[01:51] <uofm49426> how can i get my laptop to find my desktop in vnc
[01:51] <uofm49426> over a wireless network
[04:32] <ArisVer> Good morning. A question on memory. System monitor reports 340MB instead of 350MB. How come?
[06:08] <ArisVer> Hi, i get SOME strange looking characters on my mozilla. I added a translator and i tried to translate some (chinese?) language and instead of english i get something like thailand lettering. I removed the translator but the characters are still there. I'm not even sure whether it was removed completely.
[06:16] <ArisVer> Anyone awake?
[06:38] <forkball> I haven't had this much fun on a computer in years!
[06:39] <forkball> I'm setting up my daughter's first desktop.
[06:39] <forkball> She's going to like the QuietPurple theme
[13:09] <jgratero> Best twitter client for xubuntu?
[13:10] <Sysi> the one you like the most
[13:42] <Mark76> Does anyone here know how to make the Pidgin text input window bigger? No one at pidgin irc is answering
[13:42] <Mark76> http://imagebin.org/150211
[13:49] <Mark76> I can't type properly in this stupidly small space
[13:53] <TheSheep> Mark76: did you try changing your gtk theme?
[15:12] <MK``> what do I use to view files on a network?
[15:14] <TheSheep> gigolo
[15:15] <MK``> thanks
[15:15] <TheSheep> if you mean the 'windows network'
[15:15] <TheSheep> aka smb
[15:15] <MK``> yes, that is what I meant, thanks
[15:15] <Mark76> I did, but it hasn't made any difference
[15:16] <TheSheep> Mark76: anything custom in your .gtkrc-2.0?
[15:16] <Mark76> Nope
[15:17] <Mark76> It only seems to affect some tabs. Not all
[15:21] <Mark76> Like this one
[16:18] <G-Kar> hello
[16:19] <G-Kar> just installed xubuntu 7.1 on a Mac G3 and I can't get out of busybox
[16:19] <charlie-tca> no such release
[16:20] <TheSheep> also, you might check the #ubuntu-ppc channel
[16:20] <TheSheep> !ppc
[16:21] <charlie-tca> We never had a 7.1, and anything older than 8.10 is unsupported now
[16:21] <G-Kar> ok. I'll try and find 8.1 and give it a go
[16:22] <TheSheep> there is no 8.1
[17:55] <zenrox> this new xfce is really nice and more polished than 4.6 ver
[18:05] <TheSheep> is it?
[18:05] <zenrox> yep
[18:05] <TheSheep> what makes you think so?
[18:05] <zenrox> well i have used xfce since 4.3
[18:06] <TheSheep> you mean you only used xfce4?
[18:06] <zenrox> backly
[18:06] <zenrox> basicly
[18:07] <zenrox> thare were differances between even in the various 4.whatever lines
[18:07] <TheSheep> so what is really nice in it in particular?
[18:07] <zenrox> faster cleaner and easyer configing
[19:58] <thecrazygm> hey, need a little help
[19:58] <thecrazygm> i lost the volume control with the gmusicbrowser thing
[19:58] <thecrazygm> all i can add back is the mixer
[20:02] <thecrazygm> i'm gonna go have a smoke, so i'll be afk for a sec, if someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated
[20:08] <Mark76> First left. then take a right
[20:11] <Mark76> Past the wheelie bins and it's the third door on your left
[20:12] <thecrazygm> ha
[20:14] <Sysi> try indicator-plugin
[20:15] <thecrazygm> yup that did it
[20:15] <thecrazygm> thanks
[20:16] <thecrazygm> i didn't bother to think that was what did it
[20:16] <thecrazygm> i was trying to remove the email/pidgin icon
[20:16] <thecrazygm> i guess i removed the whole indicator
[20:17] <Sysi> that would be done by removing indicator-messages with package manager
[20:18] <thecrazygm> again thanks
[20:20] <thecrazygm> thank you, quick apt-get remove and a kill -HUP and i'm happy now
[20:20] <thecrazygm> not used to debian/ubuntu
[20:20] <thecrazygm> not knew to linux though
[20:20] <thecrazygm> been using since Slackware 3
[20:20] <thecrazygm> I've been using Arch for the last few years
[20:21] <thecrazygm> got tired of fidling with config files etc
[20:21] <ArisVer> XChat, skip network list on startup, not working, Xubuntu 10.04lts.
[20:21] <thecrazygm> just wanted this desktop to work
[20:22] <charlie-tca> ArisVer: what do you mean, skip network list?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Xchat starts with a screen asking which network to use, doesn't it?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Then you have to click connect to actually do a connection?
