[00:57] <jdeslip> Google Docs now uses the Ubuntu font :)
[00:57] <jdeslip> (or has the Ubuntu font as an option)
[00:59] <akk> Cool! I'm not getting it in the normal list ... how do I see other fonts? (It only shows me about 5.)
[01:00] <seidos> i haven't used google docs in awhile, i use gedit
[01:01] <seidos> does fixedsys count as an ubuntu font?
[01:01] <seidos> :|
[01:01] <akk> I only use google docs for a wiki we use at work.
[01:02] <pleia2> shows up for me in the list, there are about a dozen
[01:02] <pleia2> I didn't do anything special to make them show up
[01:03] <seidos> oooo FIOS
[01:04] <akk> Maybe it acts differently for domain-specific pages vs. regular google docs.
[01:04] <broder> no, i get it on a totally random doc
[01:05] <broder> maybe it's browser-specific?
[01:05] <pleia2> shows up in my @gmail and my hosted domain account, might take time to roll out to all their servers or something?
[01:06] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/bugs/771443 is the bug report about it, someone did some fast work :)
[01:06] <akk> Maybe so. I'll try it later in the week.
[01:07] <pleia2> (like narwhals on google maps!)
[01:08] <akk> narwhals on google maps?
[01:11] <jdeslip> Hmm, I thought this would be something Google would have to change...
[01:12] <jdeslip> That bug report makes it sound like Ubuntu was able to change something
[01:17] <pleia2> akk: for april fool's day if you put in canonical's london address in google maps you'd see a cartoo narwhal in the thames
[01:18] <pleia2> jdeslip: yeah, it's a google thing, I think some folks at canonical are friendly with the UK googlers
[01:18] <pleia2> http://design.canonical.com/2011/04/01-narwhal-at-lambeth-bridge/
[01:21] <akk> Cute! Wow, talk about an easter egg not many people will see. :)
[02:49] <projectdp> anyone know about that amazon ec2 linux instance you can get?
[02:53] <erichammond> projectdp: Yes, Amazon provides their own Linux distro.
[02:54] <grantbow> seems you can google for "amazon ec2 linux free" and read up on AWS Free Usage Tier
[02:56] <grantbow> or go directly to aws.amazon.com/free
[02:58] <grantbow> erichammond: what their distro derived from?
[02:58] <grantbow> *is
[02:59] <erichammond> grantbow: As I understand it, Amazon Linux is based on CentOS
[03:00] <erichammond> At the beginning, Amazon's MapReduce instances were Debian, but I'm not sure if that's still true.
[03:01] <erichammond> The EC2 host OS used to be RedHat in the very early days.  No idea if that's still true.  I imagine they would have moved to CentOS at some point for cost savings.
[03:04] <grantbow> I thought I heard awhile back that a large % of cloud instances were Ubuntu based.
[03:06] <grantbow> http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/2010-the-year-of-ubuntus-rise/
[03:08] <grantbow> ah, market use is high despite what they run on the backend at aws.amazon.com
[03:08] <seidos> how many software engineers does it take to install a cloud OS?
[03:09] <seidos> 1, they can afford the hardware
[03:10] <projectdp> :)
[03:11] <grantbow> cute
[03:12] <projectdp> grantbow: yeah i've read about it a bit on the site, but i was looking for people who have used it
[03:12] <pleia2> projectdp: might also want to check this out if you have 55 minutes to burn: https://10.cloud.ubuntu.com/
[03:14] <projectdp> i'll consider it
[03:14] <projectdp> hehe
[03:14] <projectdp> oh wow :D
[03:14] <grantbow> pleia2: that's a free one hour instance?
[03:15] <pleia2> grantbow: yeah
[03:15] <pleia2> I read about it here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10941
[03:15] <grantbow> things like this back up the numbers cited in that blog post I just linked.
[03:21] <seidos> anyone in the mood for investigating a line of perl?
