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jjessewow marble size hail00:02
greg-gjjesse: right now for you?00:02
jjesseearlier00:05
jjessetornado warning just cleared00:05
_stink_dang00:05
greg-gwow00:05
jjesselooks like another storm comming00:05
jjesseeating dinner in the basement :)00:06
greg-gfun fun00:06
jjessehttp://picplz.com/user/jjesse/pic/63ttp/00:06
jjessehttp://picplz.com/user/jjesse/pic/63ttb/00:07
snap-lGood evening03:30
jjesseyes it is03:30
snap-lInstalling Natty onto a USB stick proper instead of using it as an install disc03:31
snap-lWe'll see how this works03:31
jjessegood luck?03:31
snap-lWondering if it'll wear out the key sooner03:31
greg-g:)03:31
snap-lOK, that scrollbar in Unity is annoying as fuck04:28
_stink_haha04:29
_stink_man, this channel does not make me want to try unity.04:30
snap-lThere's some good things, and some "did you really think this shit through" decisions04:32
snap-llike modal dialogs. I don't think anyone thought that throug04:32
snap-lh04:32
snap-lWhomever made some of the more overriding user interface decisions is a perverse person04:34
snap-lThere's things that just don't make any damn sense04:34
=== lotia-away is now known as lotia
snap-lAnyone having trouble with gwibber under Natty?13:34
wolfgerNope. A simple "sudo apt-get install choqok" fixed it. :-)13:35
rick_h__lol13:37
rick_h__what is this gwibber thing?13:37
brouschi can't read choqok without grinning like a schoolboy13:39
wolfgercan you be more specific about your trouble? I opened a ticket at one point for not being able to sign up to identica until after I signed up to twitter13:39
wolfgerotherwise, it worked as well as Gwibber ever did.13:39
rick_h__I think it's just called "desktopcouch fail!"13:39
rick_h__and today is lose faith in humanity day, it has so been declared13:51
rick_h__widox: _stink_ snap-l n0p jcastro 7pm edition of CHC tonight13:51
wolfgerdamn. I didn't know i was supposed to hold onto it until today13:51
rick_h__sorry, n0p is probably off to AA CHC now, need to take him off the list13:52
snap-lI wolfger Blergh13:54
widoxrick_h__: w00t, planning on it13:54
snap-lWow, I think I need more coffee13:54
snap-lrick_h__: PLanning on being there13:54
snap-lJim MacQuillan might be there as well13:55
rick_h__awesome13:55
snap-lBlazeix: CHC tonight! 7pm edition13:55
rick_h__oops, knew I was going to miss someone13:55
snap-lI think the install that I did horked the USB key13:56
snap-lcouldn't keep up with the write traffic13:56
rick_h__http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/apple-finally-responds-to-location-data-tracking-kerfuffle/13:56
snap-land once it got an error, bam13:56
* wolfger wonders what langauge snap-l was speaking there...13:56
rick_h__yea, it's where you find out there are differences in USB sticks13:56
snap-lI'm installing to a SD card now13:56
snap-lWe'll see if that works any better.13:56
brouschahcrap. i forgot to post the west mi natty party13:57
snap-lbrousch: Too late. You're coming to PEnguicon now13:57
rick_h__snap-l: yea, I need the details of what time I need there13:57
rick_h__so I can get the baby sitter here on time13:57
rick_h__officially 7pm, should I be heading down early?13:57
snap-lHead down a little early13:57
snap-lenough to get through registration and all13:58
brouschnow i've got parents coming up on friday and a funeral on saturday. i couldn't make pcon even if it wasn't too scary13:58
snap-lbrousch: Bring parents13:58
snap-lThat's when you find out all sorts of interesting about them. ;)13:59
snap-l"I have one just like that at home"13:59
wolfgerI don't think brousch could handle knowing that his parents are furries XD14:05
snap-lwolfger: I don't think any of us could14:06
wolfgerwusses, the lot of you14:06
snap-land if you can, THAT'S GREAT. Please keep it to yourself. :)14:06
tjagodaIf I send this song along with my request for a firewall which can understand IPv6, nobody can refuse me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba014:07
