[00:00] <goodtime> use a killall comand
[00:00] <Alonea> how do I manually set what version of java the system is supposed to use?
[00:00] <goodtime> im trying to remember
[00:00] <Alonea> bash_profile doesn't seem to work
[00:00] <goodtime> idk good question
[00:01] <Alonea> wait..nm...now its picking it up. said it wasn't installed earlier
[00:02] <Linkmaster> can anyone direct me to the location of a free mud?
[00:10] <Keshl> I can, but you probably woudln't like it <.<
[00:16] <Linkmaster> How come?
[00:16] <Linkmaster> I'd be willing to try it
[00:16] <Keshl> <.< Cuz it involves furries? Lots and lots of furries?
[00:17] <Fritz1793> i was wondering: what is the sudo command to download the python interpretter onto Kubuntu?
[00:18] <Fritz1793> because i can't seem to find it on my computer
[00:18] <Keshl> Fritz1793: This is a complete guess.    sudo apt-get install Python
[00:19] <Keshl> Fritz1793: If that's not it, try   sudo apt-cache search python (Or similar names)
[00:20] <Fritz1793> Keshl: is there a way to limit the number of search results per page?
[00:21] <Keshl> Fritz1793: I have no idea. I'm still new to 'Buntu style distrobutions.
[00:21] <Fritz1793> ok because it seems to have turned up quite a few results
[00:22] <Daskreech> hi Alonea
[00:22] <Keshl> Fritz1793: Yeah, it drives me nuts. Apt-cache seems to show everything with the search term in it, and I don't know how to limit it to only searching package names rather than anmes and descriptions, for example..
[00:22] <Keshl> *names, descriptions..
[00:22] <Alonea> Daskreech: hey!
[00:24] <Fritz1793> Keshl: can you run multiple search terms such as python and interpretter?
[00:24] <Keshl> Fritz1793: To my knowledge, nope.
[00:24] <Keshl> Fritz1793: Wait, maybe.
[00:25] <Keshl> Fritz1793: No, not directly, but if you remove the limit on Konsole's logging, then copy and paste all the text into some editor, you can search from there.
[00:25] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: if you want to limit it you can pipe it into a pager
[00:26] <Daskreech> how are you Alonea?
[00:26] <Fritz1793> Daskreech: a pager?
[00:27] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: yes
[00:27] <Linkmaster> Yeahh, I can see what you meant now :P I'm not a furry fan
[00:27] <Daskreech> Less is the more popular one
[00:27] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: You said you would try it :)
[00:27] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: you want 'sudo apt-get install python' though
[00:27] <Linkmaster> You got me there daskreech :p
[00:28] <Linkmaster> Query: how do you notify the person of a response? I see an orange line across your response, and it gave me a notification
[00:29] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: You just did
[00:29] <Daskreech> Saying my name is enough
[00:29] <Daskreech> !tab
[00:30] <Linkmaster> Oh really? Well, thats useful to learn. Didn't know it did that, haha
[00:30] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: A lot of ubuntu is written with Python so I'd be surprised if it was not installed
[00:30] <Linkmaster> Keshl: go ahead and tell me the location, I said I'd try it
[00:30] <Fritz1793> Daskreech: ok, it said 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 3 not upgraded?
[00:30] <Keshl> Linkmaster: ..Well that was unexpected. <.< -PM's-
[00:31] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: what happens when you type python ?
[00:32] <Fritz1793> ... it also said python is already the newest version...
[00:32] <Fritz1793> i feel dumb now
[00:32] <Fritz1793> thanks
[00:33] <Fritz1793> python brought up the interpretter for me
[00:36] <Fritz1793> I tried checking the installed software and it didn't show up, is it because Ubuntu runs off of it?
[00:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> who here uses rekonq, konquerer, or some other browser?..  and please, don't answer that literally, because then everyone would just say "yes" or "i do" but state which one you use
[00:40] <Linkmaster> I use rekonq
[00:40] <Linkmaster> and FF
[00:41] <Linkmaster> I wanted to use Konquerer, but since Maverick came preinstalled with Rekonq, and I didn't really want to bother with getting rid of it and putting on Konquerer...
[00:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> is rekonq slow to you?
[00:42] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: Which installed software?
[00:42] <Spaz_Dynamic> I'm used to chrome/chromium and its pretty much the fastest i've seen.
[00:43] <Daskreech> I use  Konqueror Rekonq Chromium FF w3m links IE Safari in that order
[00:43] <Fritz1793> Daskreech: Kpackagekit, but nvm I'm really dumb at linux as of yet and after trying to search for it, it showed it
[00:44] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: No it's cool learning is a good process
[00:44] <Daskreech> Get used to it
[00:44] <Daskreech> You pretty much never ever stop once you use linux
[00:44] <Fritz1793> lol i'm trying
[00:46] <Fritz1793> do you know of any good tutorials for Kubuntu/Linux?
[00:47] <Linkmaster> -sarcasm- break the machine, then go to the forum site to learn how to get it resolved
[00:48] <Linkmaster> Spaz_Dynamic: But no, I use Rekonq as my "speed browser" the same as Opera
[00:49] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: depends what are you trying to learn?
[00:49] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmmm, is rekonq lighter than chromium?
[00:49] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: I hope so Chromium is one of the heaviest browsers I've used
[00:50] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: Read the release notes?
[00:50] <Spaz_Dynamic> Daskreech: Really? What about firefox?
[00:50] <Linkmaster> I dislike Chromium. Very much. It has WAY to much bloat to it and @Spaz_Dynamic, I've noticed that Rekonq sometimes is TOO light. It crashes for me when I try to do heavy video surfing through it, hence why I use ff
[00:50] <Daskreech> Chromium takes up more resources
[00:50] <Daskreech> However it is much faster for a lot of things so it doesn't feel like it
[00:50] <Fritz1793> Daskreech: are they on the project's website?
[00:51] <Daskreech> I would guess when FF starts doing per tab process they will be about the same again
[00:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> I think the primary reason it takes more resources is because each tab is its own process
[00:51] <Daskreech> :)
[00:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> But I like that ability because if a tab crashes, you just lose the one and not all of them (which you can then reload on either Fx or Chromium, as far as I know)
[00:52] <arpan> Fritz1793: KDE userbase should help you with Kubuntu GUI learning
[00:52] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: Erm there is a kinda one on the website http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour
[00:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> but on Fx, reloading every tab when you had 25 vs reloading the one tab... lol
[00:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> I tend to have a problem with tabs... I like to collect them or something.
[00:53] <arpan> Fritz1793: http://userbase.kde.org/Applications/en
[00:53] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: You should like FF4 then it's much better at tab management than anything I've seen
[00:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> Daskreech: Yeah, I've seen it. It is interesting, and probably good in practice, but off the bat, it was not overly intuitive for me and just got in my way.
[00:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> But that was also only browsing for about 20 minutes to an hour
[00:55] <Fritz1793> arpan: would there be one more general for Linux and Unix-like Operating systems?
[00:55] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: :) again highly depends on what you want to learn
[00:55] <Daskreech> Linux is remarkably to the point of ridiculously flexible
[00:56] <Daskreech> Frustratinginly so in fact
[00:56] <Fritz1793> lol like sudo commands and other terminal based things
[00:56] <Daskreech> !commands
[00:57] <Linkmaster> Linux is flexible to the point of being rigid actually :0
[00:57] <Fritz1793> there's a bot for that? :D
[00:57] <Keshl> People in #ubuntu I recommended I download an older version of Kubuntu, then do a distrobution upgrade. I can't find the older versions, can anyone link me?
[00:58] <Daskreech> Fritz1793: Apple has apps we have bots what can I say?
[00:58] <Daskreech> Keshl: cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[00:58] <Fritz1793> lol
[00:58] <Keshl> Thanks, owo.
[00:58] <Daskreech> Keshl: What was your problem?
[00:58] <Daskreech> (since I doubt that's the right solution)
[00:58] <Keshl> Wubi version mis-match due to downloading daily ISO builds.
[00:59] <Daskreech> Keshl: What are you running?
[00:59] <Keshl> We tried for a long time to fix it, this is the best way we can think of to proceed.
[00:59] <Daskreech> natty?
[00:59] <Keshl> Windows.
[00:59] <Daskreech> lol
[00:59] <Daskreech> which daily did you pull?
[00:59] <Linkmaster> -shudders-
[00:59] <Daskreech> from the current beta?
[01:00] <Keshl> No, current 10.10.
[01:00] <Keshl> It got version 10.10.2, but expected 10.10.1, and died there.
[01:00] <Daskreech> Keshl: Where did you get a daily for that?
[01:00] <Keshl> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/
[01:00] <Daskreech> that's 10.04
[01:00] <Keshl> The installer pulls from there automatically, not me. We only recently got an idea to force it to use an even older version.
[01:01] <Daskreech> Keshl: do you have it up now?
[01:01] <Daskreech> can you open a terminal and type lsb_release -a
[01:01] <Keshl> I'm on *windows*
[01:02] <Daskreech> I know I'm not assuming this is the only computer you have
[01:02] <Keshl> Wubi, is a windows program, that installs a Buntu-styule distro, into a file on an NTFS partition.
[01:02] <Daskreech> Yes but you can do that from in the installer as well
[01:02] <Daskreech> ok
[01:02] <Daskreech> hmm
[01:02] <Keshl> No you can't. <.<
[01:02]  * Daskreech hasn't used windows in a good long time. Please forgive me
[01:02] <Keshl> Anyway, the link you gave me wo't work.
[01:03] <Keshl> I need a live Cd image, not live DvD or alternate installer.
[01:03] <Keshl> *won't
[01:03] <Daskreech> Keshl: try releases.ubuntu.com
[01:03] <Keshl> I also require Kubuntu. <.<
[01:04] <Keshl> ..Oh.
[01:04] <Keshl> Tuny text. XD
[01:04] <Keshl> *Tiny
[01:04] <Spaz_Dynamic> i'm currently running Konversation for this IRC chat, how can I change the timestamps? I would like to have it also display seconds
[01:04] <Daskreech> Keshl: yes Ubuntu is quite proud of it's bluehaired stepchild
[01:04] <Daskreech> Keshl: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[01:06] <Eiriksvin> can somone help me, i need to be able to do this offline, but it requires an online download: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652910&highlight=wpn111
[01:14] <arpan> Fritz1793: you may find this one useful - http://www.tuxarena.com/static/intro_linux_cli.php
[01:18] <Fritz1793> arpan: thank you soo much!
[01:18] <Fritz1793> ciao!
[01:18] <Daskreech> Ok fine don't wait for an answer ;(
[01:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> hrm, is rekonq why flash videos (e.g. youtube) aren't loading/doing anything, or is it cause I haven't done something necessary for kubuntu?
[01:26] <Linkmaster> You might not have installed a flash player yet
[01:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> That certainly might be it lol, I'll get right on that.
[01:26] <Linkmaster> Though I don't know about yours, but my Rekonq likes to die when I watch flash vidoes
[01:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmm, do you know why?
[01:26] <Linkmaster> Either use adobe flash, or the GNU version called gnash
[01:27] <Linkmaster> Not really. It could be that Rekonq really is a light browser
[01:27] <Daskreech> !flash
[01:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah. which do you use, gnash or adobe's?
[01:27] <Daskreech> I don't have flash installed so..
[01:28] <Linkmaster> I've both at one point or another. I like gnash since its linux native, and I like putting only linux-native stuff on my box. Makes me feel more free
[01:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> haha
[01:29] <Linkmaster> I refuse to put wine on my computer. I have a tiny windows partition for my windows needs. Otherwise, I use all opensource stuff
[01:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> this is possibly a bit of a strange question... is there a such thing as a 64bit flash player? whether it's gnash or adobe?
[01:29] <Linkmaster> most likely, allow me to look
[01:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> I just recently discovered that my computer that I've had for several years is 64 bit capable
[01:29] <Linkmaster> That, or it works for either/or
[01:29] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: open rekonq and there should be a notification asking for installation of extra packages. Flash should be installed by doing so.
[01:30] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: however it will install adobe flash and not gnash
[01:30] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: it did that the first time I opened it, I said yes, and videos don't load.
[01:30] <Linkmaster> What error message is coming up?
[01:30] <Spaz_Dynamic> no error, they just don't load.
[01:30] <Linkmaster> Huhh...
[01:30] <Linkmaster> Have you installed FF yet?
[01:30] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: did you restart the rekonq after that?
[01:30] <Linkmaster> And I'm assuming this is a fresh installation, correct?