[03:24] <wiretapped> maybe :)
[03:26] <seidos> i'm trying to nest a foreach in an if statement, i think that isn't going to work
[03:28] <wiretapped> what is the if supposed to test?
[03:28] <wiretapped> nesting anything in anything ought to be possible, i mean, it's perl
[03:28] <wiretapped> not necessarily a good idea, though
[03:30] <seidos> here's the code
[03:30] <seidos> http://scsys.co.uk:8002/99719
[03:30] <seidos> line 210
[03:44] <wiretapped> seidos: why do you need a foreach there? can't you just join your array?
[03:45] <wiretapped> (forgive me if i misunderstand what you're trying to do, my perl is extremely rusty)
[03:50] <seidos> wiretapped: unfortunately no, i need the specific array element given syntactically from the chat room
[03:50] <seidos> wiretapped: there are 408 i think, i am trying to avoid coding it as 400+ if's or a switch
[03:52] <seidos> someone mentioned List:: i will have to investigate this
[04:00] <seidos> i'm going to grep my perl code see if i can find some List:: samples
[06:32] <Mike_H_> Hello hello! I have a question
[06:32] <Mike_H_> are there any LUGs in the vicinity of Irvine?
[06:33] <Mike_H_> Anyone around that would know?
[06:34] <seidos> i've heard someone mention "oc lug" Mike_H_
[06:35] <seidos> hey philipballew watt up?
[06:35] <Mike_H_> seidos: where do they meet out of, do you know?
[06:35] <Mike_H_> ah, found it
[06:35] <Mike_H_> CSU Fullerton apparently
[06:36] <seidos> ah, didn't know that
[06:36] <Mike_H_> http://www.oclug.org/
[06:36] <seidos> oc is kind of far from me
[06:36] <Mike_H_> I'm not from California, just trying to find a California person who is interested
[06:36] <Mike_H_> a group they can go to
[06:37] <philipballew> theres one in san diego!
[06:37] <Mike_H_> I'm not very Ubuntu/Linux oriented and I don't even think there is a group for those users where I'm from, it's a tad hick ;)
[06:37] <philipballew> where are you from?
[06:37] <philipballew> sedios whats up!
[06:37] <Mike_H_> Pensacola, FL
[06:38] <Mike_H_> and I just did a search, and there actually is one!
[06:38] <seidos> i met some of the guys here awhile ago at Chapman U
[06:38] <Mike_H_> http://www.pcolalug.org/
[06:38] <Mike_H_> heh
[06:38] <seidos> i don't know if they meet out there anymore though
[06:38] <Mike_H_> East Wright Street
[06:38] <Mike_H_> that's near our big gay bar
[06:39] <Mike_H_> lol.
[06:40] <seidos> O_O
[06:56] <sn9> philipballew: you mentioned something about Sacto?
[07:18] <seidos> sn9: i think he went afk
[07:18] <sn9> seems so
[07:46] <philipballew> sn9 what about sacto
[07:46] <sn9> i'm living there atm
[07:47] <philipballew> i will be living there in about 3 weeks for all summer.
[07:47] <sn9> what part?
[07:47] <philipballew> auburn
[07:47] <sn9> ah
[07:47] <philipballew> what about you?
[07:47] <sn9> natomas
[07:47] <philipballew> nice area. have spent lots of time there
[07:48] <sn9> nice? lol
[07:50] <philipballew> i think so. is arco gonna be gone there though i hear?
