[01:05] <Eiriksvin> can somone help me, i need to be able to do this offline, but it requires an online download: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652910&highlight=wpn111
[01:11] <Eiriksvin> peoples here, nobodys home:(
[01:16] <ray_> I found this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1381844
[01:17] <ray_> Anyhow I have an unrelated question
[01:18] <ray_> I used to open Chatzilla by opening Firefox first, so I when to the chatzilla channel and they said to use the command "firefox -chat"
[01:19] <ray_> I need to make a launcher and try it first I guess
[01:20] <ray_> I will be back and if the launcher also opens a terminal I will ask my question, if not then I don't have a question
[01:21] <ray_> never mind
[01:21] <ray_> bye
[02:58] <Eiriksvin> i got a silly noob question... is Ubuntu 10.10 maverick? or is there one for each code name?
[03:02] <pleia2> Eiriksvin: 10.04 is lucid, 10.10 is maverick, 11.04 is natty
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[03:05] <Eiriksvin> yeah i found out all about the release months and so on the next one is coming out the end of this month:)
[03:06] <Eiriksvin> imma noob, but this Linux is sweet
[03:09] <Eiriksvin> for the people, by the people... not for the people, to buy... empty their pockets, charge them for antivirus, put them through the ringer when they get one anyway... then empty their pockets again. Wash, rinse, repeat:)
[03:09] <Eiriksvin> ok sorry for the off topic:)
[03:42] <ray_> I am wondering, when I use the terminal and I know I've made a mistake, like for instance I am messing around and decided to man characters such as ", I knew it isn't a command but I've seen this before when the terminal goes from this "ray@ray-desktop:~$" to this ">", what's it for?
[03:46] <ray_> Also, I was searching for every command linux has to offer, but I realize that that would be near impossible, like for instance if I do r tab tab then the terminal will list all the currently installed packages, then I accidentally hit enter because I was trying to get more by hitting enter and it said r wasn't installed, lol
[03:46] <ray_> If I for instance
[03:46] <ray_> Just do tab tab then everything installed is listed
[03:47] <ray_> among that list is !, so I did man !, but there was no man page for it
[03:47] <ray_> Anyways
[03:47] <ray_> So many commands to choose from
[03:49] <ray_> I copied all the commands that were listed, it's nutz
[03:50] <ray_> I mean I copied all the commands listed to a text file
[03:50] <ray_> for instance do "$" and hit tab twice
[03:51] <ray_> I am wondering though if all of what's listed when doing tab tab are all commands?
[03:51] <ray_> I am thinking not
[03:51] <ray_> But I don't no any better
[03:52] <ray_> Which is why I am here asking
[03:53] <ray_> I will leave this open so I can read what someone has to say
[03:57] <LQL> quest: i am using xubuntu, my software mgr is 'recommending' a load of KDE software? should i load it?
[03:57] <LQL> it seems to be redundant software
[03:58] <UbuntuN00b> does anyone use midnight commander still or do they just use gnome commander?
[04:11] <jolow> general question: i use xubuntu and my software mgr is 'recommending' that i load quite a few KDE apps?
[04:11] <Eiriksvin> can someone help me?
[04:11] <jolow> i want to know is this software redundant?
[04:12] <Eiriksvin> can somone help me wix this?
[04:12] <holstein> hey all :)
[04:12] <holstein> jolow:
[04:13] <jolow> yes
[04:13] <holstein> what are you trying to install?
[04:13] <holstein> some KDE apps will need a lot of KDE packages
[04:13] <holstein> you'll just have to decide if thats OK for you
[04:13] <holstein> OR use something that doesnt require so much KDE :)
[04:13] <holstein> would i?
[04:13] <Eiriksvin> im following a tutorial
[04:13] <holstein> depends
[04:13] <holstein> if its something i really had to have
[04:14] <holstein> and i had plenty of hard drive space
[04:14] <holstein> why not
[04:14] <holstein> wont hurt anything*
[04:14] <jolow> the software recomendations are for all ubuntu
[04:14] <holstein> Eiriksvin: i dont see a question in the scroll back, whats up?
[04:15] <holstein> jolow: 'all ubutnu' ?
[04:15] <Eiriksvin> ok this is the tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652910&highlight=wpn111
[04:16] <holstein> Eiriksvin: you wont need a lot of that
[04:16] <jolow> i just wanted to know why software mgr is recommending KDE when i am running Xubuntu?
