[00:02] TheMuso RAOF bryceh robert_ancell [00:02] you guys ready? [00:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-04-26 [00:02] Hey folks. [00:02] Hope your weekend was good to you. [00:03] Hope everyone had a restful few days....and now... [00:03] we are off! [00:03] Ok...[TOPIC] X update... [00:03] Yeah it was nice, by the end of yesterday I was starting to feel I didn't want to return. :) [00:04] I've hunted down the random compiz hangs and should have an SRUable kernel patch todayish. [00:05] RAOF: cool...anything you need support on? [00:05] Well, a faster system to build kernels on would be nice :) [00:05] ;) [00:05] aaaand my deck is now covered in an inch of hail [00:05] awesome [00:06] * RAOF should look into harnessing the kernel team's mammoth build resources, actually. [00:06] ANything else of note worth talking about just a couple of days before the release? [00:06] RAOF, wait [00:06] really! [00:06] the hangs [00:06] they are all dead!? [00:06] RAOF, you deserve much kudos and praise [00:07] DBO: Not yet, but I know what's causing them and two different ways to fix it :) [00:07] it is clear yourself and anyone associated with you is both a gentleman and a scholar [00:07] so you're saying it's as good as fixed :P [00:08] Ok...sounds like not much else of note...so [END MEETING] [00:09] yay for getting close to release! and for beers in budapest (I would have said wine cooler, but I still want people to think of me as an ok person) [00:09] is anyone else afraid of going to Hungary? [00:09] DBO: Cant be worse than last year. [00:09] just me then? *goes and curls up in a corner to cry himself to sleep* [00:10] DBO: Why? Have I missed some eastern European news? [00:11] Im american, I am trained from birth to fear everything that doesn't speak english and eat hamburgers [00:11] this, btw, explains why jasoncwarner chose to move to australia :P [00:12] Weren't you in Prague? [00:12] The sprints, they all blur together in a haze of indoorsness. [00:13] I was yes [00:13] dont worry [00:13] I cried myself to sleep there too [00:14] and in spain, brussels, and worst of all, texas [00:14] Yeah. Dallas was scary!~ [00:14] Hurray for OpenGL extensions completely oblivious to dual-head. [00:16] heya, sorry my wife came in and distracted me just as the meeting kicked off [00:16] bryceh, you were voted off the island [00:16] jasoncwarner, I posted my update to the meeting wiki. Finally solved one of the major GPU lockups [00:18] also I think I've got the arrandale bug cornered, although not bisected down to a specific patch yet [00:19] jasoncwarner, terri apologizes for my absence, and blames her pregnant nesting angst [00:24] problem I'm running into is that once I have people test with newer kernels, it's hard to find someone willing to do some git bisection work :-P [00:24] Yeah that can be rather daunting for some. [00:24] s/some/many/ [00:25] bryceh: uhm...understood and, well, very much understand ;) [00:26] jasoncwarner, rickspencer3, the overlay scrollbar thingee kinda sounds like something that people will assume to be an X bug [00:26] bryceh, yeah [00:26] even mdz did [00:32] hmmm, firefox + valgrind = pain [00:52] Not the nippy fox? [00:53] RAOF - it took more than 5 minutes to start up in valgrind [00:53] Meep. [00:53] i couldn't really do anything useful with it [02:04] hi I reported 771562 but I don't know where to submit a merge proposal [02:05] to Unity trunk or the ubuntu-desktop packaging? [02:05] bug 771562 [02:05] Launchpad bug 771562 in unity "[UIFe] Whitelist system-config-printer-applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771562 [02:08] jbicha: If its not fixed in unity trunk, I'd propose a merge there, and then worry about getting it into natty. I'd say getting the fix in trunk will make it easier for didrocks to cherry pick the patch and include it in the packaging. [02:09] TheMuso: ok, thanks [02:09] np === kancerman_ is now known as kancerman === asac_ is now known as asac [03:19] jasoncwarner: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o [03:19] jasoncwarner: you need to click "register yourself" in the top right [03:19] jasoncwarner: and the other thing, on each one: [03:19] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-unity2d-qt-cdspace [03:20] where it says sprint, you need to "Propose for Sprint" and pick UDS-O [03:20] jasoncwarner: if you click register from this page: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o it auto proposes it to the sprint if you want to do it that way for all the newer ones [03:31] dobey, i've got a branch of indicator-weather which makes desktopcouch optional :) [04:18] hi [04:18] guys is this a channel to ask for gnome 3 help? [04:19] No. [04:19] is there a chanel for gnome? [04:19] Unless it's help for packaging bits of gnome 3 :) [04:19] Well, there's #gnome on gimpnet. [04:19] nah its not abt tht [04:19] thnx [04:20] :) [04:23] RAOF my question's abt how to install an extension in gnome shell [04:23] i need to install the "user theme" extension [04:29] I've got no idea, and since gnome-shell isn't actually packaged in the latest Ubuntu release, it's unlikely that anyone here is going to be particularly familiar with it :) [04:41] wick94, you want #gnome-shell on gimpnet [06:38] ```` [06:38] whoops [07:30] good morning [07:32] Good morning [07:32] guten morgen pitti [07:32] Cimi_: I accepted a new overlay-scrollbar into natty-proposed last night [07:33] Cimi_: if you have another one on top of that, the uploader needs to include the previous changelog with -v, otherwise this works [07:33] bonjour didrocks, ca va? [07:33] pitti: I'm fine, thanks, and you? Still lost in packing? ;) [07:34] didrocks: heh, yes; it's still a ton of work [07:36] bonjours a tous [07:39] Sweetshark: bonjour! :-) [07:42] Sweetshark: bonjour Monsieur Michaelsen! [07:46] good morning guys [07:46] pitti, i'll upload the new overlay-scrollbars in the morning [07:46] kenvandine: please use -v [07:46] will do [07:49] launchpad is not very grateful today -- telling me that my libreoffice packaging membership is about to expire ... [07:51] Sweetshark: can you renew it yourself? [07:52] pitti: it said I should ask doko, which I did. [07:56] pitti: on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/771562, I'm requesting design feedback first [07:56] Launchpad bug 771562 in unity "Whitelist system-config-printer-applet" [Undecided,Incomplete] [07:56] Hmmm, only 4 LibreOffice GSoC projects ... [07:58] didrocks: but this clearly breaks printer setup and job feedback.. [07:59] pitti: right, but as design clearly wanted that whitelist telling important apps are aready ported, it's a way to make them conscious it's not the case… === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:03] jasoncwarner: /win 5 [08:03] ups [08:14] good morning everyone [08:15] hey chrisccoulson [08:15] hi pitti, how are you? [08:16] pretty well, thansk! [08:16] RAOF, you are my hero! [08:17] chrisccoulson: Oh, if you're on i386 then http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/raof/ contains a kernel that should work for you :) [08:17] RAOF, i'm on amd64 ;) [08:17] Well, you can always build the kernel from source :) [08:18] heh, i might try that [08:18] it can't be any more painful than running firefox in valgrind! [08:18] The patch you're after is http://cooperteam.net/patchme.patch [08:18] Heh. The kernel might be built before you've finished testing firefox :) [08:18] yeah, it might be finished before firefox even starts ;) [08:19] hey chrisccoulson! [08:19] hi didrocks, how are you? [08:19] chrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks, seems than soon you will have a freeze-free natty thanks to RAOF :-) [08:19] yes, hopefully :-) [08:20] It could do with a round of actual kernel-hacker review, but fundamentally I think it's sound :) [08:26] @everyone: I'm making the 0-day SRU unity and nux release (then packaging and pushing to -proposed). All testing appreciated! [08:34] yay [08:51] morning [09:06] hey desktopers [09:06] hi seb128 [09:06] hey rodrigo_ [09:06] how are you? [09:06] seb128, fine and you? [09:07] Good morninging seb128! [09:07] hey RAOF [09:07] hey chrisccoulson [09:07] rodrigo_, I'm fine thanks! [09:07] hmmm, weird. i just logged in to my session and i have no theme, but g-s-d is running normally :/ [09:07] hi seb128 [09:08] chrisccoulson, g-s-d 2.32 I guess? [09:08] rodrigo_, yeah [09:08] chrisccoulson, oh, we get some bugs about that issue, if you can investigate that would be useful [09:09] seb128, oh, what bug #? [09:09] bug #771308 is a recent example [09:09] Launchpad bug 771308 in gnome-settings-daemon "unity top bar using incorrect color scheme and icon set