[20:23] <ArisVer> Yes, there is a check box, but still comes with the screen.
[20:23] <charlie-tca> if it doesn't connect to a network, what will it do?
[20:24] <ArisVer> No, the programs i have loaded come back on restart.
[20:24] <ArisVer> (most of them)
[20:25] <ArisVer> I set up the connections manually.
[20:25] <ArisVer> And they connect automatically.
[20:26] <charlie-tca> I think that is a feature of Xchat, if you leave it open when restarting
[20:26] <ArisVer> I'll close now and check.
[20:27] <ArisVer> The screen did not come back now. It's gone.
[21:03] <mikeatvillage> Anyone there? I'm new to xchat and xubuntu
[21:05] <ArisVer> mikeatvillage: Ask your question. If someone knows he will answer you.
[21:06] <mikeatvillage> I have plugged in a usb handset but skype does not see it and I can't figure out how to get it recognised
[21:10] <ArisVer> Is there a way to put irc on Pidgin?
[21:11] <Unit193> Pidgin does handle IRC
[21:12] <Mark76> I'm using Pidgin right now
[21:12] <Mark76> You just have to add an iRC account
[21:13] <Mark76> For whichever network you want to connect to
[21:13] <Unit193> Mark76: Did you ever try Finch? (CLI interface to pidgin and looks just like it)
[21:13] <Mark76> I haven't
[21:13] <charlie-tca> mikeatvillage: try all the usb ports to see if one will recognize it
[21:13] <ArisVer> Put the 8001 number at port?
[21:14] <mikeatvillage> thanks charlie, I will try now...
[21:15] <charlie-tca> it might show up as a drive instead of phone, too
[21:17] <ArisVer> From Pidig i got a 'NickServ: (notice) ArisVer1 is not a registered nickname'.
[21:18] <Unit193> ArisVer: You can't have 2 clients running with the same nick
[21:19] <ArisVer> Unit193: What can i do?
[21:19] <mikeatvillage> no luck charlie :-( tried all usb ports.
[21:20] <Unit193> Log one out or use a different nick in one of the clients(and you're doing that in pidgin)
[21:20] <Unit193> ArisVer: ^^
[21:21] <DoctorTruth> does anyone know of a GOOD! video slideshow creator for Ubuntu as I am trying to create a vcd for mothers day coming up
[21:22] <charlie-tca> mikeatvillage: with the phone p
[21:22] <Unit193> See ArisVer1
[21:22] <charlie-tca> plugged into the computer, does it show anyting in lspci for it?
[21:22] <drc> Just noticed that in Additional Drivers (Nvidia - Current version) "This driver is activated but not currently in use". The -current driver works on this machine in Debian and LMDE. Is there something I have missed doing to "use" the proprietary driver in Xubuntu 11.04b[whatever] ?
[21:23] <ArisVer> Does this mean that i can close xchat and use pidgin?
[21:23] <charlie-tca> drc: have you restarted since installing it?
[21:23] <Unit193> ArisVer: If you want
[21:24] <charlie-tca> mikeatvillage: I could suggest trying in #ubuntu-beginners for more help with that
[21:24] <Unit193> ArisVer1: You can now change your nick in Pidgin to ArisVer
[21:24] <ArisVer1> Write test!
[21:24] <mikeatvillage> Nothing that looks relevant charlie
[21:24] <charlie-tca> So it doesn't see it at all
[21:24] <drc> charlie-tca: Many times...this also happens in ubuntu 11.04/Unity...although Unity appeared to work there.
[21:25] <mikeatvillage> tvm, I'll head over there
[21:25] <charlie-tca> drc: try clicking the activate button again, and let it reinstall it
[21:25] <drc> I forgot the command to see exactly which video driver <is> being used....
[21:25] <ArisVer1> Unit193: How?
[21:26] <mikeatvillage> activate button?
[21:26] <drc> charlie-tca: Done that, several times.
[21:26] <mikeatvillage> sorry, not for me :-)
[21:26] <charlie-tca> command for which video driver? I use lspci or look in /var/log/xorg
[21:27] <charlie-tca> drc: if unity worked, it is probably gallium
[21:29] <ArisVer> XChat seems better. It can remember some commands.
[21:29] <drc> charlie-tca: Sounds like something I saw ...somewhere.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> gallium is the latest non-proprietary driver for both ati and nvidia
[21:30] <charlie-tca> it works well for some cards
[21:33] <Unit193> ArisVer: Was AFK. You can do that with Accounts > {IRC Account} > Username
[21:33] <drc> charlie-tca: It worked well with Unity for me.
