[00:16] <Blazeix> awesome: https://github.com/blog/843-the-merge-button
[00:18] <jrwren> github is awesome.
[01:28] <nixternal> someone tell me how 'canonical shutting down sounder' blog comments quickly switch to unity and shell? is it because they were quickly shot down for bullshit?
[01:28] <nixternal> fuck, i hate that. my byobu doesn't update quick enough so when i think i am in another channel, i am elsewhere. at least it was in this channel and not android or some shit where they boot you for farting
[01:29] <rick_h__> hah
[01:29] <rick_h__> nixternal: quit farting
[01:29] <nixternal> i can't
[01:33] <jjesse> nixternal i see you are your usual charming self
[01:33] <nixternal> like always
[02:38] <snap-l> nixternal: Well, you have a point
[02:38] <snap-l> i think folks just gonna hate
[13:05] <brousch> we used unity to play the slideshow at last night's grwebdev meeting
[13:05] <brousch> it worked flawlessly
[13:07] <brousch> a presenter used lmde and it worked, but not as well. problems with detecting projector resolution
[13:10] <rick_h__> brousch: awesome
[13:17] <greg-g> g'morn
[13:17] <brousch> b'morn
[13:22] <tjagoda> Sony to launch Android tablets?
[13:22] <tjagoda> How many different Android tablets does the market need?
[13:23] <tjagoda> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13192354
[13:23] <brousch> 20:1 to swamp the ipads
[13:24] <brousch> every company that makes laptops needs a 7" and 10" android tablet
[13:37] <brousch> heh, and this morning from the lmde user: Becoming progressively unimpressed with Mint Debian. Regular update killed X, command line networking tools don't work. http://hootsuite.com/dashboard# http://hootsuite.com/dashboard#
[13:40] <tjagoda> lol
[14:08] <snap-l> I <3 Meetings at 9am
[14:08] <snap-l> especially meetings that appear to have grave importance.
[14:09] <snap-l> I fully expect Sony to adopt an Android gaming platform under the Playstation brand
[14:09] <snap-l> I think they already have a portable with Android, but I may be mistaken
[14:15] <snap-l> Also <3 Live Meeting. (blergh)
[14:25] <tjagoda> Who games on sony products?
[14:25] <tjagoda> Didn't even know the playstation still existed. =P
[14:26] <tjagoda> http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/26/nielsen-consumer-desire-for-android-grows-unlike-ios-and-blackberry/
[14:26] <tjagoda> Article makes me cry on the inside
[14:29] <tjagoda> Oh well
[14:29] <tjagoda> At least BB is still growing
[14:29] <tjagoda> And beating WinMo
[14:30] <tjagoda> NOT YET UNDERDOG! WOO
[14:31] <brousch> palm is the underdog. bb is the underplatypus. winmo is the underdungbeetle
[14:32] <tjagoda> http://www.pcworld.com/article/226245/developers_frustration_with_android_growing_survey_finds.html
[14:32] <tjagoda> Just you wait until Android catches RIM disease
[14:33] <tjagoda> Overconfidence will be your undoing! =P
[14:34] <brousch> i was talking to guys from probably the best dev shop in GR last night. they develop using pretty much any technology, and BB is their most hated platform
[14:34] <tjagoda> "Developers annoyed by device fragmentation"
[14:34] <tjagoda> Unquestionably, the BB dev process is massively stupid
[14:34] <brousch> apparently you use java 1.3 to dev for bb
[14:34] <tjagoda> Even I can't defend that
[14:34] <tjagoda> =P
[14:35] <tjagoda> With the Playbook they're at least trying to fix it though
[14:35] <tjagoda> opening up more languages and etc
[14:35] <brousch> you can use java 1.4 features on playbook?
[14:35] <tjagoda> I expect it to be at least less painful with QNX
[14:35] <tjagoda> Duno about Java 1.4 specifically
[14:35] <tjagoda> I will look
[14:38] <tjagoda> Uh
[14:39] <tjagoda> This forum thread from 2007 had people saying they're using JDK1.4 for blackberry dev
[14:39] <brousch> but you can't use a lot of the features introduced in 1.4
[14:39] <tjagoda> "The general rule is this: always use a JDE version equal to or less than  the OS version you're targeting. For example, if you're targeting OS  4.3 you can use JDE 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 or 4.3 to develop your application,  but not 4.5, 4.7 or 5.0."
