[00:02] wow marble size hail [00:02] jjesse: right now for you? [00:05] earlier [00:05] tornado warning just cleared [00:05] <_stink_> dang [00:05] wow [00:05] looks like another storm comming [00:06] eating dinner in the basement :) [00:06] fun fun [00:06] http://picplz.com/user/jjesse/pic/63ttp/ [00:07] http://picplz.com/user/jjesse/pic/63ttb/ [03:30] Good evening [03:30] yes it is [03:31] Installing Natty onto a USB stick proper instead of using it as an install disc [03:31] We'll see how this works [03:31] good luck? [03:31] Wondering if it'll wear out the key sooner [03:31] :) [04:28] OK, that scrollbar in Unity is annoying as fuck [04:29] <_stink_> haha [04:30] <_stink_> man, this channel does not make me want to try unity. [04:32] There's some good things, and some "did you really think this shit through" decisions [04:32] like modal dialogs. I don't think anyone thought that throug [04:32] h [04:34] Whomever made some of the more overriding user interface decisions is a perverse person [04:34] There's things that just don't make any damn sense === lotia-away is now known as lotia [13:34] Anyone having trouble with gwibber under Natty? [13:35] Nope. A simple "sudo apt-get install choqok" fixed it. :-) [13:37] lol [13:37] what is this gwibber thing? [13:39] i can't read choqok without grinning like a schoolboy [13:39] can you be more specific about your trouble? I opened a ticket at one point for not being able to sign up to identica until after I signed up to twitter [13:39] otherwise, it worked as well as Gwibber ever did. [13:39] I think it's just called "desktopcouch fail!" [13:51] and today is lose faith in humanity day, it has so been declared [13:51] widox: _stink_ snap-l n0p jcastro 7pm edition of CHC tonight [13:51] damn. I didn't know i was supposed to hold onto it until today [13:52] sorry, n0p is probably off to AA CHC now, need to take him off the list [13:54] I wolfger Blergh [13:54] rick_h__: w00t, planning on it [13:54] Wow, I think I need more coffee [13:54] rick_h__: PLanning on being there [13:55] Jim MacQuillan might be there as well [13:55] awesome [13:55] Blazeix: CHC tonight! 7pm edition [13:55] oops, knew I was going to miss someone [13:56] I think the install that I did horked the USB key [13:56] couldn't keep up with the write traffic [13:56] http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/apple-finally-responds-to-location-data-tracking-kerfuffle/ [13:56] and once it got an error, bam [13:56] * wolfger wonders what langauge snap-l was speaking there... [13:56] yea, it's where you find out there are differences in USB sticks [13:56] I'm installing to a SD card now [13:56] We'll see if that works any better. [13:57] ahcrap. i forgot to post the west mi natty party [13:57] brousch: Too late. You're coming to PEnguicon now [13:57] snap-l: yea, I need the details of what time I need there [13:57] so I can get the baby sitter here on time [13:57] officially 7pm, should I be heading down early? [13:57] Head down a little early [13:58] enough to get through registration and all [13:58] now i've got parents coming up on friday and a funeral on saturday. i couldn't make pcon even if it wasn't too scary [13:58] brousch: Bring parents [13:59] That's when you find out all sorts of interesting about them. ;) [13:59] "I have one just like that at home" [14:05] I don't think brousch could handle knowing that his parents are furries XD [14:06] wolfger: I don't think any of us could [14:06] wusses, the lot of you [14:06] and if you can, THAT'S GREAT. Please keep it to yourself. :) [14:07] If I send this song along with my request for a firewall which can understand IPv6, nobody can refuse me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 [14:07] * wolfger keeps it to himself, at snap-l's request [14:08] * snap-l makes a quick mental note not to give wolfger my parent's phone number. [14:10] krondor: CHC long 7pm edition tonight fyi [14:10] wtf. the venue form for the loco meeting wants the latitude and longitude of the location [14:11] Do you not navigate via sextent? [14:11] =P [14:11] rick_h__: might be doable, Emily kept me away from the android meetup till late (9 pm) because she got stuck in the OR so I have some guilt to leverage [14:11] brousch: Yeah, that form is a little wonky [14:12] And the meeting form that requires your meeting in UTC traps me up a