[04:16] <Eiriksvin> yeah, i just skipped to this:
[04:16] <holstein> Eiriksvin: you just need the netwpn11.inf file
[04:16] <holstein> and ndisgtk
[04:17] <holstein> jolow: what are you trying to install?
[04:17] <jolow> nothing
[04:17] <holstein> yeah?
[04:17] <Eiriksvin> yeah but i got a different driver for mine from the company
[04:17] <holstein> then what are you doing in there jolow ?
[04:17] <jolow> software mgr is recommending softeware
[04:17] <holstein> close the package manager and relax :)
[04:18] <Eiriksvin> its installed and it says the hardware is there, but it wont do the winking light like the tutorial says
[04:18] <holstein> jolow: the reason you get KDE software added is to support KDE apps
[04:18] <holstein> SO
[04:18] <holstein> something is going on there with a KDE application
[04:18] <holstein> OR
[04:18] <Eiriksvin> how do i get it to work?
[04:18] <holstein> something is accidentally flagged to pull in something KDE
[04:19] <holstein> jolow: the #xubuntu team is quite active usually
[04:19] <jolow> i tried
[04:19] <holstein> jolow: tried?
[04:19] <jolow> at the channel
[04:19] <holstein> OH
[04:19] <holstein> jolow: well, whats the problem?
[04:19] <holstein> are you trying to do an update?
[04:20] <holstein> upgrade*
[04:20] <holstein> jolow: is this xubuntu 11.04 ?
[04:20] <jolow> wanted to know why it is recommending KDE stuff that seems redundant
[04:20] <jolow> 10.10
[04:20] <holstein> jolow: i would try and review what all you have installed
[04:20] <holstein> see what is pulling in what
[04:20] <holstein> and why
[04:21] <jolow> ok thx i'll do that
[04:21] <holstein> jolow: how about in the terminal?
[04:21] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[04:21] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:21] <holstein> do you still see the same KDE apps?
[04:21] <jolow> havn't checked it
[04:21] <holstein> Eiriksvin: im not sure whats going on
[04:21] <jolow> i'll try that also
[04:22] <holstein> these days, hardware is so cheap
[04:22] <holstein> i usually fire off a nasty email to the vendor
[04:22] <holstein> and replace it
[04:22] <holstein> that being said
[04:22] <holstein> Eiriksvin: there was another option i linked to you before
[04:22] <holstein> one without using the windows drivers
[04:22] <holstein> did you try that?
[04:25] <holstein> Eiriksvin: HEY
[04:26] <holstein> did you try the windrivers package
[04:26] <holstein> from that page?
[04:26] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54578&d=1198939980
[04:26] <holstein> i seem to remember you using win7 drivers
[04:46] <ray_> I don't know where to go to ask a question I have, I guess I should to off topic
[07:20] <UndiFineD> o/
[10:24] <karthick87> UndiFineD: hi
[10:24] <UndiFineD> hello karthick87
[12:41] <karthick87> cprofitt: hi \o/ ?
[12:42] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha everyone
[13:49] <ray_> hello
[13:50] <ray_> I did man mednafen and it's a joke right?, where's mednafen's real man page?
[13:52] <ray_> I guess this makes up for not having a real man page for mednafen then, bye
[13:53] <ray_> I am not sure if I pasted this sorry
[13:53] <ray_> http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/documentation/
[13:53] <ray_> bye
[14:54] <ray_> hello
[14:54] <ray_> I am trying to understand how to get mednafen to work
[14:55] <ray_> I thought my keyboard worked with it for game play but no
[14:55] <ray_> I thought my joystick wouldn't work for
[14:55] <ray_> What am I doing wrong
[14:55] <ray_> yes, control-shift-1
[14:55] <ray_> that doesn't seem to work for me
[14:55] <ray_> What am I doing wrong?
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> ray_: I haven't got experience with mednafen, sorry :)
[14:57] <ray_> It's OK
[14:57] <ray_> I once tried to get mednafen to work and couldn't
[14:57] <ray_> I am not sure what game system I was trying before though
[14:58] <ray_> now I am trying nes, I want xbox 360 wireless controller support and to be able to do game saves
[14:59] <MrChrisDruif> What is mednafen in the first place? Some emulator?