[14:40] <tjagoda> Woops
[14:40] <tjagoda> wrong copy past
[14:40] <tjagoda> JDK is further down
[14:40] <tjagoda>  /snags
[14:40] <brousch> http://spin.atomicobject.com/2010/11/22/the-cost-of-building-blackberry-apps
[14:42] <tjagoda> I think QNX phones are supposed to start hitting the market in 2012
[14:42] <tjagoda> And that's when the entire blackberry line will have moved from Blackberry OS to QNX
[14:43] <brousch> one of the big hang-ups people have about android dev is that they have to use java. bb forces you to use an ancient java and dev on windows. it's like 10x worse!
[14:43] <brousch> no one wants that pain
[14:43] <brousch> maybe it'll get better
[14:45] <tjagoda> QNX is (supposedly) supposed to increase your options for dev work, and not force you to use Java
[14:46] <tjagoda> Yeah
[14:47] <snap-l> RIM Disease? Is that the disease where you spend time, energy, and money developing for a platform where most folks only download the Google apps and use the built-in crap?
[14:47] <tjagoda> Adobe SDK (AIR)
[14:47] <tjagoda> And WebWorks SDK
[14:47] <snap-l> Wow, so the entire world of twitter apps is now available to the Playbook
[14:47] <snap-l> well played.
[14:47] <brousch> air is very useful for making twitter clients
[14:48] <snap-l> brousch: And it's also good for twitter clients
[14:48] <tjagoda> WebWorks is targeted for dev's who want to integrate existing web applications
[14:48] <snap-l> I think there's a few twitter clients made using air
[14:48] <snap-l> My go-to playform for making twitter clients would certainly be AIR
[14:48] <tjagoda> And you can dev on Windows/Mac in both of those new options
[14:48] <tjagoda> Linux too in AIR
[14:49] <tjagoda> So the process is like 6% less painful =P
[14:49] <snap-l> Where you can make stunning twitter clients.
[14:49] <tjagoda> They actually make the playbook simulator for linux
[14:49] <tjagoda> which is cool
[14:49] <snap-l> To you can twitter while you twitter
[14:49] <snap-l> s/To/So/
[14:50] <tjagoda> "RIM will add full tooling support for native C/C++ development for the  BlackBerry PlayBook tablet over the coming months.  We’re highly  confident about this.  The QNX team RIM acquired to develop our  BlackBerry Tablet OS has won awards for its Eclipse-based native  Integrated Development Environment (“IDE”)."
[14:51] <tjagoda> Native C ftw
[14:52] <tjagoda> They also bought tinyHippos
[14:52] <tjagoda> And the only thing tinyHippos does is cross platform emulation
[14:52] <brousch> definitely. everyone wants buffer overflow vulnerabilities on their mobile device
[14:53] <_stink_> "We’re highly  confident about this." <-- this is always a bad sign.
[14:53] <tjagoda> lol
[14:54] <snap-l> _stink_: ++
[14:54] <snap-l> Which means they've contracted / outsourced it
[14:54] <snap-l> or they're not sure the mergers are going to be fruitful
[14:55] <tjagoda> Hey
[14:56] <tjagoda> At least they're finally giving it CPR
[14:56] <tjagoda> Whether or not they know how to perform CPR is yet to be seen
[14:56] <snap-l> Yeah, about the same time that it was either them or God.
[14:57] <snap-l> The platform has been moribund for a while
[14:57] <snap-l> it'll take some time for them to learn to adjust to a world without tweed jackets.
[15:01] <tjagoda> Data over the nextel network is SOOOO SLOOOW
[15:03] <brousch> does nextel still exist?
[15:03] <brousch> i thought sprint bought them and gutted it
[15:11] <jjesse> jcastro that try ubuntu online w/ EC2 link doesn't work in IE 9 on the blog that was shared in google reader, the link flashes when i try to click on it
[15:12] <jjesse> jcastro however it works in chrome
[15:17] <brousch> ie9 is not a real web brwoser
[15:18] <jjesse> ie9 runs faster and consumes less resources for me than chrome does
[15:18] <jjesse> chrome is almost double the amount of memory than ie9
[15:18] <waldo323> does ie 9 load everything?
[15:18] <jjesse> for the same pages
[15:18] <tjagoda> brousch: Sprint sells a "nextel" phone
[15:18] <jjesse> waldo323 what do you mean?
