso's | 19:44 |
| projectdp | now i could go about figuring how to strip them from their bundle, and figure out how to update them for each | 19:45 |
| projectdp | but that would suck | 19:45 |
| projectdp | i mean for some things yeah i could run multiple instances | 19:45 |
| projectdp | backing the disks up | 19:46 |
| projectdp | imaging and the sort | 19:48 |
| nhaines | That sounds like it'd take a lot of scripting. I'm not sure it'd be easy to do with multiple disks in parallel though. | 19:49 |
| nhaines | It shouldn't be terribly hard, just annoying to get set up initially. | 19:50 |
| projectdp | you mean about the iso utilities? | 19:50 |
| nhaines | Yes, to set up a script to instantiate a virtual machine that boots each ISO in turn. | 19:51 |
| projectdp | oh yeah thats not a problem | 19:51 |
| nhaines | You can't access the same disk simultaneously with different VMs. (You *can* but you shouldn't.) | 19:52 |
| projectdp | no i'm not interested in that | 19:52 |
| projectdp | one os per disk at a time | 19:53 |
| nhaines | That's good to hear. :) | 19:54 |
| projectdp | what kind of system do you think it would take to handle something like that? | 19:54 |
| projectdp | i was thinking maybe if i had a separate disk controller that it would offload a bunch of the io requests | 19:55 |
| nhaines | It still all has to go over the system bus I believe. | 20:07 |
| nhaines | I'd probably get a script going and benchmark it, then try it with two simultaneously. | 20:08 |
| projectdp | i guess there's only one way to find out :) | 20:10 |
| projectdp | i may just make the plunge anyway | 20:10 |
| projectdp | i haven't had a server or a desktop of my own for quite a while | 20:13 |
| projectdp | my last desktop was a p3 500mhz | 20:13 |
| nhaines | They're slow but they'll run Ubuntu 5.04 without a fight. | 20:14 |
| projectdp | hah hardly slow | 20:14 |
| projectdp | i ran netbsd | 20:14 |
| projectdp | it flew | 20:14 |
| projectdp | i also had rambus memory | 20:15 |
| projectdp | heh | 20:15 |
| projectdp | rdram | 20:15 |
| nhaines | I avoided rdram. :) | 20:41 |
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