* wolfger keeps it to himself, at snap-l's request14:07
* snap-l makes a quick mental note not to give wolfger my parent's phone number.14:08
rick_h__krondor: CHC long 7pm edition tonight fyi14:10
brouschwtf. the venue form for the loco meeting wants the latitude and longitude of the location14:10
tjagodaDo you not navigate via sextent?14:11
tjagoda=P14:11
krondorrick_h__:  might be doable, Emily kept me away from the android meetup till late (9 pm) because she got stuck in the OR so I have some guilt to leverage14:11
snap-lbrousch: Yeah, that form is a little wonky14:11
snap-lAnd the meeting form that requires your meeting in UTC traps me up a lot14:12
brouschit asked for the time zone of the meeting14:13
rick_h__krondor: cool, well uncool, but also cool14:15
_stink_wow, the leading story on both Marketplace Money *and* the BBC World News Hour on NPR this morning was the Sony data breach14:20
rick_h__thank goodness14:21
rick_h__I was pissed at the TNT podcast, they really dropped the ball on it14:21
tjagodaDoes anybody else consider Sony an evil corporation, or is that just me?14:22
rick_h__I've always thought they were stupid, not sure on evikl14:22
rick_h__memorystick seems stupid vs evil14:23
rick_h__however, just about any large corporation gets evil points, so I guess14:23
brouschsony is on my evil list. has been since the rootkit thing14:23
rick_h__yea, that was a big stupid evil14:24
tjagodaThey're also massively proprietary14:24
krondorsony == evil to me.  ps3 linux retraction, hardware issues and proprietary for proprietary's sake formats, the death of sega (not that sega didn't help them at it)14:26
rick_h__I do feel bad for those sysadmins "You're going to be responsible for a system with 70million people worth of personal info"14:27
jjesseisn't the bigger proble mthe information was stored in a way that could be taken out?  shouldn't they have encrypted it somehow?14:27
krondorsucks when execs at your company stirs the ire of hacker groups and then you're left to pick up the fallout.14:28
rick_h__yea, I wish there were more tech details14:28
rick_h__I mean, the gawker thing was just morons14:28
rick_h__but there's due diligence and things that go beyond that14:28
rick_h__encrypting every bit of data you possess isn't going to be something people do14:28
krondorI can see the PSN designers saying; " I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."14:29
krondorMr. Bolton that is not a trivial detail14:29
rick_h__heh14:29
rick_h__that's what I go thinking, I don't think I could be in a job with that much data/responsibility14:29
rick_h__I'd never be able to say it was hacker-proof14:29
wolfgerrick_h__: and let's not forget, there's no reason to encrypt your data unless you have something to hide.... terrorist!14:30
rick_h__I'm wondering though if they'll start resetting passwords on other sites like they did the gawker hack14:30
jjessewolfger wasn't that what the dude from google said?14:30
rick_h__I mean, 70million?14:30
rick_h__but I guess the db isn't public yet so they won't can't14:30
rick_h__just feels like there was more activity on the gawker case but this is so much larger with so much more data yet taken more lightly14:31
wolfgerjjesse: I have no idea who said it, but it's been said, and probably by many people.14:31
rick_h__yea, not sure any one person can take credit for that, think it goes back just a few centuries or so14:32
=== tjagoda2 is now known as tjagoda
tjagodaFeel sorry for all those PS3 fans though14:40
tjagodaLittle Jimmy and his stolen identity14:40
rick_h__snap-l: http://www.mediabistro.com/ebooknewser/i-hope-you-dont-have-a-borders-rewards-card_b971915:04
rick_h__did I mention today is "lose all faith in humanity" day?15:04
=== brousch is now known as dvader
dvaderrick_h__: I find your lack of faith disturbing15:05
=== dvader is now known as brousch
tjagodaI find his lack of faith justified15:06
tjagoda=(15:06
snap-lrick_h__: Damn, you mean I didn't earn all of those free drinks? :)15:15
