[02:02] <projectdp> so quiet
[02:02]  * pleia2 waves
[02:05]  * seidos rides pleia2's wave
[02:06] <seidos> anyone know the syntax for sending a /me in an irssi perl script?
[02:07] <pleia2> action
[02:08] <pleia2> so instead of /me you'd do "action #channel does cartwheels"
[02:08] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/modular_r2d2.php has a bunch of irssi scripts I wrote in 2003 or something
[02:09] <seidos> ah, action
[02:09] <pleia2> scripts.irssi.org is also super useful for examples
[02:09] <seidos> lemme try that
[02:09] <seidos> yeah, already there
[02:10] <pleia2> cool
[02:10] <seidos> searching it though was taking a long time
[02:10]  * pleia2 nods
[02:11] <seidos> goooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal
[02:11] <seidos> thanks
[02:11] <pleia2> welcome :)
[02:14] <projectdp> oh wow that's an awesome site hahah
[02:43] <projectdp> hi akk
[02:44] <akk> hi
[03:25] <seidos> hmmm, that's kind of disturbing that i couldn't find documentation for the action syntax
[03:25] <pleia2> not really, irssi is poorly documented
[03:25] <seidos> so then it's less than "kind of" disturbing?
[03:26] <seidos> like, not disturbing at all?
[03:26] <seidos> i guess most people do the word of mouth thing
[03:26] <pleia2> I don't know that I'd call lack of documentation for an open source project "disturbing" at all :) it's quite common
[03:26] <seidos> hunger is quite common :/
[03:27] <pleia2> I'd hardly equate human suffering with lack of documentation
[03:27] <seidos> there are different levels of suffering, lack of documentation is one of them
[03:28] <pleia2> doesn't hit my "disturbing" meter though, YMMV
[03:28] <seidos> does it hit anything?
[03:29] <pleia2> just my typical "ah open source and it's lack of documentation"
[03:29] <akk> Hey, it's suffering -- just in a "first world problems" sense. :)
[03:30] <seidos> actually, i thought this was a pretty good link:  http://www.irssi.org/documentation/perl
[03:30]  * akk is busy writing up a blog post about how much I've suffered trying to write a web app for android
[03:30] <akk> (poor me :)
[03:30] <seidos> it was just missing something specific on "action"
[03:31] <sn9> isn't the action syntax just "/me does this" ?
[03:31] <seidos> sn9: apparently not
[03:31] <seidos> i gave the old "/me does this" a try, it's in perl fyi
[03:31] <seidos> using Irssi module
[03:32] <seidos> pleia2: did you see "action" used in an existin script?  sample script?
[03:32] <pleia2> probably in an existing script
[03:32] <seidos> is that how you learned it?
[03:32] <seidos> ah...hmmm
[03:34] <seidos> oh yeah, i got wireless from terminal working, took "a few" tries
[03:34] <seidos> the arch wiki didn't quite cut it
[03:34] <seidos> but it did help
[03:34] <sn9> /action does this
[03:34]  * sn9 does this
[03:35] <seidos> so /me is an alias i guess?
[03:35] <sn9> should be
[03:35] <seidos> that wasn't included in the Irssi module i guess
[03:36] <seidos> well, i'll use action from now on, "me" wasn't a command that worked.  i'm sure i tried everything correctly
[03:37] <seidos> that is interesting, i must've got stuck with the /me from my mirc days or something
[03:37] <seidos> maybe everyone has been using /action except for me
[03:37] <seidos> T_T
[03:37]  * pleia2 uses /me
[03:38] <seidos> me me me, like Agent Smith
[03:38] <seidos> /me is shorter
[03:38] <seidos> quicker, more efficient
[03:39] <seidos> i'm considering downloading all the files on scripts.irssi.org, then using grep to find syntax i need
[03:41] <akk> Not a bad idea, assuming it doesn't take forever to download them all.
[03:53] <seidos> it shouldn't take more than 10 min i guess
[03:53] <seidos> how fast is your connection akk ?
[03:53] <seidos> but i'll let you know :P
[03:53] <seidos> i'm not really in a hurry though
[03:53] <seidos> just be nice to have it cached
[03:53] <akk> seidos: Not super fast -- it's DSL, not cable.
[03:54] <akk> And we're in a backwater on the edge of San Jose.