[15:18] <tjagoda> nextel network was incompatible with sprint's network
[15:19] <brousch> that's because it lacks features
[15:19] <brousch> i bet ie6 runs even faster
[15:19] <waldo323> 2 fold, do things render correctly?  does it not load somethings
[15:19] <snap-l> I think it does lazy loading like Chrome
[15:19] <jjesse> every page besdies the try ubuntu one loads for me
[15:20] <snap-l> so it'll load something once it's visible
[15:20] <jjesse> that i've vistied
[15:20] <snap-l> though knowing Microsoft, it probably is a little too lazy. ;)
[15:22] <waldo323> so is chrome semi-hyper?
[15:23] <snap-l> All in the name of science
[15:23] <snap-l> and speed
[15:25] <tjagoda> brousch: it's so so painfully slow
[15:25] <tjagoda> Like the dialup of mobile networks
[15:26] <tjagoda> Look me half the day to download the 90MB Bberry OS update from sprint
[15:26] <tjagoda> erh
[15:26] <tjagoda> from nextel*
[15:26] <tjagoda> Works well for voice though
[15:26] <tjagoda> When sprint didn't work we'd move them to the nextel towers
[15:32] <smoser> hey ubuntu-us-mi peoples.
[15:33] <smoser> i'd be interested in anyone taking a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1739635
[15:33] <smoser> and telling me how it goes for you
[15:34] <snap-l> clicking
[15:34] <snap-l> spinning and loading
[15:34] <snap-l> There we go
[15:35] <snap-l> And nothing.
[15:36] <snap-l> requires Java to runi
[15:36] <snap-l> Unfortunately, it appears iced tea isn't up to the challenge?
[15:36] <_stink_> smoser: got the logo,  the flashing dots.... then timed out
[15:37] <snap-l> I have to download the NX plugin to get it to work
[15:37] <snap-l> This is not particularly good marketing
[15:37] <snap-l> accidentally hit cancel, and now I'm toast.
[15:37] <_stink_> smoser: refresh -> timeout again.
[15:38] <smoser> you hit cancel on the nxapplet?
[15:38] <smoser> and a reload is timing out?
[15:38] <snap-l> I hit "no" to give it permission by mistake.
[15:38] <snap-l> And now a connection error
[15:39] <smoser> connection error ?
[15:39] <snap-l> all the while, a little timer is frustratingly counting down
[15:39] <snap-l> yeah, from NXApplet
[15:39] <smoser> hm..
[15:39] <snap-l> The permissions are maddening
[15:39] <snap-l> third try
[15:39] <smoser> permissions?
[15:40] <snap-l> Java asks for permissions to run these apps if you don't have them already.
[15:40] <smoser> yeah
[15:40] <snap-l> trust this, run that
[15:40] <smoser> that does suck
[15:40] <smoser> but there is nothing i can really do about that.
[15:40] <snap-l> and I'm still getting a connection error
[15:40] <smoser> well, we thought of 2 things
[15:40] <snap-l> 5 minutes in, and I'm still not running shit
[15:40] <smoser> a.) use the other gaping hole -- flash (but there exists a java applet)
[15:40] <_stink_> smoser: i tried again from the original link, got a java permission popup, said yes, and now i'm just getting a gray box with the timer
[15:40] <jjesse> i've given java permsisions but nothing started
[15:41] <smoser> b.) release and browser exploit and then exploit it.
[15:41] <smoser> _stink_, reload the page
[15:41] <smoser> that is a java error i think
[15:41] <smoser> also just switching tabs back and forht seems to kick it sometimes.
[15:41] <smoser> jjesse, what do you see?
[15:41] <_stink_> smoser: tab switching didn't help, reloading page times out.
[15:42] <brousch> they should just create the server and let people install nxclient themselves. then send an email with login info
[15:42] <jjesse> smoser countdown screen
[15:42] <snap-l> "There's no session file available on the server"
[15:42] <smoser> snap-l, hm...
[15:42] <snap-l> (hit logout, and tried to retry again"
[15:43] <jjesse> can't session timed out and all i can do is leave feedback
[15:43] <_stink_> smoser: refresh page again, now back to counter with gray box.
[15:43] <snap-l> Yeah, and I'm leaving feedback.
[15:43] <_stink_> about to try an XP VM.
[15:44] <brousch> not much luck on osx
[15:44] <brousch> the timer and counting down and it says connecting to <ip address>
[15:45] <smoser> snap-l, :) thank you
[15:45] <snap-l> Oh lovely... if you don't use the time, it's still counting down
[15:45] <snap-l> smoser: If you have any authority, pull this campaign
[15:45] <snap-l> it's not working
[15:46] <snap-l> Oh, hey... it showed up under Windows
[15:47] <jjesse> what version of windows
[15:47] <_stink_> heh, i like when i got on with the XP VM, it continued the counter when i left off the not working linux attempt.