intermittantly" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771308 [09:09] it seems to be running normally. the process is owned by me and it's connected to my display, and it's running it's event loop [09:09] i think the only thing i can do is make it run with --debug in future sessions and hope it happens again :( [09:10] bug #733253 as well [09:10] Launchpad bug 733253 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon freezes, desktop theming disappears (dup-of: 649809)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733253 [09:10] Launchpad bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809 [09:10] chrisccoulson, nothing in .xsession-errors? [09:10] rodrigo_ about 649809 i'm here if you need :P [09:10] seb128 - oh, it is this: "You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting" [09:11] chrisccoulson, that's the one rodrigo_ tries to debug for a while ;-) [09:11] lucazade, yes, will get back to it soon, and ping you :) [09:11] chrisccoulson, ie 649809 [09:11] rodrigo_ ok! [09:11] ah [09:11] chrisccoulson, oh, on a virtual machine? [09:11] rodrigo_, no, this is on a normal machine [09:11] does that make a difference? [09:12] yes, so far it was only on virtual machines :( [09:12] I get only in virtualbox, not in normal machines [09:12] chrisccoulson, it was a supposition it could have to do with some xrandr issues with the virtualbox xorg driver [09:13] how does g-s-d in the gdm session stop running? [09:13] chrisccoulson, gnome-session kills it [09:13] does it? :/ [09:13] and gdm kills gnome-session [09:13] it's supposed to, yes, but seems in some cases it doesn't [09:13] i didn't realise that g-s-d ever registered as a client [09:14] so it seems, from bug #733253, it might have indeed something to do with some video drivers, not only virtualbox [09:14] Launchpad bug 733253 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon freezes, desktop theming disappears (dup-of: 649809)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733253 [09:14] Launchpad bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809 [09:17] rodrigo_ i've tried with nvidia 250gts, intel gma500 and radeon 7500mobility.. no issues and same setup on all machines [09:17] lucazade, right [09:18] chrisccoulson, what video driver are you using? [09:18] rodrigo_, intel [09:18] 1 sec, brb [09:22] chrisccoulson, and you have the latest g-s-d right? [09:22] bah, bug #771562 [09:22] Launchpad bug 771562 in unity "Whitelist system-config-printer-applet" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771562 [09:22] rodrigo_, 2.32.1-0ubuntu13.1 [09:23] ok [09:23] didrocks, design feedback?! [09:23] seb128: right, mpt at least. This is clearly showing the whitelist issues… [09:24] rodrigo_, so, i just logged out of my session, and g-s-d isn't killed by gnome-session [09:25] it only dies when it loses the connection to the display [09:25] (i looked in my ~/.xsession-errors) [09:25] ok [09:25] didrocks, well let's say I disagree with mpt about breaking our default installation and our users experience ;-) [09:26] seb128: you are not the only one ;) [09:30] didrocks: any chance you can include the s-c-p fix into today's 0-day SRU? [09:30] pitti: as a distro-patch, yeah [09:30] pitti: I'm preparing the SRU right now [09:31] re [09:32] didrocks, let me know if I can help testing the sru before you upload [09:34] seb128: yeah, that's my point, I'm doing the final test and will upload to -proposed, then round of testing :) [09:34] ok [09:34] 09:26:02 didrocks | @everyone: I'm making the 0-day SRU unity and nux release (then packaging and pushing to -proposed). All testing appreciated! [09:34] seb128: great minds :-) ^^ [09:34] ;-) [09:39] didrocks, seb128: done [09:40] mpt, thanks! [09:40] mpt: thanks [09:42] mpt, is there a list somewhere tracking those bits that will need some design work? [09:43] seb128, yes, unfortunately it's private for now but I expect to publish it by UDS [09:43] mpt, ok [09:44] system-config-printer is the easiest because it's not a Qt app :-) [09:44] Once Qt upstream can do application indicators we can tackle Mumble and HPLIP too. [09:46] mpt, indeed ;-) but doesn't that re-enforce the ideas that we work in reverse order? like we block client applications when there is no technical solution available for some toolkits yet [09:46] mpt: FYI, we saw a script when some upstreams apps starts to modify the list