[00:45] <itnet7> bluebomber: we were doing a lot of activities. Install Fests, Bug Jams, Ubuntu Hours, Presentations at Linux Shows.
[00:46] <itnet7> We have a couple of events upcoming and that is what chaynie was planning to discuss
[00:56] <the_intrepid_cha> phew.
[00:56] <itnet7> :-)
[00:57] <X-Man> hello everyone
[00:57] <bluebomber> Cool, I'm here.
[00:57] <itnet7> Hey there X-Man !
[00:57] <bluebomber> Hi, X-Man!
[00:57] <itnet7> Hello again bluebomber !
[00:58] <chaynie_> stupid character limit.
[00:58] <itnet7> chaynie_: do you know how to use mootbot?
[00:58]  * chaynie_ nods
[00:58] <itnet7> sweet!
[00:58] <chaynie_> #startmeeting
[00:58] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 23:58. The chair is chaynie_.
[00:58] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:59] <chaynie_> We'll give everyone a couple more minutes, but if you're already here, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself.
[01:00] <munz> hey all
[01:00] <bluebomber> My name is Mike, and I'm a grad student in the Department of Computer Science & Engineering at the University of South Florida. Good evening, everyone.
[01:00] <itnet7> Hey there munz
[01:01] <itnet7> Welcome Aboard bluebomber !
[01:01] <chaynie_> bluebomber: Hi mike, nice to meet you!
[01:01] <munz> hey itnet7 
[01:01] <X-Man> I'm Chris from Tallahassee, evening everyone
[01:02] <bluebomber> Likewise, Chaynie. Thanks, itnet7.
[01:02] <chaynie_> X-Man: Hello, chris, glad you could join us!
[01:03] <chaynie_> Right, let's go ahead and get this thing started.
[01:03] <bluebomber> [VOTE] yes.
[01:03] <Mootbot-UK> bluebomber, Only the meeting chair can do that
[01:04] <itnet7> lol
[01:04] <chaynie_> [TOPIC] Natty Narwhal Release Parties
[01:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Natty Narwhal Release Parties 
[01:04] <itnet7> Woohoo!!
[01:04] <chaynie_> Ok, so far, we've got two release parties planned for this weekend. One in Orlando, and the other one in Viera
[01:05] <chaynie_> I think, correct me if I'm wrong, itnet7.
[01:05] <bluebomber> Sounds great! I've only seen the Orlando one mentioned.
[01:05] <itnet7> Yes!
[01:05] <chaynie_> bluebomber: I think so far, only the Orlando party has been officially registered with the loco-directory site.
[01:06] <itnet7> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/811/detail/
[01:06] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/811/detail/ 
[01:06] <itnet7> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/925/detail/
[01:06] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/925/detail/ 
[01:06] <chaynie_> itnet7: Thanks! You beat me to it!
[01:07] <itnet7> I actually added the Viera party after Lupine received confirmation that we had the venue
[01:07] <chaynie_> The above links are for both release parties.
[01:07] <chaynie_> If you planning to attend, please add yourself to the guest list, so we have an idea of how many people are coming.
[01:08] <bluebomber> I'm coming, but delaying registering until I hear back with people who plan to ride with me :-(.
[01:08] <bluebomber> I'll register tonight, I'm sure.
[01:08] <itnet7> Nice bluebomber !!
[01:09] <chaynie_> itnet7:  will you have any swag to hand out, or did we not think of it in time?
[01:09] <itnet7> chaynie_: I think that chuck is also going to come
[01:10] <itnet7> We might have a couple of things to give away! Probably not a whole lot though
[01:10] <munz> i'll be coming and bringing 2 peeps
[01:10] <itnet7> Cool munz
[01:10] <chaynie_> itnet7: cool. pak33m added himself to the list, but I've not talked to him.
[01:11] <itnet7> Cool, It will be good to see everyone again, I know that pak33m has been really busy!
