[00:00] <JamesJRH> I share the network to friends at college using an access point.
[00:00] <JamesJRH> This will now mean that /they/ can switch on the gateway too.
[00:01] <JamesJRH> :D
[00:01] <JamesJRH> as no password is required!
[00:04] <JamesJRH> All I need to do now is set up NM dispatcher to 'sudo ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1430'.
[00:05] <JamesJRH> There really should be an MTU setting for mobile broadband.
[00:15] <JamesJRH> Hey! It's seems cnetworkmanager has been replaced with nmcli since last year. It's built in to NM and is therefore available without installation on Natty.
[00:16] <JamesJRH> rww: Check out nmcli.
[00:18] <ceed^> I'm having these small touchpad (Synaptic) problems in natty. Sometimes boxes like "Save" and "Cancel" in programs can't be clicked. I have to tab to them and then hit enter. One example is in the Synaptic package manager when installing. I can not click either "Apply" or "Cancel" in the popup window. I have to tab to one of them and hit enter. Any ideas what may be wrong?
[00:19] <kyubutsu> i've seen that too..
[00:20] <kyubutsu> and since yesterday desktop effects are kinda buggy too
[00:21] <kyubutsu> we're just going to have to get to launchpad and wait for some updates
[00:23] <ceed^> kyubutsu, what kid of graphics card are you using?
[00:23] <kavurt> i upgraded my computer. it used to connect to wifi with 10.10. but now it can't. but wifi is available under lspci. what can i do?
[00:23] <kyubutsu> radeon hd 5450 with fglrx
[00:24] <ceed^> kyubutsu, I've got nvidia, so it can't be related to that
[00:24] <JamesJRH> ceed^: It's not the touchpad. I have a pointing stick. Buttons work in some places not others. They usually work round the edges.
[00:24] <kyubutsu> definitely a bug
[00:25] <ceed^> JamesJRH, good to now. Thought it was problems with the Synaptic touchpad driver again. It was really messed up a couple of weeks ago and crashed X. Not fun.
[00:25] <ceed^> kyubutsu, I wou like to report it, but it's so "all over the place" that it's hard to point to where the bug belongs
[00:26] <nerdy_kid> anyone know how to speed up compiz on my nvidia geforce 8600M?  minimizing windows is laggy
[00:26] <JamesJRH> GTK maybe...
[00:27] <JamesJRH> It doesn't always happen.
[00:27] <JamesJRH> I can't seem to reproduce the bug right now.
[00:27] <ceed^> JamesJRH, it always happen in the package manager though. When I'm installing something I can never click on "Apply"
[00:28] <kyubutsu> i've experience this in different apps
[00:29] <kyubutsu> but JamesJRH is right, its not a consistent bug, but it is there
[00:30] <JamesJRH> ceed^: Both the big icon with a tick on the main window, and the apply button on the summary dialog are working for me.
[00:30] <ceed^> JamesJRH, it's the buttons on the popup where you confirm installation that isn't working for me.
[00:32] <JamesJRH> ceed^: Can you confirm that it works *anywhere* on the button? Try top, top-right, right, etc..
[00:32] <JamesJRH> Does it highlight on hover?
[00:32] <aroman> hey guys, can anyone tell me how to get multitouch working in Natty on my laptop?
[00:34] <ceed^> JamesJRH, The "Apply" on the popup works on the edges, "Cancel" doesn't work at all. The Apply button on Synaptic itself works fine. Seems to happen more often on popup windows.
[00:35] <ceed^> No sorry, "Cancel" works on the edged also.
[00:35] <JamesJRH> ceed^: Yes, it's the same bug I'm getting.
[00:35] <JamesJRH> (Sometimes getting)
[00:37] <JamesJRH> The bug affects the highlight. If it highlights, it works. If it doesn't highlight it doesn't work.
[00:42] <Kyubey> I need help
[00:43] <Kyubey> I'm trying to use my tv as a monitor for my older laptop that has HDMI
[00:43] <aroman> anyone know how to get two-finger scrolling?
[00:43] <Kyubey> I have a nvidia graphics chip in this
[00:43] <Kyubey> But when I set up the TV as a display, it cuts off a part of the top and left
[00:43] <Kyubey> I have no idea how to fix this
[00:44] <JamesJRH> aroman: Look in Mouse > Touchpad.
[00:46] <JamesJRH> Kyubey: Sounds like a graphics driver bug.
[00:46] <JamesJRH> Maybe file it on Launchpad if not already filed.
[00:47] <JamesJRH> Kyubey: Or a bug in Xorg.
[00:48] <JamesJRH> aroman: Did you find 2 finger scrolling?
[00:50] <JamesJRH> aroman: I've not tried it yet, but I was reading about multitouch earlier.
[00:52] <JamesJRH> (I don't have a multitouchpad yet, but I should have one by Thursday. New laptop! :D )
[00:59] <JamesJRH> aroman: Look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[01:00] <Kyubey> New plan!
[01:00] <Kyubey> Since my TV does have vga, and apparently it supports the 1920*1080 VGA just fine
[01:00] <Kyubey> I'm going to buy a VGA cable and use that instead
[01:00] <JamesJRH> :)
[01:00] <Kyubey> and keep the hdmi for only my xbox/ps3
[01:00] <Kyubey> thanks! :)
[01:01] <JamesJRH> That will probably work, as HDMI drivers/support is not mature.
[01:02] <Internat> that makes me cry
[01:02] <Internat> it really does.
[01:03] <JamesJRH> Kyubey: I'm suprised you don't have one. I have 2 or 3 unused VGA cables.
[01:03] <JamesJRH> Internat: What does?
[01:04] <JamesJRH> ceed^: Can't find an existing bug report anywhere.
[01:05] <JamesJRH> for the dodgy buttons.
[01:07] <JamesJRH> ceed^: If you file it let me know, so I can vote for it.
[01:07] <ceed^> JamesJRH, Okay, I will let you know
[01:07] <JamesJRH> Thanks.
[01:15] <JamesJRH> In FF4, why does ^Q not ask me to save and quit?
[01:16] <JamesJRH> It just discards all my tabs without warning.
[01:19] <Internat> JamesJRH: the lack of decent hdmi audio support
[01:19] <Waldii> i blacklistet a kernelmodule in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but it is still loaded :<
[01:21] <JamesJRH> Internat: HDMI is new, proprietary, and riddled with DRM. Of course it's not well supported yet.
[01:23] <JamesJRH> Actually, I think it's an open standard, but nevertheless, it /is/ riddled with DRM technology.
[01:25] <Internat> oh i understand the reasons behind it. doesnt mean it doesnt make me cry :(
[01:26] <JamesJRH> Lol.
[01:27] <Flynsarmy> If 11.04 is being released on the 28th, shouldn't an RC be out by now? or are they not having one this time around?
[01:28] <aguitel> Flynsarmy, no rc
[01:28] <JamesJRH> I think DRM is the only thing I don't like about HDMI.
[01:28] <Internat> just a bit painful when your building a media pc, and you want everythign going over hdmi, and then you struggle with audio
[01:28] <Internat> i can get basic audio. but having to screw with modprobe.conf to get it to even do that is annoying.
[01:29] <JamesJRH> Flynsarmy: No RCs. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:34] <JamesJRH> Internat: I'm yet to test Natty (Mythbuntu) on a media center I built last year. The HDMI graphics output was low resolution. :(
[01:35] <JamesJRH> Hopefully fixed now.
[01:36] <JamesJRH> In FF4, why does ^Q not ask me to save and quit?
[01:36] <JamesJRH> It just discards all my tabs without warning.
[01:37] <Flynsarmy> Internat: Out of curiosity - I have a media center PC with HDMI out plugged into an amp plugged into a PC. It's currently running windows and whenever I turn the TV off, the resolution changes down from 1920 to like 800 or something. Does Ubuntu have that same problem for you?
[01:37] <aguitel> anyone try nvidia drivers with Geoforce FX 5200 ?
[01:38] <Flynsarmy> Internat: errr, HDMI out plugged into amp plugged into TV :)
[01:45] <bitplane> I just raised this on Banshee: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648717
[01:45] <bitplane> should it also exist on ubuntu's bug tracker?
[01:48] <JamesJRH> In FF4, why does ^Q not ask me to save and quit?
[01:48] <JamesJRH> It just discards all my tabs without warning.
[01:49] <Flynsarmy> JamesJRH: chrome does that to me. real annoying
[01:49] <Flynsarmy> JamesJRH: did you check the tab preferences?
[01:50] <JamesJRH> Flynsarmy: Yeah, but Chrome/Chromium never did that, FF3 did.
[01:50] <JamesJRH> Yes.
[01:51] <JamesJRH> "Warn me when closing multiple tabs" is checked. Very annoying.
[01:52] <BUGabundo> nn
[01:53] <JamesJRH> nn?
[01:53] <BUGabundo> nighty night
[01:54] <JamesJRH> GN.
[01:56] <JamesJRH> I think FF4 does things differently. But how? What this tab grouping feature, can groups be saved?
[01:57] <JamesJRH> What's*
[01:58] <Waldii> peace ~ www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5SkO7rOSSg
[01:59] <Stameni> hello
[01:59] <Stameni> I have just installed gnome 3 in 11.04
[01:59] <Stameni> and unity and regular gnome crashed
[01:59] <Stameni> is there any way to fix this
[01:59] <Stameni> or it is better and quicker to reinstall it ?
[02:06] <KM0201> Stameni, i reinstalled, it was easier.
[02:07] <Stameni> KM0201 tnx, I`ll do that too
[02:07] <jbicha> Stameni: do you know how to do ppa-purge?
[02:08] <Stameni> no, I don`t, if i learn abat that, that will fix my problem ?
[02:08] <jbicha> yes, but in the future don't install the Gnome 3 PPA, some things in there are broken
[02:09] <KM0201> Stameni, i was able to successfully remove gnome-shell.. but it made my system very unstable, and unity never booted again (although ubuntu-classic did)
[02:09] <KM0201> so i just reinstalled, it was less headache
[02:09] <Stameni> KM0201 i will reinstall too ... thank you
[02:10] <Stameni> jbicha, thank you too
[02:10] <KM0201> Stameni, YMMV though, i would try uninstalling it, see if you have better luck.
[02:11] <Stameni> i just figured out that I will anyway install final relese in day or two, so better to reinstall
[02:17] <jbicha> it's basically finally release now anyway
[02:24] <JamesJRH> Waldii: Totally off-topic, but you may be interested in this: http://ripple-project.org/
[03:03] <jbwiv> guys, how does one reach the various preferences and admin apps in unity?
[03:04] <jbwiv> and...is there a way to turn off the auto-hide behavior of the launcher?
[03:05] <arand_> jbwiv: I think so yes, look in gconf or ccsm
[03:06] <jbwiv> arand_, ok, thanks
[03:07] <fuzzybunny69y> Hey guys! Everytime I startup my computer Dropbox, Skype Call Recorder and workrave pop up because there is no system tray/notification area. Is there anyway to get this to stop happening?
[03:08] <jbwiv> looks like right-clicking the power icon will get you to System Settings. Odd :-/
[03:09] <KM0201> when is fedora 15 due to be released?
[03:10] <KM0201> woops
[03:10] <drc> June, iirc ?
[03:14] <hardcold> hello, I'm using Natty and in the "mouse" preference, there is only one speed setting for all devices (touchpad, plug in mouse, trackpoint)
[03:15] <hardcold> It's frustrating to have to adjust this every time I plug in a mouse
[03:15] <hardcold> any suggestions?
[03:17] <hypodermia> god. it's painful to wait these last couple of days
[03:18] <KM0201> hypodermia, not really.. :)
[03:18] <KM0201> is there gonna be a releae party channle?
[03:18] <hypodermia> yes
[03:18] <KM0201> !release-party
[03:18] <KM0201> releaseparty
[03:18] <drc> hypodermia: And what do you think is going to change in the next couple of days?
[03:19] <hypodermia> drc: i suppose i can grab the final release and get this computer shit out of the way
[03:19] <trism> KM0201: see the /topic
[03:19] <KM0201> trism, missed that.. :0
[03:19] <drc> hypodermia: grap the latest daily and update and you can have it in a couple of hours
[03:19] <hypodermia> drc: that's a clever plan. why didn't i think of that?
[03:19] <IdleOne> KM0201: also !party but yeah /topic :)
[03:20] <hypodermia> !party
[03:21]  * drc plans to party like it's 1999
[03:33] <EpicCyndaquil> I'm running Unity on my Cr48, and I'd like to be able to start the launcher with the "search" key. Is there a terminal command to start the launcher?
[03:34] <EpicCyndaquil> or another way to emulate the press of "Super", since there is no super on it?
[03:34] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: in ccsm on the unity plugin you can set the key to show the launcher, can you set it to the search key there?
[03:34] <EpicCyndaquil> well the search key is a media key, can configure it in KeyTouch
[03:35] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: otherwise you could use: xdotool key Super
[03:35] <EpicCyndaquil> installing xdotool, I'll give it a shot
[03:36] <EpicCyndaquil> hm, oddly, the search key is bound in some other way, as it brings up "search for files"
[03:37] <rww> !release-party is <alias> party
[03:37] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: yeah it is bring up the home dash for me, although I disabled hiding the launcher
[03:38] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: oh, I meant using xdotool and the Super key, not the search key
[03:38] <EpicCyndaquil> trism: I still don't understand, why is it bringing up this search?
[03:39] <EpicCyndaquil> and yes, that's what I'm doing, that isn't the issue (at least I don't think so)
[03:40] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: hmm, just using the Super key (without xdotool) does the same thing
[03:40] <EpicCyndaquil> okay, well I disabled the search key in Keyboard Shortcut
[03:42] <EpicCyndaquil> but I don't know how to assign a new shortcut to the panel opening
[03:42] <EpicCyndaquil> do you know where I can do that?
[03:42] <EpicCyndaquil> *launcher open
[03:43] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: I see the issue, it seems you need to hold Super to show the launcher, just clicking it brings up the dash
[03:43] <EpicCyndaquil> I don't believe so, typing in "xdotool key Super" in terminal works
[03:46] <EpicCyndaquil> Where can I reconfigure the launcher open option?
[03:46] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: ccsm in the unity plugin
[03:46] <EpicCyndaquil> as in, if I wanted it to be a key other than Super?
[03:46] <EpicCyndaquil> how exactly do I get there?
[03:46] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: install compizconfig-settings-manager and it will show up in System Settings
[03:47] <EpicCyndaquil> ah
[03:47] <EpicCyndaquil> strange that this is done within comipz
[03:47] <EpicCyndaquil> *compiz
[03:50] <EpicCyndaquil> got it working
[03:50] <EpicCyndaquil> all that information compiled together :)
[03:51] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: excellent
[03:55] <EpicCyndaquil> also, can I disable the Gnome compatibility in CompizConfig?