[01:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> I don't think it actually installed flash, I think it installed other things
[01:31] <Linkmaster> Hm ^ That is interesting
[01:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> fresh installation, yes, computer (and therefor browser too, obviously) have been restarted several times since then, so yes
[01:32] <Linkmaster> Hm, restarting the computer shouldn't be needed to much, unless you upgrade things such as the kernel image :/
[01:33] <Linkmaster> But, we can try a couple things. Either attempt to reinstall flash through Konsole, remove flash and put gnash on
[01:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> I think the kernel was upgrades once, yeah, and I restarted cause I was messing with my graphics adapter a lot, and a couple times the screen went blank and so I just logged into tty2 and restarted cause I was lazy xD
[01:33] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you can install flashplugin-installer through konsole
[01:33] <arpan> that should fix it for you
[01:33] <Linkmaster> That works well
[01:33] <Linkmaster> ^Lets hope that way works
[01:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> according to kpackagekit, I have adobe flash plugin installed
[01:34] <Linkmaster> Huh. Attemp it with Konsole: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[01:35] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: what does "aptitude show flashplugin-installer" says?
[01:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> should I uninstall it first, or should I just do it now?
[01:35] <Linkmaster> You can try "reinstall" rather then install
[01:35] <Linkmaster> But, see what the aptitude command shows
[01:36] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: what's a tiny windows partions?
[01:36] <Linkmaster> Means I have less then 30gigs partitioned towards it
[01:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> The program 'aptitude' can be found in the following packages: *lists two packages*
[01:37] <Linkmaster> Ah, you don't have it downloaded
[01:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> Guess I need to install it first then?
[01:37] <Linkmaster> If you want, I don't use aptitude, so I have no input for it
[01:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, arpan, you're the one who suggested the command, should I install it just for this purpose?
[01:38] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Wow that is Tiny. How do you get away with that? pretty clean WindowsXP install?
[01:38] <Daskreech> I think that Windows 7 took that much with one app installed
[01:38] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you can try apt-cache show flashplugin-installer
[01:38] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: no just use apt-get
[01:38] <Linkmaster> No, XP takes only 5 gigs to install onto. But I just tell it to do that, and forget about it
[01:39] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: yeah XP is way smaller than Windows 7
[01:39] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: not to mention its better in most ways
[01:39] <Daskreech>  though I remember it taking nearly a Gig installed when it came out and I was shocked
[01:39] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Except any way that counts :)
[01:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> my windows 7 takes like 11 gigs, I think, and thats after I installed a couple things like a different browser, antivirus, and graphics drivers
[01:39] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: valid point, but if one knows what they are doing, then XP can do everything 7 can and more
[01:40] <Linkmaster> I sometimes don't bother with AV. Its easier to run rkill and put MBAUM on it every week or so then to deal with stuff such as AVG/etc.
[01:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> and am I doing apt-cache or apt-get for "show flashplugin-installer"
[01:41] <Linkmaster> Spaz_Dynamic: use "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[01:42] <Spaz_Dynamic> reinstall ?
[01:42] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Oh certainly
[01:42] <Linkmaster> try that if the install doesn't work
[01:42] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: apt-cache will display info on the package while apt-get can be used for re/installing package
[01:42] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: its almost easier though, haha
[01:43] <Linkmaster> query to someone...what does IRC stand for? I sort of stupidly forgot
[01:43] <Daskreech> in any case lets help Spaz_Dynamic be able to stream britney spears (statistically speaking)
[01:43] <Daskreech> Internet Relay Channel
[01:43] <Linkmaster> Oh dear, and thanks. I thought it was something like that
[01:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> uh, apt-get didn't know what "reinstall" was for the command "sudo apt-get reinstall flashplugin-installer "
[01:44] <Linkmaster> I must've told you wrong then :l -feels dumb- I usually uninstall then install
[01:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> and nah, it'd be more like metal covers of britney spears
[01:44] <Daskreech> should be in the Help file for whatever GUI Client you are using
[01:44] <arpan> Linkmaster: Internet Relay Chat
[01:44] <Daskreech> Chat
[01:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> there is a really awesome cover of toxic, lemme find it for you since you brought it up =P
[01:44] <Daskreech> bleah
[01:44] <Linkmaster> Chat..channel...same thing I guess
[01:45] <Daskreech> Maybe if you are using Telepathy
[01:45] <Linkmaster> I'm using Quassel, haha
[01:45] <Daskreech> (I just realised how wrong that sounds when you are not in tech circles)
[01:45] <Linkmaster> xD!
[01:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> and. uh, hold the phone...
[01:45] <Linkmaster> Sorry, back to Spaz_Dynamic!
[01:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xwXOj55nIY
[01:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> btw, youtube works... o.o
[01:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> I'm rather confused now
[01:46] <Linkmaster> Well, problem solved
[01:46] <Linkmaster> Welcome to Linux. It solves itself, the OS is so damn smart :P
[01:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> imbedded flash doesn't seem to be working then.
[01:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> regular is
[01:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> or.. no, that's working too
[01:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> Huh
[01:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> this is why I like linux
[01:47] <Linkmaster> Yep, same here. I gave up on Windows LONG ago..unless I have to use something that requires Windows[especially about my anti-nonefreeware thing using my linux partition]
[01:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> lsjenios
[01:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> finally, ok
[01:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> it just freaked out and I couldn't type here
[01:49] <Spaz_Dynamic> but thats why I like linux. It likes to tease you.
[01:49] <Linkmaster> Yep. Its so damn smart
[01:50] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: I'm going to guess you installed the plugin and didn't restart the browser
[01:50] <Daskreech> FF is the only one I've seen smart enough to do that
[01:50] <Daskreech>  Though    Chromium in theory should have an easier time of doing that
[01:51] <Daskreech> actuallly no it doesn't
[01:51] <Daskreech> hmm
[01:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> Daskreech: uh, actually, I hadn't closed the browser from the time it wasn't loading to the time it started loading them.
[01:51] <Linkmaster> Wait, what?
[01:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah.
[01:51] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: Rekonq?
[01:51] <Linkmaster> chromium..smart? What planet are you on
[01:51] <Linkmaster> *
[01:51] <Linkmaster> **?
[01:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> Daskreech: Yes
[01:52] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: no clue :) almost sure that Rekonq isn't nearly that sophisticated yet
[01:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah lol
[01:52]  * Daskreech sezs I who has not looked at the code
[01:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> and as for chrome/ium
[01:53] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: its not, but its still awesome in my opinion
[01:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> if you install/uninstall a plugin, it gets activated almost immediately
[01:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> such as adblockplus
[01:53] <Daskreech> Well it shared that with Konqueror so I can see why that would be useful
[01:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> or disabling quciktime (did that on windows)
[01:53] <Daskreech> it considers it external
[01:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> though with adblockplus, you have to refresh the page for the ads to be blocked, obviously.
[01:54] <Linkmaster> Huh
[01:54] <arpan> trying arora.. no luck with youtube so far
[01:55] <arpan> arora looks simple and light but missing kde integration
[01:56] <Linkmaster> Thats saddening
[01:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> ...oh
[01:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> I just figured out what happend with the flash earlier
[01:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> if I switch tabs (or load a link with a video in a new tab) when I look at the tab with the video, all of the interface is hidden.
[01:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> unless the video has started
[01:59] <Linkmaster> That...is interesting
[01:59] <arpan> yeah i experienced that with rekonq sometimes
[02:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah, and it isn't doing it now. It was just a couple minutes ago
[02:00] <arpan> FF is best for flash related stuff, at least for me
[02:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmm, it seems its mainly the loading in a new tab (default action for middle click)
[02:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> where it doesn't switch to it immideately
[02:01] <Linkmaster> arpan: I concur with that
[02:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> dunno if thats changable, probably is
[02:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> and what is FF
[02:01] <Linkmaster> Firefox
[02:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> Oh... lol, properly Fx
[02:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> >.>
[02:03] <arpan> Linkmaster: i wish a qt/kde browser could do the same. i love my system to be free of non-kde stuff.
[02:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Early_Versions
[02:03] <Linkmaster> arpan: you as well???
[02:04] <Linkmaster> arpan: I use like, very few things that aren't KDE related
[02:05] <arpan> Linkmaster: yeah, only LO, smplayer, vlc, choqok are non-kde for me
[02:05] <arpan> of course, FF too!!
[02:06] <Linkmaster> arpan: I purged vlc - using kaffiene
[02:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: Gah!
[02:06] <Linkmaster> What?
[02:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> Fx, not FF
[02:06] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: Fx for ya.. lol
[02:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> >.>
[02:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol
[02:06] <Linkmaster> Its called FF. Deal with it =P
[02:07] <Spaz_Dynamic> Linkmaster: Nuh uh, not according to Mozilla.
[02:07] <arpan> I like kaffiene but having issues with nvidia drivers so currently using smplayer
[02:07] <arpan> it's light and well tested
[02:07] <Linkmaster> Makes sense, and I don't care what Mozilla says
[02:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> *gasp* You don't care what the creators say?
[02:08] <Linkmaster> Nope :P
[02:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> Well aren't you the rebellious one. xD
[02:08] <mase_wk> Linkmaster: vlc is qt, although not KDE only it's pretty close :)
[02:08] <arpan> now using noveu drivers so will try kaffeine
[02:09] <Linkmaster> True, true, and I am! :D
[02:09] <arpan> Quassel is qt too
[02:09] <Linkmaster> Kaffeine is nice, different but similar to dragonplayer. Just make sure to download the codecs for it
[02:10] <Linkmaster> And I know Quassel isn't KDE exactly, but its extremely close
[02:10] <arpan> Linkmaster: installing kaffeine, now!
[02:10] <Linkmaster> Yippie!
[02:11] <Linkmaster> You have the codecs, right? for stuff like .mpeg, etc
[02:11] <arpan> ah! that will bring in xine backend
[02:11] <arpan> Linkmaster: yep
[02:11] <Linkmaster> arpan: do you know the actual KDE IRC client though?
[02:11] <Linkmaster> Is xine bad?
[02:11] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: I suppose someone will point out that choqok is KDE at some point
[02:11] <arpan> Linkmaster: Konversation
[02:11] <Linkmaster> Ah. Go figure xP and what is choqok..this is new to me
[02:12] <Linkmaster> I might as well get it real fast, does it work well?
[02:12] <arpan> Linkmaster: I'm not sure if xine is bad but that will be too many backend on my system, gstreamer(default in natty), mplayer, xine
[02:12] <Linkmaster> ah, very true
[02:12] <arpan> Linkmaster: choqok is twitter/identi.ca client
[02:13] <Linkmaster> If possible arpan, use dragonplayer then. Its kinda bulky, but it works
[02:13] <Linkmaster> I don't use twitter though
[02:14] <arpan> Linkmaster: you don't need to tweet but you can surely get updates by following people/project on twitter
[02:14] <Linkmaster> that makes sense.  though its borderline creeper at that point xD
[02:17] <arpan> Linkmaster: i find quasel better than koversation.
[02:17] <Linkmaster> arpan:  well....it is Qt based. Which is arguably more KDE then anything else
[02:18] <arpan> Linkmaster: imo, quassel is by far easiest and user friendly client out there
[02:19] <Linkmaster> arpan: I'll take your word on that one
[02:19] <arpan> :)
[02:20] <Linkmaster> Too lazy to try out other stuff, haha
[02:20] <arpan> Linkmaster: i think kaffiene could use some GUI redesign love.
[02:21] <Linkmaster> Oh it could. Its hideous, but it does the trick very well
[02:21] <arpan> Linkmaster: if the best comes readily available why to bother for other, and that's what makes me lazy, haha
[02:22] <Linkmaster> Exactly!
[02:22] <Linkmaster> Unless your a developer, and then you try anything and everything to see how to make yours better, or to keep it the best
[02:22] <Linkmaster> Gah, I'm going to need to do something very depressing
[02:23] <arpan> ??
[02:23] <Linkmaster> Switch over to my Windows partition D'
[02:23] <Linkmaster> *D':
[02:23] <arpan> :D
[02:23] <Linkmaster> NO, thats bad!
[02:23] <Linkmaster> I hate windows now
[02:24] <arpan> me 2
[02:24] <arpan> i used to be a win developer couple of years back!!
[02:24] <Linkmaster> I'd much rather use Linux. But the mic doesn't work on my linux for some reason
[02:24] <Linkmaster> Really? Perhaps you know some useful things
[02:25] <arpan> Linkmaster: i m lucky that most of my hardware work out of the box on linux
[02:25] <Linkmaster> True. All but my wireless did, and it works half the time without drivers, haha
[02:26] <arpan> that's wierd.. interesting to know that!!
[02:26] <Linkmaster> ^Meaning half of the installs worked without drivers
[02:27] <arpan> okeydokey.. gotta go
[02:27] <Linkmaster> Aha, alrighty. See you round!
