[00:00] use a killall comand [00:00] how do I manually set what version of java the system is supposed to use? [00:00] im trying to remember [00:00] bash_profile doesn't seem to work [00:00] idk good question [00:01] wait..nm...now its picking it up. said it wasn't installed earlier [00:02] can anyone direct me to the location of a free mud? === timo_ is now known as Guest25630 [00:10] I can, but you probably woudln't like it <.< [00:16] How come? [00:16] I'd be willing to try it [00:16] <.< Cuz it involves furries? Lots and lots of furries? [00:17] i was wondering: what is the sudo command to download the python interpretter onto Kubuntu? [00:18] because i can't seem to find it on my computer [00:18] Fritz1793: This is a complete guess. sudo apt-get install Python [00:19] Fritz1793: If that's not it, try sudo apt-cache search python (Or similar names) [00:20] Keshl: is there a way to limit the number of search results per page? [00:21] Fritz1793: I have no idea. I'm still new to 'Buntu style distrobutions. [00:21] ok because it seems to have turned up quite a few results [00:22] hi Alonea [00:22] Fritz1793: Yeah, it drives me nuts. Apt-cache seems to show everything with the search term in it, and I don't know how to limit it to only searching package names rather than anmes and descriptions, for example.. [00:22] *names, descriptions.. [00:22] Daskreech: hey! [00:24] Keshl: can you run multiple search terms such as python and interpretter? [00:24] Fritz1793: To my knowledge, nope. [00:24] Fritz1793: Wait, maybe. [00:25] Fritz1793: No, not directly, but if you remove the limit on Konsole's logging, then copy and paste all the text into some editor, you can search from there. [00:25] Fritz1793: if you want to limit it you can pipe it into a pager [00:26] how are you Alonea? [00:26] Daskreech: a pager? [00:27] Fritz1793: yes [00:27] Yeahh, I can see what you meant now :P I'm not a furry fan [00:27] Less is the more popular one [00:27] Linkmaster: You said you would try it :) [00:27] Fritz1793: you want 'sudo apt-get install python' though [00:27] You got me there daskreech :p [00:28] Query: how do you notify the person of a response? I see an orange line across your response, and it gave me a notification [00:29] Linkmaster: You just did [00:29] Saying my name is enough [00:29] !tab [00:29] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [00:30] Oh really? Well, thats useful to learn. Didn't know it did that, haha [00:30] Fritz1793: A lot of ubuntu is written with Python so I'd be surprised if it was not installed [00:30] Keshl: go ahead and tell me the location, I said I'd try it [00:30] Daskreech: ok, it said 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 3 not upgraded? [00:30] Linkmaster: ..Well that was unexpected. <.< -PM's- [00:31] Fritz1793: what happens when you type python ? [00:32] ... it also said python is already the newest version... [00:32] i feel dumb now [00:32] thanks [00:33] python brought up the interpretter for me [00:36] I tried checking the installed software and it didn't show up, is it because Ubuntu runs off of it? [00:40] who here uses rekonq, konquerer, or some other browser?.. and please, don't answer that literally, because then everyone would just say "yes" or "i do" but state which one you use [00:40] I use rekonq [00:40] and FF [00:41] I wanted to use Konquerer, but since Maverick came preinstalled with Rekonq, and I didn't really want to bother with getting rid of it and putting on Konquerer... [00:41] is rekonq slow to you? [00:42] Fritz1793: Which installed software? [00:42] I'm used to chrome/chromium and its pretty much the fastest i've seen. [00:43] I use Konqueror Rekonq Chromium FF w3m links IE Safari in that order [00:43] Daskreech: Kpackagekit, but nvm I'm really dumb at linux as of yet and after trying to search for it, it showed it [00:44] Fritz1793: No it's cool learning is a good process [00:44] Get used to it [00:44] You pretty much never ever stop once you use linux [00:44] lol i'm trying [00:46] do you know of any good tutorials for Kubuntu/Linux? [00:47] -sarcasm- break the machine, then go to the forum site to learn how to get it resolved [00:48] Spaz_Dynamic: But no, I use Rekonq as my "speed browser" the same as Opera [00:49] Fritz1793: depends what