[15:47] <snap-l> XP
[15:47] <snap-l> _stink_: Yeah
[15:47] <_stink_> smoser: ok, on XP, i just get a black box with the counter.
[15:48] <jjesse> tried windows 7 w/ chrome, windows  7 w/ firefox and windows 7 w/ ie9 and could get anythign to load
[15:48] <jjesse> and now i'm out of time
[15:48] <_stink_> i'm waiting to see what happens when time runs out.
[15:48] <_stink_> i hope there's an explostion
[15:48] <_stink_> explosion
[15:48] <smoser> thanks for your help. i will come back to you guys when its going  a bit better and clear your "already used" marker.
[15:48] <brousch> whoa, i'm in
[15:49] <brousch> i had to close the tab and reopen it
[15:49] <snap-l> Although I have a video playing via nomachine. :)
[15:49] <snap-l> Yeah, under Ubuntu it's a no-go
[15:49] <snap-l> under Windows, it's working
[15:49] <snap-l> Go figure
[15:49] <_stink_> or Mario falling down to the bottom of the screen.
[15:49] <brousch> but i am probably one of the few people that actually had nxclient installed already
[15:49] <snap-l> Probably a problem of the iced tea plugin
[15:50] <brousch> now to use it to download massive amounts of pirated materials!
[15:50] <snap-l> Oh, the notification of "Good Bye" is a nice touch
[15:50] <snap-l> Except it doesn't appear to be logging me off. :)
[15:51] <brousch> hm, i don't remember the icons twitching around before
[15:51] <snap-l> Oh, there it goes.
[15:51] <_stink_> heh, on this reload, the CSS didn't come down.  so i have an unstyled page with a black box and a morbid looking timer.
[15:53] <_stink_> 20 SECONDS LEFT
[15:54] <brousch> oh man, i got kicked off with 2 minutes left
[15:54] <brousch> was downloading an ISO at 12MB/s
[15:54] <snap-l> brousch: Heh. :)
[15:54] <_stink_> hah
[15:54] <snap-l> Interesting to see what people do with 15 minutes of compute, and a fast pipe
[15:55] <brousch> i was downloading ubuntu of course!
[15:56] <_stink_> that's pretty meta.
[15:57] <_stink_> install virtualbox, download ubuntu ISO, install it, start VM, open browser, get ubuntu natty trial
[15:58] <smoser> brousch, i dont knwo tha tit knows whether or not you've got the client installed
[15:58] <smoser> i think it downlads anyway.
[15:59] <brousch> i use nomachine as my vps to work. one time nxclient was breaking under linux, so i did: ubuntu, vmware player with winxp, nxclient to my work ubuntu, vnc from that machine to win2003sbs server, restart ubuntu VM in vmware server
[15:59] <smoser> snap-l, it does work under ubuntu... i'ave tried both under lucid and natty. but the grey box is an issue. i think its due to slow page loads.
[16:00] <_stink_> smoser: please let us know if we can do anything to get more debugging info.
[16:00] <_stink_> brousch: that's awesome.
[16:01] <brousch> it ran fine once i connected, but took about 5 minutes to connect. i think the issue is you need to reload the page/tab/browser? after downloading the nx stuff
[16:01] <_stink_> yeah, i saw a difference on reload the first time too.
[16:32] <snap-l> smoser: Were you using the Sun plugin or the iced tea plugin?
[16:33] <smoser> iced tea
[16:33] <snap-l> Strange
[16:33] <smoser> if you get the grey box, i think that brousch is correc.t
[16:33] <smoser> its an ordering thing... porbably really a bug in the nx client, but shown due to how slow page loads are happening
[16:34] <snap-l> I couldn't even get connected under Linux
[16:34] <snap-l> Might have been because of the cancellation that I did before
[16:35] <brousch> brousch is correct? oh yeah, f34r my new giant head!
[16:54] <wolfger> brousch is correct? How did we let that happen?
[17:19] <snap-l> heh. :)
[17:21] <snap-l> I <3 Meetings
[17:21] <snap-l> Got another one starting in a half-hour
[17:21] <snap-l> That'll be three.
[17:21] <rick_h__> hmm, sure it's not meeting monday?
