| Captainkrtek | hello jjesse | 00:03 |
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| Captainkrtek | so jbicha just fix those few things (upgrading distro now) and resubmit for review? | 00:04 |
| jbicha | Captainkrtek: I would take out the Ubuntu references as this page is something upstream could use | 00:05 |
| jbicha | well except for the fact that upstream is using gnome-control-center 3 which is different | 00:05 |
| Captainkrtek | okay | 00:05 |
| Captainkrtek | cool, thanks :-) | 00:06 |
| jbicha | I don't think you need to use quotation marks | 00:06 |
| jbicha | one thing I like to try to do is walk through the process from a default install | 00:07 |
| Captainkrtek | okay | 00:07 |
| jbicha | how does Ubuntu generally act when you plug in a 2nd monitor, does it auto-enable it? | 00:07 |
| jbicha | I don't have the right cable to try out 2 monitors on my computer so I'm not sure | 00:08 |
| Captainkrtek | well I have two displays :) | 00:08 |
| Captainkrtek | so I can test that | 00:08 |
| Captainkrtek | it doesnt auto enable if i remember correctly | 00:08 |
| Captainkrtek | it may turn it on but with mirroring | 00:09 |
| jbicha | Captainkrtek: trivia question, how many indicators are possible in the default 11.04 install? | 00:11 |
| Captainkrtek | no idea | 00:11 |
| Captainkrtek | haha | 00:11 |
| jbicha | more than you'd think | 00:11 |
| Captainkrtek | how many? | 00:11 |
| jbicha | I'm up to 14 in my count | 00:13 |
| Captainkrtek | oh wow | 00:13 |
| jbicha | the basic 8: o jbicha just fix those few things (upgrading distro now) and resubmit for review? | 00:13 |
| jbicha | oops | 00:13 |
| jbicha | bluetooth, battery, network, sound, messaging, clock, me, session | 00:13 |
| Captainkrtek | quoting me? haha | 00:13 |
| jbicha | I have my irssi alert set to yellow on gray so it's hard for me to read direct mentions | 00:14 |
| Captainkrtek | ahh | 00:14 |
| jbicha | I really need to change it to something else | 00:14 |
| Captainkrtek | I use xchat more | 00:14 |
| jbicha | and then there's Tomboy & Transmission | 00:15 |
| jbicha | a Drop Privileges indicator | 00:15 |
| Captainkrtek | I really only use chrome, eclipse, xchat, filezilla, skype, and beyondcompare | 00:15 |
| Captainkrtek | I don't have many apps. installed | 00:15 |
| jbicha | also possible to enable accessibility, display, and keyboard layout indicators | 00:16 |
| jbicha | there should be a print job indicator but that's not been ported yet | 00:18 |
| Captainkrtek | that'd be nice | 00:18 |
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| Captainkrtek | hello | 06:58 |
| Captainkrtek | jbicha, just upgraded to natty | 06:59 |
| jbicha | Captainkrtek: what do you think of it? | 07:07 |
| Captainkrtek | pretty cool | 07:08 |
| Captainkrtek | reminds me a lot of OS X though | 07:08 |
| Captainkrtek | and the Control Center | 07:08 |
| Captainkrtek | looks like the OS X control panel | 07:08 |
| Captainkrtek | finishing the 2 displays article though | 07:09 |
| Captainkrtek | jbicha, can I have you look at the doc? ill submit it to the mailing list | 07:11 |
| Captainkrtek | submitted to the mailing list | 07:25 |
| jbicha | oh, the gnome 3 control center is a lot better but it won't be included until 11.10 | 07:26 |
| Captainkrtek | gotcha | 07:26 |
| Captainkrtek | in my doc | 07:26 |
| jbicha | that control center has been in Ubuntu for quite a while but it was hidden | 07:27 |
| Captainkrtek | I said, search for Monitors in the applications menu | 07:27 |
| Captainkrtek | if that alright? still getting used to unity heh | 07:27 |
| Captainkrtek | is* | 07:27 |
| jbicha | I prefer to direct people to the System Settings button since that works in Gnome 3 too | 07:28 |
| Captainkrtek | I couldn't find it | 07:28 |
| jbicha | click the button in the far top right of the screen | 07:28 |