[01:12] <cjohnston> I'm working Saturday.. And Panera is just outside my coverage area
[01:12] <munz> what normaly goes on at the launch party?
[01:12] <munz> bring laptops etc? anything else?
[01:12] <chaynie_> cjohnston: if we replaced you with a cardboard cutout for a couple hours, would anyone notice?
[01:13] <bluebomber> Good question. Will this be like a meet-&-greet? What's the itinerary?
[01:13] <itnet7> cjohnston: that stinks, would have been good to see you!
[01:13] <itnet7> chaynie_: we can gimp him into photos!
[01:13] <cjohnston> chaynie_: not really
[01:13] <mhall119> chaynie_: what the heck? it's not 0100UTC yet
[01:13] <cjohnston> itnet7: I'm prolly less than 5 miles away
[01:13] <itnet7> bluebomber: Yes, kind of like a meet and greet, 
[01:13] <chaynie_> munz, bluebomber: It's a meet & greet, install fest, and general hangout with fellow ubuntu users.
[01:14] <chaynie_> mhall119: itnet7 posted it as 8pm
[01:14] <mhall119> :(
[01:14] <itnet7> mhall119: We have usually held the meetings around 8:00, It's my bad sorry
[01:15] <mhall119> okay, carry on I'll be in and out, cooking dinner
[01:15]  * itnet7 wishes the LD could allow us to put our local time for local events
[01:15] <chaynie_> [ACTION] come to a consensus on the actual meeting time.
[01:15] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  come to a consensus on the actual meeting time. 
[01:15] <bluebomber> For what it's worth, it would probably double the size of our party if it were hosted later.
[01:15] <bluebomber> "Our" being mine.
[01:15] <itnet7> bluebomber: the release party? or the meeting?
[01:15] <bluebomber> I have a couple friends attending the Rays game, another a soccer tournament, etc.
[01:15] <bluebomber> Oh, sorry, I meant the Panera event.
[01:15] <chaynie_> bluebomber: we've reserved the time, but we usually go late.
[01:15] <mhall119> itnet7: there's a bug for it already, but it's gonna require a fair bit of refactoring
[01:15] <bluebomber> On Saturday.
[01:16] <chaynie_> since mhall119 brought it up, would 8 or 9pm work better for most people?
[01:16] <bluebomber> For what are we trying to achieve a consensus? Another meeting before the release party?
[01:17] <mhall119> 9pm
[01:17] <itnet7> I wouldn't mind 9pm either
[01:17] <itnet7> X-Man: ? bluebomber ?
[01:17] <itnet7> dantalizing: ?
[01:17] <chaynie_> bluebomber: Historically, we've always held meetings @ 8pm.
[01:17] <itnet7> :-)
[01:17] <chaynie_> itnet7: no one cares what dantalizing thinks.
[01:18] <itnet7> chaynie_: :-(
[01:18] <itnet7> :-)
[01:18] <bluebomber> I have no preference between 8 and 9. :)
[01:18]  * chaynie_ kids.
[01:18]  * mhall119 cares what dantalizing thinks
[01:18] <itnet7> Okay, cool, let's go with 9 then!!
[01:18] <itnet7> mhall119: I secretly do too, just don't tell him
[01:18] <mhall119> I'd be happy if it just wasn't changed multiple times the dayof
[01:18] <chaynie_> [AGREED] Hold future meetings at 9pm
[01:18] <Mootbot-UK> AGREED received:  Hold future meetings at 9pm 
[01:19] <X-Man> 9:00 works for me
[01:19] <itnet7> mhall119: agreed
[01:19] <itnet7> It won't happen again, I will pay attention to where it says UTC in the future
[01:19] <itnet7> I saw Wednesday
[01:20] <itnet7> and was trying to be helpful, So I messed it up
[01:20] <chaynie_> mhall119, itnet7: let's blame coordinated universal time and be done with it.
