[00:02] g'nite [00:05] AlanBell: it doesnt look like you defined this different div's.. is that correct? [00:06] outside of the inline css [00:12] AlanBell: the problem was I don't think an iframe can end itself ( everything got all better [00:17] mhall119: AlanBell https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/padpage/+merge/59145 <--- should fix issues with the pad page.. plus I moved the stuff to the bottom.. ;-) [00:24] akgraner, jcastro i'll see about signing up tonight [01:51] salgado-afk: I've edited those answers to do ~/.local instead, nice eye! [01:52] salgado-afk: next time just feel free to submit edits to the answers, they get peer reviewed and checked regularly! [02:06] jcastro, cool; I didn't edit it myself because I wasn't 100% sure it was supposed to work === nhandler is now known as Guest956 === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [04:33] akgraner, jcastro: i've signed up for a slot in openweek [04:36] ScottL, awesome!!! Thank you! [05:00] *yawn* morning [07:31] good morning [08:13] morning mr holbach [08:14] hey Duane [09:08] hey all [09:08] morning [09:38] hello 0/ === kim0 is now known as kim0|vacation [09:58] hello [10:10] Greetings! === daker_ is now known as daker [10:18] Just for the record, I HATE banks. [10:19] :) [10:19] * popey hands nigelb some bitcoins [10:19] popey: I dropped a cheque on 20th, I still haven't got the money :\ [10:20] I was tracing it today for half the day. [10:20] Joeb454, thanks a bunch [10:25] nigelb: cheques... people still use those? :D [10:33] jussi: we have only one bill we pay by cheque [10:33] they refuse to do direct debit or standing order [10:33] popey: and netbank money move? [10:34] they dont let us [10:34] it's cheques or nothing [10:34] almost all bills here are paid by netbank... [10:34] dunno what they'd do with a big bag of cash [10:34] strange [10:34] nah, just an old fart [10:35] We have this awesome service, wher bills come in the "mail" (read online service) - you log onto it with your bank codes via the banks single sign on service. then we copy the barcode number to the bank, it fills in all the details, and click pay. [10:36] some banks even have proper integration, with a"pay" button on the buttome of the e-bill. [10:37] this guy uses paper [10:37] i dont mind tbh [10:37] if the bill isnt electronically supported (ie. paper version) , you go to your netbank, fill in the details and click pay... [10:37] i get to practice my signature which I dont do often [10:37] lol [10:39] heh [10:40] * jussi really appreciates the banks being in the 21st century here... [10:41] jussi: just hope they have better security than sony ;) [10:41] :) [10:41] head_victim: yes - 3 factor authentication is helpful [10:43] That being said someone in Europe tried to use my Credit Card at a University to pay for something or other once (considering I live in Australia), I noticed within 24 hours money was gone and the bank got it back to me just by filling in a statutory declaration. Now I just make sure I check it regularly enough to know when money is gone from my available balance but not my account when it shouldn't be. [10:43] I've found though paying large bills via the internet difficult, house renovations for example the chequebook was marvellous. [10:44] \o/ I have no credit card :) [10:44] Well my "credit card" is a Visa card hooked to a debit account. [10:45] yeah, I have one of those [10:45] "Visa Debit" [10:45] very useful [10:46] They're pushing them hard over here for the last few years, I've had one over a decade but they only really started advertising them in the last 2 years (just about the time of the GFC funnily enough) [10:48] we have a system here for some places that you need to use the single sign on from the bank to auth your credit card for online purchases. Its awesome - I wish it could be integrated in more places [10:49] I haven't seen anything like that here yet, I do bank at a small credit union though so it's possible others have seen it. Our newest invention is tap and go style transactions. You don't need a pin or signature, scares the hell out of me [10:53] err, how does that work? o.O [10:54] For example, in a drive through, you hand your card over, say