lot [14:13] it asked for the time zone of the meeting [14:15] krondor: cool, well uncool, but also cool [14:20] <_stink_> wow, the leading story on both Marketplace Money *and* the BBC World News Hour on NPR this morning was the Sony data breach [14:21] thank goodness [14:21] I was pissed at the TNT podcast, they really dropped the ball on it [14:22] Does anybody else consider Sony an evil corporation, or is that just me? [14:22] I've always thought they were stupid, not sure on evikl [14:23] memorystick seems stupid vs evil [14:23] however, just about any large corporation gets evil points, so I guess [14:23] sony is on my evil list. has been since the rootkit thing [14:24] yea, that was a big stupid evil [14:24] They're also massively proprietary [14:26] sony == evil to me. ps3 linux retraction, hardware issues and proprietary for proprietary's sake formats, the death of sega (not that sega didn't help them at it) [14:27] I do feel bad for those sysadmins "You're going to be responsible for a system with 70million people worth of personal info" [14:27] isn't the bigger proble mthe information was stored in a way that could be taken out? shouldn't they have encrypted it somehow? [14:28] sucks when execs at your company stirs the ire of hacker groups and then you're left to pick up the fallout. [14:28] yea, I wish there were more tech details [14:28] I mean, the gawker thing was just morons [14:28] but there's due diligence and things that go beyond that [14:28] encrypting every bit of data you possess isn't going to be something people do [14:29] I can see the PSN designers saying; " I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail." [14:29] Mr. Bolton that is not a trivial detail [14:29] heh [14:29] that's what I go thinking, I don't think I could be in a job with that much data/responsibility [14:29] I'd never be able to say it was hacker-proof [14:30] rick_h__: and let's not forget, there's no reason to encrypt your data unless you have something to hide.... terrorist! [14:30] I'm wondering though if they'll start resetting passwords on other sites like they did the gawker hack [14:30] wolfger wasn't that what the dude from google said? [14:30] I mean, 70million? [14:30] but I guess the db isn't public yet so they won't can't [14:31] just feels like there was more activity on the gawker case but this is so much larger with so much more data yet taken more lightly [14:31] jjesse: I have no idea who said it, but it's been said, and probably by many people. [14:32] yea, not sure any one person can take credit for that, think it goes back just a few centuries or so === tjagoda2 is now known as tjagoda [14:40] Feel sorry for all those PS3 fans though [14:40] Little Jimmy and his stolen identity [15:04] snap-l: http://www.mediabistro.com/ebooknewser/i-hope-you-dont-have-a-borders-rewards-card_b9719 [15:04] did I mention today is "lose all faith in humanity" day? === brousch is now known as dvader [15:05] rick_h__: I find your lack of faith disturbing === dvader is now known as brousch [15:06] I find his lack of faith justified [15:06] =( [15:15] rick_h__: Damn, you mean I didn't earn all of those free drinks? :) [15:22] I miss Linux right now [15:22] where error logs actually record errors instead of cryptic binaries [15:22] heheheh [15:22] * tjagoda is downloading windows SDK to open a .dmp [15:22] why do they even call it an error log in windows? [15:23] More like a log of files which may or may not have been generated by errors [15:23] =P [15:23] OMG. Minecraft releasing source code? This is horrible. [15:23] ..why? [15:23] volunteer work on serious linux stuff is going to plummet :-p [15:23] shouldn't that be good then? [15:23] xD [15:24] I do not understand the obsession people have with Minecraft, but I understand the obsession exists [15:24] next up an announcement from all distros that they will now be pushing release dates back [15:24] I don't want to try it [15:24] I'm addicted to enough media/games as it is [15:25] I think I will make it one of my Penguicon goals to get Eve running under WINE, so I can quit using Win7 (as soon as they fix my wifi issue) [15:26] which I've been thinking is a driver problem, since I have to rmmod and modprobe to recover, but somebody now says is actually a network-manager issue??? [15:26] I'm making it one of my Penguicon goals to spend as much