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cjohnstong'nite00:02
cjohnstonAlanBell: it doesnt look like you defined this different div's.. is that correct?00:05
cjohnstonoutside of the inline css00:06
cjohnstonAlanBell: the problem was I don't think an iframe can end itself (<iframe .... />) when I did (<iframe ...> </iframe> everything got all better00:12
cjohnstonmhall119: AlanBell https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/padpage/+merge/59145  <--- should fix issues with the pad page.. plus I moved the stuff to the bottom.. ;-)00:17
ScottLakgraner, jcastro i'll see about signing up tonight00:24
jcastrosalgado-afk: I've edited those answers to do ~/.local instead, nice eye!01:51
jcastrosalgado-afk: next time just feel free to submit edits to the answers, they get peer reviewed and checked regularly!01:52
salgado-afkjcastro, cool; I didn't edit it myself because I wasn't 100% sure it was supposed to work02:06
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ScottLakgraner, jcastro: i've signed up for a slot in openweek04:33
akgranerScottL, awesome!!! Thank you!04:36
nigelb*yawn* morning05:00
dholbachgood morning07:31
duanedesignmorning mr holbach08:13
dholbachhey Duane08:14
dpmhey all09:08
dpmmorning09:08
duanedesignhello 0/09:38
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nigelbhello09:58
popeyGreetings!10:10
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nigelbJust for the record, I HATE banks.10:18
popey:)10:19
* popey hands nigelb some bitcoins10:19
nigelbpopey: I dropped a cheque on 20th, I still haven't got the money :\10:19
nigelbI was tracing it today for half the day.10:20
dholbachJoeb454, thanks a bunch10:20
jussinigelb: cheques...  people still use those? :D10:25
popeyjussi: we have only one bill we pay by cheque10:33
popeythey refuse to do direct debit or standing order10:33
jussipopey: and netbank money move?10:33
popeythey dont let us10:34
popeyit's cheques or nothing10:34
jussialmost all bills here are paid by netbank...10:34
popeydunno what they'd do with a big bag of cash10:34
jussistrange10:34
popeynah, just an old fart10:34
jussiWe have this awesome service, wher bills come in the "mail" (read online service) - you log onto it with your bank codes via the banks single sign on service. then we copy the barcode number to the bank, it fills in all the details, and click pay.10:35
jussisome banks even have proper integration, with a"pay" button on the buttome of the e-bill.10:36
popeythis guy uses paper10:37
popeyi dont mind tbh10:37
jussiif the bill isnt electronically supported (ie. paper version) , you go to your netbank, fill in the details and click pay...10:37
popeyi get to practice my signature which I dont do often10:37
jussilol10:37
nigelbheh10:39
* jussi really appreciates the banks being in the 21st century here...10:40
head_victimjussi: just hope they have better security than sony ;)10:41
popey:)10:41
jussihead_victim: yes - 3 factor authentication is helpful10:41
head_victimThat being said someone in Europe tried to use my Credit Card at a University to pay for something or other once (considering I live in Australia), I noticed within 24 hours money was gone and the bank got it back to me just by filling in a statutory declaration. Now I just make sure I check it regularly enough to know when money is gone from my available balance but not my account when it shouldn't be.10:43
head_victimI've found though paying large bills via the internet difficult, house renovations for example the chequebook was marvellous.10:43
popey\o/ I have no credit card :)10:44
head_victimWell my "credit card" is a Visa card hooked to a debit account.10:44
jussiyeah, I have one of those10:45
jussi"Visa Debit"10:45
jussivery useful10:45
head_victimThey're pushing them hard over here for the last few years, I've had one over a decade but they only really started advertising them in the last 2 years (just about the time of the GFC funnily enough)10:46
jussiwe have a system here for some places that you need to use the single sign on from the bank to auth your credit card for online purchases. Its awesome - I wish it could be integrated in more places10:48
head_victimI haven't seen anything like that here yet, I do bank at a small credit union though so it's possible others have seen it. Our newest invention is tap and go style transactions. You don't need a pin or signature, scares the hell out of me10:49
jussierr, how does that work? o.O10:53
head_victimFor example, in a drive through, you hand your card over, say you want to use the credit option, they swipe it and as long as the value is under about 50 bucks you don't need a pin or signature.10:54
head_victimI nearly had an argument the first time they tried it on me until I called my bank to find out it was for real.10:54
popeyyeah, i have seen that in the UK10:54
jussicripes!10:55
head_victimSo all you need to do is steal someone's card and make sure you only make transactions less than 50 bucks and it's all "legit"10:55
popeycant remember what it was though10:55
popeyhead_victim: i suspect it's only specific merchants that can do that, not everyone10:55
jussino thanks to that :(10:55
jussiif anyone here has ideas for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/UDS-O/Ideas - I'd appreciate them10:56
head_victimpopey: sounds about right, still scary as hell if you ask me. Although it is a feature of a certain bank that any retailer can have a "tap and go" so you don't even need to swipe if it's under 100 bucks10:56
jussianything you think needs addressing for the irc council10:57
head_victimjussi: only thing I can think of is "clean up channels in U namespace" might include ensuring all namespace channels have adequate moderation, if that wasn't already implied.10:59