[15:00] <ray_> I know there are other emulators, but I am trying to give mednafen a chance but I am not huge on commandline drive programs
[15:00] <ray_> It's a multi emulator I think
[15:01] <coz_> http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/
[15:01] <coz_> their channel is   #mednafen
[15:02] <ray_> It can emulate nes, Atari Lynx, GameBoy Advance, and other
[15:02] <ray_> I was just there
[15:03] <ray_> I guess I should go back so I can log anything they might say
[18:01] <coalwater> hi jledbetter :P
[18:01] <jledbetter> hi coalwater :p
[18:01] <coalwater> lol, didn't expect that you'd actually reply
[18:01] <jledbetter> When my name is said, I get pinged and my window flashes :)
[19:03] <linh> hello
[19:04] <linh> this is kristian_aalborg demonstrating the wonders of IRC
[19:04] <linh> holstein, ping
[19:40] <knowbody> how do you track more than one chat channel at a time efficiently?
[20:00] <antiphysicist> magic
[20:38] <MrsHillBilly> Hello. I have just installed Ubuntu but I cannot access the internet. My wireless connection says device not ready - firmware missing. Can anyone help please
[20:38] <jledbetter> knowbody, some chat clients allow you to have something happen when someone types your name. That helps me. That way if someone really wants me to see something, they type my name and my window alerts me to come read.
[20:39] <MrsHillBilly> !help
[20:39] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[20:39] <MrsHillBilly> jledbetter
[20:40] <jledbetter> For example, my window just flashed. Hello, MrsHillBilly
[20:40] <MrsHillBilly> Hello
[20:41] <jledbetter> MrsHillBilly, What type of machine did you install Ubuntu on? Netbook? Laptop? PC?
[20:41] <MrsHillBilly> PC
[20:41] <jledbetter> MrsHillBilly, What kind? And internal wireless card or external?
[20:42] <MrsHillBilly> Internal
[20:42] <jledbetter> Do you have wired internet access?
[20:42] <MrsHillBilly> No
[20:43] <MrsHillBilly> We have a wireless router
[20:44] <jledbetter> Sounds like you need additional driver. Maybe could try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43%20-%20No%20Internet%20access ?
[20:44] <MrsHillBilly> Ok Thanks
[20:44] <jledbetter> Hope it helps :)
[20:44] <MrsHillBilly> Will try. If not I will be back £åügHîñg Øüt £öüÐ
[21:10] <asterismo> hi people
[21:11] <asterismo> i have a problem with my ubuntu box
[21:12] <coz_> asterismo,  what is the problem?
[21:14] <asterismo> slow system, do not know if it is kswapd0, the io scheduler... iotops are on the roof and i have a very high load
[21:14] <asterismo> hdd led is always on
[21:14] <asterismo> is driving me crazy
[21:14] <coz_> asterismo,  do you htop installed?
[21:14] <coz_> asterismo,  if you install that then open it ,, it should show you want is taking up most of the resources
[21:15] <coz_> you can then click any process and hit F9  I believe to end process
[21:16] <coalwater> top is installed by default
[21:16] <coalwater> dunno what's differnet in htop though
[21:16] <coz_> coalwater,  can you disable processes on top?
[21:16] <coz_> with top rather
[21:16] <coalwater> u get the process id, then u can do kill id
[21:16] <coalwater> or do killall process_name
[21:17] <coz_> coalwater,  with htop  you just click to highlight the process and hit F9
[21:17] <asterismo> i have top and iotop
[21:17] <coz_> well  I prefer it
[21:17] <asterismo> installing htop
[21:17] <asterismo> ...
[21:18] <asterismo> is not a particular process
[21:18] <asterismo> is the whole system
[21:19] <coz_> mm
[21:19] <asterismo> windows start to grey out and not responding
[21:19] <asterismo> starting a terminal takes 10 to 30 secs
[21:19] <coz_> asterismo,  I assume this  is ubuntu 10.10 .. yes?
[21:19] <asterismo> this is so painfull
[21:19] <asterismo> yes
[21:19] <asterismo> on a P4 2.8GHz
[21:20] <coz_> asterismo,  and which video card
[21:20] <asterismo> 500GB 7200 RPM samsung HDD
[21:20] <asterismo> with 512 MB of RAM
[21:20] <asterismo> it should do it
[21:20] <asterismo> 64 MB ATI Radeon 7000
[21:20] <coz_> asterismo,    in terminal     lspci | grep -i bga
[21:20] <asterismo> i dont have compiz enabled and my gnome desktop is minimalist
[21:20] <coz_> asterismo,  ok that 64 meg video card may be the issue,, is compiz runnint?
[21:21] <asterismo> returns nothing
[21:21] <coz_> sorry
[21:21] <coz_> asterismo,   lspci | grep -i vga
[21:21] <asterismo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[21:22] <coz_> asterismo,  is this a laptop or desktop
[21:22] <asterismo> desktop
[21:22] <coz_> asterismo,  and is compiz running?
