[07:30] <didrocks> good morning
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <didrocks> hey dholbach, how are you?
[07:31] <dholbach> hey didrocks - great, thanks - how are you?
[07:32] <pitti> Good morning
[07:32] <dholbach> heya pitti
[07:33] <didrocks> dholbach: I'm fine thanks! Happy that this crazy cycle finally ends and that we have a quality distro, ready for some testing :-)
[07:33] <dholbach> yeah :)
[08:50] <doko_> Sweetshark: is it intended that lo is built with -O2 instead of -Os on armel?
[08:54] <Sweetshark> doko_: not explicitly by me. IIRC that was already in there before. I would have to dig in the history.
[08:58] <poolie> kirkland: hi?
[09:01] <Sweetshark> doko_: looks like we use dpkg-buildflags and fallback to -O2
[09:04] <doko_> Sweetshark: hmm, ok. too late for natty. did show better performance with -Os in the past. maybe worth to re-evaluate for the o-series
[09:09] <Sweetshark> doko_: I made myself a note about that.
[13:09] <cjwatson> doko_: do you know anything more about the state of bug 635891?  Kate added a release-notes task for it, presumably on the basis that it had had an ubuntu-10.10 task, but I can't see what might sensibly be release-noted, if anything
[13:11] <doko_> cjwatson: does not running the tests during the build really qualify for the release notes?
[13:13] <cjwatson> doko_: I don't think it does, no
[13:13] <cjwatson> doko_: if that's all it amounts to, I'll invalidate that task
[13:14] <doko_> ok, closed
[13:14] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:17] <pitti> SpamapS: I just uploaded language-pack-gnome-zh-hans to natty-proposed; would you mind reviewing this (it's a bit urgent)
[13:17] <pitti> ?
[13:37] <brendand> anyone know what the ida flag is for in cpuinfo?
[13:41] <elmo> brendand: it's turbo boost, isn't it?
[13:51] <cjwatson> ogra: if bug 615773 still needs to be release-noted, could you (or somebody else on the ARM team) please provide some sample text?
[13:51] <ogra_> cjwatson, ergh, why does it need to be release noted ?
[13:52] <ogra_> there is no setup using RAW partitions yet, thats a whishlist
[13:53] <ogra_> (currently all ubuntu images require vfat boot partitions, we have a spec for raw in oneiric though)
[13:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: I don't know.  Kate added a release-notes task, presumably on the basis that it was a milestoned bug that didn't get fixed.
[13:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: if the answer is that it does not need a release-notes task, please mark that Invalid with justification
[13:55] <ogra_> will do, thanks
[14:06] <dholbach> Laney, blogging a little bit more lately? :)
[14:06] <Laney> sigh
[14:07] <Laney> always a risk when changing the feed :(
[14:07] <Laney> if indeed I spammed planet
[14:15] <cjwatson> pitti: do you have any idea if a release note is still needed for bug 571286?  it's marked fixed in maverick
[14:15] <pitti> cjwatson: I don't know myself, but I'll find out
[14:16] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:29] <tjaalton> cjwatson: do you know why nic-modules*-udeb are split like that, can't they just be one package that would include all the drivers in drivers/net (so bugs like bug 560249 would be history)
[14:30] <tjaalton> cjwatson: um, nic-*modules-udeb
[14:30] <dpm> pitti, I've just noticed that we've got a 'hal' template in LP that hasn't been updated since 2007. Possibly the package does not generate a pot template, but rather than filing a bug, I'm not sure if I should just disable it in LP. Is it still in main?
[14:30] <pitti> dpm: kill it :)
[14:30] <dpm> die hal!
[14:31] <pitti> dpm: hal went to universe in natty, and will hopefully go to nirvana in oneiric or prankful pony
[14:31] <jibel> Tm_T, Hi, can you help with testing Kubuntu on powerpc. There's no result on the tracker.