jussihead_victim: could you add that as its own item? its related, but not the same11:00
head_victimOk, am I allowed? I'm a lowly nobody who won't be at UDS11:00
jussihead_victim: certainly, anyone can add stuff11:01
head_victimjussi: done, added a little more11:03
jussiexcellent, thank you.11:03
head_victimFeel free to modify as required.11:03
jussiIf anyone else has ideas, grumbles, thoughts? Id really appreciate input.11:04
head_victimOverall I think you all do an amazing job to be honest, the fact that there isn't much to talk about is in itself testament to the work already done.11:05
jussi:) thanks!11:05
jussiThings are getting better, but there are still many things to improve11:06
nigelbjussi: I wish you folks could control the screw ##ubuntu channels11:06
nigelbg4311:06
jussinigelb: freenode failing, not ours. sadly.11:06
jussiIm talking about this here because I want some no operator input ;)11:07
nigelbI realized that11:07
head_victimIs there much that is ##ubuntu ?11:07
head_victimA simple list only revealed 2 channels, both of which look like they could easily transferred to # with the right conversation.11:08
* jussi hasnt looked for a while - I generally only concern myself with namespace chans11:09
cjohnstonAlanBell: ping11:09
AlanBello/ cjohnston11:16
Joeb454dholbach: no problem :)11:17
dholbach:)11:17
cjohnstonAlanBell: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/padpage/+merge/59145  <-- can you look please11:18
cjohnstonoff to work11:19
AlanBellcjohnston: looks good11:20
AlanBellapart from the attendees at the bottom of course, but as you fixed the other stuff I won't argue!11:20
cjohnstoneverything work for you and look like it should?11:20
cjohnstonlol11:20
cjohnstonI just think that the pad is more important than the attendees and the links11:21
cjohnstonyou could make the meeting title a link to the blueprint11:21
AlanBellyeah, but I think when the pad is empty you have to scroll past it to see them11:21
cjohnstonbut I had to scroll down to see the pad11:21
cjohnstonI have never horribly much cared who the attendees are.. dunno if thats just me11:21
AlanBellwell we can see what other people think, easy to move back11:22
cjohnstonfeel free to solicit other opinions tho11:22
* popey agrees that the pad > attendees11:22
AlanBellattendees perhaps, but also links to separate etherpad window, track daily summary, live audio, wiki page, blueprint are now at the bottom too11:25
cjohnstonI don't think any of those are of greater importance than the pad tho... and as I said, some of those links *could* be put in subnav11:27
cjohnstonnot all would fit tho11:27
cjohnstonim out11:28
AlanBellI guess I am thinking about it from a remote perspective11:28
AlanBellI want the link to the live audio and I want to know who the voices are11:29
AlanBellnigelb: did you get any etherpad theme hacking done?11:35
nigelbAlanBell: I'm working on it11:42
nigelbAlanBell: got it installed and ready for hacking :)11:42
AlanBellgreat11:42
* AlanBell fails at finding stuff in rt.ubuntu.com11:48
AlanBelljcastro: any update from IS? I can't find the rt11:49
czajkowskiAlanBell: find jpds and ask him nicely11:52
czajkowskisearcing in RT is a PITA!11:53
czajkowskibut he works some voodoo on it11:53
AlanBellit is elmo that is doing the etherpad I think11:53
AlanBellwhat are your views on the link position czajkowski?11:56
czajkowskion what12:01
czajkowskiAlanBell: ???12:09
* AlanBell hopes that didn't sound rude out of context :)12:10
AlanBellczajkowski: on summit12:10
AlanBellhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/community/12:10
AlanBellclick the notpad icon on a session12:10
AlanBelltakes you somewhere like http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-developer-initiatives/12:11
czajkowskihttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-monday-roundtable/12:11
czajkowskiyes12:11
czajkowskioh the link is not easy to see or big enough tbh12:11
AlanBellthere isn't masses of room for it12:13
czajkowskiaye12:13
czajkowskimayeb a different colour something that makes it stand out12:13
AlanBellhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/media/img/pad.png12:13
AlanBellwhat colour?12:13
czajkowskiRED12:14
czajkowskimake it stand out12:14
czajkowskiit's not clear what it is atm12:14
czajkowskiit will on day 312:14
AlanBelltbh I would like to make the session title a link to it, but that is going to annoy people who want the title to be a link the the blueprint12:14
czajkowskibut not on day 112:14
AlanBellnot sure12:18
AlanBellit is already bolder than the other icon that turns up, and whatever colour it is will clash with at least one of the track colours12:18
czajkowskitrue12:19
head_victimAs an outsider, I found it fairly easy to follow as is if that helps confirm anything for you. And that is a pretty slick integration I might add.12:21
AlanBellthanks12:21
AlanBellI know some people are going to *hate* it because it isn't exactly like it was before12:22
head_victimMeh, if everyone were happy there'd be nothing to fix.12:22
AlanBellyup12:23
czajkowskihead_victim: approved that mail btw12:24
head_victimczajkowski: thanks, I just thought it merited a second opinion. I want to encourage more people to put content there but I also don't want it to become a spam board.12:25
czajkowskiyeah which it could end up being imo each planet for loco is up to them but me personally I am rather anti advertising but thats just me12:26
czajkowskiI dont want to read it on a planet12:26
czajkowskiothers ma have different views12:26
head_victimI was thinking if they could give us a more narrow field that is not necessarily more "relevant" but less like reading a flyer from your letterbox I'd be happy I think.12:26