you want to use the credit option, they swipe it and as long as the value is under about 50 bucks you don't need a pin or signature. [10:54] I nearly had an argument the first time they tried it on me until I called my bank to find out it was for real. [10:54] yeah, i have seen that in the UK [10:55] cripes! [10:55] So all you need to do is steal someone's card and make sure you only make transactions less than 50 bucks and it's all "legit" [10:55] cant remember what it was though [10:55] head_victim: i suspect it's only specific merchants that can do that, not everyone [10:55] no thanks to that :( [10:56] if anyone here has ideas for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/UDS-O/Ideas - I'd appreciate them [10:56] popey: sounds about right, still scary as hell if you ask me. Although it is a feature of a certain bank that any retailer can have a "tap and go" so you don't even need to swipe if it's under 100 bucks [10:57] anything you think needs addressing for the irc council [10:59] jussi: only thing I can think of is "clean up channels in U namespace" might include ensuring all namespace channels have adequate moderation, if that wasn't already implied. [11:00] head_victim: could you add that as its own item? its related, but not the same [11:00] Ok, am I allowed? I'm a lowly nobody who won't be at UDS [11:01] head_victim: certainly, anyone can add stuff [11:03] jussi: done, added a little more [11:03] excellent, thank you. [11:03] Feel free to modify as required. [11:04] If anyone else has ideas, grumbles, thoughts? Id really appreciate input. [11:05] Overall I think you all do an amazing job to be honest, the fact that there isn't much to talk about is in itself testament to the work already done. [11:05] :) thanks! [11:06] Things are getting better, but there are still many things to improve [11:06] jussi: I wish you folks could control the screw ##ubuntu channels [11:06] g43 [11:06] nigelb: freenode failing, not ours. sadly. [11:07] Im talking about this here because I want some no operator input ;) [11:07] I realized that [11:07] Is there much that is ##ubuntu ? [11:08] A simple list only revealed 2 channels, both of which look like they could easily transferred to # with the right conversation. [11:09] * jussi hasnt looked for a while - I generally only concern myself with namespace chans [11:09] AlanBell: ping [11:16] o/ cjohnston [11:17] dholbach: no problem :) [11:17] :) [11:18] AlanBell: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/padpage/+merge/59145 <-- can you look please [11:19] off to work [11:20] cjohnston: looks good [11:20] apart from the attendees at the bottom of course, but as you fixed the other stuff I won't argue! [11:20] everything work for you and look like it should? [11:20] lol [11:21] I just think that the pad is more important than the attendees and the links [11:21] you could make the meeting title a link to the blueprint [11:21] yeah, but I think when the pad is empty you have to scroll past it to see them [11:21] but I had to scroll down to see the pad [11:21] I have never horribly much cared who the attendees are.. dunno if thats just me [11:22] well we can see what other people think, easy to move back [11:22] feel free to solicit other opinions tho [11:22] * popey agrees that the pad > attendees [11:25] attendees perhaps, but also links to separate etherpad window, track daily summary, live audio, wiki page, blueprint are now at the bottom too [11:27] I don't think any of those are of greater importance than the pad tho... and as I said, some of those links *could* be put in subnav [11:27] not all would fit tho [11:28] im out [11:28] I guess I am thinking about it from a remote perspective [11:29] I want the link to the live audio and I want to know who the voices are [11:35] nigelb: did you get any etherpad theme hacking done? [11:42] AlanBell: I'm working on it [11:42] AlanBell: got it installed and ready for hacking :) [11:42] great [11:48] * AlanBell fails at finding stuff in rt.ubuntu.com [11:49] jcastro: any update from IS? I can't find the rt [11:52] AlanBell: find jpds and ask him nicely [11:53] searcing in RT is a PITA! [11:53] but he works some voodoo on it [11:53] it is elmo that is doing the