tjagodaI miss Linux right now15:22
tjagodawhere error logs actually record errors instead of cryptic binaries15:22
wolfgerheheheh15:22
* tjagoda is downloading windows SDK to open a .dmp15:22
tjagodawhy do they even call it an error log in windows?15:22
tjagodaMore like a log of files which may or may not have been generated by errors15:23
tjagoda=P15:23
wolfgerOMG. Minecraft releasing source code? This is horrible.15:23
tjagoda..why?15:23
wolfgervolunteer work on serious linux stuff is going to plummet :-p15:23
jjesseshouldn't that be good then?15:23
tjagodaxD15:23
wolfgerI do not understand the obsession people have with Minecraft, but I understand the obsession exists15:24
jjessenext up an announcement from all distros that they will now be pushing release dates back15:24
tjagodaI don't want to try it15:24
tjagodaI'm addicted to enough media/games as it is15:24
wolfgerI think I will make it one of my Penguicon goals to get Eve running under WINE, so I can quit using Win7 (as soon as they fix my wifi issue)15:25
wolfgerwhich I've been thinking is a driver problem, since I have to rmmod and modprobe to recover, but somebody now says is actually a network-manager issue???15:26
tjagodaI'm making it one of my Penguicon goals to spend as much time in the computer lounge/not working as is possible15:26
wolfgerbut if it's an NM issue, I would expect it to impact all wifi, not just a particular model of Realtek15:27
wolfgerwhat was rick_h__ saying about faith? :-p15:27
tjagodalol15:42
snap-lI don't remember what rick_h__ said about faith, but I know what George said about faith15:44
snap-l"I gotta have faith"15:44
snap-l"I gotta have faith"15:44
snap-l"I gotta have faith-a a faith-afaithafaith."15:44
greg-gsnap-l: https://identi.ca/conversation/69754862 just fyi15:44
brouschsnap-l: I prefer Limp Bizkit's version15:45
greg-gand dang fred durst for being in my head now15:45
greg-g3 dollar bill, ya'll!15:45
snap-lgreg-g: Awesome15:45
snap-lI was hoping for some more moderation15:45
greg-gsnap-l: yeah, because I checked today, another dubious account joined, flagged and blocked15:46
snap-lgreg-g: Thanks for staying on top of that15:46
greg-gbut I would much rather admin it like I do mailman mailing lists15:46
snap-lI thought that we could get by with just flagging the accounts, but they don't seem to go anywhere15:47
greg-gsnap-l: it took me about 30 minutes of flagging/blocking constantly last night. I was luckily in the mood for mostly brain dead work before bed15:47
* greg-g nods15:47
* snap-l reinstalled natty on a SD card. Seems to be working better15:49
snap-lalso, program note: none of the laptops that I own (save for the Netbook) can boot from a SD card.15:49
snap-lSo I have this USB dongle hanging off of the machine15:50
snap-lunfortunately, it's also the largest card that I own (8GB)15:50
greg-ghuh15:50
* snap-l is going to use some of his internet money and pick up some more 8GB cards. ;)15:50
greg-gbitcoin?15:51
snap-lpossibly even a 16GB if they're not crazy15:51
snap-lgreg-g: Um, not exactly15:51
greg-gyou said internet money15:51
snap-lThat's me, pretending to be a pimp.15:51
brouschenvy me. i will be using python and COM to extract data from autodesk inventor15:51
snap-lbrousch: I don't envy you.15:52
brouschbetter than VBA15:52
snap-lWell, yes15:52
snap-lBut that's like saying that you're ruling because you got bit by a 3 year old instead of stung by a scorpion15:53
snap-lIN which case, yeah, you're ballin'15:55
brouschI'm callin in the big guns before i get into this one too much, michipug16:04
snap-l?16:08
brouschtips on using python and com16:09
rick_h__brousch: don't16:09
rick_h__email away your resume16:09
brouschbah, come on16:10
snap-lCOM, seriously?16:10
brouschi have a book about the windows extensions, but it's like 10 years old16:11
brouschsnap-l: that's what they give me16:11
snap-lRight, COM isn't used anymore16:11
brouschi thought they had a .net api for it, but nope16:11