czajkowskiup to ye really12:28
czajkowskiit the loco team feed12:28
head_victimFair enough, I might ask around a few of the more active regulars to gauge opinion then, we have some release parties coming up that I could gently suss it out at.12:30
czajkowskiyeah  mean12:36
czajkowskiwould you really want to read a planet where it is full of advertising12:37
czajkowskior full of content from your members is what it comes down to tbh12:37
AlanBellthe rule in a forum I used to be in was that if you have a new product you are allowed to announce it, once, with information and no hype12:38
head_victimI might put to to them they need to create a feed with less advertising and I could then add that. If they're willing to come to the party I don't really mind that it's in a business name as long as not every post is selling their stuff. I'll give them points for trying a new advertising route though.12:40
AlanBellpersonally I would like to get more businesses participating12:42
AlanBellmy blog is to some extent a business blog, but I don't really post advertising on it12:44
czajkowskiAlanBell: I think it's going to depend on the loco12:44
czajkowskiI'd also crack up if I saw it on main planet tbh12:44
AlanBellI haven't seen the post in question12:45
head_victimAlanBell: yeah I really don't mind the content of some of the posts for that specific instance, I think it's more the large number of advertising on posts that appear to form part of the post instead of something tha twould be stripped.12:46
head_victimActually that might be mainly due to the feed aggregation tool they have chosen to use.12:48
* dholbach hugs james_w14:26
james_wit worked?14:26
dholbachit looks like it14:27
dholbachsyncing14:27
dholbachNICE14:27
dholbachjames_w, I bought a bunch of stuff yesterday - looks like I have enough together for a few small sets :)14:28
james_wnice14:28
akgranerjcastro, we have two open slots - I'm going to go ahead and write up a press release and add more detail to the wiki today etc...get the speaker and session pages up and all the how to join stuff tweaked...if you come across two more people cam you plop them in there?15:01
akgranernigelb, said fagan would do a session on Ubuntu One but it's not on the schedule yet15:01
jcastroakgraner: yup15:05
jcastroakgraner: davidm didn't respond yesterday15:05
jcastroakgraner: hey I have an idea15:05
jcastroin the release mention that we have room for two more15:05
akgranerk will do...15:07
akgranerI'd give one but again I got no clue what the heck I could tell people about that they don't already know...15:08
dpmjcastro, akgraner, I mentioned to the ubuntu-docs guys if they wanted to run a session, and they're probably going to (they're now discussing it on their mailing list)15:16
jcastroakgraner: nice call on the HAM radio15:16
jcastrothat will be an awesome session15:16
akgranerdpm, great thank you !15:22
nigelbakgraner: ouch, I did put it last night15:32
akgranernigelb, you did15:33
nigelbakgraner: at least I thought I did :\15:33
nigelbI remember putting it in. I blame the wiki :(15:34
nigelbwait15:34
akgranernigelb, then I'm old and blind...can you double check that I am just not missing it :-)  (which could be the case)15:34
nigelbakgraner: I don't see it either.15:35
nigelbakgraner: I don't see my name in history too.15:35
akgraner:-(15:35
akgraneryeah blame the wiki15:35
nigelbakgraner: Now I'm wondering if yesterday was a hallucination.15:35
jcastrodpm: oh cool, j1mc says -doc team is interested15:35
akgranerok so nigelb if you add the Ubuntu one session15:36
nigelbakgraner: I'm checking times with fagan again :(15:37
akgranerand the doc team adds theirs BAM we're golden! :-)15:37
nigelbakgraner: ok, got it in. Check from your end that I haven't missed it :)15:43
akgranernigelb, ok15:43
nigelbI still can't believe I didn't confirm it last night :(15:43
akgraneryep...thanks15:43
nigelbakgraner: sorry again :(15:43
akgranerI'll work on getting the links and IRC nicks correct and added to the calendar and wiki15:44
akgraneras well as tweak the descriptions etc and send out emails and stuff this afternoon/evening time frame15:44
akgranernigelb, not a big deal  :-)  it always works out...15:44
dholbachhey jono15:46
jonohowdy dholbach15:46
nigelbjono!15:46
nigelbnow, we get blueprint spam :p15:47
jonohey nigelb :-)15:47
czajkowskifew mmore days to TEAM reports folks :) make me and nhandler happy this month :)15:51
czajkowskinice to see the canonical folks using the loco directory to attend the release party http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/15:52
jonodholbach, jcastro, dpm, about ready?15:59
dholbachyep15:59
dpmjono, yep16:00
* AlanBell hugs czajkowski for pestering canonical peeps16:07
mhall119czajkowski: \o/16:13
jcastronigelb: cjohnston: mhall119: can someone land the CSS color fixes soon?16:28
nigelbjcastro: point me to the bug?16:28
mhall119jcastro: nigelb can ;)16:28
nigelbYeah, I just got new cow powers :P16:28
mhall119jcastro: we need to get the new conventionist->guidebook changes up soon, before too many people get setup with the old stuff16:29
nigelbjcastro: bug 764984?16:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 764984 in summit "Colors need to be adjusted for UDS-O" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76498416:29
jcastrohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/76498416:29
jcastroyeah16:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 764984 in summit "Colors need to be adjusted for UDS-O" [Undecided,New]16:29
jcastroalso nigelb16:29
jcastrohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/66147816:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 661478 in summit "Determine track based on blueprint title." [Undecided,New]16:30
