[01:35] <mycoDA> james3 - storage groups
[02:49] <qwebirc70522> I just tried installing mythbuntu 10.10 both amd64 and i386 on my computer, and it didnt work.  the mythbuntu screen came up for a brief instant, then my monitor lost sync, and the system was still running.  i tried two seperate systems (although in both instances I used the same video card, a radeon hd4850)
[02:50] <qwebirc70522> i couldnt even get to the menu to install anything
[02:54] <wgwinn> did you tell it vendor drivers? had the same issue; had to ssh in and set it up
[02:55] <qwebirc70522> no
[02:55] <qwebirc70522> im using the livecd
[02:56] <qwebirc70522> ubuntu isnt even installed on the computer
[02:56] <wgwinn> Hm
[02:56] <wgwinn> does ubuntu 101.10 stock work ?
[02:59] <qwebirc70522> not sure
[02:59] <qwebirc70522> should i download the live cd for it and try?
[03:01] <qwebirc70522> is there a reccommended hardware list?  i eventually plan on buying hardware specifically for a mythbuntu build
[03:24] <mycoDA> qwebirc70522: myth + ati = pain
[03:25] <mycoDA> spend $30 and get a gt210
[03:25] <mycoDA> actually linux + ati = pain qwebirc70522
[03:34] <patdk-lap> hmm, the gt210 is alittle limited, gt220 isn't
[03:35] <mycoDA> depends where you are
[03:35] <mycoDA> it wont manage ivtc, but that only matters to 30hz countries
[03:36] <patdk-lap> I don't watch tv :)
[03:36] <patdk-lap> only encodedmovies,so that doesn't matter to me :)
[03:36] <mycoDA> then no problem
[03:36] <mycoDA> long as they arent encoded to 30/60 hz lol
[03:37] <patdk-lap> most of it is
[03:37] <mycoDA> then u need ivtc
[03:37] <mycoDA> or want anyway
[03:37] <patdk-lap> ivtc?
[03:37] <mycoDA> stupid thing to do
[03:37] <mycoDA> inverse telecine
[03:38] <patdk-lap> sounds pointless
[03:38] <patdk-lap> if it was encoded at 30fps, ivtc wouldn't help
[03:38] <mycoDA> restores 30hz content to 24 hz
[03:38] <patdk-lap> cause ivtc is when 24fps is recoded as 30fps
[03:38] <mycoDA> it uses telecine to make it 30fps
[03:38] <patdk-lap> if it's 30fps, it's 30fps
[03:38] <mycoDA> so inverse telecine makes it 24
[03:38] <patdk-lap> your assuming the movie started at 24fps though
[03:39] <mycoDA> it did, unless it is made for tv
[03:39] <patdk-lap> well,was produced, then converted to 30fps
[03:39] <patdk-lap> ya,made for tv
[03:39] <patdk-lap> if it wasn't made for tv, then it's in 24fps
[03:40] <mycoDA> irrelevant anyway - the point is that all the gt210 woul dmiss is ivtc and perhaps advanced 2x deint on HD content
[03:42] <patdk-lap> heh, I say for the $10 diff or so, it's worth not worring about
[03:43] <mycoDA> more than that here
[03:45] <patdk-lap> I have a few gt220 low profile, and several gt240/gt250's
[03:46] <patdk-lap> the low profile ones seem to overheat too easily, causing black displays :(
[03:46] <patdk-lap> normally just stick with pure cpu decoding on them
[03:56] <qwebirc70522> what advantage does the gt220 have over the 210?  does myth tv have gpu acceleration built in?
[04:04] <patdk-lap> the gt220 has alittle more *cpu* power
[04:05] <patdk-lap> so it can handle more intense filters
[04:15] <qwebirc70522> oh cool i didnt know it had gpu acceleration
[04:17] <qwebirc70522> what cpu would you reccomend for a single atsc tuner setup that i want to be able to play video backsimeultaneously?