| Captainkrtek | ohhhh | 07:28 |
| * Captainkrtek is a noob | 07:28 | |
| jbicha | ok, make a backup of your 2mon page, and then please uncommit your 2 changes | 07:32 |
| Captainkrtek | okay | 07:32 |
| jbicha | because it's more of a pain for me to have to apply a diff to the previous diff | 07:32 |
| Captainkrtek | sorry | 07:32 |
| jbicha | so email a single diff | 07:32 |
| jbicha | it's not a problem, it's a lot to learn | 07:32 |
| Captainkrtek | how do you uncommit in bzr? | 07:33 |
| jbicha | bzr uncommit :-) | 07:33 |
| Captainkrtek | hehe | 07:34 |
| jbicha | but if you don't do bzr revert the changes are still there, just not committed | 07:34 |
| Captainkrtek | just once | 07:34 |
| jbicha | bzr revert | 07:34 |
| Captainkrtek | or twice for the two commits? | 07:34 |
| jbicha | twice | 07:34 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 07:34 |
| Captainkrtek | I just ls'd in /C and I see display-2monitors.page and .page~ | 07:35 |
| jbicha | you have gedit set to autosave | 07:35 |
| Captainkrtek | gotcha | 07:35 |
| jbicha | ~ is a backup | 07:35 |
| Captainkrtek | so just remove it | 07:35 |
| Captainkrtek | or leave it? | 07:35 |
| jbicha | hidden files are ignored by bzr so it's up to you | 07:36 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 07:36 |
| jbicha | did you figure out what Ubuntu does by default when the 2nd monitor is plugged in? | 07:36 |
| Captainkrtek | let me test that | 07:36 |
| Captainkrtek | well actually | 07:36 |
| Captainkrtek | I remember | 07:36 |
| Captainkrtek | it just has the monitor on sort of | 07:37 |
| Captainkrtek | the monitor will have a signal, but nothing displayed | 07:37 |
| Captainkrtek | then you toggle it on with the On Off radio button | 07:37 |
| Captainkrtek | then adjust resolution, Hz, rotation, etc. | 07:37 |
| Captainkrtek | apply and close | 07:37 |
| jbicha | most shouldn't need to adjust refresh or rotation | 07:38 |
| Captainkrtek | yeah | 07:38 |
| Captainkrtek | I just added that in case | 07:38 |
| Captainkrtek | jbicha, this look okay? http://pastebin.com/SU8C6VKG | 07:39 |
| Captainkrtek | that's the diffname.txt | 07:39 |
| jbicha | no, that didn't work either, it should be a diff from the original stub | 07:40 |
| Captainkrtek | hmm | 07:40 |
| Captainkrtek | okay | 07:41 |
| Captainkrtek | should be good now | 07:41 |
| Captainkrtek | weird, it is not a stub :/ | 07:41 |
| Captainkrtek | there we go | 07:43 |
| Captainkrtek | jbicha, http://pastebin.com/kx8YMq76 ? | 07:44 |
| jbicha | ooh, I didn't know bzr had a shelve option, that could be convenient | 07:45 |
| Captainkrtek | so can I email that one | 07:46 |
| jbicha | wait | 07:48 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 07:48 |
| jbicha | make your title more direct: Enable a second monitor | 07:56 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 07:56 |
| Captainkrtek | sooo just edit the diffchange? | 07:56 |
| jbicha | no, just uncommit :-) | 07:57 |
| jbicha | add extra returns so that your lines aren't longer than about 90-100 characters | 07:57 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 07:57 |
| Captainkrtek | this is an art ;-) | 07:58 |
| jbicha | yes, we're picky | 07:58 |
| Captainkrtek | hehe I understand | 07:59 |
| jbicha | copy and paste from another doc the system settings blurb so that the style is similar | 07:59 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 07:59 |
| jbicha | you don't need to say radio button, just tell users to click <gui>On</gui> | 08:00 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 08:00 |
| jbicha | and I don't think you need quotation marks | 08:01 |
| Captainkrtek | k | 08:01 |
| jbicha | there's a writing style we've been using but I honestly am not sure how to describe it | 08:02 |
| Captainkrtek | hehe | 08:02 |
| Captainkrtek | I understand | 08:02 |