jcastroI thought we fixed this?16:30
jcastroso if you can check on that16:30
nigelbok, on it.16:30
jcastrobasically, just color based on matching the name16:30
jcastrowe don't care about manually selecting tracks in the admin interface, etc.16:30
jcastroanyone have any clue why linaro sessions didn't get scheduled?16:31
jcastrosalgado: ^^^16:32
jcastrowe ran the scheduler yesterday16:32
nigelbI do see a linaro talk16:32
jcastrobut none of the linaro specs made it16:32
jcastroyet the blueprints look correct to me16:32
jcastroright, the ones I manually added16:32
nigelboh :\16:32
jcastrohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o16:32
jcastrobut these are missing16:32
joeyjcastro: you rang? :-)16:33
jcastrojoey: here's where we talk about summit16:33
jcastroI am asking why your sessiosn didn't get scheduled16:33
salgadojcastro, I was going to check but I see joey's on it already. :)16:34
james_wwho is accepting Linaro sessions for UDS?16:35
AlanBellwhat track are all the cert-* blueprints going to be in?16:35
james_w(the BP "propose for sprint" thing)16:35
joeyjames_w: track leads. You were next on my list. You and mounir have proposed topics16:35
nigelbjcastro: any preference for colors? ;)16:37
james_wwould someone with edit/admin access confirm whether any Linaro sessions are available for scheduling in summit?16:37
james_wif not then we'll look at LP, if they are then summit16:37
jcastronigelb: as long as they're readable16:37
jcastrojames_w: I am investigating now16:38
james_wthanks jcastro16:38
Technovikingjoey: We are needing to get the LP plugin for the forums upgrade to vB 4.x, who would be the best person to talk to?16:38
jcastroI don't see any reason to not have james and salgado not be admins on summit16:38
joeyTechnoviking: mrevell on #launchpad16:39
jcastroall opposed?16:39
jcastrook none.16:39
joeyTechnoviking: or lifeless ...same channel16:39
Technovikingjoey: many thanks16:39
james_wdoes the Design status still matter?16:39
jcastroI don't think so16:39
james_wI thought it used to have to be "Discussion" or something16:39
jcastrook so16:41
jcastrothey're not imported16:41
jcastroso it's not sucking them in from lp16:41
jcastro101 sessions in summit, 161 on launchpad, so we're missing 60.16:42
jcastroand I think they were filed before Daviey ran the importer16:42
joeyjcastro: give you a guess at which ones we're missing. :-)16:45
james_wthere's 148 in the xml that LP exports16:50
james_wthese: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599856/16:53
joeynow that's more like it!16:56
joeyit has all the linaro ones I was expecting16:56
james_wpriority has to be set to appear in the xml16:58
james_wactually no16:59
james_wit only includes blueprints with New/Discussion/Draft17:00
jcastrojames_w: it could very well be that we need to just run the importer again17:00
jcastroDaviey: ping17:00
james_wwhich likely explains the 161/148 discrepancy17:00
Davieyjcastro:17:00
james_wbut yeah, it looks like the importer might not be in cron?17:00
jcastrojames_w: no he only ran it once17:00
Davieyit's currently on manual import17:00
* Daviey runs it again17:00
james_wok, that will be why then17:01
Davieyi'll put it on hourly cron from now, ok?17:01
jcastrosounds good to me17:01
jcastro"let's do it"17:01
jcastrojames_w: salgado: I am sending asac your way17:01
jcastroI guess linaro needs a plenary at 10am while we go to sessions17:02
Davieyimporting now17:02
jcastroand it's impossible to schedule a plenary when the slots are for sessions17:02
james_wlots of the cert stuff won't be imported currently by the look of it17:03
mhall119jcastro: all the more reason it should have been a separate Summit record17:03
james_walso IVI and QA COP17:03
jcastromhall119: I'm all about that, for next UDS.17:04
jcastrojoey: ok I see them in summit now17:04
jcastroalong with a bunch more17:04
mhall119jcastro: it's only a major refactoring of everything, I'm sure nigelb can have it done in a week17:04
jcastromhall119: since UDS is now Ubuntu and Linaro, we have decided that summit is now ISD's responsibility17:05
* jcastro runs17:05
* nigelb looks at mhall119.17:05
mhall119great, at least then I can work on it during the day17:05
joeyjcastro: prove it. :-)  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/linaro-other/17:05
mhall119nigelb: hey, you wanted commit access17:05
joeylol17:06
nigelbjcastro: I agree. Lets dump it on ISD ;-)17:06
jcastrojoey: they're in the admin interface17:06
jcastrobut not displayed for some reason?17:06
mhall119jcastro: honestly, I wouldn't mind if it were17:06
nigelbman17:06
nigelbpicking colors is the most difficult job17:06
nigelbespcially picking so that no two tracks look alike.17:06
mhall119nigelb: just hash the track names and calculate colors from that17:07
nigelbmhall119: I has to be readable.17:07
nigelb*IT17:07
mhall119no it doesn't17:07
mhall119;)17:07
jcastromhall119: the entire thing was designed for ubuntu workflow, adding linaro basically skews the whole thing, it needs a proper look through to make sure it meets the requirements of both orgs17:07
mhall119then just create a list of a couple dozen "readable" colors, and use the index of the track to pick the color17:08
jcastrook so what would cause the tracks to be in the admin UI but not show up on the grid?17:08
nigelbanyway, I got it done ;)17:08
nigelbreviewer will have hell checking if they're readable :p17:08
mhall119jcastro: because render.py is evil17:08
mhall119jcastro: is it a plenary?17:08
mhall119oh, tracks, nevermind17:09
jcastroyeah17:09
mhall119is the track assigned to the correct summit?17:09
dakermhall119, no because render.py is the father of evils :D17:09