snap-lWow, way to keep up with the times, Autodesk16:12
brousch5 DVDs to install the program and they can't include a .net api16:13
snap-lDo they still make you keep the boxes for all of the software?16:13
brouschyes16:13
snap-lMan, they're idiots.16:13
rick_h__man, if I have to explain how cookies work one more time I'm going to explode16:28
rick_h__"it's not that hard...no really...it's not"16:28
wolfgerYou put the dough in the oven, let them bake, when they come out let them cool, then eat them.16:30
brouschi was gonna say just eat the dough, but i guess at that point it's not technically c ookie16:31
BlazeixCookies are a super-secure medium that is unhackable. You can store all sorts of information in them and not worry at all.16:33
brouschthanks Blazeix!16:33
* brousch starts moving his password storage to cookies16:33
greg-gColonelPanic001: http://illruminations.com/2011/04/27/ubuntu-and-amateur-radio-for-ubuntu-open-week/16:36
ColonelPanic001this is awesome, thanks16:37
greg-gjust doing my job16:37
ColonelPanic001I would like a job posting links in IRC, plz. I seem to be volunteering >_>16:38
brouschColonelPanic001: i believe that job title is "community manager"16:39
ColonelPanic001crap16:39
ColonelPanic001I want "IRC Chatter"16:39
brouschyou have to post to twitter and facebook too16:39
ColonelPanic001What? This is crap. I'd like to see my representative in the IRC Chatter's Union16:39
* greg-g dones another hat16:40
greg-gColonelPanic001: hello, how may I help you?16:40
* ColonelPanic001 cues Rod Serling16:40
ColonelPanic001"The Colonel doesn't realize that he's just taken a job... in the Twilight Zone"16:40
ColonelPanic001"A place where greg-g is every job description in the company"16:41
ColonelPanic0011600 UTC is what, 1200 here? I can never remember if we're -4UTC or -516:42
rick_h__http://everytimezone.com/16:42
ColonelPanic001416:42
rick_h__topic that greg-g :P16:42
ColonelPanic001that is a handy website.16:43
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greg-gok, that should be good16:46
greg-grick_h__: done16:46
* greg-g takes off his channel op hat and puts the Union Representative hat back on16:47
snap-lI just compared my Java development skills to tapdancing on broken glass skills in an e-mail16:49
snap-lie( a bloody mess)16:49
greg-gbarefoot tapdancing?16:50
snap-lbah, yes.16:50
snap-lAlso love how I'm the family paypal account16:52
snap-lbro-in-law isn't terribly computer literate, so he calls me up to order dirt-bike parts16:52
snap-lof course, they get shipped to the house16:52
snap-lSo we're shipping and receving. ;)16:52
brouschgeez16:53
snap-l's OK16:53
snap-lhe's the family mechanic16:53
snap-lAlso loved the expression on the mailman's face when he brought up the frame that my bro-in-law bought16:54
snap-lconsidering the place that shipped it didn't box it up16:54
rick_h__greg-g: lol, just kidding17:00
greg-grick_h__: :)17:13
rick_h__http://www.androidcentral.com/official-google-docs-android-app-here17:39
rick_h__android users, hotness ^^17:39
snap-lrick_h__: Oh that's awesome.17:48
wolfgerF. T. W!18:03
wolfgerNow I will uninstall the crap Samsung/AT&T loaded on my phone18:04
brouschrick_h__: you are making my pants tight18:04
rick_h__I tend to do that, can't help it...sorry :/18:05
rick_h__http://blog.delicious.com/18:06
rick_h__and I don't care any more yay!18:06
wolfgerrick_h__: you are the source of all hotness18:07
brouschgreg-g: thanks for the RT18:07
brouschrick_h__: even if delicious survives, it's always good to have an open source alternative to a proprietary platform18:11
greg-gbrousch: np! (I'm also trying to use the !UbuntuMI/!MichiganLoCo/!UbuntuMichigan identi.ca group more)18:12
greg-grick_h__: huh (re: delicious) that's interesting18:12
greg-grick_h__: but, as brousch said, I'm still on the bookie bandwagon ;)18:12
brouschi can't use it with hootsuite, so i pretty much ignore identica18:12
greg-gbrousch: then I'll be sure to retweet/dent your stuff there18:13