[03:56] <EpicCyndaquil> or is it needed for Gnome apps?
[03:56] <EpicCyndaquil> (I'm new to Unity)
[03:57] <syn-ack> EpicCyndaquil, it's needed. Leave it alone.
[03:58] <EpicCyndaquil> I figured as much
[03:58] <syn-ack> Leave the Unity plugin alone too
[03:59] <EpicCyndaquil> of course. Can xdotool simulate multiple key presses? Such as "Ctrl+Shift+Alt <something>"?
[03:59] <barbazel> hey, is anyone out there running unity on Sandybridge?
[04:00] <syn-ack> EpicCyndaquil, it should be able to
[04:00] <EpicCyndaquil> is that the format I'd use?
[04:00] <syn-ack> Don't know
[04:00] <syn-ack> I use the tools that come with Gnome
[04:01] <barbazel> because unity (I suspect the culprit is compiz 0.9x) locks up on me every few seconds, for a second or so when I'm using it
[04:01] <EpicCyndaquil> indeed, that does work, just using the + operator
[04:01] <barbazel> its really irritating
[04:03] <jbwiv> the new launcher doesn't allow you to pass arguments to the application, or for that matter run other applications that don't appear in the launcher, like alt+f2 used to. Is there a way to get this behavior back?
[04:03] <jbwiv> or mimic it in some way?
[04:08] <trism> jbwiv: not sure I understand, I just did alt+f2, gnome-terminal -x top; and it worked, for clicking in the launcher you can create custom launchers (right click the desktop, create launcher) and drag them over (or drag them to another folder and then drag them over so they don't clutter your desktop)
[04:11] <jbwiv> trism, ah...interesting. you are correct. I tried that once before and it didn't work, but it must've been my mistake
[04:11] <jbwiv> sorry ;-/
[04:11] <EpicCyndaquil> sweet, thanks so much trism for xdotool, I love this thing
[04:11] <trism> jbwiv: no problem, there are very likely bugs there, maybe you hit one
[04:12] <trism> EpicCyndaquil: yes, it is very useful
[04:27] <EpicCyndaquil> small problem: After maximizing a terminal window, the top bar of Unity isn't showing, just a black bar
[04:31] <lucas-arg> hey all... i dont know if this happened to anyone but... for some reason some times when i boot ubuntu, ubuntu stops booting giving me some irq error and caps lock light start flashing... anyone?
[04:33] <EpicCyndaquil> lucas-arg: I got a kernal error the other day that did that, did you play around with installing/uninstalling gnome-shell?
[04:33] <lucas-arg> EpicCyndaquil: nope... plain ubuntu installation...
[04:34] <lucas-arg> EpicCyndaquil: i dont even know how to report that bug in launchpad since i dont know where to look at in the logs
[04:35] <lucas-arg> started happening after a plymouth upgrade... i hate plymouth
[04:38] <lucas-arg> i hope some dev reads this
[04:41] <BitOperator> In unity; is there a way to rearrange the launchers on the left side ?
[04:42] <helloEARTH> BitOperator: Off the top of my head, i think you just drag it a bit to the right then you can move it up or down
[04:42] <lucas-arg> BitOperator: click and hold... while holding the mouse button take it off the dock and move it where u want to place the icon... it should move...
[04:42] <BitOperator> neat
[04:43] <BitOperator> thanks
[04:43] <kaushal> hi
[04:43] <kaushal> I have local ubuntu mirror, Can i populate the 11.04 repository, since it is not yet released ?
[04:44] <arand_> kaushal: Should be possible, I mean the state it is in now is very similar to what it will be upon release.
[04:44] <kaushal> ok
[04:47] <kaushal> is it natty,natty-security,natty-updates ?
[04:48] <kaushal> where can i see the repositories pockets ?
[04:49] <kaushal> arand_: you around ?
[04:50] <arand_> kaushal: just "natty [list of sections]"
[04:50] <kaushal> arand_: not sure i understand that ?
[04:50] <kaushal> "natty [list of sections]" ?
[04:51] <arand_> Security updates are "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty-security main restriced universe multiverse" normal
[04:52] <arand_> kaushal: Oh, hang on, you are actually correct, nevermind :D
[04:52] <kaushal> arand_: where can i see the lists
[04:53] <BitOperator> Hmm, can the beta be upgraded to final ?
[04:53] <arand_> kaushal: I don't know, this is mine: http://paste.debian.net/115194/
[04:53] <arand_> !final | BitOperator
[04:53] <BitOperator> Excellent, thankyou.
[04:57] <cpatrick08> cant wait for natty to come out but i cant decide if i love unity or not just glad i got the option for ubuntu classic if i decide i dont
[04:57] <aguitel> anyone try nvidia drivers with Geoforce FX 5200 ?
[05:25] <hanasaki> how do I get the mouse to switch btween desktops with wobbly windows?
[05:36] <EpicCyndaquil> how do I configure compiz to not have the focused window follow me from workspace to workspace?
[05:49] <EpicCyndaquil> where can I report a bug?
[05:52] <Logan_> !bug | EpicCyndaquil
[05:54] <EpicCyndaquil> what is the name of the top bar within Unity?
[05:54] <EpicCyndaquil> (the one at the very top of the screen)
[05:54] <andycc> EpicCyndaquil, I believe it's called a panel.
[05:58] <EpicCyndaquil> thank you.
[05:58] <aroman> hi guys, so after doing a little test‌ing, I have discovered  that compiz is freezy (it hangs when doing any 3D things intermittently). I would normally downgrade to maverick, bBut  my my laptop (very new Dell with Sandybridge) needs the maverick kernel to work properly. Is there some way I can downgrade compiz to 0.8x on Natty?
[05:59] <aroman> i realize that would break unity, but as it is right now, its not worth it I'm afraid
[06:01] <andycc> aroman, if Compiz is messing with your laptop, why use it? You can revert to a classic GNOME desktop or Unity 2D.
[06:02] <aroman> andycc: because I like compiz, and its not compiz in general (I don't think at least) thats causing the issue, it's just the 0.9x series which is still not stable iirc
[06:03] <aroman> though i'm willing to try unity 2D; how would I go about doing that?
[06:05] <micahg> aroman: install unity-2d, change at GDM login
[06:06] <EpicCyndaquil> I think I might have just solved a bug
[06:06] <EpicCyndaquil> I'm shocked at myself
[06:07] <andycc> aroman, I believe you can also install the Natty kernel in Maverick.
[06:07] <aroman> andycc: ah that might work
[06:07] <andycc> I see http://www.chimerarevo.com/2011/02/07/ubuntu-10-10-come-installare-il-kernel-2-6-38/ as a guide (it's in Italian, though).
[06:07] <aroman> I'll need the natty version of xorg too
[06:08] <EpicCyndaquil> except now I'm having that window following issue again...
[06:08] <jan__> hello, I run Natty on virtualBox, and I cannot resize the Alt+F2 panel. The Panel cover the whole screen. Is there a way to resize it, and where ?
[06:12] <jbicha> jan__: does the Dash cover the whole screen also?
[06:13] <aroman> my dash convers the whole scren
[06:13] <aroman> i thought that was normal?
[06:20] <alex__> is there any way to move the 11.04 sidebar to the  bottom of the screen?
[06:20] <jan__> yes
[06:20] <alex__> jan__ how?
[06:21] <alex__> is it possible to get kde on 11.04?
[06:21] <rww> alex__: yes
[06:21] <alex__> rww: how?
[06:21] <rww> install the 'kubuntu-desktop' package
[06:21] <jan__> how ?
[06:21] <alex__> rww: i couldnt find it in the software center
[06:22] <sagaci> alex__: install kubuntu 11.04
[06:22] <rww> alex__: update your package lists. The command-line for it is sudo apt-get update; I don't know how to do it in GUI because I don't use GNOME.
[06:23] <alex__> rww: i still cant find it
[06:23] <andycc> jan__, wait, you can move the dock to the bottom of the screen?
[06:23] <rww> alex__: copy the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and link the page it creates here
[06:24] <jbicha> perhaps click Show technical items
[06:24] <jbicha> jan__: what's your VBox screen resolution?
[06:25] <alex__> rww: sry i couldnt get ur last message
[06:26] <rww> alex__: run "apt-cache policy" in a Terminal. Copy and paste the output into http://paste.ubuntu.com/ . Take the address of the page it gives you and put it in this channel.
[06:26] <andycc> alex__, search for kubuntu-desktop in the software center; to update your package lists, run the Update Manager and hit "Check".
[06:27] <andycc> ("kubuntu-desktop", not just "kubuntu" or "kubuntu desktop")
[06:27] <alex__> andycc: i found it in the synaptic package manager
[06:28] <jan__> I did it cover my xhole screen : 1366x768
[06:28] <jan__> I can move the dock ?
[06:28] <jan__> andycc: I don't understand
[06:29] <alex__> how do you move the sidebar?
[06:29] <jan__> I scroll
[06:29] <andycc> jan__, Alex asked if you can move the Unity dock and you (presumably) replied with "yes".
[06:29] <jan__> sorry
[06:30] <alex__> jan__: so is it possible?
[06:30] <jan__> I don't see where I could do it :/
[06:30] <jbicha> jan__: try http://askubuntu.com/q/36341/1579 for instructions on switching to desktop mode
[06:30] <andycc> alex__, no, you can't move the dock.
[06:30] <alex__> jan__: i think i saw an option in compizconfig, but it didn't do anything
[06:33] <alex__> this is a really stupid question, but how do you make another bar like the one at the top?
[06:34] <andycc> alex__, in Unity? Not exactly possible.
[06:36] <alex__> lol the sidebar is a ripoff of windows 7
[06:36] <alex__> bye everyone, and thanks for the help
[06:38] <CT_down> hey guys, new user here.  Usb wireless adapter worked out of the box (driver: rt2800usb version 2.6.38-8), but it throttles like crazy, while updating my packages sees speeds from 300 kb/s to 239 B/s). I have no such problems from windows.  No 3rd party drivers listed either.  What can I do?  Power management is on, think turning that off would help at all, and how would i do so? or can i up...
[06:38] <CT_down> ...the radio power?
[06:38] <jan__> I've tried the askubuntu thing and I could have a minimal panel with gsettings set com.canonical.Unity form-factor 'Desktop'
[06:39] <jan__> Thanks
[06:41] <hanasaki> running nautilus results in Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
[06:41] <hanasaki> aborting...
[06:50] <David_HII> can somone help me diagnose sendmail connection refused problems
[06:54] <vooze> Okay, decided i dont like unity, going for gnome 3 now :D
[06:57] <BlueLaguna> Is there any way to rearrange the indicator applets at the top of the screen in Natty?
[06:59] <arand> BlueLaguna: I don't think so no..
[07:01] <vooze> thats why i dont like unity.. it cant make it "yours" :)
[07:05] <envisean> is anyone familiar w/ bonding in 11.04's beta?
[07:05] <envisean> i'm having some issues bringing the old configs for /etc/network/interfaces over to 11.04 and getting bonding to startup properly
[07:10] <andycc> Okay, so I 'upgraded' to GNOME 3 as per the instructions on AskUbuntu, restarted, and now my desktop is ugly as hell and the Adwaita theme is nowhere to be found. Does anyone know in which package it's supposed to be?
[07:11] <rww> andycc: remove gnome-accessibility-themes and install gnome-themes
[07:11] <rww> not sure if those package names are right :S
[07:12] <andycc> rww, no such luck. I already have gnome-themes installed, and removing gnome-accessibility-themes does nothing.
[07:15] <rww> hrm, odd. that made it work for me.
[07:16] <andycc> I guess I'll try restarting again.
[07:16]  * andycc searches for the restart button
[07:25] <cdbs> andycc: Install gnome-themes-standard
[07:25] <cdbs> andycc: That's a major catch
[07:25] <cdbs> andycc: remove gnome-accessibility-themes
[07:26]  * cdbs is a GNOME3 PPA developer
[07:26] <andycc> cdbs, okay, will do...
[07:28] <andycc> cdbs, finally, it works! Well, kind of.
[07:28] <andycc> I get the GTK theme, but not the correct window borders.
[07:31] <mbn_18> Hi, how do I add widgets to the top toolbar in Natty ( Unity ) ?
[07:32] <mbn_18> Is it possible at all?
[07:35] <cdbs> andycc: Set it so in System Settings
[07:35] <arand> mbn_18: I don't think it's supposed to be possible at least..
[07:35] <andycc> Okay, logging out and in fixed the window decoration, many thanks to cdbs again! Just one other question, does anyone know what happened to the Cantarell font?
[07:35] <cdbs> andycc: I dunno, well, you're welcome. Does GDM theme well now?
[07:36] <cdbs> andycc: And, I guess nm-applet still seems out of place
[07:36] <mbn_18> I see Unity call them app indicators
[07:36] <cdbs> mbn_18: Which applet do you need?
[07:36] <mbn_18> Also found a list on askubuntu.copm but I dont know how to install one of those
[07:37] <andycc> cdbs, GDM is properly themed with Adwaita, but the fonts are horrible. nm-applet looks okay with the ubuntu-mono-dark icon theme.
[07:37] <mbn_18> I used to have some metrics like networ/cpu/etc...
[07:37] <cdbs> andycc: You can change fonts with gnome-tweak-tool, also in the PPA
[07:38] <andycc> cdbs, yes, but the Cantarell font isn't installed, and searching for it in the apt database yields nothing.
[07:38] <cdbs> andycc: I use the Ubuntu font with GNOME3, it looks good
[07:40] <freaky[t]> cdbs: ubuntu have gnome3? oO
[07:40] <rww> !gnome3
[07:41] <freaky[t]> ok i dont want them to break my system ;D
[07:41] <freaky[t]> thanks
[07:41] <cdbs> freaky[t]: Its in a PPA, and it works well, its just that you need some spare time, thought, patience and you need to know how to ask for help
[07:41] <freaky[t]> ill stick to gnome classic
[07:41] <freaky[t]> ubuntu classic
[07:41] <cdbs> freaky[t]: It works well in my case, but still its *experimental*, and many users have borked up their system with i
[07:41] <cdbs> t
[07:42] <cdbs> There's also no proper downgrade path, though I managed to downgrade successfully, with some hackin' here and there
[07:42] <freaky[t]> yes i will not use it thank you
[07:42] <Logiar> Bah
[07:42] <Logiar> my laptop seems to hate linux now
[07:43] <mbn_18> Logiar: ick it in the nuts
[07:43] <Logiar> first it froze on syslinux so i tried unetbootin and it freezes there too
[07:44] <mbn_18> Logiar: your installing using the USB?
[07:44] <Logiar> in syslinux it showed the version number and such then a flashing line but threw no errors
[07:44] <Logiar> yeah
[07:44] <mbn_18> Logiar: the FS of the USB should be FAT32
[07:44] <Logiar> it is
[07:45] <mbn_18> I had problems installing USB in old comp
[07:45] <mbn_18> Try CD ?
