[00:03] hello jjesse [00:04] so jbicha just fix those few things (upgrading distro now) and resubmit for review? [00:05] Captainkrtek: I would take out the Ubuntu references as this page is something upstream could use [00:05] well except for the fact that upstream is using gnome-control-center 3 which is different [00:05] okay [00:06] cool, thanks :-) [00:06] I don't think you need to use quotation marks [00:07] one thing I like to try to do is walk through the process from a default install [00:07] okay [00:07] how does Ubuntu generally act when you plug in a 2nd monitor, does it auto-enable it? [00:08] I don't have the right cable to try out 2 monitors on my computer so I'm not sure [00:08] well I have two displays :) [00:08] so I can test that [00:08] it doesnt auto enable if i remember correctly [00:09] it may turn it on but with mirroring [00:11] Captainkrtek: trivia question, how many indicators are possible in the default 11.04 install? [00:11] no idea [00:11] haha [00:11] more than you'd think [00:11] how many? [00:13] I'm up to 14 in my count [00:13] oh wow [00:13] the basic 8: o jbicha just fix those few things (upgrading distro now) and resubmit for review? [00:13] oops [00:13] bluetooth, battery, network, sound, messaging, clock, me, session [00:13] quoting me? haha [00:14] I have my irssi alert set to yellow on gray so it's hard for me to read direct mentions [00:14] ahh [00:14] I really need to change it to something else [00:14] I use xchat more [00:15] and then there's Tomboy & Transmission [00:15] a Drop Privileges indicator [00:15] I really only use chrome, eclipse, xchat, filezilla, skype, and beyondcompare [00:15] I don't have many apps. installed [00:16] also possible to enable accessibility, display, and keyboard layout indicators [00:18] there should be a print job indicator but that's not been ported yet [00:18] that'd be nice === nhandler is now known as Guest956 === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [06:58] hello [06:59] jbicha, just upgraded to natty [07:07] Captainkrtek: what do you think of it? [07:08] pretty cool [07:08] reminds me a lot of OS X though [07:08] and the Control Center [07:08] looks like the OS X control panel [07:09] finishing the 2 displays article though [07:11] jbicha, can I have you look at the doc? ill submit it to the mailing list [07:25] submitted to the mailing list [07:26] oh, the gnome 3 control center is a lot better but it won't be included until 11.10 [07:26] gotcha [07:26] in my doc [07:27] that control center has been in Ubuntu for quite a while but it was hidden [07:27] I said, search for Monitors in the applications menu [07:27] if that alright? still getting used to unity heh [07:27] is* [07:28] I prefer to direct people to the System Settings button since that works in Gnome 3 too [07:28] I couldn't find it [07:28] click the button in the far top right of the screen [07:28] ohhhh [07:28] * Captainkrtek is a noob [07:32] ok, make a backup of your 2mon page, and then please uncommit your 2 changes [07:32] okay [07:32] because it's more of a pain for me to have to apply a diff to the previous diff [07:32] sorry [07:32] so email a single diff [07:32] it's not a problem, it's a lot to learn [07:33] how do you uncommit in bzr? [07:33] bzr uncommit :-) [07:34] hehe [07:34] but if you don't do bzr revert the changes are still there, just not committed [07:34] just once [07:34] bzr revert [07:34] or twice for the two commits? [07:34] twice [07:34] k [07:35] I just ls'd in /C and I see display-2monitors.page and .page~ [07:35] you have gedit set to autosave [07:35] gotcha [07:35] ~ is a backup [07:35] so just remove it [07:35] or leave it? [07:36] hidden files are ignored by bzr so it's up to you [07:36] k [07:36] did you figure out what Ubuntu does by default when the 2nd monitor is plugged in? [07:36] let me test that [07:36] well actually [07:36] I remember [07:37] it just has the monitor on sort of [07:37] the monitor will have a signal, but nothing displayed [07:37] then you toggle it on with the On Off radio button [07:37] then adjust resolution, Hz, rotation, etc. [07:37] apply and close [07:38] most shouldn't need to adjust refresh or rotation [07:38] yeah [07:38] I just added that in case [07:39] jbicha, this look okay? http://pastebin.com/SU8C6VKG [07:39] that's the diffname.txt [07:40] no, that didn't work either, it should be a diff from the original stub [07:40] hmm [07:41] okay [07:41] should be good now [07:41] weird, it is not a stub :/ [07:43] there we go [07:44] jbicha, http://pastebin.com/kx8YMq76 ? [07:45] ooh, I didn't know bzr had a shelve option, that could be convenient [07:46] so can I email that one [07:48] wait [07:48] k [07:56] make your title more direct: Enable a second monitor [07:56] k [07:56] sooo just edit the diffchange? [07:57] no, just uncommit :-) [07:57] add extra returns so that your lines aren't longer than about 90-100 characters [07:57] k [07:58] this is an art ;-) [07:58] yes, we're picky [07:59] hehe I understand [07:59] copy and paste from another doc the system settings blurb so that the style is similar [07:59] k [08:00] you don't need to say radio button, just tell users to click On [08:00] k [08:01] and I don't think you need quotation marks [08:01] k [08:02] there's a writing style we've been using but I honestly am not sure how to describe it [08:02] hehe [08:02] I understand [08:02] copying what the other pages do is about the best advice I have [08:02] yeah [08:06] jbicha, okay I think we are go for launch [08:11] jbicha, http://pastebin.com/MXuWqTKZ [08:18] bueno? [08:20] well it needs more work but if you are stuck figuring out how to improve it you can submit it [08:21] I know it's not perfect :/ new to all this [08:21] what do you think [08:22] submit or work on it more tomorrow [08:22] if you can improve it, do so, otherwise you can email it [08:23] Ill work on it a bit longer [08:23] then submit