brouschheh18:13
brouschwhat's the official twitter hashtag for us?18:13
brousch#UbuntuMichigan?18:14
greg-g"official"?18:14
greg-gwell, the LoCo Directory searches for "ubuntumi" but I think only for identi.ca (file a feature request!)18:15
brouschi'll use #ubuntumi then18:15
greg-grick_h__: we need a bookie twitter account18:16
greg-glooks like @bookie is parked ("protected" user with no tweets or contacts)18:16
wolfgerbrousch: I stopped ignoring Identica, only to find that most other people had started ignoring Identica while i was busy ignoring it. So now I mostly ignore it again.18:20
greg-gI don't know what to make of this: https://twitter.com/#!/t_ca/status/6329093749277081618:21
rick_h__cool greg-g I guess18:27
rick_h__greg-g:  http://twitter.com/#!/BookieBmarks18:27
rick_h__I'll put something up later on18:28
rick_h__crazy, bookie, bmark, and bmarkus all taken18:28
wolfgercrazy was taken?18:30
rick_h__yea, who'd a thunk it18:31
wolfgeror did you mean s/,/:/   :-D18:31
rick_h__crap, can't get tweetdeck to do multiple accounts18:31
wolfgerbookie is probably taken by a gambler of some sort?18:32
wolfgerReally? I've never had a problem with multiple accounts on Tweetdeck before.18:33
brouschrick_h__: hootsuite ftw18:33
rick_h__oh, yea I got it18:33
rick_h__had to log out of the main account ont he website18:33
rick_h__hah! from the FAQ: Is AVOS going to build a Delicious extension that is compatible with Firefox 4.0?18:37
rick_h__boom, we've already got one of those thanks to _stink_!18:37
brouschhow about an ie extension? get jrwren on that18:40
rick_h__hah, wife asked me for that and I told her it would never happen18:41
rick_h__because at work they only have IE6...18:41
Blazeixhm, would it be possible to build a bookmarklet? That way it would work in all browsers.18:44
Blazeixassuming IE supports bookmarklets, which may be a large assumption.18:45
rick_h__yea, I think it's possible but I've not done it since I never have a bookmark folder/view open to use it18:48
rick_h__I looked into that at the start until I found the Chrome extension to hack18:48
rick_h__and you kind of need the webui view for that18:48
rick_h__or a build a bookmarklet ui so that it gets your api key embedded18:48
Blazeixright, it'd have to be one of those things that's generated by your bookie instance18:49
rick_h__yea18:49
brouschsnap-l: don't you use Gallery? http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce/Manage-Your-Photo-Gallery-from-Android-Using-ReGalAndroid18:56
snap-lI used to use Gallery19:03
snap-lIt's a pain in the ass, though19:03
rick_h__+119:04
rick_h__think wordpress is a pita...ugh19:04
snap-lApparently today is windy day.19:05
rick_h__only today? been windy a lot lately19:05
snap-lWell, it's really windy. :)19:06
snap-lUgh... spent some $$ on getting a sensor and a shield for the Arduino (The Phidget Electronic Brick interface)19:07
snap-lonly to find that the cable isn't the right type (Sharp uses a different 3 pin cable)19:07
snap-lOn the plus side, I found a place that still has the Electronic Brick explorer kits, so I just ordered one of those.19:08
snap-lOh that's brilliant.19:14
snap-lTry this with Compiz: Open Expose mode19:15
snap-lclick on the background (no windows)19:15
snap-leverything disappears.19:15
snap-lIT's rather disconcerting and cool at the same time.19:15
brouschjcastro: I'm going to make a printed hand-out of your Unity Keyboard Shortcuts and Mouse Tricks for my demo tomorrow, unless you have one already prepared19:19
jcastroI do not19:19
jcastrosomeone made wallpapers19:19
jcastrobrousch: there's a print thing19:19
jcastroone sec19:19
jcastrobrousch: http://www.stackprinter.com/19:21
jcastroselect ask ubuntu19:21
jcastroand the question is 2808619:22
jcastrothat will gen a nice printable format for you19:22
greg-gwhoa, neat19:22
brouschok, thanks19:23
brouschdamnit, does chrome not have "print selection"?19:26
snap-lnice!19:26
snap-lI don't htink so19:26
brouschbarbaric19:27