[07:45] <vooze> I have decided to stay with unity insted of gnome3, but where is all the settings etc. etc. ? Used to be in the top at the left
[07:45] <cdbs> vooze: Which settings?
[07:45] <Logiar> not possible to use cd
[07:46] <mbn_18> vooze: check the power button
[07:46] <arand> vooze: System setting in the shutdown menu afaik
[07:46] <cdbs> vooze: You can get Unity configuration options in CCSM
[07:46] <cdbs> vooze: for all other options, check the shutdown menu
[07:46] <vooze> ah there it was, thanks guys :)
[07:47] <cdbs> We just did a usability test on vooze :) Its a bug: Users not able to find settings
[07:47] <vooze> agree ;)
[07:47] <vooze> well its fine up there, just did not see it ;D
[07:47] <mbn_18> Logiar: What error it throw?
[07:47] <arand> I really do hope they reconsider either the menu symbol, or the location of the settings on oo...
[07:47] <El_Che> I fear the worst for unity, but so far so good. It does not feel slow nor buggy.
[07:47] <El_Che> feared
[07:47] <Logiar> mbn_18: as i said, it doesn't
[07:48] <cdbs> El_Che: Believe me, it'll be a success
[07:48] <vooze> cdbs, but what do you mean by unity configuration in CCSM? what is CCSM?
[07:48] <cdbs> vooze: Install compizconfig-settings-manager package, and start up ccsm by running 'ccsm' on the command lin
[07:49] <Logiar> Gaaah.. okay the problem might be with the acpi being wrong and causing a lock when there's a usb device connected
[07:49] <cdbs> vooze: A faster way, install compizconfig-settings-manager first, then type alt+f2, then type about:config and press enter, and that's it
[07:49] <Logiar> hrm
[07:49] <El_Che> cdbs: I have two worries. The gnome3/unity split, and I wonder how less technical people (read my wife, parents) will handle the interface when they don't memorize keyboard shortcuts
[07:50] <mbn_18> Logiar: Do you get to the point where you can append text to the boot command?
[07:50] <cdbs> El_Che: GNOME3 is even more neckbeard-y :)
[07:50] <Logiar> not using syslinux
[07:51] <cdbs> El_Che: Unity is simpler, I did a test by giving my laptop to my father for a day, and he liked it very much
[07:51] <vooze> El_Che, i just tryed gnome3, its nothing like gnome2.. i like unity better than gnome3
[07:51] <cdbs> vooze: I feel the same here
[07:51] <cdbs> Unity is like a proper transition for gnome2 users
[07:51] <El_Che> I haven't had the "need" so far to try gnome3 yet. Weird. Means that unity does wat it should do
[07:52]  * cdbs dual-boots Ubuntu and Fedora
[07:52] <vooze> i just tryed it 30 mins ago.. and it was not really as user friend as gnome2
[07:52] <El_Che> Nevertheless I find unity annoying without the alt-shift-up keyboard shortcut
[07:53] <vooze> cdbs, is fedore so good? many years since i tryed it
[07:53] <El_Che> and it's a little hidden for non technical users (read the will only use the mouse)
[07:53] <vooze> back when i was only using linux for servers
[07:53] <Logiar> using unetbootin i get the command line if i select test memory, it throws "cannot load a ramdisk with an old kernel image." then the command line
[07:55] <arand> vooze: It's very nice for trying out gnome3, F15 seems to be coming a long nicely..
[07:56] <arand> Is it just me thinking that in the end, gnome3 and unity ended up quite similar after all..?
[07:56] <vooze> guess it might try it some day
[07:57] <El_Che> thinking about it, unity is a pretty ironic name :)
[07:58] <arand> El_Che: Extremely.
[07:59] <Logiar> Oh man
[08:06] <ircrob> can ubuntu kernel be changed to compile usb modules instead of in kernel
[08:09] <ircrob> how do i stop udev loading tg3 net module ?
[08:10] <mbn_18> ircrob: delete it?
[08:11] <ircrob> guess i will have to do that
[08:12] <mbn_18> ircrob: better move it
[08:13] <ircrob> did what it said in /etc/udev/rules.d/README but no luck
[08:17] <ircrob> what is best way to send request to ubuntu kernel developers ?
[08:18] <arand> ircrob: Report a bug
[08:19] <arand> ircrob: Or post to the mailing list, possibly.
[08:20] <ircrob> this channel is logged, do they read it ?
[08:21] <mbn_18> ircrob: its not working like this
[08:27] <somethinginteres> hi all, I am trying to connect to my iPad through the Network using the Wifi sharing aspect of Goodreader. See: http://www.goodreader.net/gr-man-tr-wifi.html I can see my iPad in Network but I can't access it,  I'm getting the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/599649/
[08:33] <eee_> quit
[08:50] <eagles0513875> whene is release day for natty anyway
[08:50] <SwedeMike> !schedule | eagles0513875
[08:51] <eagles0513875> thanks
[09:01] <cdbs> vooze: Its okay, I just installed it to get a taste of it. Its not as user-friendly as Ubuntu, and Yum is somewhat slow, apart from that is good
[09:01] <cdbs> Oh, and Gnome Shell can somewhat be restricting
[09:02] <psalden> figured I'd try to load the most recent natty images through usb once more, but they're still not working for me... is there any sort of known issue related to that?
[09:03] <vooze> cdbs, ah okay :)
[09:14] <Starminn> Any way to get Banshee to display lyrics?
[09:16] <somethinginteres> Starminn: a lyrics plugin did exist
[09:17] <Starminn> somethinginteres: If it's the one I think you're thinking of, it broke my Banshee and I had to go through and find and delete all traces of the plugin by hand before I could run Banshee again.
[09:17] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Any others? :)
[09:18] <somethinginteres> Starminn: having a gander now
[09:18] <vooze> Is it possbile to lock the new unity "screen aka. the place where all programs are run from??
[09:18] <vooze> so it dont go away move the mouse moves
[09:19] <somethinginteres> Starminn: I am thinking of the one listed here: http://banshee.fm/download/extensions/
[09:19] <vooze> nvm, found it :)
[09:20] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Not the one I was thinking of. :) I never saw that one. If I may ask, how did you come across that?
[09:22] <somethinginteres> Starminn: Just went to the banshee website which is http://banshe.fm and went to the section linked at the bottom of the site "Extensions" from there I saw that it was part of the "community extensions" package which you can download from there
[09:23] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Wow..... And here I always used search engines... I guess sometimes the old fashioned way is the best. (I'm downloading them now, I'll let you know how it goes)
[09:23] <traskers> Do Unity quicklists work in Unity 2D? I had some set up in 3D but was having issues with other things, and now when I log into 2D they aren't available.
[09:23] <somethinginteres> Starminn: awesome. It looks like you need to build them yourself
[09:24] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Read above the "build from git" -- there's a repo for them,
[09:24] <somethinginteres> Starminn: ah, awesome
[09:25] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Thank you so, so very much. It works like a charm, man. Can't even begin to explain my gratitude. :)
[09:26] <somethinginteres> Starminn: haha no worries man!
[09:26] <Starminn> somethinginteres: (By the way, this is Banshee running on Ubuntu 10.10, but I knew I'd get more Banshee help here, and Banshee == Banshee no matter what I'm running. *shrug*)
[09:26] <Starminn> somethinginteres: So, my apologies for the non-supported version, but hey, whatever, lol. Again, thanks a ton.
[09:26] <qfd> ubuntu comes one day !
[09:29] <somethinginteres> Starminn: no problem. Just FYI in case you do need banshee help again at some point and the ubuntu channel yeilds no results there's a banshee specific IRC channel too
[09:29] <Starminn> somethinginteres: I tried a few different channels, but I could never find it. I wanted to ask in the Banshe channel but assumed there wasn't one. Do you happen to know what it is?
[09:30] <somethinginteres> Starminn: it's #banshee on irc.gnome.org
[09:30] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Ah. gnome.org -- that would explain it. It gets hard to get support sometimes when apps are spread across so many different server networks.
[09:30] <Starminn> :)
[09:31] <somethinginteres> Starminn: yeah, you're right :)
[09:33] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Alright, well thanks again, man. Now I have the actual Banshee support channel. :) My many thanks to you -- you are a Saint.
[09:34] <Starminn> ...err, close to it. :)
[09:35] <vooze_> My launcher dont work anymore: i was "playing around" in CCSM, and tryed to activate cube insted of the normal window switcher, and then laucher stopped working.. after reboot it was going.. in gnome2 to write this.. any ideas?
[09:36] <bigbrovar-sgs> hi guys guys . i am having issues booting kubuntu nattty. on my. machine . it always hangs at login . even when i choose for it to boot in saFe mode . it hangs at the safe mode console option . the laptop is an Intel arrandale graphic chip with core i 5
[09:36] <_silentAssassin> i cannot uninstall python-gtk2-dev i get a installation error
[09:36] <somethinginteres> vooze_: "going" after reboot, do you mean it came back?
[09:37] <vooze_> of sorry, i mean gone :)
[09:37] <vooze_> its just a blank dekstop, no menus no nothing :P
[09:37] <somethinginteres> vooze_: long shot but just in case, check that "Unity" is ticked in ccsm
[09:37] <bigbrovar-sgs> it booted fine initially but just got to work and now its hanging.  it did.this before but i reinstalled now.its back
[09:38] <bigbrovar-sgs> i.can not even get how to.boot into console
[09:38] <vooze_> somethinginteres, how should i open ccsm when i have no menues or anyhing ? :D
[09:38] <Starminn> somethinginteres: Any hope that the Cube and Unity will be able to live harmoniously side-by-side at any point in the future?
[09:38] <somethinginteres> vooze_: try ALT+F2 or load it from terminal in GNOME2
[09:39] <somethinginteres> Starminn: no idea :)
[09:39] <Starminn> somethinginteres: :( That's disheartening. Ah well.
[09:40] <vooze_> somethinginteres, ah seems it had deactivated unity in ccsm, trying to reboot into unity now, thanks
[09:40] <somethinginteres> vooze_: no worries, let us know how it goes
[09:48] <vooze> somethinginteres, works allmost now, but i cant seem to move my "windows"
[09:48] <vooze> any idea on that?
[09:48] <vooze> they are just stuck
[09:49] <vooze> like the top of each window is gone
[09:50] <somethinginteres> vooze: hmm, well I just tested something out and it's basically crashed my box lol brb gotta reboot
[09:53] <somethinginteres> vooze: try this "ALT+CTRL+F7"
[09:53] <vooze> nothing
[09:55] <vooze> somethinginteres, : www.vooze.dk/ss.png
[09:55] <somethinginteres> vooze: maybe try asking in #ayatana
[09:55] <freaky[t]> how come with Ubuntu Classic doesnt work any glx stuff like playing games or glxgears the screen jsut goes black?
[09:57] <somethinginteres> vooze: I see. Not really sure, sorry you could try "unity --replace" from terminal or do "ALT+F2" then type "unity --replace" to respawn everything be aware it could require you to restart if there's any errors
[09:58] <drcasper> hi
[09:58] <step21> freaky[t], maybe not the right driver running or 3D disabled?
[09:59] <freaky[t]> im running the driver from additional drivers thing
[09:59] <freaky[t]> how to enable 3d?
[10:00] <vooze> somethinginteres, i got the "top bar" back(the one with wifi, battery etc.) but still cant move windows
[10:03] <drcasper> guys,, i want to install a system manager that displays on my desktop
[10:04] <drcasper> is conky my best bet?
[10:04] <vooze> somethinginteres, #ayatana figured it out, command was unity --reset
[10:05] <somethinginteres> vooze: ah, I see well that's good to know :)
[10:06] <step21> freaky[t], do "glxinfo | grep direct" in a terminal and check what it says
[10:08] <step21> drcasper, why not stick to 1 channel? or just try it and see if you like or not, nobody can know what you will like
[10:14] <Beaslin> hi
[10:14] <Beaslin> weiß jemand, ob es jetzt schon vernünftige unterstützung des fglrx treibers in natty gibt?
[10:14] <bazhang> !de | Beaslin
[10:15] <Beaslin> ah sorry
[10:23] <vooze> quick question; when i open a link it allways open i firefox, even though chrome is my default browser, how to change this?
[10:31] <scoundrel50a> Hi, back last week, with the help of a couple of people on here, I attempted to install mNatty again on my laptop. Took about 4 hours all told because as soon as Natty is booted, the backlight gets turned off. We tried everything to get it working, but ended up having to uninstall Natty, and go back to Maverick, which works perfectly. As tomorrow is the launch date for mNatty, i was just wondering if the backlight problem has been fixed.
[10:35] <vooze> scoundrel50a, did you install beta1 or 2 back then?
[10:35] <vooze> because i had problems installing ubuntu 11.04 beta1 from livecd, but no problem with beta2
[10:36] <step21> vooze, from what program? for x-chat for example you have to change its settings separately I think
[10:41] <qfd> hi
[10:42] <qfd> i have a question
[10:46] <steveire> In maverick when I inserted an SD card it appeared as /media/disk. In natty it appears as /media/1B8D-67AB. Bug or feature?
[10:46] <vooze> step21, ah, i see.. thanks
[10:46] <bazhang> qfd, ask then
[10:47] <somethinginteres> steveire: possibly a bug if it isn't reading the volume label correctly. You might like to ask at #ubuntu-bugs
[11:00] <scoundrel50a> vooze: sorry, getting reasdy to go out, installed beta 1 and 2 and beta 2 from alternative cd install as well. Nothing.
[11:01] <scoundrel50a> computer is only a month old, and its had a bashing already, lol
[11:01] <scoundrel50a> with installs and uninstalls
[11:02] <step21> scoundrel50a, weird ... to track it down, could you maybe make a sort of comparison with differences in driver version from maverick to natty? not now ofc, but some time ...
[11:03] <scoundrel50a> steph21: I will be back about 1pm, and will try then. I will need help for that, as I dont know how to get that information. About to leave now.
[11:04] <scoundrel50a> back later.
[11:04] <step21> okay
[11:51] <JamesJRH> So what time/timezone will it go live tommorow?
[11:53] <head_victim> JamesJRH: there is no set time, it's just when it's ready according to the release manager.
[11:54] <JamesJRH> Will it be available on BitTorrent shortly before it goes live on the website? I want to download it early so I can help seed it.
[11:56] <JamesJRH> I should get up to a share ratio of at least 20.
[11:59] <JamesJRH> I think it should be available on BT about 2 hours before it goes live.
[12:01] <nikolai_> hello all. 11.04 has great out of the box support for my lenovo s10-3 compared to previous releases, but it doesn't seem hibernate or suspend is working properly. when i bring it back from suspend it displays an artifacted non-functional screen and when i bring it back from hibernate it's just a non-functional black screen
[12:02] <nikolai_> any ideas?