AlanBellif you can do a schema change add a colour hex string to the track17:09
nigelbmhall119: the css in schedule/templates/schedule/nextsession.html is commented out. Should I place the new css there too? or just skip?17:09
jcastroyep17:09
Davieyjcastro, If you are changing ANY sessions to track listing in the admin ui, please let me know.17:10
mhall119daker: I think Daviey is the father of render.py17:10
jcastroDaviey: I just changed one17:10
nigelbAlanBell: not this time. too late.17:10
nigelbAlanBell: jcastro wants this in production yesterday :p17:10
jcastroDaviey: I touched linaro-other-o-how-upstreaming-works just now17:10
* jcastro holds off on the touching17:10
jcastroDaviey: just to fill you in while you're in there17:12
Davieyjcastro, what part did you touch?17:12
jcastroI set it's track to "linaro-other"17:12
nigelbDaviey: what does nextsession.html do? You seem to have written it :)17:12
jcastroexplicitly17:13
Davieyjcastro, No worries, the reason i am asking is that there is a script to do this automatically.. i just need to know what ones don't get mapped automatically.17:13
jcastroDaviey: to do what automatically?17:13
Davieynigelb, i think that is the minimal view for IRC.17:13
Davieyerr, IRC projector17:13
Davieyjcastro, assign a session to a track17:13
jcastroyou mean a track to a session?17:13
Davieyyes17:13
jcastroDaviey: oh ok, so we did fix that17:14
jcastrook whew17:14
nigelbDaviey: ah, the session css seems to be commented out. Is that fine?17:14
jcastroman, I was already starting to cry that I was going to have to go back into every session17:14
Davieyjcastro, wait... it changes every cycle.. so i need to know what ones are busted.17:14
* jcastro rests his head on the desk gently17:14
* nigelb hands jcastro oxygen17:14
jcastroDaviey: ok I can do that17:15
jcastrowhat do I do, wait for it to run and then see which tracks aren't scheduling?17:15
dholbachalright my friends - I cal it a day17:18
dholbachsee you all tomorrow17:18
nigelbg'nite dholbach17:18
popeyo/17:18
czajkowskiAlanBell: tbh it was more annoying me they weren't using it so I made it my business to get them to sign up there17:20
czajkowskithey all have a wiki/sign on ac wont kill them to click attending17:21
czajkowskiAlanBell: I've been called a cat herder twice today, I'm going to go with that is a the nice version of a pester or harasser17:24
mhall119heh17:24
czajkowskiI thought there was an option on date/time to show temperature or am I going batty17:27
czajkowskimhall119: to be fair this was from a guy in redhat I get to speak at events for me17:28
czajkowski;) usually when I do harass him17:28
mhall119czajkowski: it was there on Maverick, so perhaps you've just gone natty?17:32
cjohnstonnigelb: if noone has already said it, Daviey said there is another problem that needs to be fixed to make colors work as well...17:33
nigelbcjohnston: oh, what else?17:34
cjohnstonmhall119: Daviey said we should wait to land the guidebook stuff until guidebook is released.. I still vote for remove all untill it is released.. jcastro nigelb <-----17:34
mhall119cjohnston: someone is checking when the guidebook stuff is actually going to be released17:35
Davieycjohnston: I don't care tbh :)17:35
mhall119if it won't be until after UDS, then we can stick with the current conventionist stuff17:35
nigelbok, can I land the css changes now?17:35
mhall119nigelb: has someone reviewed it?17:35
nigelbI'm only going to push it to a branch for review.17:35
jcastrowhat is the guidebook?17:35
nigelbI was hoping cjohnston will land it :p17:35
mhall119that's not "landing"17:35
nigelbaha.17:35
mhall119jcastro: conventionist is being rebraned as "guidebook", they gave us a new URL and QRCode for it, but the change over hasn't happened yet17:36
jcastrooh17:36
mhall119nigelb: "land" == "merge into trunk"17:36
jcastroI saw a mail from davidm fly buy to their CEO guy17:36
mhall119jcastro: yeah, he's trying to figure out what's going on17:36
mhall119at this point, I hope the just hold off on rebranding until after UDS17:37
cjohnstonDaviey: what was it that needs to be fixed with the color stuff?17:37
mhall119cjohnston: new tracks means css changes17:37
Davieycjohnston, the colours for some tracks17:37
jcastrook so I vote not caring about guidebook today and just care about colors and importing17:37
jcastroeverything else is gravy17:37
nigelbmhall119: ah, I'm not going to do that for some time :)17:37
cjohnstonI thought there was a command that was broken as well17:37
mhall119because for some reason track colors are defined by track-named css classes17:37
nigelbthat needs fixing.17:38
nigelblater to be a database field :\17:38
cjohnstontrackfix.py?17:38
nigelbcjohnston: hold your horses, you're going to review it anyway :p17:38
cjohnstoncall17:39
nigelbcjohnston / mhall119 / Daviey: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/summit/fix-colors/+merge/59254 (waiting for diff)17:40
nigelb(diff updated)17:41
czajkowskisome people make my blood boil >:(17:43
* Pendulum hugs czajkowski 17:45
Pendulumdoctormo: congrats!17:46
nigelbPendulum: wait, what happened to doctormo?17:46
doctormoThanks Pendulum :-) I'm jazzed17:46
doctormonigelb can't read my blog17:47
Pendulumaww17:47
nigelbNo, not really :(17:47
* nigelb backdoors into the blog.17:47
doctormonigelb: http://www.facebook.com/17:47
Pendulumnigelb: can you see stuff on devient art?17:47
doctormoWait wrong link17:47
doctormoDeviNTaRT http://fav.me/d3ezd5e17:47
pleia2aww, a little doctormo17:48
nigelbdoctormo: OMG. Congrats!17:48
czajkowskidoctormo: congrats I clicked ont he iumage and was confused as I got a video to the AV vote in UK17:48
doctormo"Congratulations Mr. Owens, It's a national referendum of shame" ;-)17:49