[21:22] <asterismo> compiz do not make any difference
[21:22] <coz_> asterismo,     hit   alt+F2   type    metacity --replace
[21:22] <coz_> hit enter
[21:23] <asterismo> i use metacity
[21:23] <coz_> asterismo,  ok so compiz is not running  ...yes?
[21:24] <coz_> asterismo,  is this a clean install of ubuntu 10.10  or did you upgrade from 10.04
[21:24] <asterismo> clean install 2 months ago and reinstalled everything 2 days ago and the problem persists
[21:25] <coz_> asterismo,   was it the same  2 months ago?
[21:25] <asterismo> yes
[21:25] <coz_> asterismo,   mm   I am guessing it is the video card  ..if the entire system is dragging   it most likely is video card
[21:26] <coz_> asterismo,  do you have access to another machine or another video card?
[21:26] <asterismo> no
[21:26] <asterismo> but look at this iotops and tops
[21:26] <asterismo> wait
[21:26] <coz_> asterismo,  ok
[21:28] <asterismo> iotops
[21:29] <asterismo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/599970/
[21:30] <asterismo> and tops
[21:30] <asterismo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/599973/
[21:30] <asterismo> look at the high loads
[21:30] <asterismo> 5 and 4
[21:30] <asterismo> i never had those values
[21:30] <coz_> asterismo,   open a terminal
[21:30] <coz_> asterismo,   sudo killall gmrun
[21:30] <coz_> asterismo,  sudo millall transmission
[21:31] <coz_> rather
[21:31] <asterismo> in that iotops and tops i was using compiz, but it make no difference, iḿ not using any propietary driver fr the ATI Radeon 7000 and it runs fine
[21:31] <coz_> sudo killall transmission
[21:31] <asterismo> but those apps are running just fine
[21:31] <coz_> asterismo,  kill them for now
[21:31] <asterismo> is just the system do not respond and invents up all this high numbers
[21:31] <asterismo> the only grey app is firefox sometimes
[21:31] <asterismo> and nautilus
[21:32] <coz_> asterismo,  after killing those 2 apps  try nautilus and firefox again
[21:33] <asterismo> wait here is htop you asked
[21:34] <asterismo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/599980/
[21:34] <coz_> asterismo,  ok now htop doesnt look too bad
[21:36] <coz_> asterismo,  in the first link  this is top/
[21:36] <coz_> ?
[21:36] <coz_> nevrmind
[21:36] <coz_> iotops
[21:37] <asterismo> mouse is choppy
[21:37] <coz_> asterismo,  something isdefinitly using up resources there,, but I am puzzled
[21:37] <asterismo> mouse have a cut motion
[21:38] <coz_> asterismo,  what else do you have running right now?
[21:38] <asterismo> i googleled about ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[21:38] <asterismo> kswapd0
[21:38] <asterismo> the io scheduler
[21:38] <asterismo> i changed it to "deadline"
[21:39] <asterismo> but no noticeable difference
[21:39] <asterismo> i found this bug
[21:39] <asterismo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/159356
[21:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 159356 in linux "System freeze on high memory usage" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:39] <asterismo> !159356
[21:39] <ubot2> Factoid '159356' not found
[21:40] <coz_> asterismo,  not sure  here is a quick example of iotop on my system    http://paste.ubuntu.com/599982/
[21:41] <coz_> asterismo,  so somehow we have to find what is using up the resources for you
[21:41] <asterismo> good question
[21:42] <asterismo> when system is idle i have similar iotops
[21:42] <asterismo> all zeros...
[21:42] <asterismo> but not when using it or waiting apps to start
[21:43] <coz_> asterismo,  apparenlt  the system is using swap which would account for slow down
[21:43] <asterismo> when i switch between tabs... iotop gets very high
[21:43] <asterismo> but not the CPU
[21:43] <asterismo> CPU is kinda quiet
[21:44] <asterismo> the hard drive is a sata 2 taken by the mobo as sata 1
[21:44] <asterismo> is a 720 rpm 500 gb hdd
[21:44] <asterismo> it should be fast enough
[21:45] <asterismo> i mean
[21:45] <asterismo> it only swapped 100 -200 mb
[21:46] <asterismo> and the behavior is the same even with 40 mb of used swap
[21:46] <asterismo> it doesnt matter
[21:46] <coz_> asterismo,   then I am puzzled,,, what you can do is go to the ##linux channel and as there,, someone may have a solution
[21:46] <coz_> asterismo,  if you find ou t let us know
[21:49] <kristian_> holstein, ping
[21:53] <holstein> kristian_: pong-o-la
[21:54] <coalwater> that seems to be a modern way to ping
[21:55] <kristian_> it's how they ping in Hawaii
[21:55] <kristian_> holstein, got WAN experience?