are you trying to learn? [00:49] hmmm, is rekonq lighter than chromium? [00:49] Spaz_Dynamic: I hope so Chromium is one of the heaviest browsers I've used [00:50] Fritz1793: Read the release notes? [00:50] Daskreech: Really? What about firefox? [00:50] I dislike Chromium. Very much. It has WAY to much bloat to it and @Spaz_Dynamic, I've noticed that Rekonq sometimes is TOO light. It crashes for me when I try to do heavy video surfing through it, hence why I use ff [00:50] Chromium takes up more resources [00:50] However it is much faster for a lot of things so it doesn't feel like it [00:50] Daskreech: are they on the project's website? [00:51] I would guess when FF starts doing per tab process they will be about the same again [00:51] I think the primary reason it takes more resources is because each tab is its own process [00:51] :) [00:52] But I like that ability because if a tab crashes, you just lose the one and not all of them (which you can then reload on either Fx or Chromium, as far as I know) [00:52] Fritz1793: KDE userbase should help you with Kubuntu GUI learning [00:52] Fritz1793: Erm there is a kinda one on the website http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour [00:52] but on Fx, reloading every tab when you had 25 vs reloading the one tab... lol [00:53] I tend to have a problem with tabs... I like to collect them or something. [00:53] Fritz1793: http://userbase.kde.org/Applications/en [00:53] Spaz_Dynamic: You should like FF4 then it's much better at tab management than anything I've seen [00:54] Daskreech: Yeah, I've seen it. It is interesting, and probably good in practice, but off the bat, it was not overly intuitive for me and just got in my way. [00:55] But that was also only browsing for about 20 minutes to an hour [00:55] arpan: would there be one more general for Linux and Unix-like Operating systems? [00:55] Fritz1793: :) again highly depends on what you want to learn [00:55] Linux is remarkably to the point of ridiculously flexible [00:56] Frustratinginly so in fact [00:56] lol like sudo commands and other terminal based things [00:56] !commands [00:56] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [00:57] Linux is flexible to the point of being rigid actually :0 [00:57] there's a bot for that? :D [00:57] People in #ubuntu I recommended I download an older version of Kubuntu, then do a distrobution upgrade. I can't find the older versions, can anyone link me? [00:58] Fritz1793: Apple has apps we have bots what can I say? [00:58] Keshl: cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu [00:58] lol [00:58] Thanks, owo. [00:58] Keshl: What was your problem? [00:58] (since I doubt that's the right solution) [00:58] Wubi version mis-match due to downloading daily ISO builds. [00:59] Keshl: What are you running? [00:59] We tried for a long time to fix it, this is the best way we can think of to proceed. [00:59] natty? [00:59] Windows. [00:59] lol [00:59] which daily did you pull? [00:59] -shudders- [00:59] from the current beta? [01:00] No, current 10.10. [01:00] It got version 10.10.2, but expected 10.10.1, and died there. [01:00] Keshl: Where did you get a daily for that? [01:00] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/ [01:00] that's 10.04 [01:00] The installer pulls from there automatically, not me. We only recently got an idea to force it to use an even older version. [01:01] Keshl: do you have it up now? [01:01] can you open a terminal and type lsb_release -a [01:01] I'm on *windows* [01:02] I know I'm not assuming this is the only computer you have [01:02] Wubi, is a windows program, that installs a Buntu-styule distro, into a file on an NTFS partition. [01:02] Yes but you can do that from in the installer as well [01:02] ok [01:02] hmm [01:02] No you can't. <.< [01:02] * Daskreech hasn't used windows in a good long time. Please forgive me [01:02] Anyway, the link you gave me wo't work. [01:03] I need a live Cd image, not live DvD or alternate installer. [01:03] *won't [01:03] Keshl: try releases.ubuntu.com [01:03] I also require Kubuntu. <.