[07:51] <sn9> i heard something about the naming rights expiring, but no details
[07:51] <seidos> i just learned i met sn9 at SCaLE 2 years in a row
[07:51] <seidos> like 2 days ago ^_^
[07:52] <philipballew> besketball is loosing in populartiy
[07:52] <sn9> well, i was at 6x, 7x, 8x, and 9x
[07:52] <philipballew> but tell that to the mayor
[07:52] <seidos> i was at 8x and 9x
[07:52] <philipballew> i was at 9
[07:52] <philipballew> x
[07:53] <seidos> ah well i gotta' get ready for bed
[07:53] <seidos> good night all
[16:04] <seidos> dang, i think i just broke gedit pasting ~380 lines
[16:04] <seidos> now when i open the file gedit spikes to 100% cpu
[16:04] <seidos> i guess i'm going back to vim
[16:07] <seidos> ah, i see why
[17:03] <MarkDude> Embedded Systems Conference Silicon Valley- registration closes April 28th   http://esc.eetimes.com/siliconvalley/
[17:04] <MarkDude> WOZ will be there on Tuesday http://esc.eetimes.com/siliconvalley/siliconvalley/keynotes
[17:04] <MarkDude> EXPO, keynotes, and teardowns are FREE
[17:08] <akk> Cool, thanks.
[17:10]  * MarkDude plans on seeing the Woz- and getting the SWAG bag - http://esc.eetimes.com/siliconvalley/technology_tote
[17:11] <MarkDude> 40 ft T-Rex also
[17:11] <seidos> ^_^
[17:11] <MarkDude> hey seidos
[17:11] <seidos> hey MarkDude
[17:11] <MarkDude> Dinosaurs and a famous nerd - Im there
[17:11] <seidos> i need to call my dad about visiting SF again
[17:11] <akk> That looks cool, MarkDude -- thanks for the tip :)
[17:12] <seidos> it's either drive up there, or get stuff shipped to me
[17:12] <MarkDude> Well Chris showed me the link- I had to change some plans
[17:12] <seidos> though, to be honest i'm not sure how much use i'll get out of my suit and my tools, but i guess it's good to have them just in case
[17:13] <seidos> today is a Crashspace event at the Boys and Girls club in Long Beach at 6pm
[17:14] <seidos> i'm going to bring an old dvd player, and see if the kids want to try to imagine and draw what's inside, then open it up so they can see
[17:15] <akk> MarkDude: Yeah, I want to see the dinosaur.
[17:16] <MarkDude> akk the tie-in they have with the dino makes sense
[17:16] <MarkDude> seidos, I have done the same with my nephew
[17:16] <akk> What's the tie-in? Aside from "dinosaurs are cool and everybody wants to see it" which admittedly is enough for me. :)
[17:17] <seidos> MarkDude: i haven't.  my nephews think i'm a loon.  surprise surprise.
[17:17] <seidos> they would rather play video games than talk to me T_T
[17:17] <MarkDude> We took a battery and some switches and made the tray  move
[17:17] <MarkDude> well my nephew KNOWS I am loonie- but he still like making stuff that moves and makes noises
[17:18] <seidos> yeah, they don't seem to be into that
[17:18] <MarkDude> these kids nowadays with their music, clothes, etc
[17:19] <MarkDude> In my day....
[17:19] <seidos> my other nephew also had a lot of resistance to stuff i tried to show him.  but i never had an old dvd player then.
[17:19] <MarkDude> Tape players and VCRs also have many moving gears and belts
[17:20] <seidos> he was more kinesthetically oriented.  he has a learning disability.  i got him into skateboard a little, but he never wanted to practice by himself
[17:20] <seidos> i dunno, skateboarding probably wasn't his thing, which i don't blame him for
[17:20] <akk> I haven't had much luck getting kids to "imagine what's inside" even with software, e.g. "What are some of the things this program would need to do?" before showing them how it works.
[17:20] <seidos> it's not really mine either
[17:21] <seidos> it's just an excuse to draw and have fun
[17:21] <seidos> *maybe* get them curious enough about it to investigate for themselves
[17:21] <seidos> and, i have no other ideas :)
[17:21] <seidos> i got lucky with the dvd player, somebody left it outside
[17:21] <akk> I was just at a meeting last night planning this year's GetSET (tech camp for girls) and advocating for a PC dissection workshop.
[17:22] <akk> Get them to take computers apart and see there's nothing magic inside, and all they need is a screwdriver.
[17:22] <seidos> i think hardware is more fun in the beginning, less reading, more hands on
[17:22] <akk> A screwdriver and (more important) not being afraid of it.