[02:27] <arpan> Linkmaster: nice talking to you!! see ya!!!!
[02:27] <Linkmaster> arpan: you too dude!
[02:32] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: what kind of mic?
[02:33] <Linkmaster> Its an internal mic
[02:33] <Linkmaster> Not sure really. I posted on the kubuntuforums site about it, and have had some help for it
[02:33] <Daskreech> does it turn up in lshw -C audio ?
[02:33] <Linkmaster> Let me see
[02:36] <Linkmaster> Nothing came up :l
[02:36] <Linkmaster> But I can't resolve it at the moment, I need to make a call. Thus said, I need to go to windows D'x
[02:37] <Linkmaster> Talk to you at a later point, we can see if we can resolve it then
[02:44] <jon5000> hello?
[02:46] <jon5000> I need to set up kubuntu 10.10 (new install) to access the DUN service on my blackberry.  been stymied after several different approaches found on the web.  anyone help?
[02:52] <amason_> jon5000: what is a DUN service ?
[02:53] <jon5000> amason_: thank you for replying.  sorry to be cryptic.  DUN stands for Dial Up Networking.  I want to use my blackberry's 3G internet connection on my kubuntu laptop
[02:54] <amason_> do you tether by USB or Bluetooth ?
[02:55] <jon5000> amason_: either via bluetooth or usb.  preferaly bluetooth.  I cant seem to get anywhere.  when i make the bluetooth connection the only service available is file transfer.  When i connect the device by usb, the "mobile network" option in network manager is grayed out, as always.
[02:57] <jon5000> amason_: I know that the bb device is capable, because I have shared the DUN internet connection to a jailbroken ipad with software designed to accomplish this.  can also tether via windows.
[02:57] <amason_> jon5000: i beleive there have been some enhancements to the plasma network manager interface in the development version of kde to help in this scenario but i believe you may have to set it up manually if until such time as it's released
[02:58] <amason_> i haven't actually done this my self so i can't give you specifics, but you should be able to create a ppp0 interface
[02:58] <amason_> and use network manager to execute pppd or wvdial
[02:58] <amason_> to handle the authentication
[02:58] <jon5000> amason_: that's where i am lost (manually).  I have tried but was unsuccesful in installing a program called usb modeswitcher which is designed to un-gray the mobile network option.  also tried a program called sakis3G which is supposed to be turnkey.  no joy either
[02:58] <amason_> do you know with BB if it uses pppoe or pppoa ?
[02:59] <jon5000> amason_: i have no idea how to crate a ppp0 interface or how to execute pppd or wvdial.
[02:59] <jon5000> I think it is pppoe
[03:00] <amason_> if you don't want to go to the effort of learning i believe you can use the gnome network manager interface to do it via gui
[03:00] <amason_> this is for android but the procedure should be similar
[03:00] <amason_> http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2009/08/28/tethering-an-android-phone-to-ubuntu-without-jailbreaking-or-installing-applications
[03:01] <jon5000> really?  the gnome network manager is superior in this regard?  I assume i can get that from package manager?
[03:02] <amason_> well it's not a gnome network manager...they all use the same underlying network manager...it's just the interface is more mature as it's been worked on the most
[03:02] <amason_> it will be inthe repos
[03:03] <amason_> the binary is called nm-applet, not sure which package provides that but you can query that
[03:04] <jon5000> i will try that.  btw, the link you sent is not quite right.  Android actually makes it easy with a switch that essentially says 'share internet via usb'.  the instructions were basic, straight out of the android manual.  unfortunately blackberry does not make this easy choice possible
[03:05] <amason_> yeh i personally have only an android phone and generally tether via wifi
[03:05] <amason_> it just turns it's self into a sort of hot spot
[03:06] <amason_> and i just use the usb to keep it charged
[03:06] <amason_> otherwise it only lasts for an hour or so :)
[03:06] <jon5000> that is a beautiful thing.  i had an iphone for a while which i jailbroke and was able to do the same.  searched hi and lo and havent found a way to turn blackberry into a hotspot.  these are the end-days for RIM.
[03:08] <amason_> does this help at all ? http://www.happyassassin.net/blackberry-tethering-and-more-on-linux/
[03:08] <amason_> looks like barry is in the apt repo's for natty
[03:08] <jon5000> i am chomping at the bit to use apt to get the gnome gui network interface but have to wait... downloading 357 packages now.  all updates since my install a few days ago.  I am sitting at subway using their wifi hence the need for tethering!!
[03:08] <amason_> and it appears to have some sort of GUI
[03:09] <jon5000> i have heard of barry.  when i last tried it, twas highly complicated and not gui at all.  i will pursue that route as well.
[03:10] <amason_> it's pretty difficult when it's a highly proprietary platform and the vendor doesn't support your platform
[03:10] <amason_> but good luck
[03:11] <jon5000> wait, what is the apt repo for 'natty'
[03:12] <amason_> well it's the same url, just with natty instead of maverick but i wouldn't advise mixing the two
[03:13] <amason_> you may need to wait until natty is released if you don't have barry in the maverick repos
[03:15] <amason_> jon5000: it may also pay to email / contact your provider and let them know that you had a really hard time with your blackberry tethering under linux
[03:16] <amason_> and that it's important for you to be able to have the same level of support you receive under windows /osx under linux. Otherwise they won't ever know that it's a problem
[03:17] <amason_> if enough customers make them aware they will communicate it to bb hopefully
[03:19] <jon5000> thats a sensitive one i think... generally i think the providers want to charge for 'tethering' service but havent figured out how to seal it up fully so that savvy users are prevneted at the toll gate.  interestingly, part of why RIM's playbook lauch was such an utter failure was that the key feature of the device was tethering.  AT&T didnt like it and basically blocked download of the app called "bridge", the central modus
[03:19] <jon5000> operandi of the playbook design. in other words, playbook was rendered uselss not just in accessing the net, but sharing the bb's  PIM system (mail, contacts,etc.)  unmitigated disaster.
[03:20] <amason_> i see, well yeh i guess that makes it hard.
[03:20] <jon5000> one would think they would straighten that out ahead of launch with one of their primary distributors!!!
[03:20] <amason_> i assume this phone has been in some way forced on to you
[03:20] <amason_> because it doesn't sound like a pleasant experience
[03:20] <jon5000> yep.  I would certainly be android or iphone otherwise.
[03:21] <jon5000> Strongly beleive this is the watershed moment marking the inevitable demise of blackberry as a major player.  it will be a relic, like Symbian (nokia)
[03:26] <amason_> jon5000: i've never seen / played with a BB so i can't really say. They aren't quite as popular in australia as the states
[03:26] <amason_> that isn't to say people don't have them...i see them advertised every now an then
[03:26] <amason_> i just don't know anyone who has one
[03:26] <amason_> but pretty much most of my friends have a nokia still .
[03:27] <jon5000> ah.  youre down under.  that's interesting. they are big here but not for long.
[03:27] <amason_> most of the female contingent have either a nokia or an iphone. most of the guys have some sort of android phone
[03:27] <jon5000> g'day mate
[03:27] <amason_> yup
[03:27] <amason_> i have a craptastic HTC magic
[03:27] <jon5000> interesting the gender thing.  i get that.
[03:28] <amason_> the guys all previously _had_ an iphone...or most of them
[03:28] <amason_> and now have an android phone
[03:29] <amason_> not sure what prompted them to change i try not to get into phone conversations with people i know
[03:29] <amason_> since i tend to complain about how unfree they all are.
[03:29] <amason_> speakign of, i wonder how the replicant project is coming along
[03:31] <jon5000> whats the replicant thing?
[03:31] <amason_> http://replicant.us/
[03:31] <amason_> basically a free version of android
[03:32] <amason_> because although android is no cost and mostly open source, there are portions of it that are non free
[03:32] <amason_> i think the dialer is one part which is pretty important that is non free
[03:33] <amason_> although i could be wrong about htat
[03:36] <jon5000>  i think google is going to be rethinking the 'open' source idea re: android.  apple controls the whole experience from top to bottom and as a result can control quality and user experience (except the jailbraking bit...).  Android being free invites all sorts of craptastic, ill coceived harware software implementations which sully the android 'brand' to the extent such exists.  my guess is it wont be as open down the road.
[03:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> How is the workspace thing acomplished? is it by simply relocating the windows, or is it literally drawing a much larger desktop space and translating the view around?
[03:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> Cause right now, my kubuntu64 installation is preforming slower than my WinXP32 was.... And that's not something I like having to admit.
[03:48] <amason_> Spaz_Dynamic: the latter
[03:49] <amason_> Spaz_Dynamic: i think because of the way X works it's forced to do that currently...although afaik it's always done that
[03:49] <Spaz_Dynamic> huh.. ok, so having a double sized desktop could be a legitamate reason for preforming slower
[03:49] <amason_> and it's had virtual desktops before XP existed so it's unlikely that's causing your slow down
[03:49] <amason_> no not really
[03:50] <Spaz_Dynamic> My graphics adapter calculating twice the area isn't likely the reason?
[03:50] <amason_> not really
[03:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> Keep in mind I have a dual monitor set up, using proprietary drivers, and the desktop is stretched, not cloned on the second monitor
[03:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> so total res is 1280x2048
[03:51] <amason_> yeh i have that too, well not the proprietary drivers
[03:51] <amason_> but i have a much larger resolution
[03:52] <amason_> not to gloat
[03:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> You might also have a more powerful GPU
[03:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> and I know mine isn't very large by modern standards
[03:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> and your open drivesr might be more efficient than my proprietary
[03:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> wich is one of the things I'm probably going to check into soonish
[03:52] <amason_> possibly the former, the latter is unlikely
[03:53] <amason_> unfortunately the proprietary drivers are generally much more optimised
[03:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> Hmm... even for ATI? I heard they have poorer support
[03:53] <amason_> yes even for ATI, although the open ones are catching up.
[03:54] <amason_> and they have some advantages
[03:54] <amason_> KMS support etc..
[03:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> I don't know what KMS is
[03:54] <amason_> kernel mode setting..it's allows seamless flicker free mode setting
[03:54] <amason_> amongst other things
[03:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah
[03:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> What GPU do you have?
[03:55] <amason_> i have a GeForce 7600 GT
[03:55] <amason_> using the Nouveau drivers
[03:56] <amason_> which only just recently allowed me to have 2 monitors :)
[03:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> Mine is an ATI Radeon HD 3650. I don't know which of those two is stronger because I lack any sort of familarity with nVidia cards
[03:56] <amason_> yeh i dunno either, this is just one i got with the box at work
[03:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah
[03:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> onboard ram size? At least that can be compared xD
[03:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> mine is 512Meg I believe
[03:57] <amason_> i have NFI
[03:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> haha
[03:58] <amason_> this desktop is about 6 years old
[03:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> isn't there a command you could run that would tell you?
[03:58] <amason_> probably
[03:58] <amason_> but i don't know it
[03:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> as is mine, but my graphics is only a year or two old
[03:59] <amason_> anyway this isn't helping you solve your problem. can you describe your 'slowness'
[03:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> and I think one of the commands told to me in here earlier today said what my video ram was xD
[03:59] <amason_> and also are you certain your CPU isn't being pegged
[03:59] <amason_> and that you're not swapping ?
[03:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, resizing a window will reduce my framerate to about 10
[03:59] <amason_> yeh i have that too
[04:00] <amason_> resizing is slow as all hell
[04:00] <amason_> less so on my intel laptop though
[04:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> i certainly better not be using swap with 3 Gb ram and just a couple programs running
[04:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> >.>
[04:00] <amason_> so i'm guessing it's a combination of Kwin not being optimised and drivers sucking
[04:00] <amason_> actually
[04:00] <amason_> maybe it's not kwin thinking about it
[04:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> moving windows is perfectly fine
[04:01] <amason_> i'd say it's probably a qt thing...possibly even an application paiting thing
[04:01] <amason_> yeh moving is fine for me too, which is why i don't think it's kwin
[04:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> when the mouse transitions between screens, I also notice a temporary and slight drop in FPS
[04:01] <amason_> that is going to occur always because your repainting
[04:02] <amason_> any repaints are going to cause a slight drop
[04:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> true, never noticed it before cause there wasn't a FPS counter in XP
[04:02] <amason_> fps isn't really a very god measure though
[04:02] <amason_> not for a desktop :)
[04:02] <amason_> perhaps a game
[04:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, minecraft is running notably slower as well
[04:03] <amason_> that's most likely related to video card drivers or mesa
[04:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> blackmesa? What are they doing to my computer?
[04:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> =P
[04:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> anyway, what is mesa?