[04:21] <patdk-lap> that isn't too hard
[04:22] <patdk-lap> probably a dualcore 2.2ghz or so
[04:22] <patdk-lap> probably less will do
[04:22] <patdk-lap> using a gt210 better, a 1ghz cpu would do
[04:23] <patdk-lap> doing atsc isn't really hard at all, it's just mpeg2
[04:23] <patdk-lap> doing h264 is much harder
[04:28] <mycoDA> should never rely on vdpau to do everything tho - keep a decent cpu as a fallback
[04:36] <qwebirc70522> so a core 2 duo w 1 mb of l2 cache running at 2.4ghz would work well?
[04:36] <mycoDA> yep, lovely
[04:37] <mycoDA> do you have onboard video, cos that will work, intel is fine will just load up your cpu
[04:38] <mycoDA> qwebirc70522
[04:42] <qwebirc70522> i dont have integrated video unfortunately
[04:44] <qwebirc70522> can mythtv utilize a quad core cpu fully?
[04:49] <mycoDA> yeah, certainly on the backend
[04:50] <Shadow__X> there are some solutions out there that have a c2d 2.4ghz geforce 320m and idles at around 10watts of power
[04:50] <Shadow__X> something like this may be a good idea
[04:53] <mycoDA> personally using an ol amd x2 5200+ brisbane with an nforce4 sli mobo and 9600gt
[04:53] <qwebirc70522> how many tuners do you use?
[04:53] <mycoDA> 3
[04:53] <mycoDA> the 9600gt is at half clock
[04:55] <qwebirc70522> nice  how much ram does one need?
[04:55] <mycoDA> i have 1G used generally
[04:55] <mycoDA> has 4G in it
[04:55] <qwebirc70522> ah
[04:56] <mycoDA> uses the rest as cache
[04:56] <mycoDA> linux is clever like that
[04:56] <qwebirc70522> so 2gb would probably be ok?
[04:56] <mycoDA> yeah awesome
[04:56] <qwebirc70522> cool
[04:56] <Shadow__X> depending on activity someone could do 2gb but with the prices not being that much different it couldnt hurt to go with 4gb
[04:56] <mycoDA> depends if you have it i spose
[04:57] <mycoDA> gettin the feelin qwebirc70522 has something lying about
[04:57] <qwebirc70522> im going to try to install ubuntu tommorow
[04:57] <qwebirc70522> haha well i have tons of old hardware
[04:57] <mycoDA> can use standard ubuntu and install the mythbuntu-control-center package
[04:57] <Shadow__X> qwebirc70522: if you plan on using mythtv it might be benefitial to try using mythbuntu
[04:57] <mycoDA> or mythbuntu-desktop
[04:58] <Shadow__X> or that mycoDA suggested
[04:58] <mycoDA> all end up the same way pretty much
[04:58] <mycoDA> recommend 10.04 LTS
[04:58] <qwebirc70522> already tried installing mythbuntu earlier today and it didnt work
[04:58] <mycoDA> !rope
[04:58] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about rope
[04:58] <mycoDA> !REPO
[04:58] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about REPO
[04:59] <mycoDA> !url repo
[04:59] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about url repo
[04:59] <qwebirc70522> i tried using 10.10 tho, but as others were saying its probably video card related i have a radeon 4850 i am testing with
[04:59] <mycoserve> can upgrade to 0.24 fixes with the packages here http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[05:00] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Mythbuntu Repositories | Mythbuntu
[05:00] <mycoserve> reason for using 10.04 is it will be supported longer, and will have myth released for it until 12.04 comes along
[05:00] <mycoDA> ahh,, lockup finished lol
[05:01] <mycoserve> this is my myth machine lol
[05:05] <mycoDA> this is my doze lappy i use for uni - hence lockups
[06:35] <tgm4883> mycoDA, you are looking for !repo
[06:35] <tgm4883> !repo
[06:35] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about repo
[06:35] <tgm4883> !repos
[06:35] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[06:35] <tgm4883> bah
[06:35] <tgm4883> !REPOS
[06:35] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[06:35] <tgm4883> ok, at least it isn't case sensitive
[06:43] <mycoDA> glad it got you too tgm4883
[06:44] <mycoDA> if you happen to own zinn, maybe alias repos to repo? lol
[06:44] <Zinn> Hi mycoDA, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[06:45] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, ^^
[14:13] <rhpot1991> what now?
[14:18] <mycoDA> what what now?