[12:02] <head_victim> JamesJRH: that's up to Canonical, and a ratio of 20 is not that great sorry to say, 200 maybe.
[12:02] <Ian_Corne> are you using the OS radeon driver nikolai_ ?
[12:02] <nikolai_> i am not
[12:02] <nikolai_> this netbook uses intel GMA
[12:02] <Ian_Corne> Then i don't know
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> you could check syslog
[12:03] <JamesJRH> head_victim: It's a contribution.
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> to see what's going wrong
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> for hibernation you require at least as much swap space as memory usage
[12:03] <nikolai_> i was thinking maybe the default swap wasn't big enough (2gb ram) but it's 5.86gb which is sufficient i believe
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> yes, that should be sufficient
[12:04] <head_victim> JamesJRH: Indeed, it does all help. The torrents are usually pretty quick when they are release anyway
[12:04] <head_victim> I just run an rsync to a local mirror daily that is both a release and package mirror, makes updating easy ;)
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> Couldn't just download it via http and then replace the torrented file with the complete file?
[12:05] <JamesJRH> head_victim: That's ok then.
[12:05] <nikolai_> so wherein the logs should i be looking?
[12:08] <histo> nikolai_: when you bring it back can you hit alt+F2 and type in r then hit enter?  see if that will bring back the desktop
[12:09] <nikolai_> i'll try that
[12:09] <nikolai_> i know bringing up the terminal works
[12:10] <nikolai_> alt f1 i think?
[12:10] <histo> nikolai_: well doing what I said should restart the gui
[12:10] <nikolai_> or f7
[12:10] <nikolai_> okay
[12:10] <nikolai_> will try that
[12:10] <histo> nikolai_: alt+F2 will bring up a run dialog then r plus enter is for restart
[12:10] <histo> why does tzdata get updated daily
[12:12] <joandrade> hey everyone, does anyone know if I can control unity from a terminal windows?
[12:13] <qfd> hi
[12:13] <qfd> i have a question
[12:13] <joandrade> window*
[12:15] <bazhang> qfd, then ask
[12:16] <step21> joandrade, what do you mean by control?
[12:17] <histo> joandrade: control it how?
[12:17] <histo> !ask | qfd
[12:18] <joandrade> step21, well, I'd like to use brightside (a program that implements "hot corners" like on the mac) to show all workspaces when I get the mouse in the lower right corner, for instance
[12:18] <joandrade> step21, in brightside you can choose from a set of actions, or run a command, so that's what I'm looking for
[12:20] <step21> joandrade, I don't think unity is scriptable like that. I could be wrong though
[12:20] <step21> isn't there a compiz plugin for hot corners?
[12:20] <joandrade> histo, right now, i only need the commands for "workspace switcher" (the purple icon), and show all windows (which can be accomplished by super+w)
[12:20] <histo> joandrade: gnome-shell has that built in suprised unity removed it.  just tried now
[12:21] <histo> joandrade: maybe somehwere in ccsm
[12:21] <joandrade> step21, I don't know, I'm going to look for it
[12:21] <joandrade> histo, thanks
[12:21] <histo> joandrade: i'm installing it now i'll check
[12:22] <histo> joandrade: I know they added some unity controls in there
[12:23] <step21> joandrade, otherwise, does this help: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/set-up-hot-corners-for-compiz-grid.html
[12:24] <histo> joandrade: try super+s
[12:24] <bigbrovar-sgs> hi guys. after i short down my system i can nolonger get it to boot.
[12:25] <bigbrovar-sgs> booting usually stops at kdm,  am using kubuntu 11.4
[12:25] <bigbrovar-sgs> when i try to boot. the sysyem hangs at kdm and completely stops responding
[12:25] <histo> joandrade: there are keyboard shortcuts in unity by default super , super+a, super+F1, super+w, shift+alt+up, super+d, ctrl+alt+left/right/up/down, super+s, super+f and alt+F2
[12:26] <bigbrovar-sgs> last time this happened i had to do a reinstall
[12:26] <joandrade> step21, thanks for that link
[12:26] <bigbrovar-sgs> from scratch.
[12:27] <bigbrovar-sgs> and it has happened again. any idea how to fix this or if it is a known issue
[12:27] <bigbrovar-sgs> cant boot my laptop. had to type this ffrom my phone
[12:28] <histo> joandrade: in ccsm I believe you could set a hot corner for the workplace switcher or expo or whatever they call it
[12:29] <histo> joandrade: yeah go in there and set the expo edge
[12:29] <joandrade> histo, under what menu would that be?
[12:30] <step21> bigbrovar-sgs, you did what with your system?
[12:30] <histo> joandrade: under compizconfig-settings-manager  exp is in the dekstop section
[12:30] <histo> joandrade: s/exp/expo
[12:30] <joandrade> histo, thanks
[12:35] <th^^> anyone having problems with flash in firefox btw?
[12:35] <th^^> for me, if video has some overlay controls (which get hidden when video starts playing.. like youtube/vimeo), they just flicker on top of the video for every 0.1sec
[12:35] <th^^> this doesn't happen with chromium :/ firefox only
[12:36] <El_Che> th^^: 64-bit?
[12:36] <th^^> yup, 64bit
[12:37] <El_Che> th^^: https://nxadm.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/install-64-bit-adobe-flash-player-on-ubuntu-904/
[12:37] <El_Che> th^^: work on newer ubuntu as well. In short: the 32-bit plugin on 64-linux is not so nice
[12:38] <th^^> uhm, so default flash plugin isn't 64bit?
[12:38] <El_Che> th^^: non the 64-bit on is beta
[12:38] <El_Che> th^^: it's the 32-bit with nsplugin
[12:38] <th^^> i see
[12:39] <gnomefreak> anyone else having issues boot pae kernel? 2.6.38-8-generic-pae #42
[12:39] <histo> I've always used the 64bit plugin
[12:40] <histo> th^^: if you go to the get flash site from you nix box. There is a little box that says for 64bit version click here beta or something
[12:40] <nikolai_> any idea to disable the entering of a keychain password to auto connect to my wifi?
[12:41] <th^^> i installed whatever came with ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[12:41] <nikolai_> *how to
[12:41] <gnomefreak> the flash complaint is it that the videos are in fast forward?
[12:41] <th^^> gnomefreak: nahh, just the video controls flicker on top of the video when they should be hidden
[12:41] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:41] <th^^> and only in firefox :)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> be back lets try this whole booting thing again
[12:43] <El_Che> th^^: follow the howto, it works
[12:45] <mikehh> couple of comments
[12:46] <mikehh> I have Ubuntu natty (up-to-date) in 3 partions at the moment (Kubuntu amd64, Ubuntu amd64 and Ubuntu i386
[12:46] <joandrade> histo, thanks, everything is running as intended now. for the record, to show all of the windows, it's under the scale item, of the window management menu (Enable window picker for all windows)
[12:46] <joandrade> step21, thanks for your help
[12:46] <mikehh> I can't log into Kubuntu at the moment
[12:49] <histo> jo-erlend: oh I thought you were asking about the workspace switcher (expo). yeah the window switcher is (scale)
[12:49] <mikehh> It does not accept my password - I can boot to fix it and run dpkg and resume and it accepts my password, but the normal boot will not
[12:49] <mikehh> any ideas on this
[12:50] <Ian_Corne> maybe it mounts a different root device ?
[12:50] <Ian_Corne> did you check your grup?
[12:50] <Ian_Corne> grub!
[12:51] <mikehh> running clasic I have my clock in the panel displaying the weather thinggy in Ubuntu i386, but can't get it to come up with amd64
[12:52] <mikehh> Ian_Corne: hadn't thought of that, will have a check when I try to re-boot again
[12:56] <mikehh> I also still get a problem running kde applications with default Ambiance theme, (reported this in Maverick beta and it still happens)
[12:56] <mikehh> at app startup the mouseover displays blck-on-black - i.e.can't see it
[12:57] <mikehh> black-on-black
[12:57] <gnomefreak> nothing i can do. i cant get passed plymouth
[12:58] <mikehh> I have switched to Clearlooks but still have a problem with Ambiance
[12:59] <gnomefreak> what is the name of the package that provides ati drivers? the latest ones?
[12:59] <mikehh> fglrx
[13:00] <gnomefreak> mikehh: im looking for the nonfree package
[13:00] <rocky> is there any way to disable the top menubar on a secondary display under natty/unity ?
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> mikehh: also, you can get into trouble with sharing a home folder over multiple versions :p
[13:00] <gnomefreak> rocky: i dont think so since you cant do it on a single display
[13:02] <rocky> gnomefreak: not even a dconf/gconf setting ? :(
[13:02] <gnomefreak> rocky: i dont think so
[13:03] <gnomefreak> i havent found a way at least
[13:03] <mikehh> Ian_Corne: I hab=ve /home on one drive (shared) but different logons and a bunch of partitions on the other drive (14 at the moment)
[13:03] <gnomefreak> be back trying this again
[13:03] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmmm that is weird
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> aah ok :)
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> yeah different logins should be fine :)
[13:05] <bigbrovar-l> HI guys, I have been running Kubuntu natty, for a while now, two 2 weeks back my laptop frooze while booting and I was never able to boot the laptop again. I decided to reinstall the system. however the same proplem is affecting my new install. It basically just hangs at the kdm loading screen
[13:05] <mikehh> gnomefreak: I have fglrx and fglrx-amdccle both from restricted/misc
[13:05] <bigbrovar-l> I am using an intel core i5 with arrandale graphic chip, and idea what could be the issue?
[13:05] <gnomefreak> mikehh: ok thanks if i cant get it done i will try them
[13:06] <bigbrovar-l> I am on a live session of kubuntu10.10 now which is where I am sending this from. I am using a better so I can help test kubuntu before release. already filed some bugs I encountered along the way which has been fixed
[13:07] <bigbrovar-l> I just need help on how to trouble this  this issue
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> 10.10?
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> nvm, i get it now
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> bigbrovar-l: have you tried the rescue option in grub
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> and updated the system fully?
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> you could also try switching between the priopritary driver and the opensource graphic driver
[13:09] <bigbrovar-l> lamalex: I do u mean the recovery option from grub? yes I have . even that freezes when its gets to the menu for choosing the different recovery options
[13:09] <bigbrovar-l> the who system just stops reponding
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> oh
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> that's nasty
[13:09] <mikehh> Ian_Corne: gonna give update-grub on Kubuntu fix-it try and see what happens - bbiab
[13:10] <bigbrovar-l> and the system was upto date before I went to sleep last night
[13:10] <bigbrovar-l> Ian_Corne: if there was a way I could just boot directly to recovery root
[13:12] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[13:15] <bigbrovar-l> .
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> .
[13:17] <KM0201> bigbrovar-l: recovery (i do believe) does auto boot to root?
[13:17] <fdssfd> hi
[13:17] <bazhang> fdssfd, hi
[13:18] <fdssfd> hello when does ubuntu stable
[13:18] <bazhang> fdssfd, 11.04?
[13:19] <OfficiallyPC> fdssfd: The official release of Ubuntu 11.04 will be stable tomorrow.
[13:19]  * rocky doesn't think Ubuntu natty is ready for stable release
[13:22] <nikolai_> so the entire UI is snappy except for the delay in bringing up the Unity dashboard - any ideas?
[13:22] <bigbrovar-l> KM0201: Nope, it autos to a text based menu which provides some options
[13:22] <bigbrovar-l> KM0201: I which there was a way I could make it auto to root
[13:22] <KM0201> bigbrovar-l: one of those should take you to a root console...
[13:23] <bigbrovar-l> KM0201: YEP but the system freezes once the menu comes up
[13:23] <KM0201> oh i see
[13:23] <bigbrovar-l> it just stops responding to commands and I had to forcefully shut down
[13:44] <vooze_> hey, i can apt-get update.. error here: http://pastebin.com/uVw40nBa
[13:44] <vooze_> any ideas?
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> yes
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> you have a repository without the corresponding key
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/
[13:46] <vooze_> but it says its the natty ppa it seems
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> that's just a bad name
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> there is no general natty ppa
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> It's confusing, I know
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> you should look for the key that is with 35DA01C261E46227
[13:47] <vooze_> hmm
[13:47] <vooze_> no keys found
[13:49] <akashm1990> Using ubuntu 10.10 right now. I liked the sidebar format of Unity, and the Windows 7 taskbar like behaviour, but didnt like that there cannot be any desktop icons when using unity. Any way to install ONLY the sidebar of unity, and not the entire thing?
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> akashm1990: there are desktop items in 11.04 unity
[13:49] <akashm1990> Ian_Corne, Can I get them in 10.10?  Dont want to use a beta version on an OS
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> 11.04 releases tomorow
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> I don't know if there's a ppa available
[13:50] <akashm1990> but sorting out bugs would take a while I guess
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> well if it's a proper ppa
[13:50] <Ian_Corne> it should just work
[13:51] <Ian_Corne> But I think upgrading tomorow will be the least painful way
[13:51] <akashm1990> ok, i'll do that
[13:51] <akashm1990> any idea what the download size would be for upgrading?
[13:51] <Ian_Corne> depends on your packages installed
[13:52] <The-frog> hello there
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> Hi
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> akashm1990: I would say somewhere between 500mb and 3gb
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> :)
[13:53] <The-frog> i installed xubuntu 11.04 (some desktop ISO from monday) ... and one thing that wonders me is that it takes 30 to 60 seconds before the auto ethernet is connected. any idea?
[13:53] <akashm1990> Guess I'll wait till 1st May then
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> It works almost instanly here
[13:53] <The-frog> when logging in using my old 10.10 install, it is just a few seconds
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> The-frog: did you try another router?
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> maybe something broke in the router
[13:53] <The-frog> i am at work
[13:53] <The-frog> my laptop is connected directly to the 1 GB ethernet of my employer.
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> yes, which also has a router :)
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> you should try with another router first I think
[13:54] <The-frog> true, but as i said: using a different OS on the same machine i am connected instantly
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> aah
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> I should drink less nalu, missing stuff!
[13:54] <Ian_Corne> well all i can say is that I don't have the problem
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> dmesg gives info ?
[13:55] <The-frog> how would i find out?
[13:55] <The-frog> just run dmesg while it connects?
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> type dmsg in a terminal
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> it's a log
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> so it's still in there
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> after you connect
[13:56] <The-frog> [   58.149232] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[13:56] <The-frog> hmm
[13:57] <The-frog> could that be a problem?
[13:57] <Ian_Corne> you could check if you have ipv6 enabled
[13:57] <The-frog> that was where?
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> click the networkmanager icon
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> go to the wired tab, click Auto eth0
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> click edit
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> go to ipv6 tab
[13:58] <The-frog> it says "Ignore"
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> ok
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> weird
[13:58] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:59] <Ian_Corne> lets see if I get it too
[14:00] <Ian_Corne> I don't get anything ipv6..