[04:03] <amason_> it's like the 3d open gl stack
[04:03] <amason_> or something like that
[04:03] <amason_> i don't really know...it just does 3d stuff :)
[04:04] <amason_> http://www.mesa3d.org/
[04:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah
[04:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> but yes, standing still, minecraft seems to be getting only 26 fps
[04:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> and I got more than twice that before, if not several times more
[04:11] <dag729> hi guys, I've installed kubuntu 10.10 right now and I found that neither dragon player nor minitube play videos, yet vlc anc flash player (through rekonq) can play videos: any help?
[04:14] <Spaz_Dynamic> as for me, I have no idea. I just installed 10.10 myself, and its working for me. Also, I think you just got me started watcing a movie. xD
[04:18] <Linkmaster> Hey, I'm back
[04:22] <c2tarun> dag729: you can install proper plugins for dragon player.
[04:23] <c2tarun> dag729: did you update your system yet?
[04:23] <dag729> c2tarun: yes, I updated it already
[04:24] <dag729> I even tried to install kubuntu-restricted-extras and xine-all
[04:24] <c2tarun> ok, then look at bottom right of the screen are you seeing any globe icon, suggesting to install certain pacakges?
[04:25] <dag729> nope
[04:38] <dag729> see you later alligators
[04:42]  * Daskreech yawns
[04:48] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: hey
[04:48] <Daskreech> Hi
[04:48] <Linkmaster> Sorry about my leaving like that
[04:50] <Linkmaster> how do you do those reaction things?
[04:54] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Which ones?
[04:55] <Linkmaster> Well like, any of them. You yawned, etc.
[04:55] <Daskreech> oh
[04:55] <Daskreech>  try /me
[04:55]  * Daskreech waves. Off for a bit
[04:56]  * Linkmaster waves?
[04:56] <Linkmaster> Ah! Thank you
[05:01] <Linkmaster> night
[05:33] <kkerwin> Howdy. I'm looking for some help mounting a Samba share as read-write. Currently, I am only able to mount it as read-only. While logged into the Samba server, I am able to mount the share read-write. But on a remote client, I am able to mount as read-only.
[05:52] <eee_> #ubuntu
[07:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> why is kwin and Xorg using on average 16 adn 30% of my processor constantly? is KDE just that heavy?
[07:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> and*
[07:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> and that is respectively
[07:48] <jussi> Spaz_Dynamic: kwin 7% and xorg 2% here - but I do have a good processor
[07:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> define "good processor"
[07:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol
[07:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> o.o
[07:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> that doesn't make sense
[07:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> i'm sitting here, turning things off one at a time
[07:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> and nothing is making a dent in preformance
[07:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> I then give up and just hit restore defaults
[07:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> kwin drops to 2% and Xorg is jumping around anywhere from 1 to 9% spending most at 6 and 8
[07:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> linux confuses the crap out of me sometimes.
[07:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> .-.
[08:13] <gabriel_> What chess games have the best eyecandy?
[08:19] <gabriel_> Firefox flash player 10 keeps giving an error intermittently which states that something went wrong and my computer could become instable.
[08:20] <gabriel_> Then videos crash to a white blank box with no controls or anything.
[08:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> ok, so, I went to go look at screen savers, doing so messed up my monitor settings. What is a shortcut to launch terminal as I can't access the menu because it's way off screen presently
[08:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmm, well, that worked... just right clicking on the visible desktop and then clicking run and typing konsole
[08:32] <gabriel_> ctrl-alt-F1 will give you a full screen terminal thing
[08:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> thats changing to tty1, not pulling up a terminal on the current one
[08:33] <gabriel_> click the toolbox on the top right tcorner to get your panels back maybe?
[08:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> panels weren't gone, but its a moot point since I was able to (in this instance) right click on the desktop to launch a run prompt to launch konsole
[08:35] <gabriel_> oh, I wonder what happened...
[08:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> can the configuration for my graphics adapter, and reset things to where they were supposed to be
[08:36] <gabriel_> why would a screen saver change the config?
[08:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> my desktop is set to be a multi-display with one monitor on left, and on on the right
[08:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> what happened, and I assume because loading the system settings window thing loaded those settings on top of the driver settings or something, was that the monitors were apparently several hundred pixels away from each other, and at a diagonal as well
[08:37] <gabriel_> okay, so is mine. What's your card? Nvidia? I have N260GTX
[08:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> thusly making it hard to figure out where my mouse was going and how to get it to the other monitor
[08:41] <gabriel_> Mine won't play videos in full screen with Firefox. it just puts a big black border around everything.
[08:43] <gabriel_> I can run my simulator at 100+ FPS in Ubuntu though. M$windows can only do it at 60FPS.
[08:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> kde reports that I'm getting 100 fps
[08:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> which is total bunk as my monitors refresh rate is only 60Hz
[08:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> anyway, almost 4 am and such
[08:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> night all
[08:47] <gabriel_> Humm, I wonder what refresh rates this tv is capable of...
[08:59] <HideK_> hi ! is it possible to hide the K Menu and replace it by a "Deconnection button" ?
[09:38] <Starminn> Where is Kubuntu 11.04 support?
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> !natty
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> Starminn:  ^^
[09:47] <Starminn> well_laid_lawn: Alright. I was just checking if there was a KDE-specific support channel .*shrug* Anyway, thanks.
[10:36]  * well_laid_lawn is still known as well_laid_lawn
[10:53]  * Keshl claps for well_laid_lawn.
[10:57] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[11:15] <ua> hello  evybody
[11:16] <ua2> need help please
[11:16] <ua2> i could not upgrade
[11:16] <ua2> can you help me?
[11:18] <BATi> ua2: maybe, what goes wrong?
hi, it seems working now, i 'll you you if it's correctly upgraded, thank you
[11:21] <BATi> ua2: np...
[11:27] <ua2> BATi>something is strange , there're somme errors when i update =http://paste.ubuntu.com/599714/
[11:28] <ua2> what does that means?
[11:28] <ua2> what it means?
[11:29] <BlouBlou> it means you're using debian repos instead of ubuntu ones
[11:30] <BATi> ua2: what BlouBlou said, plus you are using old release of debian...
[11:33] <ua2> BATi>no, because i've upgraded it
[11:33] <ua2> right now
[11:37] <BATi> ua2: anyway, you are using debian repos in your apt sources lists... thats where the errors come from
[11:44] <ua2> BATi>ok, thank you what should i use?
[11:46] <ua2> i am using ubuntu server with kde environnement desktop
[11:46] <BATi> ua2: well just comment out lines referring to debian repos (lenny, squeeze, debian-security..)
[11:47] <ua2> BATi>you mean and that's all, do you?
[11:48] <BATi> ua2: relevant files are /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ...
[11:48] <BATi> ua2: no, after that you should run "apt-get update"
[11:49] <ua2> yes, but i should just coment out lines referring to debian repos (lenny, squeeze, debian-security..) without changing anything???
[11:50] <ua2> tell me?
[11:52] <ua2> oh, sorry BATi, i didn't read last line you've writen
[11:53] <ua2> ok, thank you very mutch, i've to go lunch, i'll let you
[11:53] <ua2> know
[11:54] <BATi> ua2: ok, np...
[11:54] <s0phie_> hi guys, haven't been on in a while
[11:55] <s0phie_> need help getting  Firefox 4 to work ;o
[12:08] <Linkmaster> How long have you guys been using Kubuntu for, and what was your first distro?
[12:10] <lionzw> a) one month b) redhat back in 2001 (forget the version) i was a teenager and installed redhat on all of the computers in the housw which really pissed everyone off but i loved it
[12:12] <_BS_> bash script: remind me ... how to get lines to echo before being run? I think -v IIRC, but how to set within script rather than command line.
[12:12] <slinker1> five years on kde different distros usually debian sid first distro was Yggdrasil back in 91 or 2 i guess it was
[12:13] <Linkmaster> slinker1: I've never heard of Yggdrasil :0 and lionzw, I've wanted to do that for ages, but my family still needs MS -.-
[12:14] <slinker1> my grandkids all run linux always has the eight year old hates windows :) it's great being anti-borg
[12:15] <Linkmaster> Oh, I know. Windows innately bothers me now that I've become involved with linux
[12:19] <slinker1> although it does pay the bills :) sucks here though my company got bought out not long ago had to go from a linux server farm to windows ;( corporate sillyness
[12:20] <Linkmaster> Whoa, what? Why did the shut down the [obviously better, and most likely more functional] linux server??
[12:21] <slinker1> it's xerox that bought us they are highly windows centric feh
[12:22] <Linkmaster> Eh..thats saddening quite frankly
[12:24] <slinker1> indeed windows and macs all day long i am glad to get back home to linux at the end of the day :)
[12:25] <Linkmaster> I would too! [don't get me started on MAC..]
[12:26] <_BS_> !offtopic
[12:26] <lionzw> the parliament of zimbabwe uses ubuntu on all servers and workstations, but it's still probably a horrible place to work - as long as you work with good people it's not that bad that you aren't using Gnu/Linux anymore
[12:27] <slinker1> i for one welcome our fine robotic overlords :)
[12:27] <lionzw> slinker1 i just read that exact comment on / .
[12:27] <slinker1> hehe
[12:28] <Linkmaster> _BS_: ah, thanks. This is the type of channel I need :P
[12:30] <bazhang> lionzw, wrong channel for that
[12:30] <lionzw> for what
[12:31] <bazhang> lionzw, anything outside of Kubuntu support
[12:31] <lionzw> okay
[12:34] <lionzw> bazhang are you a developer? do you work on the kubuntu project and if so in what capacity? it's nice of you if you're just offering free tech support but i'm curious how else you're involved
[12:34] <bazhang> lionzw, just a volunteer. this is better discussed in an offtopic channel though
[12:39] <_BS_> how to make bash script verbose? 'verbose' don't do it.
[12:40] <lionzw> isnt it -v or --verbose
[12:40] <_BS_> Yes, that's on bash script invocation (command line) - want to set it within script itself.
[12:41] <lionzw> you put it at the top of the file
[12:41] <lionzw> after the path to bash
[12:44] <_BS_> lionzw: Let's try this again. echo echo hello world>hello. chmod +x hello. ./hello. Now, put -v or verbose above echo hello world in file and ... command not found. Care to try again?
[12:45] <lionzw> !#/bin/bash -v at the top of your file
[12:46] <lionzw> _BS_ you must put this at the top of your file: #!/bin/bash -v and that is what i said the first time
[12:48] <lionzw> _BS_ have you figured out how to follow basic instructions yet? i said put -v after the path to bash
[12:48] <lionzw> and why would you respond rudely to someone willing to help you for free?
[12:49] <_BS_> lionzw: Simmer down. In no way was I rude. Obviously, what you said wasn't as obvious or self-evident to me, as it appears to be to you.
[12:51] <ikonia> _BS_: look at the option "set -x" too
[12:54] <_BS_> ikonia: Thanks. You're tickling a memory I'm not quite getting ... man bash, /-x, isn't getting me anywhere. man set gets me nowhere. set --help gets me the one line. So ... can you remind me ... how do I look at the set -x option. Not via 'man bash'. 'man sh perhaps?
[12:55] <ikonia> _BS_: in your script, make the first line "set -x"
[12:55] <_BS_> ikonia: OK, got you. Sets xtrace - I think this is what I'm looking for ...
[12:56] <lionzw> _BS_  i just added -v to the path line of a script and it worked for me, is it working for you?
[12:57] <_BS_> ikonia: Perfect, thank you so much. That's what I was remembering, but couldn't remember how to get there.
[12:57] <_BS_> lionzw: As I said, using invocations of type ./hello, no command line options. And, no luck with !#/bin/bash -v in file, nor #/bin/bash -v.
[12:59] <ikonia> I don't think doing it bash -v will work as the shell is invoked
[13:02] <lionzw> set -v and #!/bin/bash -v both work for me
[13:02] <bittin> yay just got to my grand parents place 700mb Kubuntu updates =p
[13:05] <_BS_> lionzw: Agreed. But ikoniz got me to what I couldn't remember. The nice think about -x is (at least here) it puts ++ in front of the line, so the echoed line doesn't just sort of merge into the background. Thank you both for responding. And, lionzw: Still can't make it work with !#/bin/bash -v. Have a good day all.
[13:07] <lionzw> _BS_ anyone here can test this on a shell script and it will always "work" but maybe not the way you want it to
[13:11] <_BS_> lionzw: If you say so.
[13:12] <lionzw> lol
[13:13] <lionzw> man at first you just put -v on a line and said i was wrong because 'command not found'
[13:13] <lionzw> thats hilarious
[13:14] <_BS_> lionzw: Are we reading the same irc logs?
 lionzw: Let's try this again. echo echo hello world>hello. chmod +x hello. ./hello. Now, put -v or verbose above echo hello world in file and ... command not found. Care to try again?