< [01:04] ..Oh. [01:04] Tuny text. XD === mren is now known as mren|off [01:04] *Tiny [01:04] i'm currently running Konversation for this IRC chat, how can I change the timestamps? I would like to have it also display seconds [01:04] Keshl: yes Ubuntu is quite proud of it's bluehaired stepchild [01:04] Keshl: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu [01:06] can somone help me, i need to be able to do this offline, but it requires an online download: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652910&highlight=wpn111 [01:14] Fritz1793: you may find this one useful - http://www.tuxarena.com/static/intro_linux_cli.php [01:18] arpan: thank you soo much! [01:18] ciao! [01:18] Ok fine don't wait for an answer ;( [01:25] hrm, is rekonq why flash videos (e.g. youtube) aren't loading/doing anything, or is it cause I haven't done something necessary for kubuntu? [01:26] You might not have installed a flash player yet [01:26] That certainly might be it lol, I'll get right on that. [01:26] Though I don't know about yours, but my Rekonq likes to die when I watch flash vidoes [01:26] hmm, do you know why? [01:26] Either use adobe flash, or the GNU version called gnash [01:27] Not really. It could be that Rekonq really is a light browser [01:27] !flash [01:27] To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [01:27] ah. which do you use, gnash or adobe's? [01:27] I don't have flash installed so.. [01:28] I've both at one point or another. I like gnash since its linux native, and I like putting only linux-native stuff on my box. Makes me feel more free [01:28] haha [01:29] I refuse to put wine on my computer. I have a tiny windows partition for my windows needs. Otherwise, I use all opensource stuff [01:29] this is possibly a bit of a strange question... is there a such thing as a 64bit flash player? whether it's gnash or adobe? [01:29] most likely, allow me to look [01:29] I just recently discovered that my computer that I've had for several years is 64 bit capable [01:29] That, or it works for either/or [01:29] Spaz_Dynamic: open rekonq and there should be a notification asking for installation of extra packages. Flash should be installed by doing so. [01:30] Spaz_Dynamic: however it will install adobe flash and not gnash [01:30] arpan: it did that the first time I opened it, I said yes, and videos don't load. [01:30] What error message is coming up? [01:30] no error, they just don't load. [01:30] Huhh... [01:30] Have you installed FF yet? [01:30] Spaz_Dynamic: did you restart the rekonq after that? [01:30] And I'm assuming this is a fresh installation, correct? [01:31] I don't think it actually installed flash, I think it installed other things [01:31] Hm ^ That is interesting [01:31] fresh installation, yes, computer (and therefor browser too, obviously) have been restarted several times since then, so yes [01:32] Hm, restarting the computer shouldn't be needed to much, unless you upgrade things such as the kernel image :/ [01:33] But, we can try a couple things. Either attempt to reinstall flash through Konsole, remove flash and put gnash on [01:33] I think the kernel was upgrades once, yeah, and I restarted cause I was messing with my graphics adapter a lot, and a couple times the screen went blank and so I just logged into tty2 and restarted cause I was lazy xD [01:33] Spaz_Dynamic: you can install flashplugin-installer through konsole [01:33] that should fix it for you [01:33] That works well [01:33] ^Lets hope that way works [01:34] according to kpackagekit, I have adobe flash plugin installed [01:34] Huh. Attemp it with Konsole: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer [01:35] Spaz_Dynamic: what does "aptitude show flashplugin-installer" says? [01:35] should I uninstall it first, or should I just do it now? [01:35] You can try "reinstall" rather then install [01:35] But, see what the aptitude command shows [01:36] Linkmaster: what's a tiny windows partions? [01:36] Means I have less then 30gigs partitioned towards it [01:37] The program 'aptitude' can be found in the following packages: *lists two packages* [01:37] Ah, you don't have it downloaded [01:37] Guess I need to install it first then? [01:37] If you want, I don't use aptitude, so I have no input for it [01:38] well, arpan, you're the one who suggested the command, should I install it just for this purpose? [01:38] Linkmaster: Wow that is Tiny. How do you get away with that? pretty clean WindowsXP install? [01:38] I think