[21:34] <ArisVer> Yes, but, XChat seems better. It can remember some commands.
[21:35] <ArisVer> Like msg nickserv identify
[21:36] <Unit193> Pidgin can auto ident with nickserv. But each person should use what they like best! (I use irssi)
[21:36] <charlie-tca> weechat is very good too
[21:37] <ArisVer> How about joining channels? I have not seen an option there.
[21:37] <charlie-tca> pidgin?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I think it is harder to use
[21:37] <ArisVer> On Pidgin.
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I never found an easy way to join channels in pidgin
[21:40] <Unit193> File{ish} > Join chat
[21:41] <ArisVer> Where?
[21:42] <ArisVer> Using Pidgin i can log in with my nick, but i have to manually enter channels.
[21:44] <Sysi> i'm currently on irssi, but i like xchat quite much, it's simple
[21:50] <Unit193> irssi with some config to tell you what channels go with what numbers makes it easy
[21:52] <Sysi> i wouldn't use irssi if i wanted autoconnects
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Weechat; features of irrsi with autoconnect and channel names?
[21:54] <Unit193> charlie-tca: irssi can/does have that (I just don't like autojoin)
[21:55] <Unit193> charlie-tca: irssi autoconnects and idents with nickserv for me too
[21:55] <Sysi> afaik weechat doesn't differ that much about irssiabout features , it's just different
[22:02] <drc> Interesting...redux again.  It appears that the latest iteration of the Additional Drivers script(s) adds a xorg.conf that tells X not to show the nvidia logo on startup. Changed that and the nvidia logo turns up at the "normal" place in X startup. Looking at the Xorg.0.log it <appears> that X loads the nvidia drive and unloads all the other possible X video drivers (nouveau, etc.).
[22:03] <drc> Practicing my google-fu turns up some posts that suggest that the reason for "not currently in use" is because I am not doing anything that requires the 3D aspects of the driver.  Does this sound kosher?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but I have always had it activate if I installed it with hardware/additional drivers.
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I would be very skeptical about that suggestion
[22:05] <charlie-tca> You could install foobilliard and find out for sure. It uses 3d
[22:05] <drc> charlie-tca: Me also, but this has been consistent since doing fresh installs of X/Ubuntu 11.04b2+
[22:06] <charlie-tca> looking at my nvidia machine, let's see.
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I have Experimental 3D support NVIDIA cards - not activated
[22:06] <charlie-tca> but everything works
[22:06] <charlie-tca> wrong
[22:07] <charlie-tca> hilighting the driver, it is activated and in use
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Is that the answer? highlight the driver, and see if it says activated?
[22:07] <Sysi> nouveau overrides propietary one, check lspci -k
[22:07] <drc> foobilliard appears to work, at least the first screen comes up
[22:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, it always does, but is the action smooth or jerky?
[22:08] <Sysi> you have wrong driver in xorg.conf or you need to additionally blackist nouveau
[22:09] <drc> Sysi: 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[22:09] <drc> from lspci -k
[22:10] <drc>  charlie-tca:  All I have been able to do is move the perspective around, but that is smooth
[22:11] <Sysi> just wish your system won't explode with updates.. i don't consider jockey trustworthy
[22:11] <charlie-tca> and is the driver now activated?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> (system now requires 3d)
[22:12] <drc> charlie-tca: nope, activated but not in use
[22:12] <drc> how does one play this game?
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Pretty sure the ""not currently in use" is because I am not doing anything that requires the 3D aspects of the driver." is nonsense
[22:14] <charlie-tca> roller on the mouse to hit hard or soft, enter to shoot, left/right arrows to move around the table, right control or right shift + left mouse to move the cue ball when allowed
[22:15] <charlie-tca> ESC to bring up the menu
[22:16] <drc> charlie-tca: smooth as silk
[22:16] <drc> http://pastebin.com/KFF7D0W6   Xorg.0.log
[22:16] <charlie-tca> I went and looked, right shift + left mouse to move the cue ball
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Then it should be working, even if it doesn't know it
[22:17] <charlie-tca> If it is smooth, 3d is working
[22:17] <drc> charlie-tca: Ok, I'm officially confused now :)
[22:18] <charlie-tca> NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  270.41.06  Mon Apr 18 14:55:51 PDT 2011
[22:18] <drc> Everything <appears> to be working correctly.  It's not a big deal to me what the caption says, but it does confuse me.