etherpad I think [11:56] what are your views on the link position czajkowski? [12:01] on what [12:09] AlanBell: ??? [12:10] * AlanBell hopes that didn't sound rude out of context :) [12:10] czajkowski: on summit [12:10] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/community/ [12:10] click the notpad icon on a session [12:11] takes you somewhere like http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-developer-initiatives/ [12:11] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-monday-roundtable/ [12:11] yes [12:11] oh the link is not easy to see or big enough tbh [12:13] there isn't masses of room for it [12:13] aye [12:13] mayeb a different colour something that makes it stand out [12:13] http://summit.ubuntu.com/media/img/pad.png [12:13] what colour? [12:14] RED [12:14] make it stand out [12:14] it's not clear what it is atm [12:14] it will on day 3 [12:14] tbh I would like to make the session title a link to it, but that is going to annoy people who want the title to be a link the the blueprint [12:14] but not on day 1 [12:18] not sure [12:18] it is already bolder than the other icon that turns up, and whatever colour it is will clash with at least one of the track colours [12:19] true [12:21] As an outsider, I found it fairly easy to follow as is if that helps confirm anything for you. And that is a pretty slick integration I might add. [12:21] thanks [12:22] I know some people are going to *hate* it because it isn't exactly like it was before [12:22] Meh, if everyone were happy there'd be nothing to fix. [12:23] yup [12:24] head_victim: approved that mail btw [12:25] czajkowski: thanks, I just thought it merited a second opinion. I want to encourage more people to put content there but I also don't want it to become a spam board. [12:26] yeah which it could end up being imo each planet for loco is up to them but me personally I am rather anti advertising but thats just me [12:26] I dont want to read it on a planet [12:26] others ma have different views [12:26] I was thinking if they could give us a more narrow field that is not necessarily more "relevant" but less like reading a flyer from your letterbox I'd be happy I think. [12:28] up to ye really [12:28] it the loco team feed [12:30] Fair enough, I might ask around a few of the more active regulars to gauge opinion then, we have some release parties coming up that I could gently suss it out at. [12:36] yeah mean [12:37] would you really want to read a planet where it is full of advertising [12:37] or full of content from your members is what it comes down to tbh [12:38] the rule in a forum I used to be in was that if you have a new product you are allowed to announce it, once, with information and no hype [12:40] I might put to to them they need to create a feed with less advertising and I could then add that. If they're willing to come to the party I don't really mind that it's in a business name as long as not every post is selling their stuff. I'll give them points for trying a new advertising route though. [12:42] personally I would like to get more businesses participating [12:44] my blog is to some extent a business blog, but I don't really post advertising on it [12:44] AlanBell: I think it's going to depend on the loco [12:44] I'd also crack up if I saw it on main planet tbh [12:45] I haven't seen the post in question [12:46] AlanBell: yeah I really don't mind the content of some of the posts for that specific instance, I think it's more the large number of advertising on posts that appear to form part of the post instead of something tha twould be stripped. [12:48] Actually that might be mainly due to the feed aggregation tool they have chosen to use. [14:26] * dholbach hugs james_w [14:26] it worked? [14:27] it looks like it [14:27] syncing [14:27] NICE [14:28] james_w, I bought a bunch of stuff yesterday - looks like I have enough together for a few small sets :) [14:28] nice [15:01] jcastro, we have two open slots - I'm going to go ahead and write up a press release and add more detail to the wiki today etc...get the speaker and session pages up and all the how to join stuff tweaked...if you come across two more people cam you plop them in there? [15:01] nigelb, said fagan