[17:22] <rick_h__> snap-l: recording tonight?
[17:22] <rick_h__> at least trying to
[17:26] <snap-l> rick_h__: I've got MUG Board meeting tonight
[17:27] <rick_h__> doh, nvm then
[17:27] <snap-l> might be able to eek something out afterwards
[17:27] <jrwren> rick_h__: your feelings on this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=247535
[17:27] <rick_h__> meh, that's ok. figured I'd check
[17:27] <snap-l> but it'll be after 9pm
[17:27] <jrwren> ctrl-tab for vim tabnext
[17:27] <snap-l> rick_h__: yeah, this week isn't terribly good for evenings. :)
[17:28] <rick_h__> jrwren: sucky that the term eats it I guess
[17:28] <rick_h__> oh, you mean opinion on the shortcut itself?
[17:28] <rick_h__> tabs aren't useful is my feelings on that
[17:29] <rick_h__> I was a moron when I said I couldn't use vim until it got tabs
[17:35] <snap-l> http://mailman.salmar.com/pipermail/wftl-lug/2011-April/122027.html <- you'll lvoe this, rick_h__
[17:35] <snap-l> (follow the thread)
[17:38] <rick_h__> .:P
[17:38] <rick_h__> :P that is
[17:38] <rick_h__> wait, I never got to check with Blazeix on my toll bait I setup for him
[17:38] <rick_h__> he's probably off doing useful stuff, that silly guy
[17:38] <rick_h__> snap-l: but thanks for making sure django wasn't left as the only thing there +1
[17:41] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, I thought you might like that
[17:43] <snap-l> I love that I put in a bunch of suggestions, and the only thing he responded to was the question about what he's programmed in, and what he hopes to do
[17:44] <rick_h__> yea, I've never seen one of those threads go well
[17:44] <rick_h__> I've just stopped replying any more
[17:44] <rick_h__> if you don't already know what you want to do, you're not going to find something someone else tells you
[17:45] <snap-l> rick_h__: That's pessimistic
[17:45] <rick_h__> people learn because they want to, not because someon on the list said XX was fun.
[17:45] <rick_h__> ime that is
[17:45] <rick_h__> no, I mean if the guy wanted to learn python there'd be a desire/need already there
[17:45] <snap-l> Yeah, I hear you. :)
[17:45] <rick_h__> I want to do XXX, oh, I can use python for that
[17:46] <snap-l> It's the job shifter.
[17:46] <snap-l> "Oh, xx looks interesting. I wonder what resources are out there."
[17:46] <rick_h__> maybe I should say more "you're not going to stick through xx until the end if I give it to you vs if you come to me wanting to do xx"
[17:46] <snap-l> "I know, I'll ask a random list for what might be out there"
[17:47] <snap-l> Maybe that's a trait of Java developers
[17:47] <snap-l> "I want to use Java. What the hell am I thinking?"
[17:49] <snap-l> http://www.theonion.com/video/today-now-interviews-the-5yearold-screenwriter-of,20188/
[17:51] <jrwren> rick_h__: agreed. windows rock, tabs less so. I'd really like some unified "next window or tab" because I do kind of use both.
[17:51] <rick_h__> jrwren: ah, between tiling, splits/windows, and buffer switching I've not opened a tab in a couple of years
[17:52] <tjagoda> rick_h and window managament: How the other 3% live
[17:52] <tjagoda> =P
[17:53] <rick_h__> 3%? thought it was more 0.3%
[17:53] <jrwren> maybe I should learn how to have an open buffer without having it displayed in a window :)
[17:53] <_stink_> yeah, how is that done?
[17:53] <_stink_> i think i used to know.
[17:54] <rick_h__> :tab<tab> to complete options?
[17:54] <rick_h__> probably :tabnew?
[17:54] <rick_h__> oh, sorry, missed jrwren in there
[17:54] <rick_h__> not have it displayed? You just open files as you need them
[17:55] <rick_h__> when you move a window from one file to another it's in the bufferlist
[17:55] <rick_h__> why open a file up if you don't want it in the window?
[17:55] <snap-l> rick_h__: To make sure nobody else gets the lock, of course.