[14:18] <mycoDA> u mean the suggestion !repos be aliased to !repo rhpot1991 ?
[14:23] <rhpot1991> !repo
[14:23] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[14:24]  * rhpot1991 fails at reading sometimes
[14:24] <mycoDA> sweet - thanks :)
[15:13] <tmkt> morning
[15:38] <James3> can anybody recommend an HTPC case, which would be supported out of the box by mythbuntu, preferably with a remote/lcd, but not essential
[15:38] <James3> and preferably a recomendation based on something you have actually used :P
[15:40] <mycoDA> case?
[15:40] <mycoDA> oh - you want an lcd
[15:42] <mycoDA> apparently the antec fusions should work ootb http://avenard.com/media/Patches_%26_Add-Ons/Entries/2009/10/17_LIRC_and_LCD_to_work_with_Antec_Fusion_Remote_Black_%28Karmic%29.html
[15:42] <Zinn> [avenard.com] LIRC/LCD & Antec Remote Fusion
[15:43] <mycoDA> james3
[15:47] <James3> cool i was looking at that one, but mythtv.org says the remote sucks
[15:48] <mycoDA> irmon?
[15:48] <mycoDA> *imon
[15:49] <James3> Note: The included IR remote is useless, except for learning the IR code to turn the power on remotely. The mouse pad is touchy and not well supported, as yet, in the lirc CVS code. The remote is cheaply made and you are better off using it solely to train a better remote as to the IR codes.
[15:49] <mycoDA> how old is that?
[15:49] <James3> not sure
[15:49] <James3> hmm dec 2009
[15:49] <James3> might have changed since then eh :P
[15:50] <mycoDA> for that matter, where is that?
[15:50] <James3> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Antec_Fusion
[15:50] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Antec Fusion - MythTV Official Wiki
[15:50] <mycoDA> LIRC 0.8.6 creates only one /dev/lirc0 device, and the default  lircd.conf found in  /usr/share/lirc/remotes/imon/lircd.conf.imon-antec-veris works out of  the box.
[15:50] <mycoDA> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Antec_Fusion_lirc
[15:50] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Antec Fusion lirc - MythTV
[15:51] <James3> hmm cool
[15:51] <James3> so any issues are work aroundable
[15:53] <mycoDA> i had the nsk2480 which is the same case without the display and remote, really impressed with it
[15:57] <mycoDA> i know a lot of other cases use the soundgraph imon remoted, not sure about displays but i know some are vga
[16:01] <James3> well im gonna go with that case (my supplier also has it in stock)
[16:01] <James3> now to fill it :P
[16:01] <James3> this is going to be a secondary backend to go with another myth
[16:05] <mycoDA> you an aussie by an chance?
[16:05] <mycoDA> james3
[16:05] <James3> no uk
[16:06] <mycoDA> kk
[16:06] <mycoDA> dont quite get the whole dual backend thing myself
[16:06] <mycoDA> dont see the point
[16:06] <James3> well theres a good point for it here :P
[16:06] <James3> i agree usually its pointless, just build a better backend lol
[16:06] <mycoDA> but a secondary wont need to handle the database
[16:07] <James3> here we already have a myth, which also acts as a nas
[16:07] <mycoDA> i3 maybe, or athlon2 e
[16:07] <James3> that is built into a cupboard, and inaccessible
[16:07] <James3> the new one will be going in the front room, play all the content on the backend,
[16:07] <James3> but also the client has a lot of vhs tapes which he wants digitised,
[16:08] <mycoDA> ahh
[16:08] <James3> so the downstairs machine will have 2 vcr's attached
[16:08] <mycoDA> still - doesnt need to be a backend
[16:08] <James3> i still have to get my head around getting myth to record off them
[16:08] <James3> as it has no 'listings' for it
[16:08] <James3> or in fact a channel numer
[16:08] <mycoDA> makes more sense to use a plain ol grabber and put em in mythvideo
[16:08] <James3> last time i played with it, i couldnt get the myth to 'watch the channel' the vcr was hooked up to
[16:09] <James3> its svideo in on a pvr-500 card
[16:10] <tgm4883> James3, I have an antec fusion that is pretty nice
[16:10] <mycoDA> i dont see much reason to use myth for that bit
[16:10] <tgm4883> I use an MCE remote though
[16:10] <mycoDA> does it work with the fusion reciever?