would do a session on Ubuntu One but it's not on the schedule yet [15:05] akgraner: yup [15:05] akgraner: davidm didn't respond yesterday [15:05] akgraner: hey I have an idea [15:05] in the release mention that we have room for two more [15:07] k will do... [15:08] I'd give one but again I got no clue what the heck I could tell people about that they don't already know... [15:16] jcastro, akgraner, I mentioned to the ubuntu-docs guys if they wanted to run a session, and they're probably going to (they're now discussing it on their mailing list) [15:16] akgraner: nice call on the HAM radio [15:16] that will be an awesome session [15:22] dpm, great thank you ! [15:32] akgraner: ouch, I did put it last night [15:33] nigelb, you did [15:33] akgraner: at least I thought I did :\ [15:34] I remember putting it in. I blame the wiki :( [15:34] wait [15:34] nigelb, then I'm old and blind...can you double check that I am just not missing it :-) (which could be the case) [15:35] akgraner: I don't see it either. [15:35] akgraner: I don't see my name in history too. [15:35] :-( [15:35] yeah blame the wiki [15:35] akgraner: Now I'm wondering if yesterday was a hallucination. [15:35] dpm: oh cool, j1mc says -doc team is interested [15:36] ok so nigelb if you add the Ubuntu one session [15:37] akgraner: I'm checking times with fagan again :( [15:37] and the doc team adds theirs BAM we're golden! :-) [15:43] akgraner: ok, got it in. Check from your end that I haven't missed it :) [15:43] nigelb, ok [15:43] I still can't believe I didn't confirm it last night :( [15:43] yep...thanks [15:43] akgraner: sorry again :( [15:44] I'll work on getting the links and IRC nicks correct and added to the calendar and wiki [15:44] as well as tweak the descriptions etc and send out emails and stuff this afternoon/evening time frame [15:44] nigelb, not a big deal :-) it always works out... [15:46] hey jono [15:46] howdy dholbach [15:46] jono! [15:47] now, we get blueprint spam :p [15:47] hey nigelb :-) [15:51] few mmore days to TEAM reports folks :) make me and nhandler happy this month :) [15:52] nice to see the canonical folks using the loco directory to attend the release party http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ [15:59] dholbach, jcastro, dpm, about ready? [15:59] yep [16:00] jono, yep [16:07] * AlanBell hugs czajkowski for pestering canonical peeps [16:13] czajkowski: \o/ [16:28] nigelb: cjohnston: mhall119: can someone land the CSS color fixes soon? [16:28] jcastro: point me to the bug? [16:28] jcastro: nigelb can ;) [16:28] Yeah, I just got new cow powers :P [16:29] jcastro: we need to get the new conventionist->guidebook changes up soon, before too many people get setup with the old stuff [16:29] jcastro: bug 764984? [16:29] Launchpad bug 764984 in summit "Colors need to be adjusted for UDS-O" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764984 [16:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/764984 [16:29] yeah [16:29] Launchpad bug 764984 in summit "Colors need to be adjusted for UDS-O" [Undecided,New] [16:29] also nigelb [16:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/661478 [16:30] Launchpad bug 661478 in summit "Determine track based on blueprint title." [Undecided,New] [16:30] I thought we fixed this? [16:30] so if you can check on that [16:30] ok, on it. [16:30] basically, just color based on matching the name [16:30] we don't care about manually selecting tracks in the admin interface, etc. [16:31] anyone have any clue why linaro sessions didn't get scheduled? [16:32] salgado: ^^^ [16:32] we ran the scheduler yesterday [16:32] I do see a linaro talk [16:32] but none of the linaro specs made it [16:32] yet the blueprints look correct to me [16:32] right, the ones I manually added [16:32] oh :\ [16:32] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o [16:32] but these are missing [16:33] jcastro: you rang? :-) [16:33] joey: here's where we talk about summit [16:33] I am asking why your sessiosn didn't get scheduled [16:34] jcastro, I was going to check but I see joey's on it already. :) [16:35] who is accepting Linaro sessions for UDS? [16:35] what track are all the cert-* blueprints going to be in? [16:35] (the BP "propose for