[01:20] <itnet7> sorry
[01:20] <dantalizing> 9pm ftw
[01:20] <itnet7> Sweet!!!
[01:20] <mhall119> chaynie_: +1
[01:20] <itnet7> dantalizing: :-)
[01:21] <chaynie_> ok, back to the task at hand, does anyone have any questions/concerns about the Orlando release party?
[01:21] <chaynie_> they'll have wifi, fyi.
[01:21] <mhall119> how about power?
[01:22] <dantalizing> we've run squids around in that place before
[01:22] <chaynie_> I can probably bring a couple strips, but dantalizing is correct.
[01:22] <itnet7> We will bring some power strips
[01:22] <itnet7> too
[01:22] <itnet7> Yeah!
[01:22] <chaynie_> though it would be easier if everyone brings what they need.
[01:23] <mhall119> itnet7: do we have any swag?
[01:23] <itnet7> Sure!
[01:23] <itnet7> Not too much
[01:23] <itnet7> I will go through and doublecheck
[01:23] <mhall119> I think I have a sheet or two of stickers if I can find them
[01:23] <mhall119> the new logo ones
[01:23] <itnet7> Nice!!
[01:23] <munz> stickers :)
[01:23] <dantalizing> sry guests visting .. afk
[01:23] <chaynie_> mhall119: didn't they start shipping swag to you when you joined the cabal?
[01:23] <mhall119> chaynie_: that's how I got the stickers
[01:23] <itnet7> I was thinking of giving out some of the band we have left over from UDS
[01:23] <itnet7> the Natty
[01:23] <itnet7> ones
[01:24] <mhall119> itnet7: that's be cool, since it's the right release
[01:24] <itnet7> Sure
[01:24] <mhall119> I got a mousepad too we can give away, since I have a laptop
[01:25] <itnet7> I thought about blogging about the bands and giving 10 away to the first 14 teams that send me a snail mail address or something
[01:25] <itnet7> I have a copy of the 5th Edition Ubuntu Book
[01:25] <mhall119> itnet7: I say we just give them away to random people at Panera
[01:26] <chaynie_> itnet7: Do you want to give a quick speel about the Viera release party?
[01:26] <itnet7> We could do that too!! They might not appreciate it if we wrestle them to ground and make them wear it though!
[01:26] <itnet7> j/k
[01:26] <itnet7> Sure
[01:26] <mhall119> itnet7: only one way to find out
[01:26] <bluebomber> Who wouldn't appreciate a quick wrestle and banding with their half turkey sandwich?
[01:26] <itnet7> This is going to be the second release party that we are hosting at the Pizza Gallery at the Avenues of Melbourne
[01:26] <Chloric> evening!
[01:27] <itnet7> They have a really cool back room off to the side
[01:27] <bluebomber> Hi, Chloric.
[01:27] <Chloric> hey!
[01:27] <itnet7> that has a projector and French Doors that we can close in case the bar area is noisy
[01:27] <Chloric> Itnet! its been a loooooooooong time
[01:28] <itnet7> I have invited the SpaceCoast Linux Users Group, The Melbourne LUG, and the Brevard Group Linux Sig
[01:28] <itnet7> hey there Chloric !!
[01:28] <itnet7> we Should have plenty of powerstrips 
[01:28] <itnet7> and their wifi Rocks!
[01:28] <itnet7> That's about all I can think of!!
[01:29] <bluebomber> How late do you estimate the parties will last?
[01:29] <itnet7> bluebomber: viera is scheduled from 6 - 9 pm
[01:29] <chaynie_> bluebomber: probably until 4-5pm.
[01:31] <itnet7> Oh, I think I forgot to mention, I did request our CD's. They won't be hear in time for this weekend
[01:31] <bluebomber> What CDs will you get and how many?