| jbicha | copying what the other pages do is about the best advice I have | 08:02 |
| Captainkrtek | yeah | 08:02 |
| Captainkrtek | jbicha, okay I think we are go for launch | 08:06 |
| Captainkrtek | jbicha, http://pastebin.com/MXuWqTKZ | 08:11 |
| Captainkrtek | bueno? | 08:18 |
| jbicha | well it needs more work but if you are stuck figuring out how to improve it you can submit it | 08:20 |
| Captainkrtek | I know it's not perfect :/ new to all this | 08:21 |
| Captainkrtek | what do you think | 08:21 |
| Captainkrtek | submit or work on it more tomorrow | 08:22 |
| jbicha | if you can improve it, do so, otherwise you can email it | 08:22 |
| Captainkrtek | Ill work on it a bit longer | 08:23 |
| Captainkrtek | then submit it later tonight | 08:23 |
| Captainkrtek | any tips off the bat? I don't want to keep you awake | 08:23 |
| jbicha | get rids of the tabs, just spaces are fine | 08:24 |
| Captainkrtek | it looks good now :) | 08:38 |
| Captainkrtek | going to email it off to you wizards | 08:39 |
| Captainkrtek | jbicha, emailed, thanks for the help, I think you'll be pleased with my last email | 08:42 |
| Captainkrtek | goodnight :) | 08:45 |
| peppe84 | Hi. I see backup page marked as "Outdated". | 09:50 |
| peppe84 | What is our approach now, we'll reccomented again sbackup or migrate to backintime or deja-dup? | 09:50 |
| shaunm | j1mc: are you running unity right now? | 18:30 |
| shaunm | or, you know, anybody running unity, can you run this is a terminal and paste the result: | 18:32 |
| shaunm | echo $DESKTOP_SESSION | 18:32 |
| shaunm | j1mc: and if you happen to have xfce running, I wouldn't mind seeing the result there as well | 18:33 |
| peppe84 | shaunm: peppe84@contumacia:~$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION | 18:34 |
| peppe84 | gnome | 18:34 |
| shaunm | bugger | 18:34 |
| shaunm | I'm trying to find a reliable way for yelp to know what environment it's running in | 18:35 |
| jbicha | shaunm: this might be another dead end, but it's possible to sniff for the appmenu, but that can be used outside of Unity | 19:25 |
| jbicha | though not by default | 19:25 |
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| jbicha | so I'm thinking it would be an ugly hack | 19:26 |
| jbicha | maybe this would help too: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2011-February/011812.html | 19:27 |
| j1mc | shaunm: yeah, it just says 'gnome' when running unity | 19:34 |
| shaunm | yeah, probably going to have to check known service names on dbus | 19:35 |
| mdke | shaunm: I think that if there isn't a simple way, one should be created. I can't image just yelp would find it useful | 19:37 |
| j1mc | i've sent an email to ubuntu-devel-discuss to get input from other developer folks. | 19:48 |
| shaunm | mdke: its' been discussed before for years in places like xdg-list | 19:57 |
| shaunm | there's always resistance | 19:57 |
| mdke | shaunm: bizarre | 20:14 |
| mdke | shaunm: did you say that to build html using your xslt I can just use a yelp-build script rather than installing the software? I am having problems compiling yelp-xsl | 20:16 |
| shaunm | mdke: well, yelp-build is created from yelp-build.in when yelp-tools is built. so there's no yelp-build you can just take straight from git | 20:37 |
| shaunm | but all that's done to create yelp-build is some substitutions for paths to various things from yelp-xsl | 20:37 |
| shaunm | lines 19-25. you could just change the @ patterns to actual file paths by hand and call it a day | 20:38 |
| shaunm | or I could just send you mine. if you have yelp-xsl installed in /usr (which you almost certainly do), it will work | 20:39 |
| mdke | shaunm: I have yelp-xsl 3.0.0 | 20:46 |
| mdke | (installed in /usr) | 20:47 |
| mdke | shaunm: it sounds like if you send me yours that would be really useful | 20:47 |