[03:54] <seidos> ah
[04:13] <seidos> wow, 824 files in 1m6s 239K/s
[04:13] <seidos> there is a problem with internet infrastructure
[04:13] <seidos> which is...well...kind of sad
[04:15] <seidos> i wish i knew more about the technology
[04:16] <seidos> blah blah blah
[04:19] <projectdp> hm, i'm also in SJ
[04:20] <seidos> i probably should be in san jose
[04:20] <seidos> well, there's some foss activity here
[17:02] <projectdp> seidos: what foss activity is there here?
[17:02] <seidos> projectdp: you mean in so. cal?
[17:03] <pleia2> projectdp: http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ include san jose and the surrounding area
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> I thought this was interesting... an Open Source Ecology idea (TED Talk 2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIsHKrP-66s
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> and do I see an Ubuntu laptop at 2 min 10 sec?
[17:04] <seidos> i like what the chicago loco did
[17:04] <seidos> made a loco out of a city
[17:04] <seidos> i'm sure this has been beaten to death though
[17:04] <seidos> a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
[17:06] <projectdp> cool
[17:06] <projectdp> thanks pleia2, i just emailed the svbug people :)
[17:07] <pleia2> seidos: yeah, ubuntu chicago was established a long time ago when city locos were allowed to be approved
[17:07] <pleia2> usually locos are *country* wide, the US was allowed to do by state
[17:08] <pleia2> works out nicely because then the whole state can benefit from active cities
[17:08] <seidos> mhm
[17:09] <seidos> hopefully i can get more activity here in LA
[17:09] <akk> It can get a little tricky in big states like CA, though, where people are so far apart.
[17:09] <seidos> ah, sad, my wireless terminal stuff doesn't handle sleep so well
[17:10] <pleia2> yeah, we all just do our own local things, even in "small" states it can be a 3 hour drive across the state :)
[17:10] <seidos> the paradoxical sacred and profane
[17:10] <seidos> it's great, and not so great
[17:13] <projectdp> cool video iheartubuntu
[17:14] <projectdp> akk: are you talking about emotionally apart?
[17:14] <akk> projectdp: No, just physically.
[17:15] <projectdp> really it seems like we have higher person-proximity density than most other places.
[17:15] <akk> I grew up in SoCal, live in NorCal now, so I just laugh at the whole rivalry thing.
[17:15] <akk> I like both parts.
[17:15] <projectdp> me too i'm here now too :)
[17:15] <akk> And they're not that different except when NorCalians start going all "ooh <shudder> WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE LA!"
[17:16] <seidos> the only gripe i have with LA is the car culture
[17:17] <akk> or THEY'RE STEALING OUR WATER, THOSE EVIL LA PEOPLE
[17:17] <projectdp> heh
[17:17] <akk> seidos: How is the bay area not a car culture, outside of downtown SF and Berkeley/Oakland?
[17:17] <seidos> i wonder if folks in colorado ever think "those californians are stealing our water"
[17:17] <projectdp> well it's kind of like a desert. and they try to keep it green
[17:17] <akk> Good question, seidos.
[17:18] <projectdp> akk: we're not as much of a car culture as LA come on..
[17:18] <seidos> akk: BART i think is nicer than the light rail here
[17:18] <akk> seidos: BART? I live in the south bay, what is this BART you speak of?
[17:18] <projectdp> maybe in 10 yrs akk
[17:18] <seidos> akk: you know, annoying little kid on the Simpsons
[17:18] <akk> heh
[17:19] <seidos> i suspect quantifying the difference probably isn't easy
[17:19] <seidos> if we compare downtown LA to SF city
[17:19] <seidos> hmmm, yeah, it's probably totally an illusion
[17:20] <projectdp> not entirely
[17:20] <akk> I'd say downtown SF is definitely less car oriented than downtown LA. But the outlying areas are pretty comparable, really.
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> BART used to appear so modern to me as a child. now it has lost that viewpoint IMO. still looks nice tho
[17:20] <projectdp> we have some semblance of a public transportation cutlure
[17:20] <projectdp> culture*
[17:20]  * iheartubuntu waits for the goldline metro to arrive near my house
[17:21] <akk> I try to take transit every now and then, and I find it very difficult and expensive starting from the south bay.