[01:31] <itnet7> but if anyone is planning to still add a Natty Release party for their area and are planning to do it next weekend, we might have them by like Thursday
[01:32] <Chloric> Govatent and I might have a sporadic one
[01:32] <itnet7> Ubuntu Natty I'm not sure of the quantity
[01:32] <bluebomber> Coincidentally we are planning a Natty release party at USF.
[01:32] <itnet7> bluebomber: Sweet!!
[01:32] <bluebomber> GNOME, then? 32bit?
[01:32] <itnet7> zoopster: might be able to help you with it if he has the time
[01:33] <itnet7> bluebomber: Well, usually it was Gnome/KDE/Server
[01:33] <itnet7> 32 bit
[01:33] <itnet7> Desktop for Gnome/Unity
[01:33] <itnet7> and KDE
[01:33] <itnet7> and I think 64 bit server
[01:33] <bluebomber> I see. Thanks.
[01:34] <zoopster> I can post the USF release party on the meetup group
[01:34] <itnet7> What we usually do is get the release by bit torrent the day it comes out, and create usb install disks
[01:34] <itnet7> zoopster: bluebomber has recently joined the team
[01:35] <bluebomber> I'm new! :)
[01:35] <itnet7> bluebomber: if zoopster posts it to the meetup group you might get between 15 - 20 other people
[01:36] <munz> hey zoopster 
[01:36] <zoopster> munz: hey chris
[01:36] <itnet7> Well Chloric even if it's only you and govatent, can you please add it to the LoCo Directory, and we can help promote it
[01:37] <bluebomber> Hmmm, ok. I'll see what we can do about public events. This would be for a local USF organization chapter. We can definitely discuss in coming days.
[01:38] <chaynie_> Ok, is there anything else anyone wants to discuss before we wrap this puppy up?
[01:38] <itnet7> bluebomber: No Problem
[01:41] <itnet7> chaynie_: sounds good for the most part if anyone wants to discuss anything else we can do it without Mootbot-UK !
[01:41] <chaynie_> itnet7: Alright, then.
[01:41] <zoopster> having another balloon launch on 29 April if anyone is inclined to help
[01:41] <itnet7> Looking forward to coming to Panera! :-)
[01:41] <chaynie_> Thanks for coming everyone. See you at the release parties!
[01:41] <zoopster> not ubuntu related
[01:41] <chaynie_> #endmeeting
[01:41] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 00:41.
[01:42] <itnet7> zoopster: I wish I could, but I doubt I will be able to
[01:42] <bluebomber> Balloon launch?
[01:43] <zoopster> bluebomber: look at questforstars.com
[01:47] <bluebomber> OK.
[01:48] <munz> whats it looking like zoopster time location wise?
[01:51] <bluebomber> Has anyone been to the Florida Linux Show?
[01:53] <munz> no u?
[01:53] <Chloric> i think govatent went
[01:53] <bluebomber> Nope. I'm trying to see when it is. The site's up but no mention of date/time.
[01:55] <zoopster> bluebomber: it's in October I'm told
[01:56] <zoopster> bluebomber: oct 28 in orlando
[01:56] <zoopster> and I've presented at it both times
[01:56] <zoopster> munz: current models show deltona
[01:57] <zoopster> or south daytona
[01:57] <zoopster> munz: it keeps changing
[02:02] <bluebomber> Thanks, zoopster.
[02:02] <zoopster> bluebomber: sure thing
[02:04] <bluebomber> I'm clocking out for today. I'll reconnect later and continue networking with you all (definitely be back for the meeting tomorrow night). Thanks for the welcome and information.
[02:05] <mhall119> zoopster: is there gonna be another FLS this october?
[02:05] <mhall119> Brian was talking about trying to organize a community show
[02:05] <munz> zoopster, cool whats the time line?
[02:06] <zoopster> mhall119: according to Rod who texted me back in Feb...yes 28 Oct
[02:06] <mhall119> hmmm, when is UDS-P going to be?