| mdke | there is probably a way to work around these build problems but if I can just use the yelp-build file without other changes, that is probably the easiest | 20:48 |
| mdke | shaunm: thanks :) | 21:07 |
| mdke | shaunm: it doesn't seem to like images with paths starting with / - http://paste.ubuntu.com/599964/ | 21:09 |
| mdke | is that a bug? | 21:09 |
| mdke | shaunm: aside from that, it works an absolute treat | 21:10 |
| mdke | thanks :) | 21:10 |
| shaunm | mdke: oh, yeah, it just concatenates the path of the referencing page with the URL path | 21:12 |
| shaunm | I guess for absolute paths, I probably shouldn't even copy the media | 21:13 |
| shaunm | but, you know, those paths aren't going to work very well when you push the html to the web | 21:13 |
| mdke | shaunm: yeah, what we've done in the past is to change the URLs by running sed over the built html | 21:14 |
| mdke | ditto with ghelp links | 21:14 |
| shaunm | ah, fair enough | 21:15 |
| shaunm | well, if I'm reading the code right, those errors shouldn't stop the build or hurt anything else | 21:16 |
| mdke | nope, all looks to be in order | 21:16 |
| shaunm | hmm, actually, you might have some crazy directories created | 21:16 |
| mdke | ah, it's created a usr/ directory | 21:17 |
| shaunm | yeah | 21:17 |
| mdke | doesn't seem to be any harm done though | 21:18 |
| shaunm | yeah, you should be able to safely rm -rf that | 21:19 |
| mdke | shaunm: another question. Can I use the same xsl customisations that we used to build docbook (like to build the html page header and such) with this? | 21:19 |
| shaunm | maybe. I don't know how old those are, and what templates they overrode | 21:19 |
| shaunm | but generally, the mallard and docbook output from yelp-xsl share a lot of the same code. you should be able to have a single customization that handles them both | 21:20 |
| mdke | let's try :) | 21:20 |
| mdke | this is the sort of thing - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/natty/view/head:/libs/ubuntu-banner.xsl | 21:21 |
| shaunm | is that customization for docbook-xsl? | 21:23 |
| shaunm | I think it is | 21:23 |
| mdke | yes | 21:23 |
| shaunm | so the same template names aren't going to work | 21:23 |
| shaunm | but it should be adaptable | 21:23 |
| shaunm | (it would probably be worthwhile for yelp-xsl to have a few more stub templates for customizations, like putting stuff in the header and footer divs) | 21:24 |
| shaunm | what I'd probably do with yelp-xsl 3.0.0 is just override html.page. copy what's there, keep stuff intact, and add what you need | 21:25 |
| shaunm | if you use yelp-xsl's docbook stylesheets as well, the exact same customizations will work for both docbook and mallard | 21:25 |
| shaunm | because they both go through the html.page template | 21:25 |
| shaunm | most of the css is consolidated as well, using common classes | 21:26 |
| mdke | ok, will look into that now | 21:26 |
| mdke | ok, that looks workable | 21:27 |
| shaunm | ideally, you shouldn't have to override that template, but I don't think yelp-xsl has the stub templates you need for your customizations | 21:31 |
| shaunm | and really, short of adding calls to stubs so that those kinds of overrides aren't necessary in the future, I don't plan on changing that template any. so overriding should be future-safe | 21:32 |
| mdke | shaunm: getting there, using that template seems to be a fine solution. I really need to learn css properly :) | 21:54 |
| mdke | learning enough to fix problems and fill holes by trial and error is really slow | 21:54 |
| jbicha | yeah I don't know css either | 21:55 |
| mdke | ok, I've taken that as far as I can this evening, will continue anon | 22:36 |
| mdke | code is in revision 1520 if anyone wants to look/help/test | 22:37 |
| mdke | --> bed | 22:37 |
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