themselves on install to whitelist them [09:46] mpt, I'm not sure it's a real win for Ubuntu to notice those applications through unhappy users and then go to whitelist them, it just create increasing frustration and annoyance against us [09:47] seb128, I didn't know there was no technical solution available. That was a mess-up by the DX team. [09:47] didrocks, yes, I saw that a few weeks ago, we'll fix that. [09:47] mpt, "fix"? [09:50] seb128, I'm fending off certain people who say "abolish it altogether and the applications can go hang". I'm on your side here. :-) [09:54] nux released and waiting for approval in -proposed [09:58] Cimi_, hey; around ? [10:01] cassidy: yes === Cimi_ is now known as Cimi [10:03] Cimi, I was going to ask you about an issue I have with the Ambiance theme but I opened a bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/771701 [10:03] Launchpad bug 771701 in light-themes "Very hard to see the selected tab in gnome-terminal with the ambiance theme" [Undecided,New] [10:04] cassidy: ok maybe I could change the color for the inactive tab, thx [10:05] Cimi, would be cool; this is really confusing atm [10:08] lucazade, chrisccoulson: around form some quick testing? [10:09] rodrigo_, sure [10:09] chrisccoulson, lucazade: ok, please build lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-settings-daemon/really-fix-649809 and install it, to make sure it's the xrandr plugin in g-s-d [10:10] I just removed the xrandr part of the indicator plugin, which is what was causing the problem, at least for lucazade [10:12] rodrigo_ going to try .. which was the debuild command you told me? [10:13] lucazade, bzr bd -- -b [10:22] rodrigo_ $ bzr bd -- -b [10:22] bzr: ERROR: unknown command "bd" [10:22] pitti: Hi Martin, Noticed https://launchpad.net/bugs/771661 and couldn't help thinking of my hack in Xsession that guesses if it's $USER's first login ever by testing for .xsession-errors.old. Suppose that most users can be assumed to not create such a symlink, and that I don't need to start looking for another way to do the 'first login test'. [10:22] Launchpad bug 771661 in gdm "Allow .xsession-errors to be a symlink" [Medium,Confirmed] [10:25] rodrigo_ it was bzr-builddeb missing [10:26] didrocks, ok, done with email catchup, what needs testing? [10:26] nux, unity from trunk? [10:26] seb128: nux is in -proposed, just need ack [10:26] didrocks, can you just dput to the ubuntu-desktop ppa as well as natty-proposed maybe? [10:26] seb128: unity will be shortly [10:27] seb128: oh sure [10:27] didrocks, thanks [10:42] rodrigo_, can you check on bug #771710 [10:42] Launchpad bug 771710 in evolution "Evolution: Merging contacts deletes them" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771710 [10:42] ? [10:46] seb128, yes [10:46] rodrigo_, thanks [10:47] unity released and uploaded in -proposed [10:47] both nux and unity uploaded in the ubuntu-desktop ppa as well [10:47] pitti: s-c-p systray is a distro-patch for now, FYI [10:47] didrocks: ah, thanks [10:48] GunnarHj: I agree; it's a special case on a special case :) [10:55] rodrigo_ not fixed unfortunately [10:56] lucazade, ok, that's why my previous fixes didn't work, it's not the xrandr part then [10:56] * rodrigo_ looks at the other parts of the patch [10:56] rodrigo_ when you want ping me [10:56] lucazade, yes, I will :) [11:08] dpm, "Label Empty" is likely a libdbusmenu thing when it can't parse the labels [11:08] not sure if those issues could be incorrect encoding or something [11:20] "Label Empty" is just the default label which is set in dbusmenu if an application doesn't specify any other label [11:25] ok, thanks seb128 and chrisccoulson [11:26] lucazade, can you please bzr pull and build / install again? [11:46] rodrigo_ ok .. i'm at launch now! :) [11:47] lucazade, no hurry, do it when you can === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === _pedro is now known as pedro_ [12:21] pitti, hi. Does/should include porting the "Language Support" window to be a System Settings panel? [12:22] Or should that be a separate topic? [12:26] rodrigo_ tried but no luck [12:26] kenvandine: got a interesting bug in the broadcast box in the me menu for natty [12:26] lucazade, ok [12:28] kenvandine: sometimes it lets me type sometimes it doesnt I cant really debug why its not working some times but its pretty strange [12:28] mpt - does the new control-center support settings panels written in python? [12:28] perhaps rodrigo_ knows ;) [12:28] chrisccoulson, I have no idea, sorry [12:30] mpt: that would be separate; I meant this spec for the structure of the language packs and packages which provide language specific support (spell dictionaries, etc.) [12:32] * mpt launches Computer Janitor for a dose of depression [12:33] thanks pitti [12:34] heh [12:34] * fagan tries to remember that there is other timezones that the EU [12:37] seb128, what do you think of having one session for porting the various custom settings we've accumulated? * Language Support (gnome-language-selector); * Login Screen (gdmsetup); * Time & Date (indicator-datetime-preferences); * "Apply System-Wide" in gnome-keyboard-properties. [12:42] chrisccoulson, no, it doesn't [12:42] chrisccoulson, in fact, for 3.2, the library for writing panels will be private, so no 3rd party panels [12:42] [12:44] urgh [12:44] that's not good :/ [12:45] chrisccoulson, what panel are you thinking about? [12:46] chrisccoulson, if it's a generic thing, it can go into g-c-c itself, if not, it should be in the app's preferences, not in the control center [12:47] that's why the library is going private, to not repeat the mistakes in previous versions, where the control center had lots of stuff, most of which was related to specific apps [12:47] rodrigo_, the Ubuntu One control panel for example. It's not an "app", it's a service that plugs in to various other components. [12:47] rodrigo_, language-selector is a good one. but also, where do things like jockey-gtk go? [12:48] mpt, it's specific to an app, so should go with that app [12:48] rodrigo_, it's not specific to an app, because it's not an app. [12:48] chrisccoulson, there's already a region panel to select that in 3.0 [12:48] mpt, it's not "general desktop settings", that is [12:49] mpt, although for 3.2 we are discussing a 'web accounts' panel, so u1 could go there [12:49] Software Sources would be another. [12:50] that's system admin tasks, but yes probably could have a place in the control centetr [12:51] rodrigo_, syncing is a service [12:51] rodrigo_, it's like printing [12:52] seb128, right, it's a 'web account' thing, just like twitter, facebook, flickr, etc [12:52] not really [12:52] those are accounts for communication [12:53] where u1 is configuring what you want synced [12:53] like syncing your datas, bookmarks, contacts, [12:53] although for u1, we are discussing integration of couchdb into 3.2, and I'm making sure u1 fits in [12:53] hate couchdb [12:53] (sorry ;-) [12:53] heh [12:53] well, couchdb is ok, it's desktopcouch what makes things really bad [12:54] I installed it back last week and it's again back to the top of cpu users on my laptop while i'm doing nothing with it [12:54] right [12:54] seb128, beam.smp, or desktopcouch processes? [12:54] beam.smp [12:54] but that came with the lot :p [12:54] oh, that's bad indeed [12:54] it's not crashing is it? [12:55] actually [12:55] couchjs isn't crashing is it? ;) [12:55] no clue, but apport didn't trigger ;-) [12:55] that will cause beam.smp to use a lot of CPU ;) [12:55] seb128, I guess it tries to sync everything as soon as you start it? does it take the cpu always, or just for a while after starting it? [12:55] if it is, then i'm going to hide in a corner and cry ;) [12:56] mpt, would be nice to have a such session, I wanted to discuss "things that GNOME3 dropped or that we distro patched on ui that got refactored" to see which ones we care about and should try to get back in some way [12:56] seb128, are there any of those that aren't related to settings? [12:56] chrisccoulson, I don't think it crashed, it was not using a lot of cpu [12:57] mpt, no, that's mostly the gnome-control-center redesign so it's mostly settings [12:57] appearance ;) [12:57] mpt, but like do we care about being able to set a theme [12:57] mpt, or do we care about being able to set a system keyboard layout [12:57] seb128, both of those are possible, 1st with gnome-tweak-tool and the 2nd with g-c-c itself [12:58] pitti: thanks :) [12:58] rodrigo_, I don't consider gnome-tweak-tool as a proper first class citizen on the default install thing [12:58] I agree though that theme setting should be in g-c-c though [12:58] nice for the keyboard layout thing, that was not the case in 2.32 we distro