[14:00] <Ian_Corne> do you have any other wired connections saved?
[14:01] <Ian_Corne> brb, toilet!
[14:01] <The-frog> nope
[14:01] <The-frog> clean install
[14:01] <The-frog> only connected to my wifi at home and to eth / wifi at work
[14:06] <The-frog> so, what would be my options?
[14:09] <zniavre> hello im usualy using gnome-core installation and before to modify the gdm theme i get a commandline (gksudo -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties) but now it crashes
[14:10] <zniavre> how to modify theme (not background but gtk theme)
[14:10] <zniavre> ? please *
[14:10] <lcb> The-frog, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6 <- check that. But when you say it takes too long to connect, are you comparing with 10.10? Same machine? same configurations? Are you noticing that after desktop environment or on CLI after booting... a lot of considerations to take in account, for instance if is after reboot you notice the updates gives errors could mean a mirror delay, for instance.
[14:11] <step21> zniavre, app lense => appearance (for gtk theme) not sure if it applies to gdm
[14:11] <rocky> ugh i'm so close to disabling Unity for the simple reason that i cannot disable the top bar on my secondary display where i run fullscreen graphical apps
[14:11] <The-frog> lcb: comparing to 10.10 on the same machine on the some ethernet cable
[14:11] <zniavre> step21, what is app lense ?
[14:12] <lcb> The-frog, then configurations differences, probably
[14:12] <The-frog> I am logging into my new xubuntu install ... and sit there, watching the network connection applet spinning
[14:12] <step21> zniavre, on the left where the icons are, there should be one 'applications or so... or just hit super
[14:12] <zniavre> im not using unity
[14:12] <zniavre> unity does not want my hardware saddly
[14:13] <step21> zniavre, then in the app menu it should be something similar
[14:13] <zniavre> gnome-appearence properties does not change gdm theme
[14:13] <lcb> The-frog, afaik there are no known issues regarding the symptoms you are having. it connects normally.
[14:14] <The-frog> yeah, it just takes 30 to 60 seconds ,-(
[14:14] <lcb> The-frog, is that a first run after upgrade?
[14:14] <The-frog> lcb: no, clean install
[14:14] <The-frog> and i didnt touch any of the network settings
[14:14] <lcb> The-frog, first run?
[14:15] <lucas-arg> this is how to screen looks like after coming back from suspend mode... maybe a bug? http://img155.imageshack.us/i/pantallazoez.png/
[14:15] <lcb> The-frog, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:16] <The-frog> lcb: only two packages are updated ... I updated earlier this morning ...
[14:17] <The-frog> i have to admit I installed some 30 packages from our intra-company repository this morning
[14:17] <nikolai_> hi. how would i go about preventing the automatic login into wifi from requiring a keychain password? :)
[14:18] <lcb> The-frog, you might need to tweak your networking. just changing ipv6 on networking connections to any of the available options would be not enough...
[14:18] <lcb> The-frog, in fact, if you change it will not produce changes on-the-fly, if is not correctly configured
[14:20] <lcb> The-frog, if you have some time, read on the wiki/s that ipv6 and networking. that's where i learned :)
[14:20] <The-frog> will do so ...
[14:20] <lcb> :)
[14:20] <The-frog> thanks for the moment
[14:20] <The-frog> have to get back to work
[14:21] <lcb> The-frog, learning and exchanging opinions with each other/s, just that ;)
[14:37] <kinkku> When is the release party tomorrow? and on which channel?
[14:38] <KM0201> !releaseparty
[14:38] <kinkku> thanks
[14:49] <axscode> guys question. i wonder what happend to compiz-icon on and the dropbox icon on upper right tray?
[14:50] <nikolai_> i don't understand
[14:51] <sebsebseb> hi
[15:04] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> hey BluesKaj :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hi Ian_Corne
[15:21] <Ian_Corne> ready for release?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> yup, almost there already , unless there's more big stuff /changes to come down
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, how about you , up to date?
[15:29] <axscode> guys question. i wonder what happend to compiz-icon on and the dropbox icon on upper right tray? its gone after upgrade.
[15:31] <bjsnider> this is not a release quality distro at the moment. too bad it's going to be released anyway
[15:32] <rww> time-based releases </3
[15:34] <bjsnider> there are going to be a couple of sru bugfix releases of unity, 3.8.2 and .14, and after that, it might be release quality, if all of those bugs do get fixed
[15:34] <bjsnider> 3.8.12 that is
[15:34] <bjsnider> current version is 3.8.10
[15:35] <bjsnider> there's a huge memory leak right now if you run unity long enough, and running any opengl app results in poor performance of the entire desktop
[15:38] <nikolai_> bjsnider: i can confirm this as well
[15:38] <nikolai_> on my netbook
[15:39] <nikolai_> and for some reason there's a delay opening unity dashboard
[15:39] <JamesJRH> The NM applet is missing for a new account. How do I get it back?
[15:40] <Ian_Corne> yes BluesKaj :)
[15:40] <Ian_Corne> I can't wait till 11.10 :D
[15:41] <thiebaude> im sticking to LTS versions myself :)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, are you running Unity or... ?
[15:42] <nikolai_> what's LTS?
[15:42] <thiebaude> long term support
[15:42] <thiebaude> !lts
[15:42] <thiebaude> 10.04.02
[15:42] <nikolai_> oh okay thanks for the clarification
[15:42] <thiebaude> yw :)
[15:43] <nikolai_> i'm a huge fan of what they've done with the UI
[15:59] <bittin> Updating Kubuntu on my grandparents computer from 10.10 to 11.04 beta 2 hope i don't break anything
[16:00] <somethinginteres> bittin: you should hold off. The final release will happen shortly
[16:00] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: yes unity
[16:00] <Ian_Corne> I had to make the launcher not go away tho
[16:01] <vooze> Ian_Corne, i did the same, alot easyer like that
[16:02] <vooze> in 10.10 i had a problem that showed CPU load, memory, and network activity etc. what is that called?
[16:02] <vooze> problem = program..
[16:02] <Ian_Corne> system monitor
[16:02] <Ian_Corne> an applet you mean?
[16:03] <vooze> yes ofc, sorry :P
[16:03] <vooze> but thanks
[16:03] <bittin> i will see in about 3hours if i killed it or not :p
[16:03] <vooze> 3 hours to install beta2??
[16:04] <vooze> took me 45min with slow ass internet
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, ok , I tried the gnome default 11.04 and ran it for 2 days or so but my taste leans toward KDE so I reinstalled . Not many desktop issues except for some unstable window decor themes
[16:05] <Ian_Corne> the Ubuntu classical isn't being worked on anymore I think
[16:06] <vooze> It 11.10 going to be LTS or first 12.10 ?
[16:06] <JamesJRH> Why can't I run multiple instances of nm-applet if they're on different accounts?
[16:06] <step21> Ian_Corne, I think it is still made sure that it works and things like that
[16:07] <JamesJRH> vooze: 12.04
[16:07] <JamesJRH> vooze: 12.04 will be LTS.
[16:07] <vooze> long time, hehe
[16:08] <JamesJRH> vooze: 1 year.
[16:08] <cpatrick08> unity should be really polished by then
[16:08] <vooze> i would be sad sitting on 10.04 when 11.10 comes and still have to wait
[16:08] <JamesJRH> cpatrick08: :D
[16:09] <JamesJRH> cpatrick08: That'll be a good one. :D
[16:09] <JamesJRH> LTS that is.
[16:10] <thiebaude> i cant wait til the next LTS,lol :)
[16:10] <JamesJRH> Why can't I run multiple instances of nm-applet, even if they're on different accounts?
[16:14] <cpatrick08> yea
[16:15] <cpatrick08> or might ruin them when people upgrade from 10.04
[16:15] <JoshDreamland> Is there a way of obtaining the release disc a day early? I hear it doesn't run X. I will be given the opportunity to test various Linux distributions on a friend's laptop today, with several features that X won't like.
[16:15] <Pici> JoshDreamland: You heard wrong.
[16:15] <JoshDreamland> it does run X?
[16:15] <JamesJRH> Nooo! Magic Lamp doesn't work sideways!
[16:15] <Pici> JoshDreamland: sure.
[16:15] <JoshDreamland> annoying
[16:16] <JoshDreamland> will it be any more apt than 10.10 to work with two graphics cards?
[16:16] <Pici> JoshDreamland: there was talk about *eventually* replacing X with wayland, but that is not for a long time.
[16:16] <JoshDreamland> figures
[16:17] <Pici> JoshDreamland: And anyway, you can get a Daily ISO, but there will likely be small changes between that and the final one.
[16:17] <JoshDreamland> if it's no more likely to work with two graphics cards, I don't have use for it
[16:17] <abhinav> hi .. trying to upgrade from 10.10, and am getting the error mentioned here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/599836/
[16:19] <arand_> abhinav: Does the mentioned log file provide any hints?
[16:19] <abhinav> arand_: I think there is some dependency issue specific to my install :( I have ubuntu-desktop installed, but upgrading it (on 10.10) itself has some broken dependencies
[16:20] <abhinav> arand_:  I believe I need to set it right before trying the upgrade .. no other short cut, I guess ?
[16:20] <cpatrick08> it will be released tomorrow and it should upgrade better then
[16:20] <arand_> abhinav: Do you have additional #ubuntu-desktop systems installed, kubuntu/xubuntu/etc. ?
[16:21] <arand_> abhinav: Using "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" might provide better error messages?
[16:21] <abhinav> arand_: I believe I have some kubuntu as well as ubuntustudio packages installed. Probably through a corresponding meta-package
[16:22] <arand_> abhinav: Upgrading such a system has always been issuefull iirc
[16:22] <cpatrick08> you can upgrade from the live iso
[16:23] <abhinav> arand_: yeah .. I believe this is too specific to my system, and needs to be resolved at my end by getting the system into a saner state :) thanks !
[16:23] <abhinav> arand_: will try do-release-upgrade.. text is always better
[16:23] <arand_> No, but from the alternate though, I wound assume it makes no difference in this case though..
[16:23] <arand_> (in response to cpatrick08)
[16:24] <cpatrick08> just download the daily-live from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ and burn it to a cd or usb drive and when you go to install it you have a option to ugrade it http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1104-natty.html
[16:24] <arand_> cpatrick08: Really, heh, that must be new :D
[16:25] <cpatrick08> yea just go to the web8.org link and it is the 2nd way and has a youtube video showing how it works
[16:25] <cpatrick08> @armad_ it is new
[16:25] <arand_> Blargh, I hate web8's inability to source _anything_
[16:26] <torchie> why does the unity menu bar only show itself when mouseovered?
[16:26] <arand_> torchie: Supposed to save screen space
[16:26] <cpatrick08> @torhie install ccsm from software center and it has a unity option that you can change how it shows itself
[16:29] <arand_> Like when webupd8 advertises a ppa, they don't link to it, just state the commands to blindly add it, it's really encouraging mindless breakage *grumbles* ...
[16:29] <abhinav> removed the ubuntu-desktop meta package from 10.10 and trying .. I don't have any other *-desktop package either. Let's see how it goes
[16:30] <compdoc> one more day until release :)
[16:30] <torchie> saves space?
[16:30] <torchie> saves space for tray icons?
[16:31] <JamesJRH> Anyone else interested in Magic Lamp? I've just filed a bug you may want to vote for:
[16:31] <JamesJRH> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/771871
[16:37] <abhinav> so this is what the dist-upgrade logs say : http://paste.ubuntu.com/599843/
[16:37] <abhinav> arand_: any clues ?
[16:38] <abhinav> arand_: it is however asking if I want to continue
[16:38] <arand_> abhinav: I don't know to be honest
[16:39] <arand_> gtg, sorry
[16:45] <torchie> is anyone else having troubles scrolling with gwibber
[16:46] <torchie> the bar on mine flies around randomly
[16:49] <JamesJRH> torchie: I had trouble 2-finger scrolling.
[16:58] <IdleOne> +1 is going to be closing soon, are you people ready for that? Have you prepared yourself for the loneliness that comes without a +1 to install and break your system?
[16:58] <IdleOne> I always feel a little sad at release time
[16:58] <genii-around> I always feel nervous anticipation
[16:59] <IdleOne> yeah, I get that also
[16:59] <cpatrick08> it opens up a few months later when alpha 1 comes out
[16:59] <IdleOne> sooner then that
[16:59] <Lemmiwinks> hello, when nautilus is set to draw the desktop icons, I don't have a desktop wallpaper anymore but just the solid color
[17:00] <cpatrick08> yea lol
[17:00] <IdleOne> but the time between +release and +1 opening up again is agonizing hehe
[17:00] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: I feel sad at release time, because I know it means good previous version/s  are about to run out of support
[17:00] <yofel> still, at least 2 weeks without +1 will be lonely indeed ^^
[17:00] <IdleOne> ^^
[17:00] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: this time round Ubuntu 9.10 and  Ubuntu 8.04,  on the desktop,  not the server since that was LTS
[17:00] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: a bit sad, I was meant to type above
[17:00] <yofel> true, and soon 6.06 server too
[17:01] <IdleOne> 10.04 still has a long life
[17:01] <sebsebseb> yeah and deepending on how I am feeling,  I might even say that 9.10 became one of the best versions of Ubuntu,  I didn't like 9.10 much when it was the latest
[17:01] <IdleOne> something to look forward to I suppose
[17:01] <mack28> i have never once not advanced to the next release
[17:02] <IdleOne> but we really should move this to #ubuntu-release-party
[17:02] <IdleOne> :)
[17:02] <yofel> from a bugsquad point of view it's party time though now that we can get rid of 3 releases at once ;P
[17:02] <mack28> i missed the second release i think i was in between
[17:02] <IdleOne> lets all go there and cry in our beers
[17:02] <IdleOne> haha
[17:03] <micahg> yofel: not quite, they're staggered
[17:04] <yofel> well yeah, but at least we're not going to get *new* bugs from them
[17:04] <micahg> yofel: that's what you think :)
[17:04] <yofel> hey it's release time, let me be optimistic a bit :P
[17:04] <micahg> and this is really offtopic :)
[17:06] <somethinginteres> I'm finding the launcher takes too long to hide e.g. I open my /home folder go to click "Documents" straight away but the launcher is in the way. Can I fix this?
[17:08] <KM0201> somethinginteres: i couldn't make any sense of what you just said.
[17:08] <KM0201> lol
[17:10] <somethinginteres> KM0201: fair enough it's late here. How to describe... so I move my mouse to the left of the screen then the launcher appears I click the home folder icon which loads Nautilus. As soon as it loads I want to click an icon in the places menu (e.g. "Network") but the Unity Launcher takes too hide so it stays in the way I'm not able to fully interact with Nautilus because it is being obscured until the launcher hides.