jcastrodoctormo: little bowler hats!17:49
jcastrocongrats17:49
doctormothanks nigelb, czajkowski and nigelb.17:50
nigelbhrm, double love for me? :)17:50
Pendulumand no love for jcastro it seems17:50
Davieyhalf love17:50
nigelbor is jcastro and I interchangeable now? :p17:51
* doctormo give nigelb ♥♥, because he's always cool.17:51
nigelbhaha17:51
jcastroheh17:51
nigelbevery time I use bzr, I remember that mhall119, doctormo, and pleia2 taught me how.17:51
czajkowskiDaviey: no love for you git bag17:51
Davieynigelb: you can get double love when you have an etherpad patch for including a username parameter to a url....ie, pad.ubuntu.com/somepad?_username=nigelb17:51
doctormoBut jcastro needs a nod (stupid keyboard) thanks mate.17:51
* pleia2 hugs nigelb 17:51
Davieyczajkowski: you are the git bag.17:51
czajkowskidear locoteams sometimes I really do wonder about ye17:51
czajkowskiDaviey: am so not!17:51
Davieyczajkowski: am so17:52
czajkowskiDaviey: indeed you are17:52
nigelbDaviey: and how does the username end up being used?17:52
Davieyczajkowski: takes one to know one!17:52
jcastrohttp://guidebookapp.com/getit17:52
jcastrocjohnston: ^17:52
czajkowskiDaviey: you showing your mug tomorrow17:53
Davieynigelb: so, a default username entered as the author.17:53
Davieynigelb: currently we are defaulting to blank... we should be able to add that as a summit autogenerated url17:54
nigelbDaviey: If you approve that code review, I'll write this patch for ya.17:54
mhall119nigelb: was that an appreciation or accusation?17:54
Davieyczajkowski: are you there?17:54
nigelbmhall119: appreciation :-)17:54
mhall119:)17:54
nigelbmhall119: I didn't know what version control was back then.17:54
czajkowskiDaviey: YES!17:54
nigelbThen, I got a whole company to learn it and use it.... :-)17:54
czajkowskiDaviey: seeing as I live here17:55
czajkowskifeckers in ireland giving me grief17:55
czajkowskino pleasing some people17:55
doctormonigelb: learn to teach, teach to learn.17:55
Davieyczajkowski: I didn't realise you were going.... not sure i can make it now, based on this new information. :P17:55
mhall119czajkowski: meh, it's the Irish, what can you  do?17:55
czajkowskimhall119: drink17:55
czajkowski:)17:55
mhall119lol17:55
czajkowskimhall119: it's been a long month17:55
doctormoczajkowski: Where are you going?17:55
mhall119that does seem to be the most popular solution to any problem over there17:56
czajkowskidoctormo: UK loco release party aka canonical release party17:56
czajkowskimhall119: it does, tis why things always just work out17:56
czajkowskigo for a few pints talk it all out and plan thing and yer sorted17:56
nigelbDaviey: you want to land that into the trunk?17:56
nigelbDaviey: the etherpad patch...17:57
mhall119czajkowski: unless http://xkcd.com/617/17:57
doctormoczajkowski: Awesome, I got a request to organise an MA Ubuntu recovery party: trying to get ubuntu working after an upgrade. Some not too happy bunnies.17:57
jcastro!17:57
czajkowskidoctormo: few pints and they wont notice it's not working17:58
doctormojcastro: Mostly hardware issues, graphics and that sort of thing.17:58
czajkowskijcastro: oi !17:58
Davieynigelb: yah17:58
nigelbDaviey: let me update my local repo and get to it. It should be plain js17:58
jcastrohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek17:58
jcastroFULL UP!17:58
czajkowskimhall119: tequila and I are not friends17:58
jcastrojono: all set to tweet/blog openweek! ^^17:59
DavieyI think it shouldn't be too much of a challenge, probably just replicating the ?_theme= entry points.17:59
jonojcastro, cool, will do17:59
nigelbDaviey: plain js :)17:59
Davieynigelb: you will get cookiekarma if you do!17:59
nigelbDaviey: I WANT!18:00
jcastro<------- lunching18:02
* Pendulum is starting to be very sad that she will be 3 days too late to the UK for the party :(18:02
DavieyPendulum, aww, you loser.18:03
PendulumDaviey: blame the wedding. I didn't want to be looking for lodging in/near London nor on the flights packed with tourists18:03
nigelbnow that I run etherpad, I can actually test my changes locally.18:04
nigelbDaviey: does it scare you that I fixed about 3 to 4 bugs on etherpad without actually running it? :P18:04
JFonigelb, that happens often :-)18:05
nigelbJFo: heh, ya know he kinds were you know you're right :)18:05
* JFo attempts to parse ^ :-P18:05
nigelb*the18:05
JFoah, indeed18:06
Davieynigelb, :D18:06
Davieynigelb, does it scare you that i merged it with trunk without testing? :)18:06
nigelbDaviey: I know you did test :D18:07
Daviey:P18:07
JFoDaviey!! we need to have some drinks in B-pest... we will gang up and throw lag in the pool18:07
JFo:)18:08
nigelblag?18:08
JFoLee18:08
JFolag is his IRC nick18:08
macothat confused me too18:09
macowait you're going to throw network latency...what?18:09
JFothat too18:09
nigelbhaha18:09
macoeven though i know who you mean now :P18:09
nigelbok, I can't figure out which Lee :\18:09
maconigelb: kernel18:09
JFoyep18:09
macois there more than one lee on the kernel team?18:09
JFonope18:09
JFoat least, not that I know of18:10
nigelbI just don't know anyone in kernel apart from jfo and pete18:10
maconigelb: sconklin?18:10
JFonigelb, in Budapest I will introduce you18:10
nigelbmaco: oh, kim too :)18:10
nigelbJFo: *IF* I make it.18:10
macoleann...18:10
mhall119nigelb: you'd better make it18:10
JFonigelb, why would you not?18:10
macoJFo: his visa interview hasnt happened yet18:11
nigelbJFo: I still have no idea if I'll get the visa or not. I'm going on Monday.18:11
JFo:-/18:11
mhall119cjohnston put him on a "watch list"18:11
JFoit seems I am friendly with 'radicals' ;-P18:11
macoJFo: hey guess what18:11
JFo...18:11
macoJFo: i got my bass back!18:11
JFocool18:11
