[07:41] <rww> hypatia: did you ever get your BT access sorted out?
[09:29] <ikonia> does anyone know what spicemaster/jungli was on about, he came in at 19:00UK time last night telling me to mind my own business ? I've not actually been on IRC since about 17:00UK time yesterday, did something happen ?
[09:35] <ikonia> never mind, just found the logs in #freenode, he's moaning as his cloak was removed
[09:35] <Tm_T> aww
[09:38] <Corey> A pity, that.
[09:49] <ikonia> he just had a delayed reaction, I couldn't understand what had upset him 2 hours after I left for the evening
[09:55] <Corey> ikonia: Could you make the banning a little noiser next time? :-p
[09:55] <ikonia> I don't know what triggered the bots
[09:55] <ikonia> and a delightful message of "fuck you" has been recieved
[10:01] <Corey> So polite.
[10:16] <ikonia> ginbuntu again ban dodging
[10:16] <bazhang> argh
[10:32] <ikonia> hello necreo
[11:05] <Flannel> oh?
[11:05] <Flannel> er
[11:06] <ikonia> ^542jPz$$
[11:06] <ikonia> oops
[11:06] <mrmist> best change that password.
[11:06] <ikonia> it's actually not a password so it's fine
[11:07] <mrmist> :D
[11:07] <Flannel> Its just the hash of a password!
[11:07] <ikonia> attention log readers, you may have that if you think it's a password
[11:07] <Flannel> ikonia: Thanks, by the way, I was trying to come up with a new password, that one looks pretty secure!
[11:08] <ikonia> welcome
[11:08]  * popey hugs pwgen
[11:08] <ikonia> I can give you some more random sequences if you want
[11:08] <jussi> just a reminder, we are still looking for more things to be discussed at uds, so feel free to add stuff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/UDS-O/Ideas
[11:16] <BlouBlou> hi, there is a guy on #ubuntu-offtopic called ikonia2, I don't think is the real one, just reporting it
[11:16] <ikonia> I see it
[11:16] <ikonia> thanks
[11:16] <BlouBlou> np
[11:16] <ikonia> I think he's the same guy I've banned before
[11:16] <Flannel> He's so sneaky that he pings you!
[11:17] <ikonia> total waste of time
[12:18] <bazhang> wonder if qfd is gurke_ et al
[12:19] <ikonia> if he asks if 11.04 is stable....then yes
[12:31] <bazhang> * [lionzw] (~quassel@77.246.55.142): lionzw  in #kubuntu , was doing the same in #ubuntu yesterday
 hello when does ubuntu stable   same exact IP as qfd
[13:19] <ikonia> what a surprise
[13:21] <ikonia> as soon as I kicked him frankwe [~frankwe@p57A842C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1
[13:21] <ikonia> another use, same isp joined
[13:21] <ikonia> odds ?
[13:22] <ikonia> looking at his conversation in #fedora, it's a different guy totally
[13:22] <bazhang> yeah thats a different person
[13:24] <bazhang> we have so many bans on ginbuntu that the earlier ones seem redundant
[13:24] <ikonia> I plan to do a little house keeping later, same for jungli
[13:24] <bazhang> I've cleared most of my outstanding bans apart from one long term issue
[13:27] <knome> bazhang, what about the not-so-outstanding bans ;)
[13:28] <bazhang> knome, just one
[13:28] <knome> bazhang, didn't get the pun? ;)
[13:29] <bazhang> knome, heh yeah, long day here
[13:31] <jussi> !-isitout
[13:31] <Tm_T> !-countdown
[13:31] <Tm_T> hmm
[13:31] <knome> no problem - just don't burn out ;)
[13:32] <Tm_T> oh right, countdown is for partybot?
[13:53] <LjL> no...
 It's already out!
[13:54] <bazhang> ^ countdown
[13:54] <jussi> !countdown
[13:54] <jussi> !countdown-#ubuntu-release-party
[13:54] <jussi> ;)
[13:54] <Tm_T> ah
[14:43] <Logan_> !countdown =~ s/already out/not out yet/
[14:43] <Pici> !search countdown
[14:43] <Pici> ah
[14:44] <Pici> !countdown-#ubuntu-release-party
[14:44] <Pici> !no countdown-#ubuntu-release-party is <alias> isitout
[17:07] <ikonia> Pici: I'm sorry. but that was good
[17:07] <ikonia> 17:07 < Teeko> my bad, lemme write you a book
[17:07] <Pici> :{
[18:37] <Pici> Meh, people already trying to spread 11.04 iso links
[18:52] <popey> haha
[19:11] <Pici> !freenode
[19:56] <Pici> hrm
[19:57] <Pici> tjiggi_fo suggested DerDAS might be lars, I'm not sure.