[17:22] <sn9> i was taking stereos apart that way at the age of 3 despite people trying to get me to stop, and it never occurred to me not to
[17:23] <akk> They have a "build a radio" workshop already, which I guess works pretty well
[17:23] <seidos> i think i was still pooping my diapers at 3
[17:23] <akk> but when I see that on the list, I always wonder how many high school girls actually care about radios
[17:23] <seidos> i dunno, i don't really remember O_O
[17:23] <sn9> seidos: i was also
[17:23] <akk> and if something with blinking LEDs might be more fun for them.
[17:24] <seidos> haha, that is an awesome image sn9
[17:24] <sn9> hey, you brought it up
[17:24]  * seidos mumbles lousy miniature humans and their cuteness
[17:24] <seidos> i'm not judging, it could be an awesome cartoon
[17:25]  * seidos laughs
[17:25] <seidos> it's like "Fantastic Max"
[17:25] <seidos> "Fantastic sn9"
[17:25] <sn9> not exactly "Dexter's Lab"
[17:25] <seidos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZJfknWVIgY
[17:26] <seidos> wow, this was cooler when i was ~10
[17:27] <MarkDude> akk - have you read Cathy's - the unscary screwdriver?
[17:27] <seidos> the LED comment reminded me of this "Dominoux" thing i heard about
[17:28] <seidos> i've never been that into LEDs, except the LED flashlight i had.
[17:28] <seidos> i used to work with an EE guy that loved them though
[17:31] <akk> MarkDude: I have -- awesome article, it's always in the back of my mind thinking of these girls.
[17:31] <MarkDude> Me too
[17:31] <akk> Every girl should be lucky enough to have a mom like Cathy.
[17:32]  * MarkDude agrees
[17:32] <sn9> not enough luck to go around, alas
[17:33] <MarkDude> My niece is still wearing diapers- I plan to get her involved soon- as does her brother- he is 5
[17:33] <akk> One of the things I was telling them last night was how "Unlocking the Clubhouse" found so many girls who said they'd been admonished for trying to take apart the family computer
[17:33] <akk> ... when their brothers were encouraged to.
[17:35] <MarkDude> All of that stuff still seems weird to me- when I went to *Im ok - your ok * preschool- we were told girls can do stuff like this - just as well as boys
[17:36]  * MarkDude grew up very naive
[17:37]  * MarkDude wants to take the process FreeGeek uses for teaching computers- nd make a lesson or two- under Creative Commons
[17:39] <akk> I grew up naive too, because my parents told me that (girls can do anything boys can) and so if anybody else told me different I just didn't pay attention.
[17:41] <akk> Hmm, is there a site that collects lessons like that? How to teach people to take computers apart, to write a python program, to take a tape player apart etc.
[17:41] <akk> I guess there are probably too many such lessons and the list would be too long.
[17:41] <pleia2> there's http://p2pu.org/
[17:42] <akk> oh, yeah, heard about that a while back but it didn't have much. Now it's looking more promising
[17:42] <pleia2> jledbetter has been doing some stuff there
[17:42] <pleia2> (that's how I learned about it)
[17:42] <akk> though not really what Mark and I were talking about, guidelines for presenting an in-person class to kids or non-techie adults
[17:43] <pleia2> yeah
[17:43] <akk> it looks like it's more for semi-geeks to learn new software tech online
[17:43] <akk> (which is a good goal too)
[17:43] <pleia2> or Potable Water Treatment!
[17:44] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck and I are relaunching ubuntu-learning, which we'll be crafting some ubuntu courses for
[17:45] <pleia2> (one of which I hope to present at one of MarkDude's things someday)
[17:45] <akk> pleia2: GetSET has one workshop that includes water filtration (I forget what the rest of the session is, either solar oven or wave physics)
[17:45]  * akk would love to hear pleia2's presentation on water treatment
[17:46] <pleia2> haha, nah, that's just one of the non-programming p2pu.org classes :)
[17:47] <seidos> sn9: luck is so random, it's probably best to depend on right action anyway
[17:47] <seidos> "random"
[17:47] <seidos> i need to go outside
[17:49] <MarkDude> pleia2, apparently the internets are now reliable at Saxbys- it has been a real headache to tell folks to use City Halls wifi
[17:49] <pleia2> MarkDude: oh, good!