[17:21] <projectdp> it's one of the only systems in the state like it
[17:21] <projectdp> auto-best
[17:21] <projectdp> even though it sucks compared to all of europe
[17:22] <akk> Or any east coast US city.
[17:22] <akk> Or Portland or Seattle (not sure about Seattle, been a long time)
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> i have always either flown in and taken public trans in SF or driven in, parked the car in a lot and used public trans while in SF
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> but last time I was in SF for a long weekend I drove the car around a lot and saw much more than i thought was possible :)
[17:23] <akk> Sure, within the city of SF it's fine. The bay area is not SF.
[17:23] <projectdp> i've only done that a handful of times to LA
[17:23] <seidos> that's pretty cool, i probably should do that next time, i didn't know where to park the car
[17:23] <projectdp> and it's much more annoying
[17:23] <seidos> i took Bart to Berkeley from SF
[17:23] <seidos> wasn't too bad
[17:23] <seidos> wasn't too great either, i think it took an hour
[17:23] <projectdp> loud in that section huh
[17:23] <akk> yeah, as I said earlier, SF, Berkeley and Oakland.
[17:24] <akk> If you only ever go to the cores of the big cities you're fine.
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> ive always stayed at like thepowellhotel.com and parked under union square (the hotel used to give free parking passes)
[17:24] <akk> Or a few outlying places that happen to be on a BART line.
[17:24] <seidos> that really isn't true here in LA, since it's so big
[17:24] <seidos> suburban sprawl is like bacterial growth, and unfortunately, public transit doesn't automatically grow with it
[17:24] <akk> LA is certainly bigger than the bay area, but the bay area is HUGE compared to SF+Berkeley+Oakland.
[17:25] <seidos> well, we have the Inland Empire...
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> its not much of an empire
[17:25] <seidos> or maybe that's San Diego's
[17:25] <seidos> don't let the emperor here you say it iheartubuntu
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> he has no clothes
[17:27] <seidos> *hear
[17:28] <seidos> he's probably involved in some kind of sith group thing
[17:30] <projectdp> :)
[18:24] <projectdp> what are awesome window managers you guys use?
[18:25] <nhaines> screen!
[18:25] <nhaines> Also metacity.
[18:25] <projectdp> smh
[18:25] <projectdp> tmux is where it's at
[18:25] <projectdp> i approve of metacity though
[18:25] <nhaines> I remember twm fondly.  Nostalgically, anyway.
[18:26] <projectdp> http://dominik.honnef.co/posts/2010/10/why_you_should_try_tmux_instead_of_screen/
[18:27] <projectdp> what about applications?
[18:28] <nhaines> I use byobu for my screen configuration and it is very handy.
[18:28] <pleia2> xfwm (xfce's window manager) and fluxbox
[18:28] <projectdp> interesting i'll look at it
[18:29] <pleia2> fluxbox is kinda minimal, I use it on my lower end laptop and on my second desktop whose only job is to be my network firewall and have a web browser
[18:29] <projectdp> does anyone use headless machines?
[18:29] <pleia2> dozens of them
[18:30] <projectdp> with remote desktop?
[18:30] <projectdp> +gui?
[18:30] <pleia2> no, just ssh
[18:30] <projectdp> ah
[18:30] <pleia2> ssh -X from time to time
[18:30] <pleia2> (but mostly that's just desktop to desktop stuff, no GUI on servers)
[18:30] <projectdp> cool
[18:30] <projectdp> administrator?
[18:31] <pleia2> my job is a linux sysadmin
[18:31] <projectdp> sweet
[18:31] <projectdp> do you have rhce?
[18:31] <pleia2> no, I use debian and ubuntu
[18:31] <projectdp> ah, but isn't that /the/ linux admin cert to have?
[18:32] <pleia2> you don't have to have any (I don't, but I did help write the ubuntu certified professionals course)
[18:32] <projectdp> no one has to have anything
[18:32] <pleia2> it's certainly a popular one though
[18:33] <projectdp> i thought it was a ticket to a fairly significant salary
[18:33] <nhaines> I use headless machines as well.  Just SSH.
[18:33] <pleia2> lol
[18:33] <pleia2> not at all :)
[18:33] <pleia2> some companies look at certs, some are more focused on formal education, some on experience
[18:33] <nhaines> Certifications are largely useless in a wide array of applications.