[19:57] <maco> my brain suggested it too
[19:58] <maco> the "ask over and over even after an answer" thing
[19:58] <Pici> Behavior in -release-party isn't so pleasant either.  I suspect they'll be removed soon
[20:00] <ikonia> "my cock is in you".....pathetic
[20:00] <IdleOne> the host looks right
[20:00] <ikonia> if thats how you communicate, I suggest you find another community
[20:00] <jussi> yeah, one more and he is definately taking a break...
[20:00] <IdleOne> it's him
[20:00] <ikonia> it's just uncalled from anyone, randomly commenting like that, people have lost the ability to actually communicate
[20:01]  * Pici feels snarky, but will refrain from commenting
[20:02] <IdleOne> I PM'ed and told them the ban will be lifted when release is official.
[20:02] <ikonia> must be lars's neighbours again, I caught him in #ubuntu earlier too
[20:02] <Pici> IdleOne: when -release-party is closed?
[20:02] <ikonia> clever
[20:02] <ikonia> just quit -ot what a surprise
[20:03] <IdleOne> Pici: soon as manager announces they can rejoin
[20:03] <IdleOne> if the channel happens to be closed at that time they should have known better then to act like a troll.
[20:03] <ikonia> I'd rather it was as soon as -r-p was closed
[20:05] <jussi> everyone gets unbanned when -r-p gets closed dont they? (seem to remember that from last year)
[20:05] <IdleOne> yes
[20:05] <ikonia> yes, from the previous years
[20:06] <jussi> and for what its worth, I think IdleOne's idea is decent - most of the hype is over by the time the release is announced, and letting him back in gives him a chance to try again
[20:06] <ikonia> jussi: I don't think it's the best option the guy is being a problem in every ubuntu channel he joins, hence the list of bans
[20:06] <ikonia> just leave him out until he gets the idea that it's not worth while to continue this stupid game
[20:06] <jussi> ikonia: are we certain its him?
[20:07] <IdleOne> jussi: fits the pattern
[20:07] <ikonia> based on a number of factors I'm confident
[20:07]  * Pici hugs his OUTYET alias
[20:08] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[20:08] <ikonia> mine is /mode +b $1
[20:08] <ikonia> test it out for me ?
[20:08] <jussi> I dont know. in anycase, giving him a second chance isnt such a big thing - if its him he will get himself banned again real quick, if its not, then maybe he has learnt
[20:08] <jussi> ikonia: lol
[20:09] <ikonia> he's dodging about 10 bans at the moment, how about he's not learnt his lesson, lets not waste any more time with him ?
[20:09]  * Pici is in a conference call, shouldn't be on IRC
[20:09] <Pici> I'm running this call too, doh
[20:09] <ikonia> Pici: mute is your friend
[20:10] <Pici> ikonia: And suggesting to my coworkers that the phone wasn't on mute when they made their own snarky remark.
[20:10] <jussi> ikonia: he fits a pattern, but youve no proof its him, so yes, second chance IMHO. (but thats just me - for me its not such a huge effort to reban)
[20:10] <ikonia> jussi: have you any proof anyone is actually anyone on irc unless they come out and say "yes it's mean $x again, here to be a pain"
[20:11] <Pici> er
[20:11] <ikonia> "me"
[20:12] <jussi> ikonia: sure, youve your opinion, Ive mine - got a feeling we are gonna have to agree to be different on this one :)
[20:13] <ikonia> I think I differ on the whole "you get 9000 chances to be a pain in the ubuntu namespace" stance in general
[20:16] <ikonia> knowbody: hello there
[20:38] <ikonia> knowbody: if you don't need anything from the #ubuntu-ops channel we request you leave and come back when you do need something
[20:50] <knowbody> w- ikonia, I did I guess from your conversation your not having a good day and politeness id lost on you - please have a good day
[20:50] <rww> ... huhwat
[20:50] <Pici> what?
[20:50] <rww> ikonia: I thank you for being a magnet for all the really odd people recently so they leave the rest of us alone. You're a trooper.