[17:56] <snap-l> When you're making those on-the-production server changes. ;)
[17:56] <rick_h__> ah, got it
[17:56] <rick_h__> heh, that's too much thought
[17:56] <rick_h__> I'll just force edit anyway
[17:57] <snap-l> and you call yourself a web developer. Sheesh
[17:57] <snap-l> You must be doing that waterfall developmet where you actually check in code and promote
[17:58] <snap-l> We're agile. We edit it right on the server
[17:58] <tjagoda> I think the nextel data is actually moving slower than 32kbps
[17:58] <tjagoda> Old school dialup baby
[17:58] <snap-l> tjagoda: Maybe they're using the backup USR Sportster method of data transfer
[17:59] <rick_h__> nextel? you downgrade from BB to nextel now?
[17:59] <tjagoda> This is a nextel BB
[17:59] <tjagoda> You can still buy nextel devices from sprint
[17:59] <tjagoda> My BB is a sprint BB
[17:59] <rick_h__> lol, boy tjagoda can sure pick the winners
[18:00] <tjagoda> the BB i'm working on is not mine
[18:00] <rick_h__> :)
[18:00] <rick_h__> I thought they had phased out the nextel stuff and stolen their spectrum
[18:00] <tjagoda> Hey, asshat, here's the reasoning which I had no part in picking =P
[18:00] <tjagoda> They move people to nextel phones when sprint service doesn't work
[18:00] <rick_h__> woo! I'm victorius today. I've earned the a**hat crown
[18:00] <snap-l> tjagoda: West side of Michigan?
[18:00] <rick_h__> sorry, I'm very stabby today.
[18:00] <tjagoda> nextel towers were incompatible with the sprint network, so they're all still there
[18:01] <tjagoda> just doing their own thing
[18:01] <rick_h__> just be glad you weren't my coworker asking in a meeting if we had any "collective knowledge using the redmine ticket system?"
[18:01] <snap-l> Seemed there was more nextel coverage on the west side.
[18:01] <snap-l> collective knowledge?
[18:01] <snap-l> What's to know?
[18:01] <tjagoda> snap-l: nope, here in the east
[18:01] <rick_h__> yea, my answer was...in song of course "You put the ticket in, you close the ticket out, you put the ticket in and you shake your code about..."
[18:01] <snap-l> tjagoda: That's odd. Didn't think there was enough Nextel penetration out this way
[18:01] <rick_h__> stabby
[18:02] <snap-l> rick_h__: Maybe you can all sit around a campfire on some offsite retreat singing Kum-By-Yah, and close tickets together.
[18:02] <tjagoda> The nextel always has service
[18:02] <tjagoda> everywhere
[18:02] <rick_h__> yea, so do pagers
[18:02] <snap-l> tjagoda: Just slow access. I see.
[18:02] <rick_h__> not sure I'd want to run my phone over that network either :P
[18:03] <snap-l> rick_h__: You're getting a timeout. ;)
[18:03]  * rick_h__ looks at the wife's pager she has to carry around
[18:03] <tjagoda> The uber-low frequency spectrum nextel had was amazing
[18:03] <tjagoda> great at making it through walls and basements because of the huge wavelength
[18:03] <snap-l> The two-way radio was pretty snazzy as well
[18:03] <snap-l> although I grew to HATE that sound
[18:03] <tjagoda> Chirpchirp
[18:04] <snap-l> bdweeeep. "HELLO"
[18:04] <tjagoda> And then when the person doesn't pick up, the three of for "UH, YOU THERE"
[18:04] <tjagoda> which would follow
[18:04] <snap-l> tjagoda: Exactly.
[18:05] <snap-l> Might as well have had a CB radio
[18:05] <snap-l> "BREAKER BREAKER, THIS HERE'S THE DUCK, AND I'M ABOUT TO GO A-HUNTIN' BEAR"
[18:05] <tjagoda> According to my bill sprint still supports the DirectConnect NEXTEL protocol
[18:06] <snap-l> (Yes, way too many plays of 'Convoy' in my youth.
[18:07] <tjagoda> lol
[18:07] <snap-l> "Gonna move this truckin' convoy 'cross the USA. CONVOOOOOOY"
[18:13] <snap-l> Oh man
[18:13] <snap-l> Love this ultimatum
[18:13] <snap-l> "We will not take over code that isn't 100%"
[18:13] <snap-l> Name me one piece of code that is 100% that isn't 1 line of BASIC
[18:15] <rick_h__> umm, 100% what?
[18:15] <rick_h__> implemented, unit tested, crap?
[18:15] <snap-l> I belive they want 100% defect free.
[18:15] <rick_h__> ah...