[14:31] <pitti> dpm: but hal itself hasn't really been updated since 2007 eithe r:)
[14:31] <cjwatson> tjaalton: because some images include only some of them to keep the space cost down
[14:36] <dpm> pitti, ok, disabled, thanks.
[14:36] <dpm> pitti, another question: so we created the natty langpack schedule with TLE a while ago, and I just wanted to ask you a) if it looks sensible to you and b) since the intention is to release the first langpacks soon after release, when we should reshuffle the tarball exports + ppa builds schedule --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/NattyLanguagePackReleaseSchedule
[14:37] <pitti> dpm: looks fine, if it will work out in practice
[14:38] <pitti> dpm: e. g. the maverick ones have been in -proposed for 40 days already
[14:40] <tjaalton> cjwatson: well, seems cosmetic to me.. i'll check the numbers
[14:42] <dpm> pitti, hm, yeah, that's true. That was probably my fault, as I should have pinged you after a week of testing. In any case, all the "passed" and "yes" langpacks in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA can be uploaded to -updates. I tested the Catalan ones, but I did not add the info on the wiki since a couple of questions noticed a regression in the Catalan FF translations in -proposed that does not seem easy to reproduce
[14:42] <dpm> s/questions/persons/
[14:43] <pitti> dpm: ah, good; so I'll copy the bits now
[14:44] <dpm> cool, thanks pitti, I'll also ask the teams with "??" to see if they can update the info. Let me know when they've been uploaded and I'll clear the wiki page
[15:00] <pitti> dpm: I copied language-pack{,-gnome,-kde}-{pl,gv,ast,sl,hu,ja,ru}{,-base} to -updates now, according to that wiki page
[15:03] <dpm> pitti, great, thanks. I've now updated the wiki and given a heads up to the remaining "??" teams
[15:09] <ev> pitti: mind if I add a task for porting ubiquity to gtk3 (yay natural label wrapping) to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 ?
[15:14] <Tm_T> jibel: ah, I promised to test it yesterday but I fell asleep early, will do now (:
[15:15] <jibel> Tm_T, no problem, just that a release is planned tomorrow :-)
[15:16] <Tm_T> well aware (:)
[15:17] <pitti> ev: please do (I think I already added it)
[15:18] <pitti> ev: yes, it is; if it's really planned, then feel free to drop the (maybe) and grab it :)
[15:21] <ev> pitti: done
[15:24] <tjaalton> cjwatson: so, extracted nic-pcmcia-modules takes ~420kB and nic-usb-modules takes ~780kB. wonder if it's worth the extra trouble to keep them separate
[15:25] <cjwatson> tjaalton: *shrug* now is not the time to expect me to make a judgement :)
[15:25] <tjaalton> cjwatson: heh, no, but should I take this on the kernel-list or?
[15:27] <cjwatson> tjaalton: kernel-team and ubuntu-installer I suppose
[15:27] <amitk> jcastro: could you change the Linaro PM track description to "Consolidation of Power management for ARM" ?
[15:28] <cjwatson> robbiew1: are we having the foundations team mumble meeting (or the IRC meeting, for that matter) today?  ev, jhunt, and I are all in Millbank
[15:28] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok, I'll prepare an email, thanks
[15:29] <robbiew1> cjwatson: hmmm
[15:30] <robbiew> cjwatson:  I don't have anything really to discuss for either, tbh
[15:30] <robbiew> heh...given it's my last week as the "official" manager ;)
[15:32] <barry> fine with me too
[15:37] <cjwatson> robbiew: ok, up to you :)
[15:40] <pitti> there: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/
[15:49] <jcastro> amitk: acked and done
[15:53] <prathk> hi i am drupal-php developer
[15:54] <prathk> anyone has any idea about the drupal project in ubuntu ?
[15:54] <prathk> or wants mentee for any of the php/drupal project
[15:54] <prathk> ?