[17:11] <audhi> is anyone here i have to ask one doubt?
[17:11] <compdoc> doubt?
[17:11] <yofel> !ask | audhi
[17:12] <audhi> when final version of ubuntu is released?
[17:12] <somethinginteres> audhi: 28th of April 2011
[17:12] <compdoc> maybe tomorrow
[17:13] <yofel> probably tomorrow, no fixed time
[17:13] <audhi> can i upgrade the alpha in to final version?
[17:13] <Pici> !final
[17:15] <audhi> what are the new features in 11.04/
[17:15] <yofel> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta#Features%20new%20to%20Natty%20Narwhal
[17:15] <audhi> sorry not / it is ?
[17:16] <compdoc> I installed 10.10 then upgraded to 11.4. But I think I'll erase and install new when 11.4 is released
[17:18] <step21> compdoc, Was that a question?
[17:20] <audhi> compdoc, you cant.
[17:20] <compdoc> cant what?
[17:20] <Pici> Can't what?
[17:21] <compdoc> cant reinstall? sure I can
[17:21] <step21> yeah, that's always possible :)
[17:21] <Pici> (although its 11.04 not 11.4)
[17:21] <step21> wether it's actually better afterwards is something else
[17:22] <audhi> how step21?
[17:22] <step21> audhi, insert install disc, reboot, format partition and everything as normal, install => fresh system
[17:22] <step21> why shouldn't it be possible?
[17:24] <KM0201> i keep getting a skype call from "Skype Technical Support"..lol.. this has to be a scam, and i don't feel like talking to them, but it makes me lol
[17:24] <audhi> step21, what os is the best os in linux?
[17:25] <KM0201> Pici: i say that all the time (the 11.04 vs 11.4) and peole just look at me like i just fell off the bannana boat, its like, at least say it properly
[17:26] <dios_mio> do you guys also get some error messages in terminal if you run gedit?
[17:26] <dios_mio> i did gksudo gedit and when closing it i get error messages
[17:27] <KM0201> dios_mio: thats pretty common when using gksudo
[17:27] <KM0201> as long as it lets you make whatever changes your making, and save the file, i wouldn't worry about it.
[17:27] <KM0201> or at least i never have
[17:27] <dios_mio> ok cool
[17:28] <dios_mio> so how do you stop using compiz?
[17:28] <step21> dios_mio, on login choose classic
[17:28] <dios_mio> ok
[17:28] <compdoc> where can I ride a bannana boat? that sounds fun
[17:29] <Pici> o.O
[17:29] <dios_mio> step21, but how to stop it if it is running?
[17:30] <step21> dios_mio, well, if your desktop is running right now, you shouldn't stop it. If you log into classic it shouldn't start afaik
[17:30] <step21> *if your desktop is running compiz
[17:30] <IdleOne> dios_mio: at the login screen choose Classic desktop (no effects)
[17:34] <semitones> hey you guys I have some problems in the natties that i want to report, but i don't know the packages
[17:35] <yofel> if it's graphical, run 'ubuntu-bug -w' and click on the app
[17:35] <dios_mio> ok I logged in to ubuntu (no effects).. now should i disable my ati drivers too? which is better ati drivers or ubuntu edrivers?
[17:35] <compdoc> which ever works
[17:37] <somethinginteres> anyone know the status of installing 11.04 with wubi? Still buggy?
[17:39] <step21> somethinginteres, probably. works for me in virtual box though if you want to try
[17:40] <knowbody> So why do I want to move off of 9.x?  Is it a feature or something else useful for a 32bit lenovo HW that would be sueful.
[17:40] <knowbody> sueful=useful
[17:40] <somethinginteres> step21: ordinarily I do a clean install but I am not sure how to go about it with Wubi
[17:41] <knowbody> wubi only works if it has windows to initiate the process....
[17:41] <step21> yeah ...
[17:45] <knowbody> from an ubuntu centric point of view (no windows installed on the machine you boot and run from the CD and do a fresh install.
[17:50] <dios_mio> ok so i messed up my desktop: i installed compizconfig-settings-manager and i clicked on "restore to defaults" and i lost my window borders... and when i chose "unity" and "restored to defaults" again, window borders come back but it is all so messed up... what do?
[17:51] <hypetech> dios_mio: I had a similar problem yesterday, I ran "unity --reset" I think it was, then rebooted and all was fine
[17:52] <dios_mio> hypetech: thanks bro
[17:59] <dios_mio> ok i did unity --reset and then rebooted. and now i have a unity tool bar in the classic desktop
[17:59] <hypetech> dios_mio: go back in your ccsm and see if unity is enabled
[18:00] <dios_mio> it is unity in profile
[18:00] <dios_mio> but i am logged in to the "classic" desktop still having unity toolbar
[18:00] <dios_mio> i have the taskbar at bottom at the same time
[18:02] <hypetech> dios_mio: ah yea, when I rebooted, at the login screen it was set to ubuntu classic by default, I had to switch it back to ubuntu.  Log out and try changing that then logging back in
[18:02] <dios_mio> ok
[18:17] <dios_mio> well my classic desktop returned to normal when i did metacity --replace.. but that kills compiz i guess and i get no effects
[18:22] <somethinginteres> dios_mio: try ALT+F2 and type "unity --reset"
[18:22] <soreau> So does unity happen inside of gnome? Or is there no gnome happening at all in the default unity session?
[18:23] <hypetech> soreau: unity runs on top of gnome, yes
[18:24] <soreau> hypetech: Ok that's what I thought
[18:24] <somethinginteres> soreau: Ubuntu still uses GNOME, however, and most of what you see on the screen is still GNOME technology. Unity is just a shell running on top of the regular desktop.
[18:25] <soreau> somethinginteres: Well I already know unity is just a very hacked up version of compiz
[18:25] <soreau> I just didn't know if it used gnome3 with non-shell or what
[18:29] <somethinginteres> soreau: Ubuntu 11.04 still uses GNOME 2
[18:30] <soreau> somethinginteres: Ok
[18:43] <Omega> soreau: what? Unity isn't a hacked up version of compiz
[18:43] <soreau> Omega: Says who?
[18:43] <bittin> Xorg crashed but trying to run apt-get -f upgrade in a framebuffer now and will check if it fixes the problem
[18:43] <Omega> soreau: The code?
[18:44] <soreau> Omega: Not sure what you're reading but unity has different parts
[18:44] <soreau> one of which is a compiz plugin
[18:44] <Omega> yes
[18:44] <Omega> That is true.
[18:44] <Omega> Now, where does what you said follow out of this?
[18:56] <bittin> Kubuntu 11.04 beta 2 seems to work only problems so far is that my window manager dwm won't start and the sound won't work :(
[19:00] <dios_mio> guyz, can you install KDE side by side with gnome?
[19:01] <bittin> deleted pulseaudio and now the sound works, now its just wait for a working dwm :)
[19:02] <soreau> dios_mio: yes
[19:02] <dios_mio> soreau: no complicationz?
[19:04] <soreau> Well, gnome and kde apps will appear in both DEs menus
[19:04] <soreau> And some may not run in the opposing DE, depending what it is
[19:04] <dios_mio> hrm
[19:04] <dios_mio> i better keep my gnome
[19:04] <dios_mio> earlier i messed it up
[19:04] <dios_mio> but it seems fine now
[19:05] <dios_mio> soreau: the other day i installed gnome 3 ppa.. then my system was messed up for good. i reinstalled ubuntu beta lol
[19:06] <soreau> ppa-purge FTW
[19:06] <dios_mio> heh
[19:13] <vega> hmm, is there a known problem with "nvidia" (the binary one) xorg driver? i get "driver not found" and thus x does not start. still it is installed
[19:13] <vega> also, lsmod lists no nvidia related modules
[19:17] <soreau> vega: Do you have nvidia-current installed?
[19:17] <yofel> vega: does 'dkms status' show the module built for your kernel?
[19:20] <bitplane> anyone around to test a bug before I raise it on the tracker?
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> is it possible to change the unity keyboard shortcuts? now i need two hands to switch windows, i want to use only one hand, like in gnome
[19:30] <jbwiv> anyone using terminator in unity? Seems like I can no longer create multiple windows :-/
[19:30] <MonkeyDust> is it possible to add a custom terminal command as launcher, like in gnome?
[19:35] <bitplane> MonkeyDust: you mean compiz settings?
[19:35] <bitplane> open ccsm and change all that
[19:36] <MonkeyDust> bitplane: i mean unity
[19:36] <dios_mio> he means as a unity button
[19:36] <vega> soreau: yes
[19:36] <MonkeyDust> i don't like the unity keyboard shortcuts and i want to change them
[19:36] <bitplane> oh, the number things?
[19:37] <vega> yofel: nvidia-current 270.41.06: added
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> bitplane: yes, that, i want to use alt-tab, like before
[19:38] <yofel> added? dkms status *should* give something like:
[19:38] <yofel> nvidia-current, 270.41.06, 2.6.38-8-generic, x86_64: installed
[19:38] <bitplane> MonkeyDust: to use alt+tab I just set up the ring switcher in ccsm
[19:38] <yofel> vega: what kernel are you running?
[19:38] <soreau> vega: Does 'find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name nvidia.ko' show the module exists?
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> bitplane: but that's compiz, not unity
[19:38] <bitplane> erm shift switcher.. super+tab is switch window in all workspaces, alt+tab is next window
[19:39] <bitplane> ah, you're using the 2d version?
[19:39] <vega> yofel: standard natty
[19:39] <vega> soreau: does not exist (only nvidiafb.ko)
[19:40] <yofel> vega: does this run fine? sudo dkms build -m nvidia-current -v 270.41.06 -k $(uname -r)
[19:40] <vega> 2.6.38-8-generic-pae
[19:40]  * yofel wonders where the dkms logs were...
[19:42] <vega> yofel: doh, it can't find the kernel headers ..
[19:42] <vega> that just *may* be related ...
[19:42] <yofel> ...
[19:42] <yofel> why the hell doesn't it depend on them...
[19:42] <vega> thinking the same
[19:43] <yofel> oh wait...
[19:43] <soreau> vega: Does /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/nvidia_drv.so exist?
[19:43] <vega> and i had them on the previous kernel, this was an upgrade from maverick
[19:43] <yofel> it *does* depend on them, but not for -pae it seems
[19:43] <vega> yes it does
[19:43] <bjsnider> all he has to do is reinstall nvidia-current
[19:43] <soreau> vega: Or try 'find /usr/lib/ -name nvidia_drv.so'
[19:43] <MonkeyDust> what's the command line for the 'classic' gnome-menu?
[19:44] <soreau> vega: Can you pastebin the X log from the failed session? /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:44] <soreau> MonkeyDust: gnome-panel?
[19:44] <vega> was there a command line tool for pastebin?
[19:44] <yofel> pastebinit
[19:44] <vega> pastethanks
[19:45] <yofel> soreau: erm, how would that be helpful if the module isn't there?
[19:45] <vega> also wondering why i got the pae kernel after the upgrade (didn't have it before)
[19:45] <MonkeyDust> soreau: ok, and how can i add that as a launcher in unity?
[19:45] <bjsnider> the pae kernel would be automatically picked if you have 4gb of ram or more
[19:45] <vega> soreau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599921
[19:45] <bjsnider> and you chose i386
[19:45] <vega> bjsnider: ah ok, this one has 4gb
[19:46] <bjsnider> yofel, he probably just doesn't have the kernel headers metapackage installed
[19:47] <soreau> vega: I don't know exactly how nvidia drivers work these days but apparently the module is no longer called nvidia.ko for whatever reason
[19:47] <vega> linux-headers-generic-pae is not installed
[19:47] <vega> soreau: ok i see, but still xorg.conf should have "Driver" "nvidia" presumably
[19:48] <MonkeyDust> is it possible to add a custom terminal command as launcher, like in gnome?
[19:48] <bitplane> any of you guys use surround sound and have a subwoofer?
[19:48] <yofel> bjsnider: agreed
[19:48] <soreau> vega: Yes, it's loading nvidia_drv.so (hence nvidia in xorg.conf) but failing to find the nvidia kernel module
[19:48] <yofel> bjsnider: btw, do you know what triggers the module build if you start a kernel that doesn't have the module built yet?
[19:48] <yofel> that doesn't seem to work in natty for me anymore
[19:49] <bjsnider> it's add/build/install
[19:49] <vega> hmm seems it started to build the driver when installing the hreader package
[19:49] <vega> header
[19:49] <bjsnider> so the next step is build
[19:49] <luite> bitplane: my htpc is connected to a surround kit with sub, but it runs lucid, not natty
[19:50] <soreau> vega: The only thing I can suggest is trying to load nvidiafb.ko manually first before starting X with 'sudo modprobe nvidiafb' then startx
[19:50] <yofel> soreau: nvidiafb is *not* the driver, and he's missing the kernel headers, that's all
[19:51] <bjsnider> soreau, his problem is he doesn't have the module installed at all. try to keep up
[19:51] <vega> correct, things work now, X up and running after installing headers
[19:51] <soreau> bjsnider: I'm not reading what anyone else is saying
[19:51] <soreau> I thought he wasn't getting help
[19:51] <bjsnider> oh, that explains it
[19:51] <vega> thanks all
[19:51] <yofel> yw
[19:52] <soreau> So why then does nvidia.ko not appear in packages.ubuntu.com?
[19:52] <soreau> Does nvidia-current download the module from some other source?
[19:52] <vega> oh wait.. hmm all i get is a cursor, where are my gnome panels? :)
[19:52] <yofel> soreau: because it's built by dkms when you install nvidia-current?
[19:53] <bjsnider> yofel, i think maybe you and i should stop reading what everyone is writing in here and start throwing random meaningless messages in here just for our own amusement
[19:53] <soreau> yofel: yea I don't use nvidia crap
[19:53] <soreau> I don't know how it works
[19:53] <yofel> bjsnider: that would at least be quite relaxing
[19:54] <Mathuin> Is there an easy way to determine whether tightvnc has been upgraded in Natty?
[19:54] <yofel> yes, packages.ubuntu.com
[19:54] <vega> hmm so now it's overscanning or something.. xorg.conf from maverick does not work with never nvidia driver
[19:54] <yofel> Mathuin: quick answer, no, if you mean tightvncserver
[19:55] <MonkeyDust> can i edit *any* unity  launcher or taskbar?
[19:55] <bjsnider> vega, so you have linux-headers-<version>-generic-pae installed now right?
[19:55] <bitplane> luite: oh, there appears to be a bug in pulseaudio where channel #5 is disabled whenever a new (GStreamer?) output is created. Clicking a track in banshee or Rhythmbox turns my sub off
[19:55] <vega> btw, if i had auto-login to *gnome* in maverick, should it stick after upgrade to natty? or is it being silly and now tries to use unity?