[13:15] <lionzw> yes, why yes we are
[13:20] <lionzw> _BS_  "care to try again" no thanks, i was right the first time
[13:23] <lionzw> good day
[13:29] <_BS_> lionzw: Yes, lionzw, the environment for which the solution you were offering did not match the environment from which I was coming. My line tells you what I am doing. The care to try again references you to adapt the solution you were offering to the environment I was running. You can try to read that badly, but there's nothing there upon which to base reading it badly. You assumed a line...
[13:29] <_BS_> ...in the script not in evidence. Then try to beat me up when I ask if you care to try offering your solution in a slightly different, more pertinent to my environment and question asked way. If you really want to be this cranky ...
[13:29] <bazhang> _BS_, he quit
[13:29] <_BS_> bazhang: Thanks for the heads up.
[14:06] <davour> Have anyone here any knowledge of WebDAV? I want to access a webdav using a certificate. Is there a way to tell dolphin which cert to use when I type debdav:// in the address bar?
[14:41] <moises> hola
[15:03] <stevellion> So who else is counting down the minutes to upgrade to Natty?
[15:03] <darkrex1986> me :D
[15:04] <BluesKaj>  allhowdy
[15:04] <BluesKaj> or howdy all :)
[15:04] <Pola1> Does anybody use Kate? I got an upgrade yesterday to 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu2, and now when I open a JSON file (somewhat large) it chokes and spins. This didn't happen with the previous version. Just wondering.
[15:04] <James147> stevellion: why count down? it you want it that much upgrade now :)
[15:05] <stevellion> Best thing I'm looking forward to is the config option in display settings that will leave my Laptop LCD as the master, and make the VGA port the secondary...  tried it with KDE 4.6 update, but had to revert becasue of some other issues.
[15:05] <stevellion> will skip the beta and go straight for the RC.
[15:06] <stevellion> (or GA, of it goes straight to GA instead of an RC)
[15:06] <James147> stevellion: there wont be much difference between them at this stage ^^
[15:06] <BluesKaj> natty is already quite stable here
[15:06] <darkrex1986> @stevellion this feature will be great
[15:07] <darkrex1986> @Pola1 sounds strage maybe a bug ?
[15:08] <stevellion> @darkrex1986 - yeah, the number of times I've dragged that menu bar across the desktops....
[15:08] <darkrex1986> @BluesKaj wheres here ?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> natty darkrex1986
[15:10] <BluesKaj> I'm runnining natty
[15:11] <BluesKaj> darkrex1986, no need for the @ on irc  , the nick is sufficient to highlight
[15:12] <darkrex1986> @BluesKaj the beta2 or final ;)?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> officail release is tomorrow , so pretty close to final
[15:13] <darkrex1986> good to know ;)
[15:13] <James147> BluesKaj: though at this stage there will be little difference if any
[15:14] <BluesKaj> only 4 updates yesterday, so it's almost done
[15:14] <James147> BluesKaj: betting most of it is going to be getting the iso done
[15:15] <BluesKaj> James147, and todayit's just the tzdata
[15:15] <bittin> Somone know how to install Firefox 4 in Kubuntu with swedish langpack?
[15:17] <darkrex1986> BluesKaj: did you konw which version of textlive will be used in natty
[15:18] <BluesKaj> bittin, maybe the svensk chat #kubuntu-se or #ubuntu-se
[15:18] <bittin> BluesKaj: thanks :)
[15:19] <bittin> found a ppa for firefox 4: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=maverick but not sure if its in Swedish
[15:19] <stevellion> So if I upgrade now to the Beta, will that then become "mainline" after tomorrow?
[15:19] <James147> stevellion: yes
[15:19] <James147> stevellion: assuming you upgrade it after tomorrow :)
[15:20] <James147> stevellion: although the differences between tehm at this stage wont be much
[15:20] <stevellion> James147  huh?
[15:20] <James147> stevellion: upgrade it again after tomorrow that is ^^
[15:20] <stevellion> James147 - are you saying I could (if I choose) to upgrade to beta today, then upgrade again tomorrow?
[15:20] <James147> yes
[15:20] <stevellion> just to bring the ppa's in line?
[15:21] <stevellion> James147 - Gotcha.. :) rock on.
[15:21] <James147> stevellion: and the difference between the beta and final packages wont by much if any
[15:21] <James147> so there wont be much to dl to morrow when everyone will be,...
[15:21] <stevellion> James147  I'm sure :)  Thanks for the assistance.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> darkrex1986, there's version listed in synaptic (yes i use synaptic ...it's still a good reference )
[15:21] <BluesKaj> no version
[15:22] <James147> !info texlive natty
[15:22] <darkrex1986> thx ubottu
[15:23] <James147> !ubottu
[15:23] <James147> :)
[15:23] <darkrex1986> :D damn ^^
[15:23] <darkrex1986> faild
[15:25] <BluesKaj> darkrex1986, there's no texlive version number if thats what you mean
[15:48] <stevellion_> OK - Apologies is being thick...  Trying to see a way to "upgrade" my maverick to natty beta - without downloading a CD image.  is that possible?
[15:48] <James147> stevellion_: yes
[15:49] <James147> sudo do-release-upgrade -d   if i remember correctly
[15:49] <stevellion_> James147 : hah.. so I am being thick :) ha ha...
[15:49] <BluesKaj> stevellion_, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:49] <stevellion_> eureka!  thanks all.
[15:49]  * BluesKaj is a slow typist :)
[15:49]  * James147 notes that the -d means upgrade to the development version
[15:50] <stevellion_> better than using the gui too, I think :)
[15:50] <stevellion_> thanks - gonna close up a few apps now while I let it run.  Bye!
[15:51] <BluesKaj> stevellion_, yes the upgrade manager has "issues' , but make sure you disable any ppas you've added since your last install
[15:51] <BluesKaj> bummer , my slowness strikes again
[15:59] <bittin> Updating Kubuntu on my grandparents computer from 10.10 to 11.04 beta 2 hope i don't break anything
[15:59] <mack> hi
[15:59] <bittin> hi
[16:00] <BlouBlou> bittin: then wait to tomorrow
[16:00] <BlouBlou> if you don't want to break anything
[16:00] <James147> BlouBlou: bittin: ^^ I would say wait a week if you want less of a risk
[16:00] <James147> there wont by much difference between today and tomorrow though
[16:01] <BluesKaj> bittin, what kind of computer and graphics ?
[16:01] <BlouBlou> yes, that's right, anyways I was going to update the next week, I don't have time on this :P
[16:01] <bittin> BluesKaj: an old Pentium 4 HT 3,4ghz gfx is some Ati
[16:02] <bittin> if i remember correct
[16:06] <BluesKaj> bittin, I'm not totally sure, but I think you should be ok, ...come over and ask about your hardware in #ubuntu+1 to make sure.
[16:09] <bittin> that destroys the fun :p
[16:12] <BluesKaj> bittin, ATI and Nvidia are well supported in 11.04, so I doubt your grandparents pc will have any problems altho personally i don't there's any advantage to upgrading right now ...waiting for a few weeks would probly be a safe route
[16:13] <BluesKaj> err personally i don't think
[16:14] <bittin> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc R480 [Radeon X850XT (PCIE)] (Secondary)
[16:14]  * BluesKaj is also a grandparent :)
[16:15] <mycle> hey, i have a problem with my desktop settings. I'm using two screens connected to an ati readon 5670 graphic crad. I configure them  to work as extensions of each other with different resolutions, but everytime i reboot the settings are set back to defaukt, so that the screens are clons of each other and have the wrong resolutions.
[16:16] <bittin> iam the 20year old geek that want something new :p
[16:17] <bittin> well this is pretty old stable hardware, and it gets released tommorow so i guess it will work fine
[16:19] <James147> bittin: just because it gets released dosnt mean it will just work... upgrades are where things tend to break, and allot of the upgrade bugs tend not to get fixed till after release due to the lack of testers
[16:19] <BluesKaj> yup, I did some google-linux checking on that card and it seems that will run fine , no launchpad bugs so far. bittin
[16:19] <James147> it normally takes a week or two before people stop comming here about broken upgrades :)
[16:20] <bittin> well only things that needs to work is firefox / thunderbird, some card game and pdfviewer
[16:21] <mycle> i don't really want to disturbe some vets talking about stuff i have no idea of:D, but does anyone some advice?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> bittin, whynot try the beta livedcd , it will give you an indication if there are problems
[16:22] <bittin> don't have any empty cd-rs here
[16:22] <bittin> and already started the update
[16:22] <bittin> has a knoppix on another partion if anything goes wrong
[16:22] <vooze> is Kubuntu also avaliable in danish?
[16:22] <mycle> I was here once before, and James147 tried to help me but i didn't worked out
[16:23] <bittin> mycle: whats your problem?
[16:23] <mycle> hey, i have a problem with my desktop settings. I'm using two screens connected to an ati readon 5670 graphic crad. I configure them  to work as extensions of each other with different resolutions, but everytime i reboot the settings are set back to defaukt, so that the screens are clons of each other and have the wrong resolutions.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> bittin,  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Beta2/Kubuntu
[16:24] <BluesKaj> oops too late again
[16:25] <BluesKaj> !dk | vooze
[16:25] <James147> bittin: just as a note, you can use usb flash drivers inplace of cds if your computer supports booting form them
[16:26] <vooze> BluesKaj, i can speak english just fine.. i just asked in the OS was possible in danish, like ubuntu is
[16:26] <bittin> James147: ah yea unetbootin
[16:27] <James147> bittin: or usb-creator ^^ which i find works better
[16:27] <bittin> ah i never used that
[16:27] <James147> at least for ubuntu based distros ^^ and comes preinstalled on kubuntu
[16:28] <mycle> bittin: i have a problem with my desktop settings. I'm using two screens connected to an ati readon 5670 graphic crad. I configure them  to work as extensions of each other with different resolutions, but everytime i reboot the settings are set back to defaukt, so that the screens are clons of each other and have the wrong resolutions.
[16:28] <BluesKaj> vooze, I'm quite sure danish is available , just choose the langauge when installing
[16:29] <Linkmaster> So, I read through this, and I forgot how to disable unneeded ppa's..I have quite a few of them collected
[16:30] <Linkmaster> I know HOW that is, but I forgot which ones were not supposed to be checked, and which ones NEEDED to stay
[16:30] <Realmkeeper> What timezone is the countdown based on; UTC or something else?
[16:31] <alibo> For me the timer says it is available but I cannot upgrade :-(
[16:31] <alibo> It says "Out Now!".
[16:31] <James147> and why cant you upgrade?
[16:32] <Realmkeeper> alibo: That's why I'm asking. Cause, it would have been beter to use UTC; rather than hard coding "dateFuture = new Date(2011,03,28,0,0,0);" and then getting the actual time off of your computer.
[16:32] <alibo> I changed data source to main server and updated the package list but there is no data about the new release yet.
[16:33] <James147> Realmkeeper: it will be out when its out... the updator will be checking the repos for an update, not using a timer
[16:34] <James147> Realmkeeper: dont think I have ever seen a time based updator... that cannot account for delays and as such is a horrible idea :S
[16:35] <Realmkeeper> James147: Yes, but, usually the release date is based on American time (which has many timezones itself). Kubuntu is an international distro?
[16:36] <James147> Realmkeeper: But I wouldnt worryabout teh exact release time... and I think they use the latest time zone :) so they have more time to fix last minute problems, though i dont know for sure
[16:36] <James147> Realmkeeper: I dont think there is a spific time it will be released...
[16:37] <James147> Realmkeeper: But I would not worry about exactly when it gets released... if you want to upgrade then upgrade now... there wont be many if any differences between now and release
[16:37] <alibo> They should have stopped the timer at "1 day left" and set it to "Out Now!" manually when it is really available.
[16:37] <James147> Realmkeeper: if you want to make sure there are no problems with the upgrade then wait a week or two for the post release dust to settle
[16:38] <Realmkeeper> James147: It's the liveCD I want to show (non-linux using) people.
[16:39] <James147> Realmkeeper: then dosent really matter when you get it after release :)
[16:39] <Realmkeeper> Anyhow, I'm not worried about the timing... it's just that the timer should indicate which timezone it means.
[16:39] <James147> if anything, its best to wait a few days as their servers tend to be under allot of stress on release day
[16:39] <Realmkeeper> It's a mater of being considerate, that's all.
[16:41] <Realmkeeper> James147: It's only cause people like you stress the servers out. ;P
[16:42] <James147> Realmkeeper: why would I stress the servers?