time in the computer lounge/not working as is possible [15:27] but if it's an NM issue, I would expect it to impact all wifi, not just a particular model of Realtek [15:27] what was rick_h__ saying about faith? :-p [15:42] lol [15:44] I don't remember what rick_h__ said about faith, but I know what George said about faith [15:44] "I gotta have faith" [15:44] "I gotta have faith" [15:44] "I gotta have faith-a a faith-afaithafaith." [15:44] snap-l: https://identi.ca/conversation/69754862 just fyi [15:45] snap-l: I prefer Limp Bizkit's version [15:45] and dang fred durst for being in my head now [15:45] 3 dollar bill, ya'll! [15:45] greg-g: Awesome [15:45] I was hoping for some more moderation [15:46] snap-l: yeah, because I checked today, another dubious account joined, flagged and blocked [15:46] greg-g: Thanks for staying on top of that [15:46] but I would much rather admin it like I do mailman mailing lists [15:47] I thought that we could get by with just flagging the accounts, but they don't seem to go anywhere [15:47] snap-l: it took me about 30 minutes of flagging/blocking constantly last night. I was luckily in the mood for mostly brain dead work before bed [15:47] * greg-g nods [15:49] * snap-l reinstalled natty on a SD card. Seems to be working better [15:49] also, program note: none of the laptops that I own (save for the Netbook) can boot from a SD card. [15:50] So I have this USB dongle hanging off of the machine [15:50] unfortunately, it's also the largest card that I own (8GB) [15:50] huh [15:50] * snap-l is going to use some of his internet money and pick up some more 8GB cards. ;) [15:51] bitcoin? [15:51] possibly even a 16GB if they're not crazy [15:51] greg-g: Um, not exactly [15:51] you said internet money [15:51] That's me, pretending to be a pimp. [15:51] envy me. i will be using python and COM to extract data from autodesk inventor [15:52] brousch: I don't envy you. [15:52] better than VBA [15:52] Well, yes [15:53] But that's like saying that you're ruling because you got bit by a 3 year old instead of stung by a scorpion [15:55] IN which case, yeah, you're ballin' [16:04] I'm callin in the big guns before i get into this one too much, michipug [16:08] ? [16:09] tips on using python and com [16:09] brousch: don't [16:09] email away your resume [16:10] bah, come on [16:10] COM, seriously? [16:11] i have a book about the windows extensions, but it's like 10 years old [16:11] snap-l: that's what they give me [16:11] Right, COM isn't used anymore [16:11] i thought they had a .net api for it, but nope [16:12] Wow, way to keep up with the times, Autodesk [16:13] 5 DVDs to install the program and they can't include a .net api [16:13] Do they still make you keep the boxes for all of the software? [16:13] yes [16:13] Man, they're idiots. [16:28] man, if I have to explain how cookies work one more time I'm going to explode [16:28] "it's not that hard...no really...it's not" [16:30] You put the dough in the oven, let them bake, when they come out let them cool, then eat them. [16:31] i was gonna say just eat the dough, but i guess at that point it's not technically c ookie [16:33] Cookies are a super-secure medium that is unhackable. You can store all sorts of information in them and not worry at all. [16:33] thanks Blazeix! [16:33] * brousch starts moving his password storage to cookies [16:36] ColonelPanic001: http://illruminations.com/2011/04/27/ubuntu-and-amateur-radio-for-ubuntu-open-week/ [16:37] this is awesome, thanks [16:37] just doing my job [16:38] I would like a job posting links in IRC, plz. I seem to be volunteering >_> [16:39] ColonelPanic001: i believe that job title is "community manager" [16:39] crap [16:39] I want "IRC Chatter" [16:39] you have to post to twitter and facebook too [16:39] What? This is crap. I'd like to see my representative in the IRC Chatter's Union [16:40] * greg-g dones another hat [16:40] ColonelPanic001: hello, how may I help you? [16:40] * ColonelPanic001 cues Rod Serling [16:40] "The Colonel doesn't realize that he's just taken a job... in the Twilight Zone" [16:41] "A place where greg-g is every job description in the company" [16:42] 1600 UTC is what, 1200 here? I can never remember if we're -4UTC or -5 [16:42] http://everytimezone.com/ [16:42] 4 [16:42] topic that greg-g :P [16:43] that is a handy website. === greg-g changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-mi to: Michigan LoCo | Wiki: http://ur1.ca/33fhq | LP: http://ur1.ca/33fhw | MailingList: http://ur1.ca/33fhy | Check out MUG: http://www.mug.org and CHC: http://ur1.ca/33fin | Michigan Repository Mirror at OU: http://ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu/ | This channel is now logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | What time are we? http://everytimezone.com/ === greg-g changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-mi to: Michigan LoCo | All About Us: http://ur1.ca/413j6 | Check out MUG: http://www.mug.org and CHC: http://ur1.ca/33fin | Michigan Repository Mirror at OU: http://ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu/ | This channel is now logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | What time are we? http://everytimezone.com/ [16:46] ok, that should be good [16:46] rick_h__: done [16:47] * greg-g takes off his channel op hat and puts the Union Representative hat back on [16:49] I just compared my Java development skills to tapdancing on broken glass skills in an e-mail [16:49] ie( a bloody mess) [16:50] barefoot tapdancing? [16:50] bah, yes. [16:52] Also love how I'm the family paypal account [16:52] bro-in-law isn't terribly computer literate, so he calls me up to order dirt-bike parts [16:52] of course, they get shipped to the house [16:52] So we're shipping and receving. ;) [16:53] geez [16:53] 's OK [16:53] he's the family mechanic [16:54] Also loved the expression on the mailman's face when he brought up the frame that my bro-in-law bought [16:54] considering the place that shipped it didn't box it up [17:00] greg-g: lol, just kidding [17:13] rick_h__: :) [17:39] http://www.androidcentral.com/official-google-docs-android-app-here [17:39] android users, hotness ^^ [17:48] rick_h__: Oh that's awesome. [18:03] F. T. W! [18:04] Now I will uninstall the crap Samsung/AT&T loaded on my phone [18:04] rick_h__: you are making my pants tight [18:05] I tend to do that, can't help it...sorry :/ [18:06] http://blog.delicious.com/ [18:06] and I don't care any more yay! [18:07] rick_h__: you are the source of all hotness [18:07] greg-g: thanks for the RT [18:11] rick_h__: even if delicious survives, it's always good to have an open source alternative to a proprietary platform [18:12] brousch: np! (I'm also trying to use the !UbuntuMI/!MichiganLoCo/!UbuntuMichigan identi.ca group more) [18:12] rick_h__: huh (re: delicious) that's interesting [18:12] rick_h__: but, as brousch said, I'm still on the bookie bandwagon ;) [18:12] i can't use it with hootsuite, so i pretty much ignore identica [18:13] brousch: then I'll be sure to retweet/dent your stuff there [18:13] heh [18:13] what's the official twitter hashtag for us? [18:14] #UbuntuMichigan? [18:14] "official"? [18:15] well, the LoCo Directory searches for "ubuntumi" but I think only for identi.ca (file a feature request!) [18:15] i'll use #ubuntumi then [18:16] rick_h__: we need a bookie twitter account [18:16] looks like @bookie is parked ("protected" user with no tweets or contacts) [18:20] brousch: I stopped ignoring Identica, only to find that most other people had started ignoring Identica while i was busy ignoring it. So now I mostly ignore it again. [18:21] I don't know what to make of this: https://twitter.com/#!/t_ca/status/63290937492770816 [18:27] cool greg-g I guess [18:27] greg-g: http://twitter.com/#!/BookieBmarks [18:28] I'll put something up later on [18:28] crazy, bookie, bmark, and bmarkus all taken [18:30] crazy was taken? [18:31] yea, who'd a thunk it [18:31] or did you mean s/,/:/ :-D [18:31] crap, can't get tweetdeck to do multiple accounts [18:32] bookie is probably taken by a gambler of some sort? [18:33] Really? I've never had a problem with multiple accounts on Tweetdeck before. [18:33] rick_h__: hootsuite ftw [18:33] oh, yea I got it [18:33] had to log out of the main account ont he website [18:37] hah! from the FAQ: Is AVOS going to build a Delicious extension that is compatible with Firefox 4.0? [18:37] boom, we've already got one of those thanks to _stink_! [18:40] how about an ie extension? get jrwren on that [18:41] hah, wife asked me for that and I told her it would never happen [18:41] because at work they only have IE6... [18:44] hm, would it be possible to build a bookmarklet? That way it would work in all