mhall119JFo: well akgraner can get pretty crazy18:12
macomhall119: especially with everclear18:12
* JFo was skeptical because when someone says "Hey guess what..." The answer was always 'chicken butt'18:12
JFomhall119, too true18:12
mhall119maco: lol18:13
JFomaco, she doesn't drink Everclear. She dogs people out who don't drink it when she brings it :-)18:13
macohaha18:13
* JFo jests18:13
akgranerum crazy has many definitions18:13
JFoakgraner, tre enough18:13
JFotrue*18:13
mhall119JFo: omg, she does the chicken butt thing too?18:13
mhall119no wonder she and my wife get along so well18:13
JFomhall119, who does?18:13
nigelbakgraner: one of them is 'Behaves like an akgraner'18:13
mhall119JFo: akgraner18:13
JFooh, no18:13
JFothat was just something I recall from my young years18:14
mhall119oh, ok18:14
JFo:)18:14
mhall119cause my wife does that to my kids all the time18:14
JFonever heard akgraner do that18:14
akgranerI dunno what "chicken butt" is....but I intend to find out18:14
* JFo worries18:14
akgranerI have been know to go all chicken head on someone18:14
JFoI don't want to sample any 'chicken butt soup'18:14
akgraners/know/known18:15
mhall119akgraner: it's the part opposite the beak18:15
JFoyou have been known...18:15
nigelbmhall119: hahaha18:15
JFomhall119, nice18:15
JFothe inverse as it were18:15
akgranerok gotta run...bbiab18:15
mhall119$10 says she's off to find some chicken butt18:15
JFosee ya18:15
mhall119her butcher is gonna be all kinds of confused18:16
nigelbthis is why we really need a quotes db18:16
nigelbI might one day stop complaining and just set it up :\18:16
AlanBelldo it!18:17
* nigelb adds to list.18:17
AlanBellschedule a session on it at UDS18:17
cjohnstonmhall119: watch list what who?18:21
=== daker is now known as daker_
cjohnstonThree weeks prior to UDS, ISD team needs to start focusing on summit :-P18:25
mhall119cjohnston: ISD team isn't responsible for summit18:28
cjohnstonSomeone should be18:28
cjohnstonand dont say me18:28
mhall119nigelb then18:29
cjohnston+118:29
JFore: Quotes18:29
* JFo points nigelb to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quotes18:29
JFo:)18:29
nigelbJFo: its not a db like what the mozilla folks have18:30
JForight, but it will do until we have one18:31
nigelbbtw, I have step 1 of etherpad username patch done18:31
nigelbharded coded username, works.18:31
AlanBellJFo: not the funniest quote page I have ever seen18:32
JanCjust make an irc bot that updates and queries that wiki page; I'm sure the wiki server admins will love that...   :P18:33
JFoAlanBell, it is new18:33
JFoJanC, :-)18:33
JFolike "bot, quote"18:33
AlanBellJanC: that presumes there are wiki server admins18:33
AlanBellI am convinced that it is the mythical server that has been bricked up in a cupboard and nobody knows where it is any more18:34
JanCAlanBell: even if they only have 1 min / day to spend on it, they are "wiki server admins"  ;)18:34
JanCand I heard from an admin once who actually had that sort of problem (a server that nobody in the company knew where it was located)18:36
* AlanBell adds a quote18:38
JFoJanC, I have been in such a treasure hunt befpre18:39
JFobefore*18:39
JFowow, spelling worse than normal today18:39
vishthere is a working quote bot on #gnome-hackers. Rupert18:40
AlanBelloh reverse order18:40
PiciI wrote a quote plugin for supybot & django, its far from perfect, but it does let you upvote/downvote via the web interface.18:41
cjohnstonDaviey: any update on having pad.ubuntu.com for UDS?18:52
jcastrocjohnston: I've filed the RT18:55
cjohnstoncool18:56
nigelbim theming :)18:58
AlanBelljcastro: in rt.ubuntu.com?18:59
jcastrono, rt.canonical18:59
AlanBellthat will be why I couldn't find it then18:59
cjohnstonsuper secret squirrel stuff AlanBell that we arent allowed to know about18:59
cjohnstonlol19:00
jcastroAlanBell: Daviey was supposed to walk by elmos desk and wow him with our progress19:00
jcastroAlanBell: It wasn't meant to be secret, I filed it in the RT most likely to be payed attention to19:00
jcastroso it doesn't get lost with "remove my personal information from your mailing lists" garbage19:00
AlanBellthat is a good idea!19:00
cjohnstonHopefully it will happen19:02
cjohnstonnigelb: you can work on the linaro review ;-)19:04
jcastrojono: when can we talk UDs19:13
jcastroI have questions!19:13
czajkowskijcastro: take a ticket and join the queue :)19:16
czajkowskijcastro: any more lightening ?19:16
jcastrono they already replaced the pole19:16
czajkowskiwow that was fast19:16
jcastroyeah it took them all night19:17
jcastrothey were hammering and stuff all night19:17
jcastroDaviey: so is the cron job running now?19:41
joeyjcastro: the link for me to approve specs at the bottom of this page has gone missing for me  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o/+specs19:41
jcastrothere's a bunch of sessions in the sidebar19:41
jcastrojoey: does this work? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o/+settopics19:42
joeyjcastro: oh nm.... user error19:42
jcastronigelb: ok so what's left to do for the colors?19:43
Technovikingjcastro and jono: is it political important for use to keep  a separate forum for dell support?20:27
jcastroI don't know20:28
jcastroI remember they did ask for a subforum specifically20:28
Technovikingnot that we are getting rid of it, but we are talking about how to re-org the forums, and wanted to know what we need to be sensitive to20:29
jonoTechnoviking, not sure20:30
JanCif they have their own support people active there, why not...20:32
jcastroTechnoviking: send me a mail and I can ping Amit @ Dell for you20:32
jcastroTechnoviking: would their URL change?20:33
jcastroforumdisplay.php?f=112 or whatever?20:33