[16:42]  * Realmkeeper eyes James147, "Unless you're a developer..?"
[16:43] <James147> Realmkeeper: I am not even useing kubuntu currently :)
[16:44] <Realmkeeper> Ah... a spy?
[16:44] <Realmkeeper> jk
[16:45] <James147> just like helping out :) kubuntu is a great system, even if its not the best choise for me
[16:46] <Realmkeeper> Well, I'm eyeing off Kubuntu and Chakra... it's neck-and-neck at the moment.
[16:49] <alibo> Hi, has anybody information about the new feature "owncloud"?
[16:50] <alibo> Sounds great. I was thinking of storing all the application settings on it like bookmarks in konqueror and make them accessible from any computer by connecting to the cloud. Is this what they have in mind?
[16:50] <Realmkeeper> alibo: What information do you mean?
[16:50] <Realmkeeper> Like this type of information: http://dot.kde.org/2011/04/21/first-owncloud-sprint
[16:51] <James147> alibo: owncloud is a cloud based system that you can deploy on your systems...
[16:51] <alibo> I am not sure what they mean with cloud. I think my expectations are quite hight.
[16:51] <James147> alibo: unless you ahve an alwayson or server type computer it might not be of much use
[16:51] <alibo> I have :-D
[16:53] <alibo> James147: Wow on the link you posted they said the had quaters is Stuttgart which is my hometown ^^ maybe I can ask them in person haha
[17:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> is there a way to make sure that my speakers/hardware are properly setup for 5.1 sound? I don't believe my rear speakers are playing anything, and the levels seem off from my last OS
[17:29] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: system settings > multimedia > phonon > speaker setup
[17:30] <Spaz_Dynamic> i don't see/have a speaker set up button/option
[17:31] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: select the sound card you want to change then pick a profile for that card
[17:31]  * James147 notes the speaker placment/testing part has never played anything for him
[17:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> i don't have a way to pick a profile either. .-.
[17:32] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: what version of kde?
[17:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> whatever came with 10.10 + any upgrades found since then
[17:34] <James147> probally 4.5 then :( sorry, that tab was added in 4.6
[17:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> does kpackagekit not upgrade KDE?
[17:35] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: not marjor versions
[17:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah
[17:35] <James147> though it is in the backports ppa
[17:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, I assume 4.6 is in 11.04
[17:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> is 11.04 out yet, or is that tomorrow?
[17:36] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: tomorrow, but if you upgrade noew there wont be much diffference then if you did tomorrow
[17:36] <James147> ^^ except probally better speeds since their servers wont be under heavy load from everyone trying to upgrade at once
[17:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah. I was planning on just installing, not upgrading. having a separate /home partition would mean that settings and such stay?
[17:37] <James147> and yes, 11.04 has 4.6 to my knowledge
[17:38] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: user settings would... as long as you dont format the /home partition
[17:38] <BluesKaj> James147, yes it does
[17:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol ok
[17:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmm, what would have have to make a separate partition to not lose programs/drivers ?
[17:40] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: you cannot
[17:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> bah
[17:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> so upgrading is the only way to do that
[17:40] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: the installer will delete system folders nomatter where they are, and the very concept of trying to do other wise would break the packagemanager
[17:40] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: yes, thats th whole point of upgradeing
[17:41]  * James147 notes that by no matter where they are he means no matter what drive they are on ^^
[17:42] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: I disagree. If you put them on a separate drive/external drive and unplug it from your computer...
[17:42] <Spaz_Dynamic> I mean, linux is good, but I don't think its -that- good
[17:42] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: thenb it wont delete them, but it will install new ones and not know about the old ones
[17:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> but you could then remove the 'new' ones and mount the drive where it is expecting them to be
[17:43] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: and yes, you can plug it back in and add the drive to the path to get access to teh programs again... but then you will have two of just about everything causing conflicts
[17:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> and probably utterly confuse kubuntu
[17:43] <James147> and the packagemanager wont beable to upgrade to remove the ones on the old drive
[17:44] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: that would effectivly downgrade you to 10.10 again if you jsut swaped teh dirves
[17:44] <James147> since the only real thing that made a difference in the versions is the versions of the packages
[17:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> but regardless, how does one obtain the pre-release (assuming it is essentially the same as what 11.04 will be tomorrow and i'll not have to upgrade everythign a second time)
[17:45] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: its far easier to just upgrade... or reinstall the packages
[17:45] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sudo do-release-upgrade -d  (-d means devel release)
[17:46] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: any it may or may not be the same tomorrow, but that dosnt matter, the differences will then be upgraded as you normally get upgrades
[17:47] <James147> (ie, if you download the upgrades tomorrow then you will be on the final release, and not have to redownlaod everyting, only the changes)
[17:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> Well, as long as i'm not having to do essentially an entire upgrade again, as that would just be a waste of time and their bandwitdh
[17:48] <James147> ^^ basically ubuntu dosnt care if its beta or not, an update is an update... it only cares from which repos it gets them from
[17:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, committing upgrade
[17:49] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah, so it'll just check the repos and if anything has been upgraded since I ran the aformentioned command, it will upgrade those
[17:49] <James147> the do-release-upgrade changes which repors it will use and upgrades all packages, once you have done it you then just update it like you normally do
[17:49] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: taking backup of your /home would be a better idea before upgrading, though not necessary
[17:51] <James147> ^^ back ups are always useful :) as is having a spare livecd liying around
[17:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> heh, i have an ubuntu 9.04 CD lying around somewhere... hard to believe its been two years since then. xD
[17:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh good grief, 197 new packages, and 966 to be upgraded
[17:53] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: its always a good idea to have one, incase something goes horrifically wrong :S
[17:54] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: better today then with everyone else trying tomorrow
[17:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> eh, my bandwidth is low enough that I probably won't see a significant difference anyway xD
[17:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> but going ahead with it now
[17:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> I mean, not that my bandwidth is low, just not screamingly high
[17:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> and it only ever pulls updates from their servers at around 250 KBps anyway
[17:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> (and thats if I'm lucky)
[17:56] <James147> thats not too bad
[17:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> well its why I torrent the install disks.
[17:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> I can get max bandwidth from my ISP using that, which is 800
[17:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> and if I'm using eth0 instead of wlan0, I can actually break the speed cap xD
[17:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> I've gotten a speedtest.net result of about
[17:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> 3.3MBps
[17:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> that was a while ago though
[17:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> about the most i've seen lately has been more like 1.5-2.0
[18:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: I just noticed, you're not having connection issues today
[18:43] <bittin> Xorg crashed but trying to run apt-get -f upgrade in a framebuffer now and will check if it fixes the problem
[18:46] <count0nz> q
[18:56] <bittin> Kubuntu 11.04 beta 2 seems to work only problems so far is that my window manager dwm won't start and the sound won't work :(
[18:56] <Peace-> bittin: ?
[18:56] <Peace-> bittin: please add veromix
[18:57] <bittin> whats veromix?
[18:57] <Peace-> it's this
[18:58] <Peace-> bittin: a mixer that handles pulse
[18:58] <Peace-> bittin: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/04/27/plasma-desktopHs1607.jpg
[18:58] <Peace-> bittin: look at the desktop
[18:59] <bittin> i don't find that
[18:59] <Peace-> bittin: you have to add from here
[18:59] <bittin> E: Kunde inte hitta paketet veromix
[18:59] <bittin> and i use openbox
[18:59] <Peace-> bittin: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/04/27/plasma-desktoprP1607.jpg
[18:59] <Peace-> get new widget
[19:00] <Peace-> well if you don't use plasma ask to #ubuntu
[19:00] <Peace-> here it's only for kde
[19:00] <bittin> ok
[19:00] <bittin> but you gaved me an idea
[19:00] <bittin> removed pulseaudio and now sound works :)
[19:01] <bittin> now its just wait for a working dwm :)
[19:02] <Peace-> fine
[19:02] <Peace-> well or y have a mixer that handles well pulse
[19:02] <Peace-> or you have to remove pulse
[19:03] <bittin> this soundcard hates pulse
[19:09] <livcd> Any package creator ?
[19:10] <James147> livcd: ??
[19:10] <livcd> James147: I have question how are the packages compiled
[19:11] <James147> you might want to ask at #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel
[19:46] <Linkmaster> I have a question concerning an update I'm getting
[19:46] <Peace-> ...
[19:46] <Peace-> so ask
[19:50] <Linkmaster> I'm not sure if its relavent now...KPackageKit had told me I had two updates, and that neither of their packages where signed. I know the importance of package signing, and I was just wondering how bad of an idea it is to download unsigned packages
[20:02] <arpan> anyone running natty? having trouble using nvidia drivers?
[20:06] <arpan> i get black windows like this one : http://imagebin.org/150465
[20:07] <arpan> with noveau it works fine but some other visual glitches
[20:09] <arpan> even yakuake window is not displayed when using f12
[20:10] <arpan> anyone else having this or similar issue with nvidia? it used to work perfect in maverick
[20:12] <BluesKaj> arpan, did you install the rec'd driver in kmenu/apps/system/additional drivers ?
[20:13] <arpan> BluesKaj: yes, that's the one i installed
[20:13] <Spaz_Dynamic> when doing an upgrade and installing a new version of the config for grub... I never know what to do
[20:14] <BluesKaj> have you updated since installing natty , arpan
[20:14] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: I always go with package maintener's version whenever asked while upgrading
[20:14] <BluesKaj> Spaz_Dynamic, sudo update-grub
[20:14] <arpan> BluesKaj: yep all the latest updates till now
[20:16] <arpan> BluesKaj: lspci gives -> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100] (rev a2)
[20:16] <Spaz_Dynamic> BluesKaj: i'm currently being prompted
[20:17] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: when prompted, go with maintener's version, it should update the grub, according to my experience
[20:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> ok, and what do the other options do?
[20:17] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: unless you have made changed to the configs for grub go with the mainteners version, otherwise dont
[20:18] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: what are other options? i can't recall them now.
[20:18] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: the other option keeps anychanges you or scripts might have made to the configs
[20:18] <BluesKaj> package maintainers version is usually best unless the conf file has been edited
[20:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> i already said to go with maintainers so I can't copy them here
[20:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> but IU did get this message before it went off screen
[20:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> I*
[20:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version
[20:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Sector 32 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track.
[20:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Sector 33 is already in use by FlexNet; avoiding it.  This software may cause boot or other problems in future.  Please ask its authors not to store data in the boot track.
[20:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> Installation finished. No error reported.
[20:19] <FloodBotK1> Spaz_Dynamic: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> pssh, that was 4 lines.
[20:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> silly FloodBot
[20:20] <BluesKaj> BBL , appointment with my barber
[20:21] <arpan> James147: any idea about nvidia driver causing -> http://imagebin.org/150465
[20:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> Configuration file `/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc' /n ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation./n ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version./n   What would you like to do about it ?
[20:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> What should I do about it? same as with GRUB? I don't know exactly what kdmrc is, so I don't know what changes I might have made to it.
[20:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh, and I changed returnlines to /n in the first message
[20:26] <James147> thats the config file for kdm (the login screen)
[20:27] <ryrych> good evening
[20:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> huh.. I don't think I chnaged that, so why does it say it was?
[20:27] <ryrych> have you ever thought that crash of VirtualBox can remove plasma-desktop? :)
[20:27] <James147> it might have been, even if the changes arnt signicant...
[20:28] <jozefk> I forgot how to change the server for kpackagekit
[20:28] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: did you change any settings for login screen using system settings before upgrading?
[20:28] <James147> ryrych: nop, cant see how it could
[20:28] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: That could be one of the reason.
[20:28] <ryrych> it was really, really strange and stressing story :)
[20:29] <ryrych> James147: me too, I even purged my cutting-edge x-org :)
[20:30] <ryrych> James147: the crash caused the same effect of black screen after kdm login
[20:30] <ryrych> phew :)
[20:31] <ryrych> I am too nervous and Ku made me really angry :D
[20:31] <ryrych> haha
[20:31] <James147> ryrych: it could have crrupted a config that caused plasma-desktop to crash, but I dont see how it can remove it
[20:32] <ryrych> James147: but it wasn't there :) I had to install it :)
[20:32] <ryrych> nevermind, now my Ku is up and running
[20:35] <jozefk> I can't change the server anymore
[20:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: not that I remember
[20:36] <jozefk> can it be done in terminal or something?
[20:37] <Chris_H> I get this error when I try to update google chrome --> *short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./opt/google/chrome/libpdf.so'*
[20:37] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: i guess it doesn't matter now anyways as you've updated it already :)
[20:37] <Chris_H> How can I fix it?