[18:15] <rick_h__> lolololololololol
[18:17] <snap-l> *sigh*
[18:21] <rick_h__> dbl *sigh*
[18:21] <rick_h__> is it ok to block co-workers on coorperate IM?
[18:21] <tjagoda> No
[18:21] <tjagoda> =p
[18:34] <jrwren> anyone run their home servers on LVM
[18:34] <snap-l> jrwren: Only in a VM, where it doesn't really matter anyway
[18:35] <snap-l> Played with the software raid once, just to see if I could break it. I did. :)
[18:38] <jrwren> how about non home servers?
[18:38] <jrwren> i'd like a bit more flexibility in my storage, and maybe some optional redundancy, but I don't really want LVM on MDraid
[18:42] <jrwren> after reading a serverfault Q and A I think I'll start adding all new disks to LVM  and migrate there over the next few years.
[18:42] <jrwren> my home server has been around for 5+ yrs now and I just keep swapping disks in and out.
[18:42] <jrwren> http://serverfault.com/questions/13192/file-server-storage-configuration-raid-vs-lvm-vs-zfs-something-else
[18:42] <snap-l> jrwren: Do you know how LVM handles removing a drove from the volume?
[18:42] <snap-l> I'm not sure how it handles that
[18:42] <jrwren> it does
[18:42] <snap-l> s/drove/drive/
[18:43] <jrwren> pvmove /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
[18:43] <jrwren> e.g.
[18:45] <snap-l> Interesting.
[18:47] <rick_h__> sweet, snap-l all community mgr on CHC
[18:51] <krondor> jrwren I use lvm on all my servers
[18:52] <krondor> works well with very little overhead.  lvm on top of md on my home machine works too but w/ raid 5 and such you need to do some work on the chunk size and stride width to get good performance or there's tons of overhead.
[18:54] <snap-l> rick_h__: Heh. :)
[19:34] <tjagoda> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/04/were-sorry-but-seti-cant-take-your-call-right-now.ars
[19:34] <tjagoda> oh no
[19:34] <tjagoda> How are we supposed to find nothing if we cant analyze the data????!!!!
[20:55] <snap-l> jcastro: Um, whoops.
[20:55] <snap-l> re: line falling down
[20:57] <jjesse> we are under a tornado watch till 10pm
[20:57] <snap-l> Same here
[20:57] <snap-l> I think most of southern Michigan is under the watch
[20:58] <jjesse> nice
[20:58] <snap-l> Um, southern and mid-michigan. ;)
[21:01] <greg-g> whoa, I didn't believe it until I looked at the regional radar, that is a mean looking line of storms
[21:19] <jjesse> looks like its moving fast
[21:27] <brousch> damnit. i live in the gap http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20shot%202011-04-26%20at%204.26.44%20PM.png
[21:32] <brousch> i always knew jjesse was a dirty polluter what with all his jogging and running http://dvice.com/archives/2011/04/driving-hybrid.php
[21:33] <jjesse> thats how i roll
[21:33] <jjesse> brousch that sucks
[21:33] <brousch> quit breathing so much!
[21:55] <rick_h__> wow, glad I'm not a sony ps3 owner right now
[21:55] <rick_h__> and I was pissed at my bank/etc for that mailing list company breach
[21:55] <snap-l> rick_h__: New developments outside of "well, we don't know if we exposed your credit card info or not?"
[21:55] <rick_h__> yea
[21:55] <rick_h__> sec, let me find the link
[21:56] <rick_h__> http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/26/update-on-playstation-network-and-qriocity/
[21:56] <jcastro> heh
[21:57] <snap-l> I think their response can be summarized thusly: "oh fuck".
[21:58] <rick_h__> yea, "here's every link we can give you to help CYA over the data that got out. They basically rooted us and said bend over"
[21:59] <snap-l> That's not a notification letter, that's their lawyers battoning down the hatches.
[21:59] <jcastro> yeah
[21:59] <jcastro> and they're even worse
[21:59] <jcastro> they could have just said "we don't know, you might be screwed"
[21:59] <snap-l> because the class action is coming
[21:59] <jcastro> but instead they hand wavied people
[21:59] <jcastro> they should have said "not sure, call your bank and redo your shit"
[22:00] <jcastro> but instead they had to be sony, and wait like 4 days
[22:00] <rick_h__> that's the big thing right?