[17:49] <MarkDude> The WC library is super shiny new- and has state of the art accommodations.
[17:50]  * MarkDude is sorting out what days to do a release prty/geeknic
[17:50] <pleia2> I'm slightly concerned about Unity WRT writing Ubuntu materials
[17:50] <pleia2> I mostly grok gnome even though I don't use it, Unity is lost on me
[17:51] <MarkDude> Unity will rock for next release, IMHO
[17:51] <MarkDude> especially with a touchscreen- that is where the magic comes in
[17:52] <pleia2> if only you could use an onscreen keyboard to search the applications
[17:53] <pleia2> Mark says "11.04 was designed for desktops, not tablets"
[17:53] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/739812 makes me sad sad pleia2
[17:55] <seidos> i use docky, i am hesitant to use unity
[17:55] <seidos> i really thought it would have been easier to get used to the interface, but it really wasn't
[17:56] <seidos> i also noticed that i would prefer to just use a terminal to the synapse like omni search bar
[17:58] <akk> pleia2: I'm finding that even on android there are a lot of problems with using the soft keyboard. Soft keyboards don't get no respect!
[17:59] <pleia2> I sometimes had trouble with the onscreen keyboard on my g1, but my nexus one does fine (all it has is onscreen keyboard, sensitivity is better)
[17:59] <pleia2> I still prefer to just tether to my netbook if I have to type much though :) I hate onscreen keyboards
[18:00] <akk> The problem with it comes with javascript -- you can't implement things like autocomplete because onkey events don't fire.
[18:00] <pleia2> ah, yeah
[18:00] <seidos> pleia2: interesting link
[18:00] <akk> And you can't do anything with timeouts, because timeouts don't fire if the onscreen keyboard is visible
[18:00] <seidos> oh yeah, i wanted to assign myself a bug in launchpad, but apparently you have to be a member of a group to do that
[18:00] <akk> (they just batch up and then all fire at once when you dismiss the keyboard, whose great idea was that?)
[18:01] <seidos> are there even any developers using ubuntu on tablets?
[18:02] <seidos> i wonder what tablet-pc cm-t is using
[18:07] <jdeslip> pleia2: Even if the on-screen keyboard issue is solved, Ubuntu on tablets is going to be a rough experience at best.
[18:08] <pleia2> jdeslip: yeah, but the on-screen issue is a bit of a deal killer
[18:09] <jdeslip> For it to really compete with the Android/iOS experience they pretty much need to write things from scratch
[18:09] <jdeslip> Like the close minimize maximize buttons on windows for example
[18:09] <MarkDude> The keyboard thing has had some hassles in a few areas for Unity
[18:10] <jdeslip> or even the idea of windows and the desktop don't make much sense on tablet.
[18:10] <jdeslip> much better if windows are just always full screen
[18:11] <jdeslip> And basically no piece of software for Ubuntu is optimized in any way for touch :/
[18:11] <akk> Depends on the tablet. Fullscreen doesn't make so much sense on a 10" tablet, but certainly does on a 5".
[18:13] <seidos> apparently someone is using something called cellwriter jdeslip
[18:14] <seidos> does anyone here even have a tablet?  i remember drew got an older toshiba that seemed quite nice
[18:14] <jdeslip> Don't get me wrong, I think you can put Ubuntu on a tablet and people will buy it / use it.  But, you gotta "really" love Ubuntu to justify using it compared to Android/iOS.  And the differential between those and Ubuntu is growing, not shrinking with time :/
[18:14] <akk> I have a 5" android tablet, but that's not the sort of hardware anyone is targeting right now.