[20:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: Yeah, basically. xD
[20:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> it reports a restart is needed. Be back in a few moments.
[20:38] <arpan> ok Spaz_Dynamic
[20:40] <jozefk> maybe sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:40] <jozefk> I must to find the server on the net first
[20:41] <jozefk> it's actaully ubuntu server
[20:41] <James147> jozefk: i would not use vim unless you know how to use vim ^^ nano is easier to use
[20:41] <jozefk> I know how to use vim :)
[20:41] <jozefk> vim is #1 :)
[20:42] <arpan> vim +1 \o/
[20:43] <Peace-> kate ~vim
[20:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> Woo! I broke it!
[20:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> *sigh*
[20:43] <James147> jozefk: just making sure :) the number of guides i see suggesting it to new userss without an explnations is silly :S
[20:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> good thing I have my handy dandy laptop
[20:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> with Puppy linux xD
[20:43] <James147> Peace-: not quite :) kates vi mode is still lacking in many things
[20:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> but yeah, I try and boot, and I get dumped to tty2
[20:44] <jozefk> I can't find list of servers for ubuntu
[20:44] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: make sure kubuntu-desktop is install
[20:44] <James147> ed
[20:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: uh, would it have been uninstalled?
[20:44] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: press Ctrl+Alt+F7 and see what's there
[20:44] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: making sure wont hurt :)
[20:45] <Chris_H> I get this error when I try to update google chrome --> *short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./opt/google/chrome/libpdf.so'*
[20:45] <Chris_H> Pls help
[20:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 (twice) /dev/sda2: clean x/y files x/y blocks, same for sda3
[20:45] <arpan> i guess i will remove nvidia drivers and use noveau until it is fixed. :(
[20:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> init: ureadahead-other main process (802) terminated with status 4
[20:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: /usr.bin.firefox (huh? I don't have firefox installed... guess that's why its skipped?)
[20:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> * starting apparmor profiles [ok]
[20:47] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: not sure, what's wrong there.
[20:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> *setting sensor limits [ok]
[20:47] <Peace-> James147: i have used ~ :P
[20:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> *starting mdns/dns-sd daemon [ok]
[20:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> and thats it
[20:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> on tty2, which it dumped me to, I went on and tried to run startx
[20:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> got a lot of text
[20:49] <Spaz_Dynamic> and last 3 lines are xinit giving up, unable to connect to x server: connection refused, and server error
[20:49] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: have you made sure kubuntu-desktop is installed?
[20:50] <Spaz_Dynamic> kubuntu-desktop: command not found
[20:50] <Spaz_Dynamic> so, uh, I guess that means it isn't?
[20:50] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: i guess your x-org is removed during upgrade
[20:50] <James147> no, its not a command, its a meta-package
[20:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> well then how do I check? you need to say these things =P
[20:51] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:51] <genii-around> sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[20:51] <James147> that will install it if its not already
[20:51] <James147> genii-around: dont think --reinstall is needed
[20:51] <genii-around> James147: Perhaps not
[20:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> i got a ton of errors
[20:52] <James147> !pastebinit
[20:53] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: from tty2, run aptitude show xorg
[20:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> it was probably because it hasn't loaded my wireless driver yet?
[20:53] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: i prefer aptitude over apt-get when such info is needed quickly
[20:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: don't have aptitude installed
[20:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> but as I said, I don't know if it loaded my wireless driver, and I don't know how to check
[20:54] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you can install it with sudo apt-get install aptitude, only if you want, it doesn't hurt, at least not me ;)
[20:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol
[20:54] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: o wireless?
[20:54] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: thats more complcated :p
[20:54] <Spaz_Dynamic> figures
[20:54] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: can you get a wired connection? it makes things simpler
[20:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> i'd have to move my whole desktop
[20:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> and it wouuld be the fourth time this week
[20:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> i'm getting rather tired of it
[20:55] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: it would proballe be esier then trying to connect via wireless :S
[20:55] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: i faced this same problem during one of my upgrade and it was my old xorg  removed but newer one never installed due to broken dep
[20:56] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: i would suggest you check the status of your xorg, may save you lot of time..
[20:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> how do I do that, exactly
[20:57] <jozefk> pita
[20:58] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: connect via wireless? depends on what type of encryption you are using
[20:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> that too. I was also asking how I check status of xorg
[20:58] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: apt-cache doesn't show the status, while aptitude gives that info, i dont know of any other trick to get that info
[20:59] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: in this situation i would try to install aptitude and remove it later, if not needed
[21:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> first I would need to get online
[21:00] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup#Manual_setup  << probally one of the better guids I have seen... though one addition is that I would make sure network-manager isnt running first (sudo stop network-manager)
[21:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> why is that?
[21:02] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: run iwconfig in tty2
[21:02] <arpan> and see if it shows your wireless adapter as wlan0 or something
[21:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: I don't have the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file
[21:10] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: I don't have the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file
[21:14] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: did u see wlan0 in output of iwconfig?
[21:14] <Spaz_Dynamic> never mind, I think I'm getting it. xD
[21:14] <arpan> okey
[21:14] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sudo wpa_passphrase mywireless_ssid "secretpassphrase" > /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:14] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan yeah, i knew wlan0 was it before I started
[21:14] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: eah just saw that
[21:15] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: replacing mywireless_ssid and secretpassphrase
[21:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah i know
[21:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> but it says premission denied
[21:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> permission*
[21:16] <Spaz_Dynamic> it said it even after I said sudo
[21:16] <Spaz_Dynamic> o.o
[21:16] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: most of the commands on that guide are run as root ^^
[21:16] <Spaz_Dynamic> isn't that what sudo would do
[21:16] <James147> anything begining with a # you should run with sudo
[21:17] <James147> o yeah, sorry, forgetting how pipes work :)
[21:17] <James147> wpa_passphrase mywireless_ssid "secretpassphrase" | tee /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> do I need the file before I can do that?
[21:17] <James147> wpa_passphrase mywireless_ssid "secretpassphrase" | sudo tee /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:17] <James147> even
[21:18] <ace> hi all
[21:18] <Spaz_Dynamic> alright, that worked
[21:18] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: just so you know whats happening, sudo command is run (sudo run the command as root) then the output get piped using > to the file as a normal user... which they dont have permissions to do
[21:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> aaahhh ok
[21:19] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: so you can either use the above or use "sudo -i" first then run the command
[21:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> i thought sudo would do anything as root as long as it wasn't piped with the pipe |
[21:19] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: > is another type of pipe
[21:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah, I meant that I thought only the | would stop a sudo
[21:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol
[21:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> that sounds funny
[21:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> "I thought only the pipe would stop a sudo"
[21:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> >.>
[21:21] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: it dosnt stop sudo ^^ its the way bash interprets the commands | and > and < have a higher scope then commands.... ie bash reads it as (sudo command) | (command)
[21:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah.
[21:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> I know
[21:22] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: it dosnt stop the commands ^^ just means the second command is run as a normal user and not root
[21:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> I meant that the super user status stops when it comes to a pipe, meaning it doesn't extend to the rest of the command
[21:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> not that it is cancled
[21:23] <James147> yeah :) sorry, though you ment it broke the pipe :)
[21:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol, nah, nobody like broken pipes
[21:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> but uh, I need a crash course on using vi
[21:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[21:23] <Pici> vimtutor is handy.
[21:24] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: there is no crash course... though vitutor is probally the closest thing to one
[21:24] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: try sudo apt-get update, if it shows any packages still to be upgraded, mostly due to broken dep
[21:24] <Pici> I ran through it myself recently, trying to learn vim finally.
[21:24] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan still not online, hold on.
[21:24] <jozefk> part
[21:24] <Spaz_Dynamic> and guys, just tell me how to actually add to a file, and save it. thats all I need presently
[21:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, and how to close it
[21:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[21:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> quick, before I do any more damage to this conf
[21:26] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you finished typing content then press escape, then press : , then w
[21:26] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: that's how u save a file in vi/vim
[21:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> gack
[21:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> i don't know whats going on, but somehow I deleted an entire line
[21:27] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you should see typing of :w at the bottom left
[21:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> how do I quit without saving xD
[21:27] <James147> ??
[21:27] <arpan> press escape, then type :q!, then enter
[21:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> (04:26:28 PM) Spaz_Dynamic: gack
[21:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> (04:26:41 PM) Spaz_Dynamic: i don't know whats going on, but somehow I deleted an entire line
[21:28] <James147> o yea :)
[21:41] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: were u able to get online on ur broken system?
[21:42] <kalib> Hi people. Is there a way to start an application X with my Kubuntu? I mean.. Everytime that I do log on my Kubuntu, this application should starts too.
[21:42] <James147> kalib: system settings > startup & shutdown > autostart
[21:44] <kalib> James147, thanks
[21:45] <Daxar> Hey, I have a question along those lines. I set KNetworkManager to start up when my comp does, but it doesn't.
[21:47] <James147> Daxar: knetworkmanager was replaced by the networkmanager widget in later vversion of kubuntu
[21:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: still working on it. I finally figured out vi so I just finished the file editing I needed xD
[21:47] <James147> Daxar: which you place on the panel or system tray like other widgets
[21:47] <Daxar> Ooh, so I just need this widget and I'm set?
[21:49] <James147> Daxar: basically
[21:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> CUUUURRRSSSSEEEESSSSS!!!! dhcpcd command isn't installed =(
[21:51] <Daxar> Hmm, I don't see this said widget in the Plasma list. "Network Monitor" is the closest, and searching for it via the Plasma internet search reveals nothing but a "WiFi Wireless Signal Strength in Panel"
[21:51] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: dhcpclient or something...
[21:52] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: i guess that would be dhclient, not sure though
[21:52] <James147> dhclient ^^
[21:52] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sorry, should have mentioned that :)
[21:52] <James147> arpan: yes
[21:53]  * James147 isnt on a kubuntu computer and coulnted quite remember the name :p
[21:53] <Daxar> Ohwait, KPackageKit says that KNetworkManager is just a KDE frontend for NetworkManager.
[21:53] <James147> Daxar: yes
[21:53] <James147> as is the widget
[21:54] <Daxar> Argh, I'm so stupid
[21:54] <Daxar> Nevermind, I had it set to "auto" showing Knetworkmanager
[21:55] <Daxar> Thanks.
[21:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmm, how do you kill a backgrounded task?
[21:56] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you may need process id
[21:56] <Daxar> System Monitor?
[21:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> daxar, running in tty2
[21:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: i forget right now, how do I list running processes/their ids?
[21:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> top?
[21:57] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: ps -A | grep "processname" without quotes
[21:58] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: iirc, top would display top10 or so most active processes..
[21:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah
[21:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmm
[21:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> i have two running apparently
[21:59] <arpan> which process u r looking for?
[21:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> two wpa_supplicant
[22:00] <arpan> and why you want to kill it?
[22:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> i think one is tying up my wifi
[22:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> if not, well, linux is for learning.
[22:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[22:00] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sorry disconnected for a second, whats the problem?
[22:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> when I try to run wpa_supplicant i get errors that the device is busy
[22:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> and I checked using ps -A | grep wpa_supplicant and I have two currently running
[22:02] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: try "sudo ifconfig wlan0 down && sudo ifconfig wlan0 up"
[22:02] <arpan> yeah tht should work
[22:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> how long should dhclient take to run?
[22:06] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: it shouldnt take long if ypour connected... umm, i should have noted that the above command would have brought down the interface and back up again... you will need to reconfigure it
[22:07] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: :) as I said, a wire would have been easier
[22:07] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: though once you figure it out it becomes easier
[22:07] <Spaz_Dynamic> linux is for learning ^_^
[22:07] <James147> :D
[22:08] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you may use this guide with quick commands -> http://www.stoltenow.com/archives/2006/12/ubuntu_configur.html
[22:08] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: replace ath0 with wlan0 in case you use those commands
[22:08] <James147> arpan: that looks liek wep encryption
[22:09] <James147> arpan: at elast, i have never gotten iwconfig essid to work with wpa
[22:09] <arpan> James147: nope, that's just setting up your wireless through commands
[22:10] <arpan> James147: i never had to do that but i guess learning is good
[22:10] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: hmm,
[22:11] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: also, you did stop networkmanager first? I found that interferes with the commands
[22:11] <Spaz_Dynamic> how would I do that?
[22:12] <James147> sudo stop network-manager
[22:12] <James147> or sudo service network-manager stop
[22:12] <James147> or sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager stop :)
[22:13] <James147> (you can replace stop with start or status as well to start to check its status)
[22:14] <Spaz_Dynamic> ok, thats working better, but i'm getting problens
[22:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> wpa: invalid eapol-key mic when using tptk - ignoring tptk
[22:16] <Jesse_> i tried installing the proprietary AMD/ATI driver through the additional drivers and my kubuntu quit working after i restarted
[22:16] <Spaz_Dynamic> wpa: could not verify eapol-key mic - dropping packet
[22:16] <Spaz_Dynamic> autentication with [macaddress] timed out.