[16:11] <James3> that would be good, i have 2 of those already :P
[16:11] <rhpot1991> !develop%
[16:11] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about develop%
[16:11] <rhpot1991> hmmm
[16:11] <rhpot1991> http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/13
[16:11] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net] My MythTV Setup | www.baablogic.net
[16:12] <rhpot1991> James3: ^
[16:12] <James3> nice
[16:13] <James3> with mythvideo, do i need to map the folders from each frontend seperately
[16:13] <James3> atm, ny upstairs backend has everything listed, but the frontend just shows recordings, no films/music/etc
[16:14] <tgm4883> James3, do you have mythvideo install on the frontend?
[16:14] <James3> maybe not lol
[16:14] <James3> i did a standard install from a 10.10 disk yesterday
[16:15] <tgm4883> James3, you should see "Watch Videos" in the frontend if it is installed
[16:16] <rhpot1991> its not installed by default
[16:16] <mycoDA> you dont need to map folders if you use storage groups james3
[16:16] <rhpot1991> and with storage groups it should automagically see them
[16:16] <mycoDA> if mythvideo is installed
[16:16] <rhpot1991> unless you aren't using storage groups for some reason
[16:16] <mycoDA> i'm not - but thats more legacy than anything
[16:17] <mycoDA> and the fact myth wont handle a lot o subtitles for stuff i have so i need to have mplayer usable
[16:17] <rhpot1991> I don't for ISOs, thats it
[16:17] <James3> i dont seem to have any setup options related to plugins
[16:17] <James3> on the frontend how do i see what is installed/active?
[16:17] <mycoDA> mythbuntu control center james
[16:18] <mycoDA> can choose plugins there
[16:18] <James3> ah k
[16:22] <mycoDA> any of you guys have any experience with HID remotes?
[16:22] <mycoDA> I have a couple of these - seem to be quite good http://www.buyincoins.com/details/pc-remote-control-windows-media-center-xp-vista-controller-01-product-77.html
[16:22] <Zinn> [www.buyincoins.com] PC Remote Control Windows Media Center XP Vista Controller 01 - BuyinCoins.com
[16:23] <mycoDA> only one way obviously, no blaster
[16:24] <rhpot1991> James3: are you US?
[16:26] <mycoDA> UK
[16:28] <James3> damit
[16:28] <mycoDA> ?
[16:28] <James3> make the control centre work with just a keyboard :P
[16:28]  * James3 goes to find a mouse
[16:28] <mycoDA> lol
[16:28] <mycoDA> one o the reasons i love my remote
[16:28] <James3> cant tab between anything
[16:56] <James3> anyone know of a 4 port DVB-S2 card
[16:56] <James3> or any 2 port cards which play nicely with 2 in the system?
[16:57] <James3> we have a quad lnb, so may as well use it :P
[18:00] <James3> with this antec fusion remote case, does it take a full size atx mobo and psu?
[18:10] <rhpot1991> microatx
[18:10] <rhpot1991> regular sized ps
[18:46] <James3> http://www.scan.co.uk/products/antec-fusion-remote-max-black-htpc-desktop-4u-atx-case-w-o-psu
[18:46] <James3> im going for one of those instead
[18:46] <James3> same idea, but a bigger case
[22:00] <James3> 2011-04-27 21:57:58.508 AO, ERROR: Error occurred while resampling audio: Input and output data arrays overlap.
[22:00] <James3> 2011-04-27 21:57:58.897 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingVideo to None
[22:00] <James3> 2011-04-27 21:57:58.921 TV: Changing from WatchingVideo to None
[22:00] <James3> mythfrontend.real: audiooutputbase.cpp:127: virtual AudioOutputBase::~AudioOutputBase(): Assertion `memory_corruption_test1 == 0xdeadbeef' failed.
[22:00] <James3> while trying to stop watching a video mythvideo was playing
[22:00] <James3> the frontend just crashed completely
[22:00] <James3> any ideas?
[22:01] <James3> i was getting that AO error the whole time the video was playing it seems
[22:08] <James3> happened when i hit the stop button