it later tonight [08:23] any tips off the bat? I don't want to keep you awake [08:24] get rids of the tabs, just spaces are fine [08:38] it looks good now :) [08:39] going to email it off to you wizards [08:42] jbicha, emailed, thanks for the help, I think you'll be pleased with my last email [08:45] goodnight :) [09:50] Hi. I see backup page marked as "Outdated". [09:50] What is our approach now, we'll reccomented again sbackup or migrate to backintime or deja-dup? [18:30] j1mc: are you running unity right now? [18:32] or, you know, anybody running unity, can you run this is a terminal and paste the result: [18:32] echo $DESKTOP_SESSION [18:33] j1mc: and if you happen to have xfce running, I wouldn't mind seeing the result there as well [18:34] shaunm: peppe84@contumacia:~$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION [18:34] gnome [18:34] bugger [18:35] I'm trying to find a reliable way for yelp to know what environment it's running in [19:25] shaunm: this might be another dead end, but it's possible to sniff for the appmenu, but that can be used outside of Unity [19:25] though not by default === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [19:26] so I'm thinking it would be an ugly hack [19:27] maybe this would help too: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2011-February/011812.html [19:34] shaunm: yeah, it just says 'gnome' when running unity [19:35] yeah, probably going to have to check known service names on dbus [19:37] shaunm: I think that if there isn't a simple way, one should be created. I can't image just yelp would find it useful [19:48] i've sent an email to ubuntu-devel-discuss to get input from other developer folks. [19:57] mdke: its' been discussed before for years in places like xdg-list [19:57] there's always resistance [20:14] shaunm: bizarre [20:16] shaunm: did you say that to build html using your xslt I can just use a yelp-build script rather than installing the software? I am having problems compiling yelp-xsl [20:37] mdke: well, yelp-build is created from yelp-build.in when yelp-tools is built. so there's no yelp-build you can just take straight from git [20:37] but all that's done to create yelp-build is some substitutions for paths to various things from yelp-xsl [20:38] lines 19-25. you could just change the @ patterns to actual file paths by hand and call it a day [20:39] or I could just send you mine. if you have yelp-xsl installed in /usr (which you almost certainly do), it will work [20:46] shaunm: I have yelp-xsl 3.0.0 [20:47] (installed in /usr) [20:47] shaunm: it sounds like if you send me yours that would be really useful [20:48] there is probably a way to work around these build problems but if I can just use the yelp-build file without other changes, that is probably the easiest [21:07] shaunm: thanks :) [21:09] shaunm: it doesn't seem to like images with paths starting with / - http://paste.ubuntu.com/599964/ [21:09] is that a bug? [21:10] shaunm: aside from that, it works an absolute treat [21:10] thanks :) [21:12] mdke: oh, yeah, it just concatenates the path of the referencing page with the URL path [21:13] I guess for absolute paths, I probably shouldn't even copy the media [21:13] but, you know, those paths aren't going to work very well when you push the html to the web [21:14] shaunm: yeah, what we've done in the past is to change the URLs by running sed over the built html [21:14] ditto with ghelp links [21:15] ah, fair enough [21:16] well, if I'm reading the code right, those errors shouldn't stop the build or hurt anything else [21:16] nope, all looks to be in order [21:16] hmm, actually, you might have some crazy directories created [21:17] ah, it's created a usr/ directory [21:17] yeah [21:18] doesn't seem to be any harm done though [21:19] yeah, you should be able to safely rm -rf that [21:19] shaunm: another question. Can I use the same xsl customisations that we used to build docbook (like to build the html page header and such) with this? [21:19] maybe. I don't know how old those are, and what templates they overrode [21:20] but generally, the mallard and docbook output from yelp-xsl share a lot of the same code. you should be able to have a single customization that handles them both [21:20] let's try :) [21:21] this is the sort of thing - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/natty/view/head:/libs/ubuntu-banner.xsl [21:23] is that customization for docbook-xsl? [21:23] I think it is [21:23] yes [21:23] so the same template names aren't going to work [21:23] but it should be adaptable [21:24] (it would probably be worthwhile for yelp-xsl to have a few more stub templates for customizations, like putting stuff in the header and footer divs) [21:25] what I'd probably do with yelp-xsl 3.0.0 is just override html.page. copy what's there, keep stuff intact, and add what you need [21:25] if you use yelp-xsl's docbook stylesheets as well, the exact same customizations will work for both docbook and mallard [21:25] because they both go through the html.page template [21:26] most of the css is consolidated as well, using common classes [21:26] ok, will look into that now [21:27] ok, that looks workable [21:31] ideally, you shouldn't have to override that template, but I don't think yelp-xsl has the stub templates you need for your customizations [21:32] and really, short of adding calls to stubs so that those kinds of overrides aren't necessary in the future, I don't plan on changing that template any. so overriding should be future-safe [21:54] shaunm: getting there, using that template seems to be a fine solution. I really need to learn css properly :) [21:54] learning enough to fix problems and fill holes by trial and error is really slow [21:55] yeah I don't know css either [22:36] ok, I've taken that as far as I can this evening, will continue anon [22:37] code is in revision 1520 if anyone wants to look/help/test [22:37] --> bed