[02:06] <zoopster> mhall119: and I cannot remember the guys name, but there is something else trying to something around uds
[02:07] <zoopster> mhall119: 20-24 Oct I think
[02:07] <zoopster> munz: we set it off at 2:45p and expect it to land around 5p sometime
[02:07] <itnet7> mhall119: fossetcon
[02:07] <mhall119> that's not a M-F
[02:07] <itnet7> ping Bryanstein 
[02:08] <zoopster> then it's 24-28 Oct
[02:08] <munz> cool, i should be around to help :)
[02:08] <zoopster> munz: awesome
[02:08] <itnet7> mhall119: Bryanstein is putting it together
[02:08] <itnet7> afaik
[02:08] <mhall119> itnet7: FLS or the community show?
[02:08] <zoopster> that's it...Bryan!
[02:09] <itnet7> the community show
[02:09] <itnet7> yup
[02:09] <mhall119> awesome
[02:09] <itnet7> right zoopster 
[02:09] <zoopster> could not remember his name
[02:16] <itnet7> I am not sure whether or not it's totally live.... http://fossetcon.org/
[02:30] <mhall119> chaynie: at least we've amused all of Facebook today
[14:59] <chaynie> mhall119: Apparently so. We should take our show on the road.
[16:24] <DammitJim> why is rsync over ssh so slow? I'm only getting about 1.1Mbps!!!
[16:24] <mhall119> because it's having to encrypt it
[16:25] <DammitJim> would an rsync server be much faster?
[16:25] <mhall119> possibly
[16:25] <mhall119> is it one big file or lots of smaller ones?
[16:26] <DammitJim> different sizes... anything from config files to 10GB videos
[16:29] <mhall119> it could be disk i/o slowing you down then
[16:29] <DammitJim> I'm doing this on a buffalo linkstation running debian
[16:30] <mhall119> rsync has to compare the files looking for differences
[16:31] <maxolasersquad> mhall119: Doesn't rsync use the timestamp and filesize to do the compare?
[16:36] <mhall119> maxolasersquad: hmmm, I thought it would do a diff and only transfer what's different
[16:50] <DammitJim> it depends on what switch you give it... but normally it's used by comparing the files and if they are newer, then it overwrites them
[18:04] <maxolasersquad> Python question, does it make sense to have a module that has two components, a class defining connections, and a function that returns a collection of saved connection?
[18:04] <maxolasersquad> And have the module be collection.py
[18:07] <maxolasersquad> More specifically, does that sound like a sound way of providing an interface into connections?
[18:07] <maxolasersquad> s/collection/connection
[18:08] <chaynie> maxolasersquad: there is a couple schools of thought on this.
[18:08] <chaynie> err, there are.
[18:09] <chaynie> On one side, advocates of dynamic/duck-typing argue against the use of explict interfaces.
[18:10] <chaynie> While proponents of static typing insist that correctly and explicitly defined interfaces reduce run-time errors.
[18:12] <chaynie> Python, being the snazzy dyanmic language that it is, tends to favor the dynamic model, wherein, if an object responds correctly to all of the calls required by an interface, than it can be said to implement that interface, even if it's not explictly doing so.
[18:13] <maxolasersquad> I need for users to define database connection parameters, and for interfaces to pull those parameters out and be able to establish connections with them.
[18:14] <maxolasersquad> I have a Connections class for defining a db connection, and can store them in seahorse.
[18:15] <maxolasersquad> I then have a function that returns a collection of stored connection objects.
[18:15] <chaynie> doesn't sound too bad.
[18:16] <chaynie> but isn't seahorse for storing encryption data?
[18:16] <maxolasersquad> I then have a GTK app that displays the connections in a tree.  They don't actually do anything yet, but my next step is that expanding a tree node will show the db objects under that connection.
[18:16] <maxolasersquad> yes, I store user/pass and sid/server
[18:16] <maxolasersquad> I use seahorse so I can store the password encrypted.