[20:51] <Pici> ditto
[21:26] <ikonia> I am a
[21:27] <ikonia> damn connection
[21:27] <ikonia> I am a hero
[21:43] <MichealH> Hi
[21:43] <MichealH> I was wondering if It was okay to put a piespy in #ubuntu-release-party
[21:44] <Tm_T> can't see what harm it would do
[21:44] <Tm_T> hmm, it's not logged
[21:45] <IdleOne> I'm ok with it but I would like for IRCC member to confirm
[21:45] <MichealH> So Its a Okay, or would I need more heads nodding before i can?
[21:45] <ikonia> what's a piespy ?
[21:45] <MichealH> http://www.jibble.org/piespy/
[21:45] <maco> http://www.jibble.org/piespy/
[21:45] <MichealH> maco: Beat you! :P
[21:46] <ikonia> looks interesting
[21:46] <MichealH> Basically It creates links between people and things
[21:46] <maco> based on who talks to whom, i take it?
[21:46] <Tm_T> only issue I would see is, the channel is logged, so if someone likes to hide his activity on that channel... really makes no sense so no issues AFAICS
[21:46] <Tm_T> maco: yes
[21:46] <IdleOne> doesn't log any thing ?
[21:46] <MichealH> here is some output from a quick convosation in #omg!ubuntu!
[21:46] <MichealH> No logging
[21:46] <Tm_T> IdleOne: not publicly
[21:46] <IdleOne> go for it.
[21:46] <MichealH> This is all it does:
[21:46] <MichealH> http://michealh.tk/piespy/omg!ubuntu!/omg!ubuntu!-current.png
[21:46] <Tm_T> and I meant to say the channel isn't logged
[21:47] <MichealH> Okies :D
[21:47] <Tm_T> it isn't my day...
[21:47] <IdleOne> Tm_T: you don't go to a party to hide :)
[21:47] <MichealH> When it generates something I could give you a link :P
[21:47] <Tm_T> IdleOne: I know, that's why that objection doesn't stand
[21:48] <MichealH> There... Its a bit obvious what nick it uses :P
[21:48] <IdleOne> iirc we have 3 people keeping stats for that channel anyway. another graph won't hurt.
[21:48] <MichealH> http://michealh.tk/piespy/ubuntu-release-party/ubuntu-release-party-current.png
[21:49] <MichealH> Anyway, Thanks fro the permission :)
[21:49] <MichealH> Have a nice release party! :)
[21:49] <Tm_T> IdleOne: I agree
[21:50] <popey> http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu-release-party-current.png
[21:50] <popey> snap!
[21:50] <ikonia> more interesting
[22:14] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu mat789 Trolling ##windows after LAcan mentioned that there was a Windows/Ubuntu flamewar going on there, and I mentioned that doing that, or trolling there, is a bad idea.
[22:20] <Flannel> Is he still doing it?
[22:25] <LjL> Flannel: only one message after my mark
[23:24] <elky> Do the guidelines state that organising the trolling of other channels within our channels is forbidden?
[23:26] <LjL> they probably should
[23:26] <LjL> we certainly didn't go easy on the archlinux trolls
[23:26] <LjL> i'm sure we're expected to be better than that
[23:26] <elky> Mhm. This might need to be made clear though.
[23:27] <LjL> yes maybe, it should be an easy decision though. it'd be pretty hypocritical of us to refuse having a rule like that, after we had freenode staff gave #archlinux ultimatums
[23:28] <elky> Indeed, although to be fair the freenode staff did it for their own rules not entirely at our insistence.
[23:29] <LjL> even in that case, without enforcing that rule ourselves we'd risk finding ourself in the opposite situation, and i'm sure we wouldn't like that
[23:29] <elky> Mhm
[23:29] <elky> I'm not disputing that at all.
[23:30] <elky> LjL, unfortunately we have to go through essentially a Change Request process to fix this :(
[23:31] <elky> LjL, if you're not at work or whatever, a mail to the council and -irc lists would be appreciated :)
[23:32] <LjL> elky: could argue that it's implicit in our being on freenode, as i believe their rules explicitly forbid channels being a trollpit
[23:33] <LjL> (although then you could argue... i know)
[23:33] <elky> LjL, yeah, discussion worth havign though
[23:34] <elky> also s/being a trollpit/used for organising harassment of other groups and people/ is more encompassing. Also redundant with the freenode policy though.
[23:36] <rww> huh, that piespy thing is neat
[23:44] <LjL> elky: mail sent
[23:44] <elky> thanks