[22:00] <jcastro> now, you're just as screwed as before but you've lost 4 or whatever days
[22:00] <rick_h__> they've kept quiet for days with all that data out there
[22:00] <snap-l> jcastro: Well, information is better than rumor
[22:00] <snap-l> what was compromised, what information did they have access to, what needs cleaning
[22:01] <jcastro> snap-l: right, but they didn't do any of that
[22:01] <snap-l> I have a feeling there's another story to this
[22:01] <jcastro> it was typical corporate "now now, let's not get too hasty, we're just rebuilding the network to be more reliable and maybe we had a problem."
[22:01] <snap-l> ie: who actually has access to that data outside of sony
[22:01] <jcastro> "OMFG WE WERE OWNED ALL ALONG."
[22:01] <snap-l> and I'm willing to wager that someone outsourced their administration
[22:01] <rick_h__> yea, the minute they brought in an outside security firm they knew they were hosed
[22:02] <rick_h__> you don't just hire/bring them in without having looked it over first
[22:02] <jcastro> rick_h__: yup
[22:02] <rick_h__> they don't sign that check until they know it's going to be worth it
[22:02] <snap-l> rick_h__: I think they might not have had any choice
[22:02] <snap-l> This sounds like someone cut the sysadmins until there was nothing left.
[22:03] <snap-l> and, surprise surprise, they got pwned.
[22:03] <jcastro> the sad part is people are going to dogpile sony
[22:03] <jcastro> when we know that our banks
[22:03] <rick_h__> this souds like someone got owned and it took 4 days to get the wording in the email from the laywers right
[22:03] <jcastro> .gov
[22:03] <jcastro> and everything important is just as screwed
[22:04] <rick_h__> cool though, most of the headlines are "CC may have been stolen" in the titles
[22:04] <snap-l> Well, the problem is it's ecommerce. Any time you have money flowing in, you're a more ripe target, and have much more to lose when you're hacked.
[22:04] <snap-l> er, cracked.
[22:04] <jcastro> right
[22:04] <jcastro> but it's the same with meatspace
[22:05] <jcastro> someone 100 years ago said
[22:05] <jcastro> "that's the problem with commerce, some guy can walk in with a gun into a bank ...."
[22:05] <rick_h__> yea, except now they get XXmillion in one hit
[22:05] <rick_h__> vs the number of people you can hit in a space irl
[22:05] <snap-l> Yeah, the old saying "why rob banks? That's where the money is"
[22:06] <snap-l> Except now we have virtual merchants all over the globe
[22:06] <jcastro> and of course, .gov will overcompensate, which means it will now take 40 steps to buy stuff on amazon
[22:06] <snap-l> and beancounters making sure they don't have enough folks to make stuff work
[22:06] <jcastro> or buy portal
[22:06] <snap-l> jcastro: It's not a .gov issue
[22:06] <jcastro> it will be
[22:06] <snap-l> remember when you could use a CC without the CCV?
[22:06] <jcastro> after this
[22:07] <jcastro> they'll just do a SoX equivalent for online stores
[22:07] <snap-l> That was implemented by the banks
[22:07] <jcastro> and blam, higher prices.
[22:07] <snap-l> jcastro: I doubt it. Amazon will bitch
[22:07] <snap-l> and Amazon pretty much drives the ecommerce conversation
[22:08] <snap-l> https://identi.ca/notice/72041132 <- Heh
[22:08] <rick_h__> I'm a sony hater so I'll just take my "hah! hah!" and go home
[22:08] <snap-l> I'm no fan of Sony's business practices, but I can feel for their admins
[22:08] <rick_h__> snap-l: meh, anyone think that would fix things? really?
[22:08] <jcastro> rick_h__: yeah Sony sucks.
[22:08] <jcastro> and see, bear's already started it.
[22:08] <jcastro> here comes SoX part 2.
[22:08] <jcastro> watch.
[22:09] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/72041638
[22:10] <snap-l> jcastro: I can't see Congress doing stuff about this
[22:10] <snap-l> They're too busy posturing over who will look good in the budget debates.
[22:10] <jcastro> "As of January 27, 2011, there are over 69 million registered PlayStation Network accounts worldwide."
[22:10] <jcastro> sure there will
[22:11] <snap-l> Well, I hope they don't, or eCommerce will grind to a halt.
[22:12] <rick_h__> ouch, 69million records of info
[22:12] <rick_h__> that's one pretty db
[22:32] <snap-l> greg-g: http://eclipsephase.com/new-art-core-book-reprint
[22:33] <snap-l> They're making the whole book CC licensed, instead of CC with some exceptions on artwork
[22:54] <greg-g> snap-l: awesome!