[18:16] <maxolasersquad> Just like Nautilus does for ssh, smb, ftp, etc. connections.
[18:17] <chaynie> maxolasersquad: i don't see any problem so far.
[18:18] <maxolasersquad> Ok.  I just don't know when my C upbringing is blinding me from seeing the Python way. :)
[19:43] <chaynie> maxolasersquad: the rule of thumb is when it feels as painful as it would be to do the same thing in C, you should probably rethink it.
[20:59] <pete_> Hi all! Anybody in here know anything about recovering a open office spreadsheet?
[21:03] <maxolasersquad> pete_: To the best of my knowledge, if the autorecovery doesn't come up when you run OO, then there is not recovering it.
[21:04] <pete_> I just spent 20 hours entering in inventory items... and then my computer froze up and I had to kill the power... I tried to open the spread sheet and it did the auto recovery thing, but it opened it as a writer document and obliterated all of my data
[21:05] <pete_> I don't want to have to re-enter all this data
[21:05] <maxolasersquad> So your data is in the writer document?
[21:06] <pete_> yeah, but it is all "#####", 
[21:06] <pete_> I was on my way to making a back up when all this went down
[21:07] <maxolasersquad> Where you saving along the way?
[21:07] <pete_> is there a way that I could recover a previous version?
[21:07] <pete_> yeah I saved after each set of items I entered... I saved 100 times
[21:07] <maxolasersquad> Save your "recovered" version elsewhere, and then try to reopen.
[21:08] <pete_> but only in one location
[21:08] <maxolasersquad> I don't think when you recover that it overwrites the last version until you manually save over it.
[21:09] <pete_> For some reason it converted it to a writer doc and auto saved it... I think I accidentally opened it in writer and recovered it there
[21:10] <pete_> Can I send the file to somebody and see if they can un screw it?
[21:10] <maxolasersquad> Is the .ods file still on your hard drive.
[21:10] <pete_> yes
[21:11] <maxolasersquad> Spreadsheets or .ods and documents are .odt
[21:11] <maxolasersquad> Do you have both a .ods and .odt, or just an .ods that only opens in writer?
[21:11] <pete_> .ods, but everytime I try to open it with spread sheet it opens in writer
[21:12] <maxolasersquad> Craziness.
[21:12] <pete_> .ods , and it only opens in writer
[21:12] <maxolasersquad> You can send it to me and I'll see if there's anything I can do, though I'm certainly no expert.
[21:12] <maxolasersquad> My address is my hande @gmail.com
[21:13] <pete_> hande@gmail.com?
[21:13] <maxolasersquad> my handle is maxolasersquad
[21:13] <maxolasersquad> then @gmail.com
[21:13] <pete_> ok
[21:15] <pete_> should be there
[21:16] <maxolasersquad> got it
[21:16] <pete_> cool
[21:18] <maxolasersquad> the document looks pretty far gone to me.
[21:19] <maxolasersquad> It was opening in Calc for me, but it was just one cell with binary data.
[21:19] <maxolasersquad> And some text defining the XML layouts.
[21:19] <pete_> $#&#%^^%*$*%$&% Rarrrr... Ok, Thanks... I guess I have to redo it for free....Customer will not be pleased
[21:20] <maxolasersquad> This is the only time I've heard of the autorecovery messing up a document, but probably not the first time its actually happened.
[21:21] <pete_> I was about to move it to my google docs and be done with it... I'm going to cry a little now
[21:23] <maxolasersquad> :(
[21:26] <pete_> I'm going to do it better this time... I just told the boss... he was almost cool with my failure... I only have to Sepaku a little bit
[21:31] <pete_> Thank all for the help... later
[22:44] <madbovine> chatty group
[22:47] <madbovine> is there anyone actually here?
[22:48] <madbovine> guess not
[23:13] <bluebomber> I'm sorta here, madbovine who left.