[19:56] <vega> bjsnider: yep, and x up and running and can access gnome menu using right-click, but panels are nowhere to be seen :)
[19:56] <bjsnider> it will try unity if you have compositing
[19:56] <Mathuin> yofel: thanks.  :-(  1.3.9 crashes on me all the time, and apparently it's been a known problem since 9.10 :-(
[19:56] <soreau> vega: unity wasn't in maverick (or at least the natty implementation) so it will probably try to use unity
[19:56] <vega> composite is disabled in xorg.conf
[19:56] <soreau> vega: 'grep -i composite /var/log/Xorg.0.log' will tell you if it's actually enabled or not
[19:56] <luite> bitplane: hm, don't have that problem I think since I don't use pulseaudio. I run xbmc, but I had to swap some channels in the alsa config.
[19:57] <bjsnider> vega, delete the org.conf file and execute: sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[19:57] <vega> it is not
[19:57] <bjsnider> that will create a fresh xorg.conf
[19:58] <luite> bitplane: I had enough problems getting hdmi 6-channel output working on lucid, so I don't really want to upgrade now :)
[19:58] <vega> hmm, could work, but in the end i probably need my old conf because i need 1080p@50Hz exactly
[19:58] <bitplane> hehe yeah my xbmclive box had all sorts of audio issues
[19:58] <bitplane> I won't be upgrading that in a hurry
[20:00] <bjsnider> vega, then just move the old one to xorg.conf.old or something
[20:00] <bjsnider> you can possibly mix in parts of the old one into the new one
[20:01] <vega> ok i recreated it, now something like a unity panel on the left seems to have appeared
[20:01] <vega> according to xrandr it is 1080p@50Hz .. weird
[20:04] <bjsnider> vega, why did you select i386?
[20:04] <vega> bjsnider: select where?
[20:04] <bjsnider> when you decided to install ubuntu
[20:05] <vega> no idea, originally  it was 9.04 or 8.10.. can't remember
[20:05] <vega> you mean i should have used 64bit?
[20:06] <bjsnider> witht hat much ram you probably should have
[20:06] <vega> also don't remember how much ram the machine had during original install
[20:06] <bjsnider> i doubt you have a system that's too old
[20:07] <vega> hardware is 64bit yes.. amd 5050e or something like that
[20:07] <vega> see,s that jockey-text actually did not create an xorg.conf at all
[20:10] <bjsnider> you're going to get more speed out of 64 in most cases
[20:11] <maco> vooze: its not like they're separate releases
[20:11] <maco> vooze: beta 2 is just a cd snapshot of the archive on that date
[20:12] <vooze> ah, i see :)
[20:12] <vooze> well i just dist upgrade in terminal, yestoday
[20:13] <Pici> maco: I'm thinking we may want a separate factoid about that (other than !final, I'm not sure how to phrase it though)
[20:13] <vega> bjsnider: this is mainly a htpc that uses vdpau for video decoding so desktop speed etc. is not that important
[20:15] <DaSinge> has 11.04 been released?
[20:16] <budgee> so safe to dist-upgrade to 11.04 now?
[20:16] <maco> DaSinge: is it tomorrow yet?
[20:16] <DaSinge> no
[20:16] <maco> DaSinge: then there's your answer
[20:16] <vooze> then no :P
[20:16] <DaSinge> 3 hours
[20:16] <vooze> well no, there is no timeline on when in the day it will be
[20:16] <DaSinge> cant wait!
[20:16] <maco> standard line is:  it will be released while it is 28 April 2011 in at least one time zone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[20:16] <vooze> could be 24 hours
[20:17] <vooze> could be 3
[20:17] <maco> or 27!
[20:17] <vooze> well yes :D
[20:17] <DaSinge> isnt ubuntu south african
[20:17] <maco> DaSinge: the word is
[20:17] <DaSinge> i live in SA
[20:17] <maco> and mark shuttleworth is from there, but he doesn't live there anymore
[20:17] <vooze> my guess is that they will wait till last min.
[20:18] <DaSinge> kkk
[20:18] <vooze> so they can fix as many bugs as possible
[20:18] <maco> most devs are in europe & north america, so ... probably at a time convenient for them/us
[20:18] <maco> (im not on the release team, so unsure about saying "us")
[20:18] <jibadeeha> i was hoping they would fix the shutdown bug where it just freezes ... doubt that will get fixed now and the updates are less frequent as we get closer to the release date
[20:19] <DaSinge> so if i type :service ssh start
[20:19] <budgee> DaSinge: me too.  I was hoping MS would release it one day early so us Saffers could celebrate some Software Freedom on Freedom Day.
[20:19] <DaSinge> ya
[20:20] <DaSinge> i get a super loang error
[20:20] <vooze> but i think many users can get used to unity with no problem
[20:20] <DaSinge> long*
[20:20] <vooze> better than gnome2 for sure, but i think if they did go 100% with gnome3 that would have been better
[20:20] <DaSinge> first line reads: start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call"
[20:20] <budgee> maco: if i run dis-upgrade now, will it update to beta2?
[20:21] <vooze> yes
[20:21] <DaSinge> and so on
[20:21] <vooze> DaSinge, if its not a natty problem, you would probably get better help in #ubuntu
[20:21] <DaSinge> ok thx
[20:21] <budgee> vooze: was that yes for me?
[20:22] <vooze> budgee, yes
[20:22] <budgee> vooze: bleak
[20:22] <vooze> thats what i did yestoday, went fine
[20:27] <budgee> vooze: you upgraded to b2?
[20:27] <vooze> yes :)
[20:27] <budgee> vooze: just becoz?
[20:27] <vooze> or latest daily i think
[20:27] <budgee> so you not sure it is b2?
[20:28] <vooze> because i wanted to try it, and fix minor bugs my self, before #ubuntu gets crazy with spam and 1000 questions
[20:28] <vooze> well i'm not an expert, but i'm running beta2 now.. probably beta2+ some days actually.
[20:28] <vooze> but b2 yes
[20:29] <budgee> well i'm trying to figure whether to cancel this dist-upgrade before it starts downloading packages
[20:29] <budgee> cause the dudes in #ubuntu said if i upgraded now it would be basically the final release barring a few small changes
[20:30] <vooze> well yes, thats the point in dailys :)
[20:31] <vooze> and then if you see some bugs in your daily 11.04 you just upgrade in 2 days and hope its fixed by then
[20:31] <budgee> so if i dist-upgrade now it will be b2 + all the dailys until now
[20:31] <vooze> yes
[20:31] <budgee> ok that's perfect
[20:31] <vooze> :)
[20:31] <budgee> so not far off the release
[20:32] <DaSinge> who can i pm for help with openssh???
[20:33] <soreau> no one
[20:33] <soreau> ! ask
[20:33] <DaSinge> O.K.
[20:33] <vooze> budgee, feel free to let me know how it goes.. went perfect for me though
[20:33] <traskers> Do Unity quicklists work in Unity 2D? I had some set up in 3D but was having issues with other things, and now when I log into 2D they aren't available.
[20:34] <budgee> vooze: fetching package 10 of 1542 at 119kB/s
[20:34] <budgee> i'm off to bed :)
[20:36] <tim> how can i change the system sounds in ubuntu 11?
[20:37] <DaSinge> When i type :service ssh start
[20:37] <DaSinge> I get: start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.52" (uid=1000 pid=3207 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[20:38] <Sylphid> hey all, wondering if someone could give me a hand debunking my front panel audio. if I have audio playing then playing a wav with aplay will send it to the front panel however with no audio going aplay will go to the back panel, how can i toggle audio to the front panel?
[20:39] <AureiAnimus> okay, so i'm looking at buying a laptop with an Nvidia GeForce GT 525M, which is optimus, but http://www.raiden.net/node/512 says it's supported now. Can i count on it working in 11.04?
[20:39] <Sylphid> DaSinge, sudo service ssh start
[20:47] <pfui> any way to get gnome-shell to play nice with fglrx?
[20:53] <JoshDreamland> Ubuntu 10.10 live USB gives, "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system". Would an 11.04 do any better?
[20:55] <zniavre> good evening
[20:56] <jester7> Does anybody here use Gwibber?
[20:56] <zniavre> i experienced gnome-panel running over unity panel how to stop it please.?
[20:58] <bitplane> jester7: kind of, it pisses me off at startup if that's what you mean by "use"
[21:00] <soreau> bitplane: lol
[21:00] <jester7> no...that's not what I mean
[21:00] <soreau> jester7: Then the answer is no, no one uses it
[21:00] <soreau> ! anybody
[21:01] <bitplane> too many apps asking for passwords at login
[21:01] <bitplane> that's what I mean by it pisses me off
[21:01] <bitplane> is there a solution for that?
[21:01] <jester7> That must be the case, because the Facebook portion doesn't work, hasn't worked, and nobody seems to use it enough to care
[21:01] <Kyle__> How do you find out what parts of 11.04 are still in flux (if any?)_
[21:01] <jester7> which is weird, because it's so integrated into the panel
[21:02] <soreau> bitplane: yes
[21:02] <bitplane> executive decision, like MS Briefcase
[21:02] <bitplane> or Clippy
[21:02] <soreau> bitplane: When it initially asks you to enter a password, just hit enter and select use unsafe storage
[21:02] <bitplane> soreau, thanks
[21:03] <soreau> bitplane: Nuke all entries in seahorse and start over
[21:03] <Kyle__> I need to do a clean install of UEC, do-release-upgrade -d honked it up something feirce.
[21:06] <jo-erlend> jester7, why doesn't facebook work?
[21:07] <bitplane> clicking facebook crashes the app by the look of it
[21:08] <bitplane> oh no, it just took a while to sync
[21:09] <bjsnider> if that guy asking about optimus comes back in here tell him that there is no support for optimus on linux at all, and no plans for any
[21:10] <sweb> how much longer to release v 11.04  ?
[21:10] <sweb> what time ?
[21:10] <Pici> When its done.
[21:10] <Pici> Feel free to await the release in #ubuntu-release-party though
[21:10] <bitplane> hopefully not too soon! kinda still medium rare at the moment
[21:11] <Kyle__> sweb: Sometime tomorrow
[21:12] <sweb> 28 april in which time zone ?
[21:12] <sweb> London ?
[21:13] <Kyle__> sweb: I always figured it was GMT myself, and that it would be relased between 00:01 and 23:59.
[21:14] <Kyle__> give or take a minute.
[21:14] <bitplane> yikes, final release is tomorrow?!
[21:14] <bitplane> but... but it still sucks!
[21:15] <bitplane> by "sucks" I mean there are still some semi-serious issues, for me anywya
[21:15] <arand> bitplane: SRU the buggers ;)
[21:15] <lvh> Hi
[21:16] <lvh> Is the way to get the smallest possible Ubuntu desktop install still "download the server edition and then add packages as required"
[21:16] <Pici> lvh: I'd suggest using the minimal install myself, but yes.
[21:17] <lvh> Pici: Oh, there's a minimal install -- I wasn't aware.
[21:17] <Pici> !minimal
[21:17] <lvh> Pici: Accessible from the desktop install media?
[21:18] <Pici> lvh: No, its a separate iso.
[21:18] <lvh> Cool, thanks.
[21:18] <lvh> Pici: Yeah, sorry, I asked my question before I saw the bot response
[21:18] <Pici> lvh: If natty isn't listed there, just replace the release name on one of the links, the files should be there.
[21:18] <lvh> Cool, thanks.
[21:33] <mzuverink> I have been using classic gnome, I switched to ubuntu w/ unity, and did not like it so I switched back. Upon logging in, it was nothing but a plain wallpaper, no panels, no icons, nothing. It was like my settings for my gnome desktop disappeared.  Has anyone heard of this? Is there a fix? Google has been no help.
[21:34] <jbwiv> anyone using terminator in unity? Seems like I can no longer create multiple windows :-/
[21:35] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/772008
[21:38] <jo-erlend> I have an Atheros wlan adapter. Is it just me, or have I gotten a much higher packet loss ratio since upgrading to natty?
[21:40] <jamalta> hi, i have a quick question. i just installed beta2, and used compizconfig-settings-manager to disable the addon that makes windows stick to the top/bottom of the screen.
[21:40] <mzuverink> No help on restoring the classic gnome desktop settings(panels, etc) after logging in and out of Ubuntu w/ Unity?
[21:41] <jamalta> but after doing that, unity completely screwed up and now when i login all i see is the background
[21:41] <CrustyBarnacle> Pithos will not connect to Pandora after upgrade to Natty.
[21:41] <jamalta> is there something i can try? or a way to reset my compiz configs without reinstalling natty?
[21:41] <nyoger> how do i fully enable the system tray ?
[21:41] <CrustyBarnacle> @jamalta: have you tried logging in with Gnome Classic setting?
[21:41] <Soothsayer> Is there a change or improvement in the battery indicator in 11.04 ?
[21:41] <soreau> jamalta: You can reset compiz settings with ccsm>Preferences>Reset to Defaults
[21:41] <jamalta> soreau: let me try
[21:42] <nyoger> jamalta, i deleted my .compiz/ without any bad effects it recreated it
[21:42] <jamalta> CrustyBarnacle: I can login to the classic setup, but I'd like to get Unity working
[21:42] <jamalta> nyoger: if soreau's suggestion doesn't work, i'll try that. thanks!
[21:42] <jamalta> brb, i have to re-log to test. thanks so much!
[21:42] <nyoger> jamalta, there are hidden directories with config files to all apps
[21:43] <DrHalan> Hey, what packages supplys me with "glibconfig.h"?
[21:43] <DrHalan> package*
[21:43] <maco> !find glibconfig.h
[21:44] <maco> id figure on the latter
[21:44] <DrHalan> yeah but that package is already installed..
[21:44] <maco> the -dev as well?
[21:46] <DrHalan> yeah and i also can't find it under properties>installed files
[21:46] <yofel> has to be though
[21:46] <yofel> libglib2.0-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h
[21:46] <yofel> make sure your buildsystem support multiarch though
[21:47] <yofel> *supports
[21:47] <DrHalan> wait
[21:47] <DrHalan> maybe i just need to add some search directories...
[21:48] <Soothsayer> Is there a change or improvement in the battery indicator in 11.04 ?
[21:50] <nijabo> Soothsayer, not that I have noticed.
[21:50] <CrustyBarnacle> Soothsayer: no improvement/changed is listed on Natty beta page...
[21:50] <CrustyBarnacle> Soothsayer: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[21:50] <Soothsayer> damn
[21:51] <CrustyBarnacle> Soothsayer: was also brought up on Ustream broadcast with Jono Bacon today... not sure if there is a bug on this.
[21:52] <jbicha> Soothsayer: what's the battery problem?
[21:52] <Soothsayer> jbicha: well.. first of all, it's simple and the way it should be
[21:52] <DrHalan> strange the file is just not there
[21:52] <Soothsayer> it should show me the % easily
[21:52] <DrHalan> it should be unter /usr/lib/glib-2.0/glibconfig.h
[21:52] <DrHalan> bu t it's just not there..