that Windows 7 took that much with one app installed [01:38] Spaz_Dynamic: you can try apt-cache show flashplugin-installer [01:38] Spaz_Dynamic: no just use apt-get [01:38] No, XP takes only 5 gigs to install onto. But I just tell it to do that, and forget about it [01:39] Linkmaster: yeah XP is way smaller than Windows 7 [01:39] Daskreech: not to mention its better in most ways [01:39] though I remember it taking nearly a Gig installed when it came out and I was shocked [01:39] Linkmaster: Except any way that counts :) [01:39] my windows 7 takes like 11 gigs, I think, and thats after I installed a couple things like a different browser, antivirus, and graphics drivers [01:39] Daskreech: valid point, but if one knows what they are doing, then XP can do everything 7 can and more [01:40] I sometimes don't bother with AV. Its easier to run rkill and put MBAUM on it every week or so then to deal with stuff such as AVG/etc. [01:41] and am I doing apt-cache or apt-get for "show flashplugin-installer" [01:41] Spaz_Dynamic: use "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer [01:42] reinstall ? [01:42] Linkmaster: Oh certainly [01:42] try that if the install doesn't work [01:42] Spaz_Dynamic: apt-cache will display info on the package while apt-get can be used for re/installing package [01:42] Daskreech: its almost easier though, haha [01:43] query to someone...what does IRC stand for? I sort of stupidly forgot [01:43] in any case lets help Spaz_Dynamic be able to stream britney spears (statistically speaking) [01:43] Internet Relay Channel [01:43] Oh dear, and thanks. I thought it was something like that [01:43] uh, apt-get didn't know what "reinstall" was for the command "sudo apt-get reinstall flashplugin-installer " [01:44] I must've told you wrong then :l -feels dumb- I usually uninstall then install [01:44] and nah, it'd be more like metal covers of britney spears [01:44] should be in the Help file for whatever GUI Client you are using [01:44] Linkmaster: Internet Relay Chat [01:44] Chat [01:44] there is a really awesome cover of toxic, lemme find it for you since you brought it up =P [01:44] bleah [01:44] Chat..channel...same thing I guess [01:45] Maybe if you are using Telepathy [01:45] I'm using Quassel, haha [01:45] (I just realised how wrong that sounds when you are not in tech circles) [01:45] xD! [01:45] and. uh, hold the phone... [01:45] Sorry, back to Spaz_Dynamic! [01:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xwXOj55nIY [01:46] btw, youtube works... o.o [01:46] I'm rather confused now [01:46] Well, problem solved [01:46] Welcome to Linux. It solves itself, the OS is so damn smart :P [01:46] imbedded flash doesn't seem to be working then. [01:46] regular is [01:46] or.. no, that's working too [01:46] Huh [01:46] this is why I like linux [01:47] Yep, same here. I gave up on Windows LONG ago..unless I have to use something that requires Windows[especially about my anti-nonefreeware thing using my linux partition] [01:48] lsjenios [01:48] finally, ok [01:48] it just freaked out and I couldn't type here [01:49] but thats why I like linux. It likes to tease you. [01:49] Yep. Its so damn smart [01:50] Spaz_Dynamic: I'm going to guess you installed the plugin and didn't restart the browser [01:50] FF is the only one I've seen smart enough to do that [01:50] Though Chromium in theory should have an easier time of doing that [01:51] actuallly no it doesn't [01:51] hmm [01:51] Daskreech: uh, actually, I hadn't closed the browser from the time it wasn't loading to the time it started loading them. [01:51] Wait, what? [01:51] yeah. [01:51] Spaz_Dynamic: Rekonq? [01:51] chromium..smart? What planet are you on [01:51] * [01:51] **? [01:51] Daskreech: Yes [01:52] Spaz_Dynamic: no clue :) almost sure that Rekonq isn't nearly that sophisticated yet [01:52] yeah lol [01:52] * Daskreech sezs I who has not looked at the code [01:52] and as for chrome/ium [01:53] Daskreech: its not, but its still awesome in my opinion [01:53] if you install/uninstall a plugin, it gets activated almost immediately [01:53] such as adblockplus [01:53] Well it shared that with Konqueror so I can see why that would be useful [01:53] or disabling quciktime (did that on windows) [01:53] it considers it external [01:54] though with