[21:55] <kristian_> as in, setting them up?
[22:02] <holstein> kristian_: what are you trying to do
[22:02] <holstein> ?
[22:03] <kristian_> holstein, sorry, all over the place
[22:03] <kristian_> just an apartment WAN for someone I know
[22:04] <holstein> kristian_: like a router?
[22:04] <kristian_> yes
[22:04] <holstein> what specifically are you trying to accomplish?
[22:04] <kristian_> and a dongle
[22:04] <kristian_> I'm trying to figure out if I should go for used stuff and half price
[22:04] <holstein> depends
[22:04] <kristian_> or be prepared for ipv6 and such
[22:05] <holstein> i really like the ddwrt firmware
[22:05] <holstein> on the old linksys hardware
[22:05] <kristian_> this is not for heavy gaming or anything like that
[22:05] <holstein> for routers*
[22:05] <holstein> IF you need gigabit on the local network
[22:05] <holstein> then you might want to spend some money
[22:05] <holstein> otherwise
[22:06] <holstein> older 54g technology is usually more than adequet for a few wireless machines
[22:06] <holstein> especially since the bottleneck is usually still the ISP
[22:06] <kristian_> yeah
[22:09] <holstein> my network is bascially 3 or so lynksys routers
[22:09] <holstein> as wireless bridges
[22:09] <holstein> where and when needed
[22:09] <holstein> so far
[22:10] <holstein> rarely, when im moving stuff locally
[22:10] <holstein> i'll wish i had N or gigabit lan or whatever
[22:10] <holstein> im usually just wishing i have more bandwidth from the ISP
[22:41] <kristian_> holstein, thanks for input
[22:42] <kristian_> I'm too tired to think much about it
[22:42] <kristian_> see ya around
[23:11] <fatharrahman_> hi
[23:11] <fatharrahman_> 2day is 28
[23:11] <fatharrahman_> 04.11
[23:12] <fatharrahman_> is natty ready foor download?
[23:12] <fatharrahman_> I have been waiting
[23:13] <fatharrahman_> all this time for this moment
[23:13] <fatharrahman_> 04.11 TA DA !!
[23:13] <pleia2> fatharrahman_: no, it happen some time on the 28th UTC time, no specific time (and it's still the 27th UTC)
[23:13] <yofel> hey, there's no fixed time for the release, it'll probably take a few more hours
[23:14] <yofel> join #ubuntu-release-party in the meantime ;)
[23:39] <Average_Guy> I currently am running linux mint 8. I need to upgrade it is getting outdated.  I WANT to run Ubuntu.  The reason for mint 8 tho is it is the only one that will install... EVERY other version and distro (I have them all) 32 or 64 bit- My keyboard dosen't work.  I think its a hardware problem (Acer 5517) but idk. Anyone?
[23:41] <pleia2> Average_Guy: doesnt work in the installer, or after you boot up into the installed system?
[23:41] <Average_Guy> in the installer
[23:41] <Average_Guy> u need it
[23:41] <pleia2> you might want to give the alternate installer a try
[23:42] <pleia2> it's not as pretty, but it gets your system installed and may not have the keyboard problem
[23:42] <Average_Guy> well even if i run off the cd
[23:42] <Average_Guy> still no keyboard
[23:42] <pleia2> right, it could just be a problem with the live session the regular installer launches to install
[23:42] <coalwater> might be a bios problem ?
[23:43] <Average_Guy> i doubt the bios thing simply because i running win 7 and mint 8 right now
[23:43] <Average_Guy> no prob
[23:44] <Average_Guy> if you think the alt installer is worth a shot i'll try
[23:44] <Average_Guy> how?
[23:44] <Average_Guy> i have a factory 10.10 cd
[23:45] <pleia2> Average_Guy: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download
[23:45] <pleia2> it's a separate CD
[23:45] <Average_Guy> oh :(
[23:46] <Average_Guy> 10.10 or 10.04?
[23:46] <pleia2> whichever one you wish to use
[23:46] <Average_Guy> k
[23:46] <Average_Guy> thx