sprint" thing) [16:35] james_w: track leads. You were next on my list. You and mounir have proposed topics [16:37] jcastro: any preference for colors? ;) [16:37] would someone with edit/admin access confirm whether any Linaro sessions are available for scheduling in summit? [16:37] if not then we'll look at LP, if they are then summit [16:37] nigelb: as long as they're readable [16:38] james_w: I am investigating now [16:38] thanks jcastro [16:38] joey: We are needing to get the LP plugin for the forums upgrade to vB 4.x, who would be the best person to talk to? [16:38] I don't see any reason to not have james and salgado not be admins on summit [16:39] Technoviking: mrevell on #launchpad [16:39] all opposed? [16:39] ok none. [16:39] Technoviking: or lifeless ...same channel [16:39] joey: many thanks [16:39] does the Design status still matter? [16:39] I don't think so [16:39] I thought it used to have to be "Discussion" or something [16:41] ok so [16:41] they're not imported [16:41] so it's not sucking them in from lp [16:42] 101 sessions in summit, 161 on launchpad, so we're missing 60. [16:42] and I think they were filed before Daviey ran the importer [16:45] jcastro: give you a guess at which ones we're missing. :-) [16:50] there's 148 in the xml that LP exports [16:53] these: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599856/ [16:56] now that's more like it! [16:56] it has all the linaro ones I was expecting [16:58] priority has to be set to appear in the xml [16:59] actually no [17:00] it only includes blueprints with New/Discussion/Draft [17:00] james_w: it could very well be that we need to just run the importer again [17:00] Daviey: ping [17:00] which likely explains the 161/148 discrepancy [17:00] jcastro: [17:00] but yeah, it looks like the importer might not be in cron? [17:00] james_w: no he only ran it once [17:00] it's currently on manual import [17:00] * Daviey runs it again [17:01] ok, that will be why then [17:01] i'll put it on hourly cron from now, ok? [17:01] sounds good to me [17:01] "let's do it" [17:01] james_w: salgado: I am sending asac your way [17:02] I guess linaro needs a plenary at 10am while we go to sessions [17:02] importing now [17:02] and it's impossible to schedule a plenary when the slots are for sessions [17:03] lots of the cert stuff won't be imported currently by the look of it [17:03] jcastro: all the more reason it should have been a separate Summit record [17:03] also IVI and QA COP [17:04] mhall119: I'm all about that, for next UDS. [17:04] joey: ok I see them in summit now [17:04] along with a bunch more [17:04] jcastro: it's only a major refactoring of everything, I'm sure nigelb can have it done in a week [17:05] mhall119: since UDS is now Ubuntu and Linaro, we have decided that summit is now ISD's responsibility [17:05] * jcastro runs [17:05] * nigelb looks at mhall119. [17:05] great, at least then I can work on it during the day [17:05] jcastro: prove it. :-) http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/linaro-other/ [17:05] nigelb: hey, you wanted commit access [17:06] lol [17:06] jcastro: I agree. Lets dump it on ISD ;-) [17:06] joey: they're in the admin interface [17:06] but not displayed for some reason? [17:06] jcastro: honestly, I wouldn't mind if it were [17:06] man [17:06] picking colors is the most difficult job [17:06] espcially picking so that no two tracks look alike. [17:07] nigelb: just hash the track names and calculate colors from that [17:07] mhall119: I has to be readable. [17:07] *IT [17:07] no it doesn't [17:07] ;) [17:07] mhall119: the entire thing was designed for ubuntu workflow, adding linaro basically skews the whole thing, it needs a proper look through to make sure it meets the requirements of both orgs [17:08] then just create a list of a couple dozen "readable" colors, and use the index of the track to pick the color [17:08] ok so what would cause the tracks to be in the admin UI but not show up on the grid? [17:08] anyway, I got it done ;) [17:08] reviewer will have hell checking if they're readable :p [17:08] jcastro: because render.py is evil [17:08] jcastro: is it a plenary? [17:09] oh, tracks, nevermind [17:09] yeah [17:09] is the track assigned to the correct