[18:15] <jdeslip> seidos: I have a 10" in Android tablet.  And used to have a thinkpad "tablet" with Ubuntu back in the day.
[18:15] <akk> Agree with jdeslip. Ubuntu on tablets might compete with things like meego, where there aren't many apps yet.
[18:15] <jdeslip> There was one pdf highlighting/annotating app that was good for Ubuntu back then.
[18:15] <seidos> it could compete, but hardware vendors would have to get behind it
[18:15] <seidos> it's a hardware problem :)
[18:15] <jdeslip> No, it is a software problem.
[18:16] <seidos> i was being dopey, it's both
[18:16] <jdeslip> You can put Ubuntu on tablets now... The experience sucks
[18:16] <akk> app selection is definitely part of the problem, even if hardware drivers work flawlessly
[18:17] <seidos> what i'm saying is if there is no specific tablet targeted for ubuntu, it is pretty much pointless working on the code
[18:17] <akk> Personally I'd prefer something as flexible as ubuntu, but that's only because I'm a dev and can write my own apps if I need to. :)
[18:17] <akk> and don't care about commercial apps and DRM content and such
[18:17] <jdeslip> akk: Ya, I think a Meego like effort would really be necessary... But, I don't see Ubuntu doing that.  And Meego itself is basically dead.  But, you basically need to completely redo the entire interface ontop of X.
[18:17] <seidos> the only reason i'd get a tablet is if i could use it to draw and take notes...otherwise, notebook is a better tool
[18:19] <akk> jdeslip: There hasn't been anywhere near enough effort put into meego, and probably never will be. Ubuntu could equal that pretty easily with the momentum and devs it already has.
[18:19] <akk> But that wouldn't get it anywhere near android/ios.
[18:20] <akk> I got my tablet for 1. feed reading 2. ebook reading 3. mapping (but I still haven't found an offline mapping app that works)
[18:20] <akk> It's definitely not a replacement for a computer with a keyboard.
[18:21] <seidos> yeah, i can see how leisurely reading might work
[18:21] <seidos> i mean, i can basically do all that with a notebook, except i can't recline
[18:22] <seidos> i'm sure it's only a matter of time though before a drawing killerapp comes out for tablets
[18:22] <akk> A notebook is much much (much) bigger to carry around, takes up a lot of desk space and can't be held that easily in a lot of positions.
[18:22] <jdeslip> Eee pad transformer might be a good replacement: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/asus-eee-pad-transformer-goes-on-sale-in-us-immediately-sells-o/
[18:22] <seidos> i have a 13"
[18:22] <seidos> i'm not sure i would even call a 17" a "notebook" :|
[18:23] <akk> I have an 11". I carry it if I know for sure I'm going somewhere where I'm going to need a computer.
[18:23] <akk> I don't carry it casually, when I'm going to the supermarket or whatever.
[18:23] <seidos> i've never needed a computer @ the supermarket
[18:23] <seidos> i'm very "low tech"
[18:23] <akk> It's great to have an e-reader when you're standing in a long line.
[18:24] <seidos> the lines aren't that long here
[18:24] <akk> Or if you have to wait for something (a bus, someone who's gone to check on something and will be back in a few minutes)
[18:24] <seidos> *and* i frequently don't go shopping alone
[18:24] <akk> You never ever have to stand in a long line?
[18:24] <akk> Wow, I want that life.
[18:25] <seidos> i never said i have never stood in a long line
[18:25] <seidos> the longest lines are @ Disneyland
[18:25] <akk> Even going to Ubuntu Hours, I have to wait after ordering a coffee before it's ready.
[18:25] <akk> And sometimes in line to order it.
[18:25] <seidos> i bring a can of coke to ubuntu hours
[18:26] <seidos> i like cola more than coffee :|
[18:26] <akk> We meet in a coffeehouse -- we're using their space and their network, so it's only polite to order something.