[21:52] <Soothsayer> plus, sometimes it does not detect when being charged.. or after i take it out of charge
[21:54] <jbicha> I don't think Design wants a % for the battery
[21:54] <CrustyBarnacle> DrHalen: not in "/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h" ?
[21:56] <CrustyBarnacle> DrHalen: may be in subdirectory of /usr/lib named to your arch
[21:56] <CrustyBarnacle> DrHalen: i386-linux-gnu OR x86_64-linux-gnu
[21:57] <jamalta> I tried deleting the .compiz directory, and also reset the compiz preferences in compizconfig-settings-manager. Doing unity --replace in terminal gives me the following error, though. GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.Unity.Launcher' is not installed.
[21:57] <DrHalan> 64bit but lib64 is just a symlink to lib
[21:57] <jamalta> Any clue as to what it means or what I could do to resolve it?
[21:57] <DrHalan> and there isnt any folder claled /usr/lib/glib-2.0 ....
[21:57] <CrustyBarnacle> DrHalen: /usr/lib/<arch>/glib-2.0/
[21:58] <DrHalan> CrustyBarnacle: ah okaay thanks there it is
[21:58] <DrHalan> why is itplaced there?
[21:58] <BajK> is that grub/kernel panic thing finally solved in natty final? Whenever I start, I have to use gfxpayload=text and disable plymouth or it kernel panics, sometimes it even kernel panics whatever I do… maverick did not do this at all
[21:58] <yofel> DrHalan: we use multiarch in natty
[21:58] <CrustyBarnacle> DrHalen: no idea...
[21:59] <yofel> DrHalan: it's a dpkg thing
[22:00] <DrHalan> the linux folder-layout is so freakingly confusing
[22:00] <yofel> and I mentioned that the file was there a while ago...
[22:00] <yofel> [22:46:46] <yofel> libglib2.0-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h
[22:01] <CrustyBarnacle> jamalta: what is the result of "which unity"?
[22:01] <jamalta>  /usr/bin/unity
[22:01] <jamalta> CrustyBarnacle: ^
[22:01] <yofel> DrHalan: it's so that in the future you can install both 32bit an 64bit libs side by side from the archive, deprecating the need for something like ia32-libs
[22:01] <jamalta> CrustyBarnacle: I'm about to try the steps described in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/754502 (reinstall compiz, unity, etc.)
[22:01] <yofel> don't really know more than that yet..
[22:02] <CrustyBarnacle> jamalta: Good luck... Let us know how that works!
[22:02] <jamalta> CrustyBarnacle: Will do!
[22:02] <jamalta> Hm, it looks like something screwed up when I was running apt (maybe an upgrade?)
[22:03] <jamalta> had to run dpkg --reconfigure -a, it's setting up a lot of stuff... maybe it screwed up my compiz / unity config. Anyways, I'll let you know if this solves my issue or not :).
[22:03] <jamalta> Ha! That was the problem.
[22:03] <CrustyBarnacle> jamalta: a quick "apt-get check" won't hurt.
[22:04] <jamalta> After doing dpkg --configure -a, I did unity --reset and it works! Woo! :)
[22:04] <jamalta> CrustyBarnacle: apt-get check seems to succeed now.
[22:04] <jamalta> Guess I screwed up the compiz / unity packages somehow >.>... my bad.
[22:05] <CrustyBarnacle> jamalta: glad you got it working
[22:05] <jamalta> CrustyBarnacle: thanks for helping out! :)
[22:19] <DaSinge> bye-bye
[22:19] <soreau> Hey is FF4 default in natty?
[22:21] <CrustyBarnacle> soreau: Yes, Firefox 4.0 is the standard web browser
[22:21] <CrustyBarnacle> soreau: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta
[22:21] <soreau> CrustyBarnacle: Do you know if it has that ever so annoying Bing search bar?
[22:22] <CrustyBarnacle> soreau: mine defaults to Google, but Bing is an option...
[22:22] <soreau> Oh god, I hope they don't have Bing installed by default
[22:23] <soreau> I heard it's default in FF4
[22:23] <soreau> The extra little search spam bar thing
[22:34] <ubuntu> Any suggested on a good phone manager for ubuntu 11.04 where I can send text messages from my computer?
[22:35] <Pici> Odd.  Turning setting acpi=off fixed xorg segfaulting.
[22:37] <arand> ubuntu: wammu
[22:37] <ubuntu> Does my phone have to be connected to usb in order for it to work?
[22:41] <BajK> *starting ubuntu 11.04* let'S see if it kernel panics..
[22:41] <histo> ubuntu: you can use google voice and send texts. or you can just email the texts out
[22:42] <histo> soreau: no google is default
[22:42] <ubuntu> Good point histo, thanks!
[22:43] <IDWMaster> Wireless networking seems to be extremely slow in 11.04
[22:44] <IDWMaster> Download speeds are about 13KBPS
[22:44] <yofel> card?
[22:44] <IDWMaster> Atheros
[22:44] <BajK> IDWMaster: hm vice versa here, in 10.10 it did break every 2 minutes, now it works just fine with the new kernel, also atheros
[22:45] <IDWMaster> Strange. I've heard of some people having problems with older versions, then upgrading and it was fixed, while others upgraded and it broke.
[22:45] <BajK> so that's the error I always get "udevd-work[79]: '/sbin/modprobe -bv pci:v00001002d000068C1sv00001025sd00000365bc03sc00i00' unexpected exit status with 0x0009" and then nothing happens
[22:45] <IDWMaster> What causes this kind of problem?
[22:46] <IDWMaster> Is this info of any help? IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:"ELCNet"
[22:46] <IDWMaster>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.457 GHz  Access Point: 00:1B:11:EF:F7:26
[22:46] <IDWMaster>           Bit Rate=81 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm
[22:46] <IDWMaster>           Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[22:46] <IDWMaster>           Power Management:off
[22:46] <IDWMaster>           Link Quality=45/70  Signal level=-65 dBm
[22:46] <IDWMaster>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[22:46] <IDWMaster>           Tx excessive retries:12  Invalid misc:1610   Missed beacon:0
[22:47] <IDWMaster> I'm using the ath9k driver
[22:49] <IDWMaster> Any suggestions?
[22:53] <BajK> how can I remove that vt.whatever=7 thing from the grub boot string? and why is the payload string not replaced and says $Linux_payload?
[23:00] <lucas-arg> weirdd... im still getting errors while booting ubuntu... caps locks stays blinking and boot stops... giving me an error of some irq problem...
[23:03] <lucas-arg> no ideas about that bug??
[23:07] <marenostrum> [is it out]
[23:07] <W3ird_N3rd> what out?
[23:08] <W3ird_N3rd> you, out of the closet?
[23:08] <micahg> marenostrum:  that's for #ubuntu-release-party
[23:08] <marenostrum> micahg: Thanks! :)
[23:12] <yofel> BajK: vt.handoff is hardcoded in /etc/grub.d/10_linux, same as the $linux_gfx_payload part, but that's intentionally a variable I think
[23:13] <BajK> but I think one of them breaks my system startup
[23:13] <BajK> it's either that vt.handoff or the $linux_Gfx_payload or plymouth (quiet splash)
[23:13] <BajK> if I remove all three it starts fine in 95%
[23:15] <yofel> could be, file a bug. There is a blacklsit file that was supposed to be used for such cases. It's still emtpy though
[23:20] <yofel> BajK: btw. you can add GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text to /etc/default/grub to make that use the old default at least
[23:21] <BajK> i tried that
[23:21] <BajK> but it doesnt get replaced
[23:21] <BajK> it still says gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_payload in the grub thing when I press E on startup
[23:21] <yofel> yes, it's not replaced there
[23:21] <pace_t_zulu> hey all
[23:22] <yofel> BajK: I have that set to 1280x800x32 for me and it adds this to grub.cfg before the kernel list
[23:22] <yofel> set linux_gfx_mode=1280x800x32
[23:22] <yofel> export linux_gfx_mode
[23:22] <yofel> so that being a variable is perfectly fine
[23:22] <BajK> ah ok
[23:23] <BajK> I used /etc/default/grub
[23:23] <BajK> and set the GRUB_LINUX_GFXPAYLOAD (or what it is called there)
[23:23] <yofel> yep, that will cause update-grub to add those
[23:23] <aroman1> Hey guys, how can I disable the OSD-Notify bubble I get when my laptop reconnects to WiFi after resuming from suspend?
[23:24] <pace_t_zulu> i'm testing the "Ubuntu Desktop amd64+mac (20110427)" iso ... doing the live session test case... and i get the message "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" ... anyone have any ideas
[23:25] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[23:26] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, from usb or cd?
[23:27] <pace_t_zulu> lcb cd
[23:27] <pace_t_zulu> fresh burned iso
[23:27] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, does your pc handles booting from usb?
[23:28] <pace_t_zulu> lcb its a new system... the new macbook pro (thunderbolt) ... i haven't tried on this hardware
[23:28] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: i had issues on my old MacBook with usb booting... but since then i've heard that the physical port you choose is relevant
[23:29] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, you are not the first with that issue. i don't know if there is a known workaround already but it seems might be resolved burning usb with unetbootin. (better so you don't waste CDs)
[23:29] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: unetbootin ... i'm not familiar
[23:29] <yofel> ask in #ubuntu-testing too if one of the other iso testers had the issue
[23:29] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: i suppose it is too late at this point to get a fix in for the gold master
[23:30] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, the system is not recognizing your installation media, at certain point.
[23:31] <yofel> pace_t_zulu: ask in #ubuntu-testing, if it's a critical issue it's still possible to get an iso respin, even if it's unlikely
[23:31] <pace_t_zulu> yofel: ty
[23:32] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, a good utility to "burn" images to usb
[23:32] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, but look, that is not happening with everybody... probably with some machines only, i don't know. ppl here tried to help on that and digging the mounting devices didn't discover anything abnormal.
[23:32] <lcb> yeap
[23:34] <lcb> yofel, probably nobody did a log yet, of what's going on when that happens.
[23:35] <yofel> probably, even more reason someone should actually file a bug about that
[23:35] <lcb> 3 or 4 people, last few weeks with same issue, here
[23:36] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: i'd suspect my new hardware may have something to do with it ...
[23:36] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: this is a MacBook Pro 8,2
[23:36] <pace_t_zulu> i also have a MacBook 4,1 that i can test against
[23:36] <pace_t_zulu> as well as other apple hardware
[23:37] <pace_t_zulu> i'll pop into #ubuntu-testing
[23:37] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, one of the cases i believe was resolved after turning bios to defaults. but go where yofel  told you.
[23:37] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: apple hardware doesn't use bios ... uses efi instead
[23:37] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, if you can past the logs to a pen or somewhere and fill a bug it would be great
[23:38] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: the thing is this is supposed to be a spin specific to apple hardware... new thing for natty
[23:38] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, didn't know that. but i love apples :)
[23:39] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: you, me, and sabdfl ;)
[23:39] <lcb> oh
[23:39] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, plus me myself and irene (j/k)
[23:40] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: is unetbootin available in ubuntu? or what?
[23:40] <pace_t_zulu> wow... all platforms... nice
[23:41] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, if you discover how to handle that come back here and tell something so ppl here could help others.
[23:41] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, yes, and macs, wins
[23:42] <aber> Is it correct that some hosts from the launchpad build farm got pulled in for front services?
[23:42] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, and it gives you a lot of options when booting
[23:42] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: definitely doing this for the greater community...
[23:42] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: i don't think i'd be concerned about a daily iso otherwise
[23:43] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, there are still updates being done as we speak
[23:43] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: if we do work out a fix, would you know what channel to report it to that would give us the best chance of it landing before the final iso?
[23:43] <yofel> aber: their count does vary indeed for various reasons, #launchpad should know more about that https://launchpad.net/builders/
[23:44] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, best way would be to fill a bug trough ubuntu
[23:44] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, you need to open an account on launchpad, but it's easy.
[23:45] <itaylor57> I installed chromium daily ppa, firefox was miserable and the default chromium was also, but the daily is very good
[23:45] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: yea... i know how to report a bug on launchpad
[23:45] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: do you happen to have an existing bug ID for this issue handy?
[23:45] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, good. even if you don't get a log it might help because other users could add it more stuff to it
[23:46] <yofel> pace_t_zulu: also, once you have the bug on launchpad link it to the test case and mark it as serious, that's the easiest way for it to get noticed
[23:46] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, i didn't find a bug related to that yet, but maybe exists... "installation media not found"
[23:46] <Kano> hi, is there an option for live mode to boot directly into gnome
[23:47] <pace_t_zulu> i'll go look
[23:47] <pace_t_zulu> Kano: live mode always boots directly into gnome (for ubuntu desktop)
[23:48] <lcb> Kano, it gets stuck when is loading Ubuntu (desktop)?
[23:48] <Kano> no i hate unity
[23:48] <pace_t_zulu> Kano: ohh
[23:48] <lcb> Kano, i hate hating but you can logout and login to desktop classic
[23:48] <pace_t_zulu> Kano: i haven't got natty in live mode yet... so i'm not familiar with the unity/gnome2 nuances
[23:48] <Kano> lcb: logout is disabled live
[23:50] <Kano> and switch from ubuntu does not seem to do it
[23:50] <lcb> i think there is a command for that, besides 'gnome-session-save --kill ' (killing graphics)
[23:51] <lcb> i did a launcher sometime ago for forced logouts when system were unstable. let me see..
[23:51] <lcb> system/desktop environment.
[23:52] <Kano> ah, that worked, but without menu entry it is really stupid
[23:53] <Kano> the ureadahead tool seems to need more time than without... at least u 11.04 loses againt kanotix...
[23:53] <Kano> with bootchart
[23:55] <Kano> not much however, after a few times you dont see ureadahead anymore, but when you look at
[23:55] <Kano> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_natty_boot&num=2
[23:55] <Kano> the first boots are really bad with ureadahead..
[23:56] <lcb> gnome-session-save --kill , i guess was the one i had indeed
[23:56] <lcb> Kano, you are running ubuntu for testing or always from a live cd/usb?
[23:57] <Kano> lcb: i installed it for testing my fglrx + mplayer + vlc script
[23:57] <pace_t_zulu> for everyone testing the ISOs ... 20110427.1 just landed
[23:57] <Kano> but i test live of course too
[23:57] <lcb> Kano, and you have 10.10 installed, i suppose
[23:58] <Kano> no the latest snapshot of 11.04
[23:58] <lcb> oh
[23:58] <Kano> when i disable swap, your system needs 8.22 s
[23:58] <lcb> VirtualBox (latest from their site - compatible with natty already)
[23:58] <Kano> my own system needs 5s with bootchart
[23:59] <Kano> yes i like benchmarks where kanotix wins ;)