summit? [17:09] mhall119, no because render.py is the father of evils :D [17:09] if you can do a schema change add a colour hex string to the track [17:09] mhall119: the css in schedule/templates/schedule/nextsession.html is commented out. Should I place the new css there too? or just skip? [17:09] yep [17:10] jcastro, If you are changing ANY sessions to track listing in the admin ui, please let me know. [17:10] daker: I think Daviey is the father of render.py [17:10] Daviey: I just changed one [17:10] AlanBell: not this time. too late. [17:10] AlanBell: jcastro wants this in production yesterday :p [17:10] Daviey: I touched linaro-other-o-how-upstreaming-works just now [17:10] * jcastro holds off on the touching [17:12] Daviey: just to fill you in while you're in there [17:12] jcastro, what part did you touch? [17:12] I set it's track to "linaro-other" [17:12] Daviey: what does nextsession.html do? You seem to have written it :) [17:13] explicitly [17:13] jcastro, No worries, the reason i am asking is that there is a script to do this automatically.. i just need to know what ones don't get mapped automatically. [17:13] Daviey: to do what automatically? [17:13] nigelb, i think that is the minimal view for IRC. [17:13] err, IRC projector [17:13] jcastro, assign a session to a track [17:13] you mean a track to a session? [17:13] yes [17:14] Daviey: oh ok, so we did fix that [17:14] ok whew [17:14] Daviey: ah, the session css seems to be commented out. Is that fine? [17:14] man, I was already starting to cry that I was going to have to go back into every session [17:14] jcastro, wait... it changes every cycle.. so i need to know what ones are busted. [17:14] * jcastro rests his head on the desk gently [17:14] * nigelb hands jcastro oxygen [17:15] Daviey: ok I can do that [17:15] what do I do, wait for it to run and then see which tracks aren't scheduling? [17:18] alright my friends - I cal it a day [17:18] see you all tomorrow [17:18] g'nite dholbach [17:18] o/ [17:20] AlanBell: tbh it was more annoying me they weren't using it so I made it my business to get them to sign up there [17:21] they all have a wiki/sign on ac wont kill them to click attending [17:24] AlanBell: I've been called a cat herder twice today, I'm going to go with that is a the nice version of a pester or harasser [17:24] heh [17:27] I thought there was an option on date/time to show temperature or am I going batty [17:28] mhall119: to be fair this was from a guy in redhat I get to speak at events for me [17:28] ;) usually when I do harass him [17:32] czajkowski: it was there on Maverick, so perhaps you've just gone natty? [17:33] nigelb: if noone has already said it, Daviey said there is another problem that needs to be fixed to make colors work as well... [17:34] cjohnston: oh, what else? [17:34] mhall119: Daviey said we should wait to land the guidebook stuff until guidebook is released.. I still vote for remove all untill it is released.. jcastro nigelb <----- [17:35] cjohnston: someone is checking when the guidebook stuff is actually going to be released [17:35] cjohnston: I don't care tbh :) [17:35] if it won't be until after UDS, then we can stick with the current conventionist stuff [17:35] ok, can I land the css changes now? [17:35] nigelb: has someone reviewed it? [17:35] I'm only going to push it to a branch for review. [17:35] what is the guidebook? [17:35] I was hoping cjohnston will land it :p [17:35] that's not "landing" [17:35] aha. [17:36] jcastro: conventionist is being rebraned as "guidebook", they gave us a new URL and QRCode for it, but the change over hasn't happened yet [17:36] oh [17:36] nigelb: "land" == "merge into trunk" [17:36] I saw a mail from davidm fly buy to their CEO guy [17:36] jcastro: yeah, he's trying to figure out what's going on [17:37] at this point, I hope the just hold off on rebranding until after UDS [17:37] Daviey: what was it that needs to be fixed with the color stuff? [17:37] cjohnston: new tracks means css changes [17:37] cjohnston, the colours for some tracks [17:37] ok so I vote not caring about guidebook today and just care about colors and importing [17:37] everything else is gravy [17:37] mhall119: ah, I'm not going to do that for some time :) [17:37]