[22:18] <charlie-tca> looks like nvidia hardware driver
[22:19] <charlie-tca> confusing, yes. Working, yes
[22:19] <drc> Well, if I'm gonna play pool, I need some beer.....
[22:19] <charlie-tca> I gave up confusion a while back, now I just go with what works
[22:22] <drc> Yup...sounds like sage advice.
[22:25] <thecrazygm> well, i'm out guys
[22:25] <thecrazygm> untill next time
[22:43] <drc> Great, now charlie-tca has turned my laptop into a pool hall :(
[22:44] <charlie-tca> just click that little X in the top right corner, it will go away
[22:45] <charlie-tca> neat little game, though, isn't it?
[22:45] <drc> yup...I <think> I remember a similiar (if not the same) from years (and years) ago...wasted too much time then too.
[22:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:46] <Sysi> umf, what game? didn't catch it from backlog
[22:46] <charlie-tca> foobilliard
[22:46] <drc> I <think> it was on a mac though....
[22:47] <charlie-tca> When I first installed it, it was not very much fun, and did not work good at all
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Now, though, with the improvements made to it and to Xubuntu, it is pretty good
[22:47] <drc> bbs
[22:57] <pedza> hey
[22:57] <pedza> on ubuntu and linux mint xfce i cant go past the gdm
[22:57] <pedza> how can this be fixed? :P
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Don't know how to fix Ubuntu or Mint
[22:58] <pedza> sorry
[22:58] <pedza> xubuntu
[22:59] <zenrox> pedza, try doing sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:59] <pedza> well
[22:59] <pedza> i just finished a fresh install
[22:59] <pedza> xubuntu natty beta 2
[22:59] <zenrox> i am using that right not
[23:00] <pedza> it has xubuntu-desktop as far as i know
[23:00] <pedza> yeah
[23:00] <pedza> i want to use it too but cant
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Did you change themes?
[23:00] <pedza> i just installed it
[23:00] <zenrox> do you have a 3d gfx card
[23:00] <zenrox> ??
[23:00] <pedza> cant even log in
[23:00] <pedza> integrated graphics card
[23:00] <pedza> the laptop is
[23:00] <pedza> hp 530
[23:00] <zenrox> is it 3d capabile
[23:00] <pedza> think so
[23:00] <pedza> i could run unity quite well
[23:00] <zenrox> what is it?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Try going to a tty using Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in and remove the .config files
[23:01] <zenrox> hmm
[23:01] <zenrox> ya
[23:01] <pedza> all of them?
[23:01] <zenrox> i would sugest that as well
[23:01] <zenrox> yes
[23:01] <pedza> the command is
[23:01] <charlie-tca> the files probably are not compatible with the current install
[23:01] <pedza> rm
[23:01] <pedza> ?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> rm ~/.config
[23:01] <zenrox> yep
[23:02] <charlie-tca> and rm ~/.cache
[23:02] <pedza> cannot remove ... : is a directory
[23:02] <pedza> :p
[23:02] <charlie-tca> then Ctrl+Alt+del
[23:02] <charlie-tca> OH
[23:02] <charlie-tca> forgot
[23:02] <charlie-tca> rm -r ~/.config
[23:02] <charlie-tca> and rm -r ~/.cache
[23:04] <Sysi> rm ~/.ICEauthority
[23:04] <pedza> ahhh
[23:04] <pedza> worked
[23:04] <pedza> thanks :)
[23:04] <zenrox> n/p
[23:04] <zenrox> pedza, just a config file messed up some how
[23:05] <pedza> but now i get a crappy default desktop :P
[23:05] <pedza> :)
[23:05] <pedza> yeah
[23:05] <Sysi> you can try something new then :P
[23:06] <pedza> i am
[23:06] <pedza> thanks guys ^^
[23:07] <charlie-tca> If you change the theme to wildbush, it will fret
[23:07] <pedza> gonna do another fresh install
[23:07] <charlie-tca> it will lock you out again
[23:07] <KM0201> how do i enable control alt backspace to restart X, under xfce?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> no idea
[23:08] <pedza> and by trial and error find out which config files are troublesome
[23:08] <Sysi> xorg thing
[23:09] <Sysi> xorg.conf is propably easiest, but altGr printScr K is new binding for that
[23:17] <pedza> is xubuntu used by any governments etc?
[23:28] <zenrox> that i dont just dont know
[23:28] <zenrox> if thay do thay ant talking about it
[23:28] <charlie-tca> That's because I can't remember no more
[23:32] <pedza> ok :)