patched for that [12:59] it would be nice if gnome-tweak-tool installed a nice tweak panel, but i guess if the g-c-c library is going to be private then it wouldn't be possible ;) [12:59] but in any case I'm all for a session about those mpt [12:59] ok [12:59] so it will just feel like a bit of a bolt-on like ubuntu-tweak [12:59] mpt, I also like your suggestion about autostarts ;-) [13:03] hmmm, does libunity have any documentation whatsoever? [13:04] the source is your documentation! [13:04] lol [13:04] there is a wiki page about it with examples [13:05] i guess this is what i'm after: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI [13:05] right [13:09] seb128, should the Approver be you or Jason? [13:10] chrisccoulson, http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/unity/ has links for C and Python [13:11] mpt - cool, thanks [13:11] mpt, jason [13:11] we will shuffle things in the team next week I think [13:13] rodrigo_, mpt: btw speaking about new c-c and option there is also a balance to find between simplicify and features we need, tkamppeter said for example that the printer config case will need to be discussed [13:14] the GNOME3 capplet is much simplet that s-c-p and not sure it cover everything users might need [13:14] seb128, ok [13:14] seb128, do you want a separate session for s-c-p then? [13:16] tkamppeter, ^ do you want a session about that at UDS? [13:16] mpt, let's see if tkamppeter want that to be discussed at UDS and register one if that's the case [13:16] seb128, if you know who did the adium-theme-ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/adium-theme-ubuntu/+bug/771777 [13:16] Launchpad bug 771777 in adium-theme-ubuntu "Should use focus and/or firstFocus message class" [Undecided,New] [13:17] mpt, I'm not deciding on whether we should be proactive and review each capplet between 2.32 and 3 and see what got dropped and what we would care about or just upgrade and deal with bugs [13:17] xclaesse, no but kenvandine uploaded it and probably knows [13:18] seb128, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-system-settings [13:19] mpt, thanks [13:28] ok, lunch time, bbl [13:34] seb128, let us do a session for scp vs. cc on the UDS. Will you prepare a Blueprint and make me an essential participant? [13:34] I can do it, my time is less valuable than seb128's :-) [13:35] (especially this week) [13:35] tkamppeter, can you register the blueprint rather since it's the mostly your topic [13:35] or mpt if he wants to do it [13:35] mpt, thanks [13:35] oh, and there is no less valuable time, but I still appreciate the offer so thanks ;-) [13:35] seb128, OK, we should also arrange for Tim Waugh calling in (where are the instructions for call-in participation?). [13:36] tkamppeter, http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/ [13:36] tkamppeter, http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ [13:39] seb128, thanks. [13:44] tkamppeter, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-printer-settings [13:44] xclaesse, i can dig out his name, he is the upstream renkoo guy [13:45] seb128, i have a branch of indicator-weather with optional desktopcouch [13:45] kenvandine, ubuntu could ask him to update the theme using the new adium specs [13:45] kenvandine, hey [13:45] kenvandine, \o/ [13:46] xclaesse, ah... i can do that [13:47] kenvandine, I think for 3.2 cassidy is going to make adium mandatory for empathy and drop other GtkTextView based themes [13:47] but that would need a theme suitable for chatrooms too [13:47] would be great if that guy that work a bit with us for next cycle [13:47] didn't canonical contracted him for that? [13:48] nope [13:48] turned out he is a bit of a ubuntu fan :) [13:48] why give a contract, when he can work for free :D [13:48] and was pretty excited to be included in ubuntu [13:48] hehe :) [13:48] well, that's even better actually, so we can ask him directly :) [13:49] xclaesse, do you have details on what needs to be done to support chat rooms? [13:49] I personally would like something xchat-like [13:49] but that needs to be discussed with designers, etc... [13:50] xclaesse, Torrey Rice is his name [13:57] xclaesse, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645920 [13:57] Gnome bug 645920 in Chat themes "Provide a default Adium theme" [Normal,New] [13:59] cassidy, thanks. kenvandine ^ [14:00]