adblockplus, you have to refresh the page for the ads to be blocked, obviously. [01:54] Huh [01:54] trying arora.. no luck with youtube so far [01:55] arora looks simple and light but missing kde integration [01:56] Thats saddening [01:57] ...oh [01:57] I just figured out what happend with the flash earlier [01:57] if I switch tabs (or load a link with a video in a new tab) when I look at the tab with the video, all of the interface is hidden. [01:58] unless the video has started === gary is now known as Guest60783 [01:59] That...is interesting [01:59] yeah i experienced that with rekonq sometimes [02:00] yeah, and it isn't doing it now. It was just a couple minutes ago [02:00] FF is best for flash related stuff, at least for me [02:00] hmm, it seems its mainly the loading in a new tab (default action for middle click) [02:01] where it doesn't switch to it immideately [02:01] arpan: I concur with that [02:01] dunno if thats changable, probably is [02:01] and what is FF [02:01] Firefox [02:01] Oh... lol, properly Fx [02:01] >.> [02:03] Linkmaster: i wish a qt/kde browser could do the same. i love my system to be free of non-kde stuff. [02:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Early_Versions [02:03] arpan: you as well??? [02:04] arpan: I use like, very few things that aren't KDE related [02:05] Linkmaster: yeah, only LO, smplayer, vlc, choqok are non-kde for me [02:05] of course, FF too!! [02:06] arpan: I purged vlc - using kaffiene [02:06] arpan: Gah! [02:06] What? [02:06] Fx, not FF [02:06] Spaz_Dynamic: Fx for ya.. lol [02:06] >.> [02:06] lol [02:06] Its called FF. Deal with it =P [02:07] Linkmaster: Nuh uh, not according to Mozilla. [02:07] I like kaffiene but having issues with nvidia drivers so currently using smplayer [02:07] it's light and well tested [02:07] Makes sense, and I don't care what Mozilla says [02:08] *gasp* You don't care what the creators say? [02:08] Nope :P [02:08] Well aren't you the rebellious one. xD [02:08] Linkmaster: vlc is qt, although not KDE only it's pretty close :) [02:08] now using noveu drivers so will try kaffeine [02:09] True, true, and I am! :D [02:09] Quassel is qt too [02:09] Kaffeine is nice, different but similar to dragonplayer. Just make sure to download the codecs for it [02:10] And I know Quassel isn't KDE exactly, but its extremely close [02:10] Linkmaster: installing kaffeine, now! [02:10] Yippie! [02:11] You have the codecs, right? for stuff like .mpeg, etc [02:11] ah! that will bring in xine backend [02:11] Linkmaster: yep [02:11] arpan: do you know the actual KDE IRC client though? [02:11] Is xine bad? [02:11] Linkmaster: I suppose someone will point out that choqok is KDE at some point [02:11] Linkmaster: Konversation [02:11] Ah. Go figure xP and what is choqok..this is new to me [02:12] I might as well get it real fast, does it work well? [02:12] Linkmaster: I'm not sure if xine is bad but that will be too many backend on my system, gstreamer(default in natty), mplayer, xine [02:12] ah, very true [02:12] Linkmaster: choqok is twitter/identi.ca client [02:13] If possible arpan, use dragonplayer then. Its kinda bulky, but it works [02:13] I don't use twitter though === _BS_-NOT_ is now known as _BS_-NOT [02:14] Linkmaster: you don't need to tweet but you can surely get updates by following people/project on twitter === nhandler is now known as Guest956 [02:14] that makes sense. though its borderline creeper at that point xD === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [02:17] Linkmaster: i find quasel better than koversation. [02:17] arpan: well....it is Qt based. Which is arguably more KDE then anything else [02:18] Linkmaster: imo, quassel is by far easiest and user friendly client out there [02:19] arpan: I'll take your word on that one [02:19] :) [02:20] Too lazy to try out other stuff, haha [02:20] Linkmaster: i think kaffiene could use some GUI redesign love. [02:21] Oh it could. Its hideous, but it does the trick very well [02:21] Linkmaster: if the best comes readily available why to bother for other, and that's what makes me lazy, haha [02:22] Exactly! [02:22] Unless your a developer, and then you try anything and everything to see how to make yours better, or to keep it the best [02:22] Gah, I'm going to need to do something