[18:26] <akk> (obviously if you don't like anything they sell, that's different)
[18:26] <seidos> i bought a green tea @ a starbucks the other day, but there really wasn't a line
[18:26] <akk> Anyway, if you never have to wait for anything, ignore what I said. I find I do have to wait, and it's nice to have something to read during that time.
[18:27] <seidos> i even had time to talk to the guy at the counter a little
[18:28] <seidos> well, i do wait for things sometimes, it just usually isn't long enough to warrant whipping out a device
[18:28] <seidos> but maybe if i had a device i would
[18:48] <jdeslip> pleia2: How is Chrome-OS coming along these days on the CR-48?  It must be about ready to launch for real right?
[18:48] <sn9> cr-48?
[18:48] <pleia2> jdeslip: good good, lots of updates lately
[18:48]  * jdeslip wants to get my dad some sort of super-simple Chrome-OS netbook
[18:48] <jdeslip> pleia2: anything notable?
[18:49] <pleia2> jdeslip: not that I can tell, but I havne't looked very hard :)
[18:54] <MarkDude> "Ask the Ubuntu Community Manager" LIVE in a few minutes http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[18:55] <seidos> jdeslip: there isn't something from partimus or system76 that your dad would like?
[18:55] <seidos> how about a nettop
[18:56] <seidos> *charlie chaplin eye brow raise*
[18:56] <sn9> i think software is what's in question here
[18:57] <sn9> hardware tends to be relatively generic in comparison
[19:01] <seidos> yeah, there probably isn't anything that comes with a remote control
[19:01] <seidos> my dad could use one of those, he can't seemlessly watch internet content on his lcd television
[19:01] <seidos> which is just a shame
[19:02] <seidos> i got it working for him, but it really isn't easy enough for him to care
[19:03] <seidos> the worse part about it is the t.v. he has is an h.p., unfortunately it has proprietary software on it, and no documentation on how to get non-proprietary software installed on it
[19:03] <sn9> software installation on a tv? wha?
[19:05] <seidos> not so standard huh?
[19:06] <seidos> the line between t.v. and computer with minotaur is getting fuzzier and fuzzier
[19:08] <crashsystems> I've always wanted a minotaur with my computer
[19:21] <seidos> hehe
[19:21] <seidos> i think i always wanted a Wizard
[19:23] <crashsystems> :D
[19:26] <jdeslip> seidos: I think you mean ZaReason.  He is currently using an Ubuntu machine.  But, all he does is log-in, load chrome for his email and turn it off.  All the other possibilities confuse him ;)
[19:27] <jdeslip> This is why Chrome-OS would be great for him :)
[19:32] <smileysadman> jdeslip: T_T ^_^
[19:41] <pleia2> btw, since someone asked in my blog, no the Dining out for Life event at thirsty bear tomorrow shouldn't impact us, we're hanging out in the open seating area near the bar, that's all in the proper sit down part
[19:41]  * pleia2 replied in blog too
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: ping
[19:45] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: pong
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yay!
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> About the Ubuntu training..
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> Now that the release cycle is done... and before I get too involved into +1
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> This would be a fun time to start working on it.
[19:46] <pleia2> woo
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:47] <pleia2> want to have a meeting some evening this week?
[19:47] <pleia2> tonight is free for me
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> Sure! AFAIK it's free here.
[19:47] <pleia2> ok, I'm free from 5PM on
[19:48] <pleia2> maybe 5:30, I need to take a quick break from my desk :)
[19:48] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[19:48] <sn9> the rest of the time, proprietary
[19:48] <DarkwingDuck> You still have my mobile #?
[19:50] <pleia2> who knows, PM it to me
[20:11] <seidos> Keane
[20:11] <seidos> keen
[20:56] <MarkDude> http://xobnigadgethack.eventbrite.com/ Pre-Google I/O Mini Gadget Hack **Featuring Hack Judges Arrington, Smarr and Lee** May 9- SF
[20:57] <akk> You're finding all the cool events, MarkDude .. thx for the alerts!
[20:58] <MarkDude> :)
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