[18:34] <pleia2> it helps to have some of each, but nothing is a "ticket" - certainly not a cert
[18:34] <nhaines> That's not to say that they aren't worth taking, but they're not a golden ticket!
[18:34] <pleia2> (I lack certs and education, but I make up for it in awesomeness)
[18:34] <pleia2> :D
[18:34] <projectdp> thats ok too
[18:35] <nhaines> I've found that my experience running Ubuntu events and writing has made it really easy to interest new employers.
[18:35] <pleia2> yeah
[18:35] <projectdp> the only problem is that there isn't much of an excuse not to represent your skills
[18:35] <pleia2> certifications and education are expensive and time consuming, and of negligable benefit if you have experience
[18:36] <projectdp> why is it time consuming?
[18:36] <pleia2> (there are some companies who won't hire you without them, but I don't want to work for that kind of place anyway)
[18:36] <seidos> getting experience isn't always that easy, a lot of the time connections are necessary
[18:36] <pleia2> you still have to study
[18:36] <projectdp> so you gain benefit from the skill by studying?
[18:37] <pleia2> you study for the test, if you have experience you are already competent in the real world
[18:38] <projectdp> if you are in the domain for which you are studying you should also be competent in the material to some degree
[18:38] <pleia2> but everyone is different, best thing to do is learn how you learn best and get the education, experience, certs for whatever area you're shooting for (an IT job at a traditional corporation may require certs, something at a silicon valley startup typically won't)
[18:39] <pleia2> pratical application and test taking are very, very different beasts
[18:39] <pleia2> if I forget the exact syntax for fstab when using UUIDs I can do a 3 second google search, can't do that when taking a test
[18:40] <projectdp> many certs have practical elements
[18:40] <projectdp> i mean i'm just seeing if there are any arguments that are decent against certs
[18:41] <projectdp> maybe it is negligible standing next to a contact that can land you a job
[18:41] <pleia2> it really depends on the person and the work you're looking for
[18:41] <projectdp> or when you look at a couple hundred dollars and a few hundred hours of time
[18:42] <projectdp> i think so too
[18:43] <projectdp> so in what ways would you be jockying for a better position now?
[18:44] <projectdp> i'm sure if you've been in the industry you would have a majority of your work represent you
[18:45] <pleia2> personally my public open source work and sysadmin experience is plenty for the next few years
[18:45] <pleia2> I get contacted by recruiters from impressive companies pretty often
[18:45] <projectdp> plenty in terms of things to do?
[18:45] <projectdp> i see
[18:47] <projectdp> brb few more questions in a bit :)
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> im doing the UCP just to familiarize myself better
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> mostly terminal commands and such that i dont know or forget easily
[18:54] <projectdp> ucp?
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> Ubuntu Certified Professional
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> its pretty much the same as LCP - linux cert pro
[18:55] <projectdp> i see
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> its beren renamed and updated since i started. Its not the Ubuntu Professional Training http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=533
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> *been
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> now
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> not not
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> gosh im lame lately
[18:57] <iheartubuntu> there is a PDF course overview at the bottom of that link
[18:57] <projectdp> cool
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> "About the Course and Objectives - The Ubuntu Professional is a training course for system administrators who are
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> required to deploy Ubuntu into the office environment."
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> This hands-on course will provide participants with the skills they need to deploy and
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> configure Ubuntu within the office. It introduces participants to the basic skills
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> required of Ubuntu System Administrators.
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Scenario-based exercises guide
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> participants on how to select appropriate solutions and tools for their organisation.
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> After completing this course, participants will be able to:
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Install and configure Ubuntu systems
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Perform routine administration tasks; manage user accounts and file systems,
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> and maintain system security
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Configure network connectivity and key network services
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Work productively at the Linux command line
[18:59]  * pleia2 takes paste button away from iheartubuntu 
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> done :L|)
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> :)
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> frankly, just using ubuntu for 5 or 6 years now i know most of that stuff
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> even if i have to refresh my memory on commands
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> under "Work productively at the Linux command line" it says not to chat in the California IRC channel or you'll get absolutely nothing done
[19:03] <projectdp> haha
[19:06] <projectdp> :o
[19:07] <projectdp> byobu is kinda cool
[19:08] <projectdp> pleia2: no more about certs but how do you get to do linux admin work?