very depressing [02:23] ?? [02:23] Switch over to my Windows partition D' [02:23] *D': [02:23] :D [02:23] NO, thats bad! [02:23] I hate windows now [02:24] me 2 [02:24] i used to be a win developer couple of years back!! [02:24] I'd much rather use Linux. But the mic doesn't work on my linux for some reason [02:24] Really? Perhaps you know some useful things [02:25] Linkmaster: i m lucky that most of my hardware work out of the box on linux [02:25] True. All but my wireless did, and it works half the time without drivers, haha [02:26] that's wierd.. interesting to know that!! [02:26] ^Meaning half of the installs worked without drivers [02:27] okeydokey.. gotta go [02:27] Aha, alrighty. See you round! [02:27] Linkmaster: nice talking to you!! see ya!!!! [02:27] arpan: you too dude! [02:32] Linkmaster: what kind of mic? [02:33] Its an internal mic [02:33] Not sure really. I posted on the kubuntuforums site about it, and have had some help for it [02:33] does it turn up in lshw -C audio ? [02:33] Let me see [02:36] Nothing came up :l [02:36] But I can't resolve it at the moment, I need to make a call. Thus said, I need to go to windows D'x [02:37] Talk to you at a later point, we can see if we can resolve it then [02:44] hello? [02:46] I need to set up kubuntu 10.10 (new install) to access the DUN service on my blackberry. been stymied after several different approaches found on the web. anyone help? [02:52] jon5000: what is a DUN service ? [02:53] amason_: thank you for replying. sorry to be cryptic. DUN stands for Dial Up Networking. I want to use my blackberry's 3G internet connection on my kubuntu laptop [02:54] do you tether by USB or Bluetooth ? [02:55] amason_: either via bluetooth or usb. preferaly bluetooth. I cant seem to get anywhere. when i make the bluetooth connection the only service available is file transfer. When i connect the device by usb, the "mobile network" option in network manager is grayed out, as always. [02:57] amason_: I know that the bb device is capable, because I have shared the DUN internet connection to a jailbroken ipad with software designed to accomplish this. can also tether via windows. [02:57] jon5000: i beleive there have been some enhancements to the plasma network manager interface in the development version of kde to help in this scenario but i believe you may have to set it up manually if until such time as it's released [02:58] i haven't actually done this my self so i can't give you specifics, but you should be able to create a ppp0 interface [02:58] and use network manager to execute pppd or wvdial [02:58] to handle the authentication [02:58] amason_: that's where i am lost (manually). I have tried but was unsuccesful in installing a program called usb modeswitcher which is designed to un-gray the mobile network option. also tried a program called sakis3G which is supposed to be turnkey. no joy either [02:58] do you know with BB if it uses pppoe or pppoa ? [02:59] amason_: i have no idea how to crate a ppp0 interface or how to execute pppd or wvdial. [02:59] I think it is pppoe [03:00] if you don't want to go to the effort of learning i believe you can use the gnome network manager interface to do it via gui [03:00] this is for android but the procedure should be similar [03:00] http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2009/08/28/tethering-an-android-phone-to-ubuntu-without-jailbreaking-or-installing-applications [03:01] really? the gnome network manager is superior in this regard? I assume i can get that from package manager? [03:02] well it's not a gnome network manager...they all use the same underlying network manager...it's just the interface is more mature as it's been worked on the most [03:02] it will be inthe repos [03:03] the binary is called nm-applet, not sure which package provides that but you can query that [03:04] i will try that. btw, the link you sent is not quite right. Android actually makes it easy with a switch that essentially says 'share internet via usb'. the instructions were basic, straight out of the android manual. unfortunately blackberry does not make this easy choice possible [03:05] yeh i personally have only an android phone and generally tether via wifi [03:05] it just turns it's self into a sort of hot spot [03:06]