[22:17] <James147> Jesse_: if you rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf x should revert to using the open drivers
[22:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> then it disconnects, and associates with it, but then disassociates with reason '0'
[22:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> and repeats the whole thing
[22:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> as much as I want to get my desktop fixed, I want to be able to do it without having to relocate to ethernet
[22:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> and connecting via wifi from terminal is awesome
[22:24] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: :)
[22:25] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: would like to see you succeed there :)
[22:25] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: well good luck... took me far to long to beable to connect with ubuntu on commandline :S
[22:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan, but it keeps disconnecting as soon as it associates.
[22:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> saying someting about reason 0
[22:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> so, for no reason? lol
[22:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> and James147, yeah, well, I'm generally patient when the computer isn't being slow. and its not like I have a lot of things to do. don't have work until tomorrow afternoon.
[22:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah, something is wrong.
[22:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> I changed the password for it and the generated key, and its doing the exact same thing
[22:34] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: use "sudo ifconfig wlan0 down && sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" if you want to start again
[22:35] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: try those commands that i linked earlier, it may work.
[22:35] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: or, some things I can suggest, try using no encryption, see if you can connect, then try wep
[22:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> wait... I have a question...
[22:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> well a couple I guess
[22:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> what was it that I was needing to get off the intenet again?
[22:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> internet*
[22:39] <James147> kubuntu-desktop ^^ that is if it isnt already installed :p
[22:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, would that be on the kubuntu 10.10 disk?
[22:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> cause I have that right in front of me...
[22:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[22:40] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: probally not the version you need...
[22:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> a version that would work and make this all a lot easier and probably get my wifi back up to top it off?
[22:42] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: it would be easier to use the wire, ot no encryption
[22:42] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: the disc would have older version that currently installed and probably you can not be install it with new dependency
[22:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, would it be worth a try?
[22:44] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: quicker to use a wire ot use no encryption
[22:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> I just really do not want to have to haul my desktop across the house to get something done
[22:45] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: then turn off the wireless encryption for abit?
[22:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> no encription
[22:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmm
[22:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> hokay
[22:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> assuming i managed to reconnect before I pinged out
[22:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> hrm
[22:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: it doesn't seem to be doing differently
[22:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> i think
[22:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> iwconfig wlan0 still has "ESSID:off/any"
[22:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> so it doesn't look like iwconfig wlan0 essid "name" worked
[22:52] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: with no encryption?
[22:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> 05:50:55 PM) Spaz_Dynamic: James147: it doesn't seem to be doing differently,  think
[22:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> (05:51:20 PM) Spaz_Dynamic: iwconfig wlan0 still has "ESSID:off/any"
[22:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> (05:51:37 PM) Spaz_Dynamic: so it doesn't look like iwconfig wlan0 essid "name" worked
[22:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> and yes, encription is off
[22:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> and dhclient is still taking a while
[22:54] <BajK> it's about time Kubuntu's page gets updated for some new screenshots? as far as I can tell they show KDE 4.4?
[22:54] <BajK> or even older
[22:55] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: http://pastebin.com/UfxYw8dA << running those commands in order .... should ... work
[22:56] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: "iwconfig" before dhclient to check its associated if you want
[22:57] <James147> ^^ note that I would wait a few seconds after the sudo iwconfig ... command
[22:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> james
[23:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: you broke it
[23:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> now its not even scanning
[23:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[23:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> and is it iwlist or iwconfig ?
[23:01] <James147> iwlist is used for scanning
[23:01] <James147> iwconfig is used for congigureing
[23:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> ok
[23:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> well, it isn't scanning anymore
[23:01] <James147> hmm
[23:02] <James147> easyway: reboot :)
[23:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> haha
[23:03]  * James147 isnt entrily sure how to makes wifi work well with command line on ubuntu.... and has found it just seems to stop working after a while
[23:03] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: meanwhile you can check for "apt-get check", it will look for broken dependencies, if any.
[23:04] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: you could try "sudo services networking restart"
[23:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> i think it works upon restarting
[23:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> or not
[23:07] <Spaz_Dynamic> iwconfig wlan0 still reports that the essid is off
[23:07] <Spaz_Dynamic> and apt-get check didn't say anything was wrong so
[23:07] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: did you wait a few seconds after the iwconfig essid?
[23:08]  * James147 finds it takes a few to actually connect
[23:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> a couple, i think
[23:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol
[23:08] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: :) it still says its off if you run it again?
[23:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> lemme try one more time (though note that dhclient ran very quickly this time)
[23:08] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: that sounds good
[23:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> and quickly again
[23:09] <James147> "ping -c 3 8.8.8.8" to see if you are connected to the internet
[23:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> nope
[23:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> network unreachable
[23:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> which is what I thought
[23:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> iwconfig wlan0 still says that there is no essid
[23:10] <kyle____> could someone help me with installing an audio driver??
[23:11] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: try "dpkg --configure -a", you don't need to be online for that
[23:12] <kyle____> anyone?
[23:12] <kyle____> i have the driver for linux that came on my MB cd
[23:12] <kyle____> i ran sudo sh install
[23:12] <James147> kyle____: you dont generally ahve to install audi drivers
[23:12] <James147> !sound
[23:12] <Spaz_Dynamic> arpan: it ran it and didn't say anything
[23:13] <kyle____> and i get a ton of stuff from the console
[23:13] <kyle____> i know generally you dont need a driver
[23:13] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: okay. try "apt-get check"
[23:13] <Spaz_Dynamic> couple lines, no errors.
[23:14] <kyle____> but i have the driver from the manufacturer and i want to use it, the one that comes with ubuntu doesnt properly work with my sound card
[23:14] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: any useful info?
[23:15] <kyle____> if anyone could take a look at my console output and tell me whats going on, i could probably take it from there
[23:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> just that reading package lists is done, it was building a dep tree, and its done reading state information
[23:17] <kyle____> ok i  think i found the problem but can anyone tell me how to fix it?
[23:17] <kyle____> The file /lib/modules/2.6.35-28-generic-pae/build/include/linux/autoconf.h does not exist.
[23:17] <kyle____> Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[23:17] <kyle____> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[23:17] <kyle____> sources (default is /lib/modules/2.6.35-28-generic-pae/build).
[23:17] <kyle____> make all-deps
[23:17] <FloodBotK1> kyle____: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:19] <kyle____> :(
[23:20] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you can check installed status with dpkg -l | grep -i 'packagename'
[23:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> what package should I be checking again?
[23:20] <arpan> so you can do dpkg -l | grep -i 'xorg' and dpkg -l | grep -i 'kubuntu-desktop'
[23:21] <James147> kubuntu-desktop
[23:21] <Spaz_Dynamic> that one
[23:21] <Spaz_Dynamic> thanks
[23:21] <arpan> that would be xorg and kubuntu-desktop
[23:21] <Spaz_Dynamic> 1.222.1
[23:21] <Spaz_Dynamic> for kubuntu-desktop
[23:21] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: if installed you would see description of that package next to the name of the package
[23:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> crap load of things for xorg xD
[23:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> and all have descriptions and such
[23:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> I see name, version, description
[23:22] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: hmm, suggest its installed :)
[23:22] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: what graphics card do you have?
[23:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> ATI Radeon HD 3650 with proprietary drivers installed
[23:23] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: what happens if you rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[23:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> to anything in particular, or just different than its original
[23:23] <James147> (will make it default to using the open drivers)
[23:24] <James147> just different ^^ its common to use .bak .bakup or .ori or .original
[23:24] <James147> and a suffix ^^
[23:27] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: or you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:27] <kyle____> ok so my installer failing is due to this line   checking for kernel linux/autoconf.h... no  how do i solve that?
[23:28] <James147> arpan: I dont think that will rename the xorg.conf file
[23:28] <James147> or touch it at all
[23:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> ok, renamed
[23:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> now what, restart?
[23:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> or uh..
[23:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> o.o
[23:31] <FloodBotK1> Spaz_Dynamic: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:31] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: try to start x
[23:31] <James147> ie "startx" or "sudo start kdm"
[23:32] <kyle____> checking for kernel linux/autoconf.h... no that is what i get when i try to use the installer for my driver, how do i solve this??
[23:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> looks same as before
[23:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> for start x
[23:33] <James147> kyle____: what are you trying to install a driver for? Kubuntu should have everything you need if not isntalled then in the repos
[23:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> and kdm is apparently already running
[23:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> >.>
[23:34] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: can you pastebin teh output?
[23:34] <James147> heh
[23:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> no as the computer isn't online and its a terminal
[23:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh, you mean type it out
[23:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[23:34] <James147> alt+ctrl+F7  (or F8) and see if tis running
[23:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> no, not quite, but it loaded a lot more stuff this time it looks like
[23:35] <kyle____> because as i said before the driver that comes with ubuntu does not work on this audio card. and there is nothing in the repos for it. what i do have is a cd that came with the MB that has the driver i need on it.
[23:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> i think
[23:36] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sudo stop kdm    then try startx
[23:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> same result
[23:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> or i think
[23:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> it looks mostly the same
[23:37] <kyle____> so any idea as to how to fix the problem?  its probably something small and stupid
[23:37] <James147> what error is it faling on?
[23:37] <kyle____> checking for kernel linux/autoconf.h... no
[23:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> looks like its seg faulting
[23:38] <arpan> James147: would it help him to remove the ATI prop driver and reboot?
[23:38] <James147> arpan: without an xorg.conf it should use the open drivers, remoing the proprityone probally wont help
[23:38] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: hmm
[23:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah
[23:39] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: well, I would suggest running a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo install -f" to make sure everything is installed and uptodate and not brooken
[23:39] <Mass0Car> hi all, I am having a strange problem on my GFs sony vaio with kubuntu installed. when we click on an internet link it seems to open up a ton of windows
[23:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> "caught signal 11 (segmentation fault) sever aborting consult x.org foundation support at [their wiki]
[23:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> james, but my wifi isn't working xD
[23:40] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: that why I said i would suggest... :)
[23:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> hmmm
[23:41] <gigasoft> how can i install  kubuntu 64 bit on i5 pricessors  ?
[23:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> is there a way i could like, boot off of the 10.10 install cd and then run commands, assuming I can get it to load the right drivers for my wifi?
[23:42] <Mass0Car> after a while I get a message saying "unable to run command specified. the file or folder file:///home/jax/.wine/dosdevice/z:/var/tmp/kdecache-jax/krun/19800.0.output.apsx does not exist
[23:42] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh hell, is there some way I could get my ethernet on the desktop to connect to my laptop and access the internet though that?
[23:43] <James147> Mass0Car: which pprogram are you using to acces the internet?
[23:43] <Mass0Car> well it happens when clicking on links in kmail
[23:43] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sorry, not entirly sure what else to do without a internet connection :S
[23:43] <Mass0Car> and when trying to download new kde themes
[23:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> you see my previous message?
[23:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> i mean, i'm on my laptop in front of my desktop
[23:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> if I could use the wifi from my laptop with a cat5 to my desktop
[23:45] <Mass0Car> does anyone have any ideas?
[23:46] <arpan> Mass0Car: can't think of any reason why clicking a link in kmail should try to open a local .aspx file in wine config directory
[23:47] <arpan> Spaz_Dynamic: you can try for that but i don't have any idea if it will work or not
[23:47] <Mass0Car> no neither could I
[23:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> hrm
[23:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> maybe i'll just go get a 40 or so foot cable at the store
[23:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> just so I don't have to move my desktop
[23:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[23:48] <arpan> :D
[23:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> (also, it would prevent this sort of thing from happening again)
[23:49] <arpan> Mass0Car: can you check what's inside the dosdevice directory mentioned in the path?
[23:50] <arpan> Mass0Car: I never needed/used wine so can't help with that. sorry.
[23:50] <shaka> whois
[23:51] <Mass0Car> no probs
[23:51] <Mass0Car> i will keep digging
[23:53] <James147> Mass0Car: sorry, what browser are you using?
[23:53] <Mass0Car> firefox
[23:53] <arpan> alrighty 4:20a now, gotta go to bed.. ciao
[23:57] <kubuntuuser> test
[23:58] <Mass0Car> thanks for the help, I need some sleep now. will try again tomorrow
[23:58] <kubuntuuser> hello, I updated to maverick and now it isn't possible to change the kdm-theme anymore
[23:59] <kubuntuuser> I found that bug from 2008 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866423 it seems to be the same bug