[19:09] <projectdp> i'm just curious because i'm just starting in corporate
[19:09] <pleia2> projectdp: I applied at a small linux shop that was hiring folks for contract work, was eventually hired full time
[19:09] <pleia2> I was involved with the LUG so the owner of the company already knew me
[19:09] <projectdp> cool
[19:10] <projectdp> bay area?
[19:10] <pleia2> nah, philadelphia
[19:10] <projectdp> interesting
[19:10] <pleia2> (I was living there at the time)
[19:10] <akk> projectdp: Sometimes you can get started by doing sysadmin on a volunteer basis for projects, or by lower-paid work adminning machines at a college or science lab.
[19:11] <projectdp> yeah
[19:11] <projectdp> i like server side stuff
[19:11] <pleia2> yeah, my volunteer sysadmining was taken into consideration when I was hired, I put all volunteer work on my resume
[19:13] <projectdp> do you have to deal with windows networks?
[19:13] <akk> I get the impression there are a lot more jobs available if you know Windows than if you're Unix/Linux only.
[19:14] <akk> Though the Unix/Linux only ones are maybe higher status/higher pay (and require more experience).
[19:14] <pleia2> projectdp: depends on what you mean by "windows networks" - a lot of the networks our servers are on have windows systems too, usually an IT department that manages an exchange server or something
[19:14] <pleia2> but we don't touch them, the most we do is help them with network issue debugging
[19:15]  * pleia2 wouldn't know what to do with a Windows machine
[19:15] <projectdp> heh
[19:16] <projectdp> i guess i mean active directory microsoft networks
[19:16] <pleia2> ah, no
[19:18] <projectdp> do you deal with virtualization?
[19:18] <pleia2> yeah, a lot of it
[19:18] <projectdp> xen?
[19:18] <pleia2> we've got a couple old xen systems around, but everything new is kvm
[19:18] <projectdp> ah
[19:19] <projectdp> hardly know anything about that
[19:19] <pleia2> kvm is easy to experiment with even on your desktip if you have virtualized hardware
[19:19] <pleia2> desktop
[19:20] <projectdp> do you know much about performance given certain hardware on xen or kvm?
[19:22] <pleia2> we've only used xen in paravirtualization mode with a hypervisor (hardware doesn't have virtualization, so it's all emulated), kvm is all hardware virtualization, so it's not comparing similar things
[19:22] <pleia2> never done benchmarks though
[19:22] <projectdp> hm
[19:23] <projectdp> i was considering using xen in para with a hypervisor to run various os livecds on alien hard drives simultaneously
[19:23] <projectdp> i was wondering if it would be very feasible or not very
[19:23] <pleia2> with paravirt you need a xen kernel on the guest, so it's difficult
[19:23] <projectdp> but hardware virtualization sounds nicer
[19:24] <pleia2> with hardware virtualization the guest doesn't need to know it's a VM, so you can use regular kernels
[19:25] <projectdp> alright well i haven't dealt much with this, before i started i wanted to get some opinions
[19:25] <projectdp> people have been saying the hardware shouldn't be an issue
[19:25] <projectdp> to scan several disks simultaneously with a couple os'
[19:25] <pleia2> if you have hardware virt I'd strongly suggest kvm+libvirt
[19:25] <pleia2> but an easy way to start out playing with virtualization is using something like virtualbox
[19:26] <projectdp> i don't think that would have the performance would it?
[19:26] <pleia2> no, it would be slow
[19:27] <projectdp> i mean i really would like something that would be a light hypervisor deal that manages the guest os'
[19:27] <pleia2> libvirt kinda fills that role
[19:27] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM is quite good
[19:28] <projectdp> oh great, now i'll be buying some hardware :)
[19:28] <pleia2> heh, yeah, my desktop is an i7 with 8G/RAM
[19:28] <pleia2> I do lots of test stuff on it with kvm virtualization
[19:29] <projectdp> how well does it handle running a few os instances
[19:29] <pleia2> much nicer than having my bedroom filled up with phyisical machines when I want to test a network infrastructure :)
[19:29] <projectdp> ?