[16:10] <amitk> jcastro: thx
[16:15] <abhinav-> is it a bug that when I enter a wrong password while starting Synaptic it simply doesn't start without reporting any "Wrong password error" ?
[16:19] <SpamapS> pitti: ack, just sat down at computer, reviewing now
[16:20]  * SpamapS wishes the latin alphabet were as pretty as han characters
[16:22] <SpamapS> pitti: done, accepted
[16:23] <pitti> SpamapS: thanks
[16:24] <cjwatson> ogra: why does bug 736081 need to be in the release notes?
[16:24] <ogra_> cjwatson, yep, just working on the wiki
[16:24] <cjwatson> I guess the bug title is not completethen
[16:24] <cjwatson> *complete then
[16:26] <ogra_> yeah, i guess i should change it, sadly doko didnt open a separate one for gcc, the telepathy task is actually important as a reminder to drop the workaround in oneiric
[19:02] <jdong> hmmm is the debian/copyright file for Lucid's bash incorrect?
[19:02] <jdong> it states that it's GPL 2 or later
[19:02] <jdong> bash --version prints out License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
[19:15] <livcd> Is kde compiled using a SSP ?
[19:15] <livcd> in Kubuntu
[19:15] <maco> livcd: #kubuntu-devel would know better
[19:15] <livcd> maco: dead
[19:16] <maco> wait longer
[19:16] <maco> there was talk in there 20 minutes before you joined
[19:16] <livcd> waiting :O
[20:11] <talcite> hi, I'm a xournal dev doing a rewrite of our codebase. I'd like to include a lib that isn't available in the ubuntu repos yet (Swiften). Is there a system that I can check to see which libs have been submitted for inclusion?
[20:15] <maco> talcite: look at needs-packaging bugs on launchpad.net  -- if there isn't one, file one
[20:20] <talcite> maco: awesome. So it looks like there's a lot of these requests. What's the chance that something will be packaged if I just open a bug?
[20:21] <tumbleweed> talcite: presumably when you release a new version of xournal using this library, the Debian Devolper maintaining xournal will be obliged to package swiften
[20:22] <rigved> talcite: if many other people also want it, then someone will definitely look into it
[20:24] <talcite> tumbleweed, rigved: alright then. I'll use the lib then. It's really much better than the other XMPP options
[20:24] <talcite> thanks for your help everyone
[20:28] <tumbleweed> talcite: it is a little concerning that it doesn't have any releases yet. Is it stable and fit for production?
[20:30] <talcite> tumbleweed: swiften? It's at v1.0, with a year of beta before it. It seems pretty stable. I haven't coded anything with it yet, but the documentation is phenomenal and there's a client implemented on it (swift).
[20:31] <tumbleweed> talcite: aah. the homepage only mentions git
[20:32] <talcite> tumbleweed: oh ok. Yeah, it's pretty much the best implementation I could find that doesn't require Qt. Gloox hasn't been touched since 2009 and the dev community is dead. libJingle is overkill, and telepathy requires dbus, which makes it tough to be portable. Not really any other C++ options out there.
[20:33] <tumbleweed> well, hopefully someone will package it. If other people find it useful too, that'll probably happen soon enough
[21:06] <lifeless> barry: yo
[22:32] <SpamapS> hrm, how come mdadm doesn't have bzr branches? https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm
[22:35] <maxb> SpamapS: if you look at package-import.ubuntu.com, it looks like that import is erroring
[22:38] <SpamapS> maxb: I see that, but I don't see what the error is
[22:38] <SpamapS> or rather, I don't have any clue what the problem is
[22:38] <SpamapS> Can we just import whats there now and move forward?
[22:43] <micahg> SpamapS: the UDD team has been working through the backlog of packages that weren't importing
[22:45] <SpamapS> micahg: mmmk
[22:46] <micahg> SpamapS: so, in the past, if the import error is new, we filed a bug against the UDD project
[22:55] <SpamapS> micahg: yeah I have filed a few of those.