snap-lOf course that also fits into the "never tried it, nor needed it" category.19:27
rick_h__printing? why would we do that?19:27
Blazeixbrousch: my version of chrome seems to have it19:28
Blazeixselect something -> print -> selection19:28
Blazeixoh, that might tie into window chrome, which I'm on right now.19:29
Blazeixs/window/Windows/19:29
rick_h__hmm, yea not here in my linux chrome19:29
rick_h__and I'm on dev19:29
greg-gon Fx4 in Ubuntu the option to select "selection" is in the print dialog19:29
rick_h__right FF has it, but not chrome on linux it looks like19:29
* greg-g hugs Fx419:29
rick_h__me and FF need some time apart19:35
rick_h__the frustration with working on the bookie extension has strained our relationship19:35
_stink_heh19:35
rick_h___stink_: I did find a perfect way to help with the blanking issue though19:35
rick_h__lots of alerts vs logs19:35
rick_h__alerts stop and you can read the logs19:35
rick_h__https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/04/27/awesomebar-hd-find-what-you-want/19:36
rick_h__speaking of FF, would love this19:36
rick_h__one bar to rule them all is the only way to go19:37
brouschblah, i'll make a doc out of the parts i need19:37
brouschlook good? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Ubuntu%2011.04%20Keyboard%20Shortcuts%20and%20Mouse%20Tricks.pdf19:59
_stink_brousch: maybe under Window Management make each line consistently show Operation - way to do it.  like the 4th and 5th are switched20:03
_stink_then bold the Operation so it's easy to find20:03
_stink_just a thought20:03
snap-lAlso use more comic sans20:09
_stink_yes20:09
brouschi should download the ubuntu fonts20:10
Blazeixfor Alt+F1 there's a typo, should be "launches _an_ application"20:12
brouschman, you guys are anal ;)20:18
Blazeixhow nitpicky should I get? Page 2, Super+S: "let's" should be "lets" :)20:18
snap-lBlazeix: You've never used the 'and' application?20:18
snap-lAnd is awesome20:19
BlazeixI've used AndLinux :)20:19
* snap-l makes a note to name his next application "and"20:19
BlazeixI hear And is almost as awesome as Ant, which snap-l loves20:19
snap-lBlazeix: You bet your ass I love Ant20:19
brouschhave to these back upstream to jcastro so he can fix the source20:19
jcastrojust submit an edit to it20:20
snap-lBlazeix: Best thing Java could have done; take the understandability of make and add XML20:20
snap-llike adding reeses peanut butter cups to a hamburger20:21
* snap-l waits for someone ro tell him they add reeses peanut butter cups to a hamburger in the south20:22
brouschjcastro: oh, yeah, forgot i have some powers20:24
jcastroanyone can submit an edit20:25
brouschdone20:25
Blazeixbrousch and I made the same edits at the same time :)20:27
Blazeixsurprisingly, it managed to merge them both, I think.20:27
jcastroyeah20:27
jcastrothere are tons of places you can submit edits20:27
jcastroyou get +2 for each one!20:27
brouschhow many - is it when i imply someone is an idgit?20:28
snap-lbrousch: Depends if anyone concurs. ;)20:28
brouschIf anyone else wants the odt, you can get it here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Ubuntu_11.04_Keyboard_Shortcuts_and_Mouse_Tricks.odt20:31
brouschadded it to the thread. now i don't feel like a total leech20:35
snap-lDelicious Agony is playing "Presto" by Rush (the song)21:50
snap-land while it's not my favorite Rush song, it's still pretty damn good21:51
snap-ljcastro: ^21:51
fdvaleroone day left22:16
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snap-lSpeaking of which, we need some folks to commit to the Natty panel. :)22:19
snap-lOr I'll go drafting. :)22:19
fdvaleroyou talking about gnome 322:21
snap-lUnity, Natty22:26
snap-lUbuntu 11.0422:26
snap-lThat sort of thing22:26
snap-lfdvalero: Have you been using Ubuntu 11.04 yet?22:27
fdvaleronot, I'm using Lucid22:30
fdvalerobut I have gnome-shell, is same as gnome 322:30
fdvalerook, go to college dude22:30

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