Technovikingno, we will move the forum on whole to a specific hard section, or off the front page20:35
Technovikingone crazy though was to have one hardware forums with different tags. Apple, X86-64, Dell, etc... but that anger the natives:)20:38
jcastroI never understood why there are so many subforums20:39
jcastrowhen we have tags20:39
Technovikingjcastro: change is hard, cruft has pathos20:42
jcastroright I can understand that20:42
jcastrobut if you're making the change might as well fix everything20:42
jcastroI think people were demanding for me to be killed after the archive thread20:44
* nhandler still has a pitchfork waiting for the next time he is in Michigan20:44
Technovikingyeah, I'm want for the bounty to goto $10,000 and then I'm going Jorge hunting20:45
Technovikingbe wary wary quiet20:45
Technovikingheh20:45
nhandlerI'm hunting Jorges20:45
* pleia2 bes vewy vewy quiet20:46
TechnovikingCastro season! Bacon Season! Castro Season! Bacon Season! Popey Season?20:47
pleia2no no, we just blame popey, no hunting20:47
popeyI hate you all.20:48
nhandlerWe love you too popey ;)20:48
pleia2<320:48
jcastropopey: SHOULDNT YOU BE CLOSING DOWN COMMUNITY LISTS?!?!?!20:48
JFoooh20:48
* jcastro high fives JFo20:48
JFothat was coooold bloooded20:48
jcastrosee what I did there?20:48
JFoI see what you did there20:48
JFo:-)20:48
Technovikingoh snap!20:49
* popey adds "Shutdown #ubuntu-community-team to the IRCC agenda"20:50
JFohee hee20:50
popeyalso20:50
Technovikingholy crap, Popey is Skynet!20:50
popeyi just printed a bank statement out on a 4x6" photo card20:50
popeynot ideal20:50
pleia2reason: it's the cabal20:50
JFowe are community team and we are borg... resistance is futile if < 1ohm20:50
mhall119JFo: lol20:50
JFo:)20:50
popeyhmmm20:52
popeyI have an entry on my bank statement that reads exactly this:-20:52
* nhandler slaps popey for the extra work20:52
popey15 Apr 11: CARD PAYMENT TO DOMAIN NAME, 44.40 GBP on 13-04-2011.20:52
JFoprotip: never swing your leg when there is an end table under your desk20:52
* JFo has ouchies20:52
popey"domain name" written exactly like that20:52
jcastro"Upon further investigation, UWN reporters have learned that it was indeed Alan Pope who proposed moving the window controls to the left."20:52
JFod'oh!20:52
popeyhttp://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/20:53
JFolol20:53
JanCpopey: you paid 45 pound for that domain?  :P20:53
JFocowsay eff you guys, I'm going for a cheeseburger20:53
JFo:)20:53
* JFo limps off for more ice20:54
JFoTechnoviking, Popeynet20:54
popeyheh20:54
JFo:)20:54
macoow, i spilled tea on me21:00
Technovikingowie21:00
JFojcastro, thanks for the formatting :-)21:07
jcastroJFo: you write like you talk IRL21:08
jcastroramble ramble ramble21:08
JFoheh21:08
jcastroJFo: also, you know, I just realized21:08
jcastroyou guys don't have any Sauce stuff written down21:08
JFonope21:08
JFoit is all in the patchwork or the list21:08
jcastrolike, how can I find out sauce stuff, how do I make sure the sauce bug that fixes my bug gets pushed upstream, etc.21:08
JFoand the patchwork isn't public21:08
JFodude, the overhead needed to provide that? Astronomical :)21:09
jcastrodo you guys obsfuscate the sauce patches so we don't get credit?21:09
jcastro:p21:09
JFonope21:09
JFo:-P21:09
jcastro"As it turns out we just submit everything as greg k-h"21:09
JFolol21:09
JFo<greg k-h>hmmm gregkh@ubuntu.com... something fishy going on21:10
popeygetting bored of ubuntu-users posting bikeshed links21:10
popeymind you, its not getting much traction21:11
popeyhttp://groups.google.com/group/bikeshed/about21:11
popey32 users, no mail for a couple of days21:11
popeyfancy that21:11
jcastroright21:11
jcastropopey: don't worry dude, the reaction to the shutdown totally vindicates the decision21:11
Technovikingheh21:15
jcastropopey: you should bask in your notoriety21:15
popeyhah21:16
JFonow you aren't just famous... you're infamous21:18
JFo:-)21:18
JFoyou should totally start wearing a black cape and laughing evilly21:19
AlanBelland invaluable21:19
AlanBellmaybe one day he will be valuable21:19
jonojcastro, all set?21:21
jcastroyep21:22
jonojcastro, lets do phone21:22
jonoactually, lets do skype21:22
jcastroI can do either21:22
jonograbbing my headset21:22
jcastro\o/ gtalk phone integration21:22
salgadojcastro, as in using gtalk to make voice calls, just like what that gmail plugin provides?21:31
jcastrohttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-11/21:54
jcastrojono: ^21:54
cjohnstonjono: any chance of getting the loco directory and summit blueprints approved for UDS please?22:19
czajkowskihttp://paste.ubuntu.com/600018/  any idea why I keep getting this for the last 3 days22:28
JFoczajkowski, I tried the url in a browser and got the 404 myself22:42
JFolooks like it is down22:42
czajkowskiwonder is it jsut that arvive22:44
czajkowski*arcive22:44
czajkowskiJEBUS!!!!22:44
czajkowskiARCHIVE!22:44
popeywhy are you using the ie mirror when you are in the UK?22:45
czajkowskicause I never changed it... hanging onto my irish ...22:46
czajkowskialso on unity cant figure out where to change it :p22:46
popeyalt-f2, type software sources22:46
popeythere's stuff in natty proposed already!?22:47
popeyand so to bed22:47
czajkowskihmm dd that22:47
czajkowskiclicked on software sources22:47
czajkowskibut it didnt do anything22:48
czajkowskidear natty why do you drive me potty22:48
czajkowskihard to pimp when the service is down http://try-ubuntu-beta.ec42.net/23:03
jcastroit was on for a test23:04
jcastroand will be back tomorrow23:04
jcastrothe first call was for people to hammer it to test it23:04
czajkowskiah ok23:05
czajkowskisays yesteday from noon23:05
nhandler /6423:16
hggdhakgraner: ping23:50

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