[19:29] <pleia2> does fine
[19:29] <projectdp> well like how many
[19:29] <projectdp> and what sort of load
[19:29] <pleia2> I've never really pushed it to the limit
[19:29] <projectdp> what i'd be doing is like defragmenting and doing scans on a bunch of disks
[19:30] <pleia2> I've never run windows vms
[19:30] <projectdp> with just some light livecd os's
[19:30] <pleia2> eep, conference call time
[19:30] <projectdp> thanks pleia2
[19:30] <projectdp> ttyl
[19:33] <nhaines> projectdp: you're going to be defragmenting and scanning multiple disks from CD-based virtual machines on the same host?
[19:33] <projectdp> well they will be basically livecd iso's
[19:33] <projectdp> yes
[19:35] <nhaines> Any reason not to use an installed OS to run the utilities on the drives?
[19:35] <projectdp> yes
[19:35] <projectdp> it takes up an entire computer to scan one disk
[19:35] <projectdp> i have to do scanning serially
[19:35] <projectdp> it sucks.
[19:35] <projectdp> and if i do other things in the mean time
[19:36] <projectdp> i don't see stupid messages like "click ok to copy this file to backup" or something
[19:36] <projectdp> wasting like 10 mins to a few hours
[19:36] <projectdp> if i leave it over night or lunch
[19:37] <projectdp> and i'm pretty sure it's not cpu intensive activity
[19:37] <projectdp> and even if it was i think todays computers would do ok.
[19:39] <projectdp> and now that i look at it, kvm was already suggested to me casually heh
[19:39] <nhaines> So you're going to take a I/O-intensive operation, add a hypervisor, load multiple virtual machines, and run everything across the same system bus in parallel, with the expectation that this will make things faster?
[19:40] <projectdp> i have no idea, thats why i was asking about feasibility on hardware
[19:40] <projectdp> given the virtualization constraint
[19:41] <nhaines> Why not just run the utility in parallel on the host OS?
[19:41] <projectdp> because it's not one utility
[19:42] <nhaines> Why not run the suite of utilities in parallel on the host OS?
[19:42] <projectdp> ok, how?
[19:43] <nhaines> Generally, you invoke each program seperately, once for each disk.
[19:44] <projectdp> well here's the issue
[19:44] <projectdp> the software is generally a bundled antivirus suite
[19:44] <projectdp> i have about 10-15 of these
[19:44] <projectdp> most of them are iso's
[19:45] <projectdp> now i could go about figuring how to strip them from their bundle, and figure out how to update them for each
[19:45] <projectdp> but that would suck
[19:45] <projectdp> i mean for some things yeah i could run multiple instances
[19:46] <projectdp> backing the disks up
[19:48] <projectdp> imaging and the sort
[19:49] <nhaines> That sounds like it'd take a lot of scripting.  I'm not sure it'd be easy to do with multiple disks in parallel though.
[19:50] <nhaines> It shouldn't be terribly hard, just annoying to get set up initially.
[19:50] <projectdp> you mean about the iso utilities?
[19:51] <nhaines> Yes, to set up a script to instantiate a virtual machine that boots each ISO in turn.
[19:51] <projectdp> oh yeah thats not a problem
[19:52] <nhaines> You can't access the same disk simultaneously with different VMs.  (You *can* but you shouldn't.)
[19:52] <projectdp> no i'm not interested in that
[19:53] <projectdp> one os per disk at a time
[19:54] <nhaines> That's good to hear.  :)
[19:54] <projectdp> what kind of system do you think it would take to handle something like that?
[19:55] <projectdp> i was thinking maybe if i had a separate disk controller that it would offload a bunch of the io requests
[20:07] <nhaines> It still all has to go over the system bus I believe.
[20:08] <nhaines> I'd probably get a script going and benchmark it, then try it with two simultaneously.
[20:10] <projectdp> i guess there's only one way to find out :)
[20:10] <projectdp> i may just make the plunge anyway
[20:13] <projectdp> i haven't had a server or a desktop of my own for quite a while
[20:13] <projectdp> my last desktop was a p3 500mhz
[20:14] <nhaines> They're slow but they'll run Ubuntu 5.04 without a fight.
[20:14] <projectdp> hah hardly slow
[20:14] <projectdp> i ran netbsd
[20:14] <projectdp> it flew
[20:15] <projectdp> i also had rambus memory
[20:15] <projectdp> heh
[20:15] <projectdp> rdram
[20:41] <nhaines> I avoided rdram.  :)