browsers. [18:45] assuming IE supports bookmarklets, which may be a large assumption. [18:48] yea, I think it's possible but I've not done it since I never have a bookmark folder/view open to use it [18:48] I looked into that at the start until I found the Chrome extension to hack [18:48] and you kind of need the webui view for that [18:48] or a build a bookmarklet ui so that it gets your api key embedded [18:49] right, it'd have to be one of those things that's generated by your bookie instance [18:49] yea [18:56] snap-l: don't you use Gallery? http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce/Manage-Your-Photo-Gallery-from-Android-Using-ReGalAndroid [19:03] I used to use Gallery [19:03] It's a pain in the ass, though [19:04] +1 [19:04] think wordpress is a pita...ugh [19:05] Apparently today is windy day. [19:05] only today? been windy a lot lately [19:06] Well, it's really windy. :) [19:07] Ugh... spent some $$ on getting a sensor and a shield for the Arduino (The Phidget Electronic Brick interface) [19:07] only to find that the cable isn't the right type (Sharp uses a different 3 pin cable) [19:08] On the plus side, I found a place that still has the Electronic Brick explorer kits, so I just ordered one of those. [19:14] Oh that's brilliant. [19:15] Try this with Compiz: Open Expose mode [19:15] click on the background (no windows) [19:15] everything disappears. [19:15] IT's rather disconcerting and cool at the same time. [19:19] jcastro: I'm going to make a printed hand-out of your Unity Keyboard Shortcuts and Mouse Tricks for my demo tomorrow, unless you have one already prepared [19:19] I do not [19:19] someone made wallpapers [19:19] brousch: there's a print thing [19:19] one sec [19:21] brousch: http://www.stackprinter.com/ [19:21] select ask ubuntu [19:22] and the question is 28086 [19:22] that will gen a nice printable format for you [19:22] whoa, neat [19:23] ok, thanks [19:26] damnit, does chrome not have "print selection"? [19:26] nice! [19:26] I don't htink so [19:27] barbaric [19:27] Of course that also fits into the "never tried it, nor needed it" category. [19:27] printing? why would we do that? [19:28] brousch: my version of chrome seems to have it [19:28] select something -> print -> selection [19:29] oh, that might tie into window chrome, which I'm on right now. [19:29] s/window/Windows/ [19:29] hmm, yea not here in my linux chrome [19:29] and I'm on dev [19:29] on Fx4 in Ubuntu the option to select "selection" is in the print dialog [19:29] right FF has it, but not chrome on linux it looks like [19:29] * greg-g hugs Fx4 [19:35] me and FF need some time apart [19:35] the frustration with working on the bookie extension has strained our relationship [19:35] <_stink_> heh [19:35] _stink_: I did find a perfect way to help with the blanking issue though [19:35] lots of alerts vs logs [19:35] alerts stop and you can read the logs [19:36] https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/04/27/awesomebar-hd-find-what-you-want/ [19:36] speaking of FF, would love this [19:37] one bar to rule them all is the only way to go [19:37] blah, i'll make a doc out of the parts i need [19:59] look good? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Ubuntu%2011.04%20Keyboard%20Shortcuts%20and%20Mouse%20Tricks.pdf [20:03] <_stink_> brousch: maybe under Window Management make each line consistently show Operation - way to do it. like the 4th and 5th are switched [20:03] <_stink_> then bold the Operation so it's easy to find [20:03] <_stink_> just a thought [20:09] Also use more comic sans [20:09] <_stink_> yes [20:10] i should download the ubuntu fonts [20:12] for Alt+F1 there's a typo, should be "launches _an_ application" [20:18] man, you guys are anal ;) [20:18] how nitpicky should I get? Page 2, Super+S: "let's" should be "lets" :) [20:18] Blazeix: You've never used the 'and' application? [20:19] And is awesome [20:19] I've used AndLinux :) [20:19] * snap-l makes a note to name his next application "and" [20:19] I hear And is almost as awesome as Ant, which snap-l loves [20:19] Blazeix: You bet your ass I love Ant [20:19] have to these back upstream to jcastro so he can fix the source [20:20] just submit an edit to it [20:20] Blazeix: Best thing Java could have done; take the understandability of make and add XML [20:21] like adding reeses peanut butter cups to a hamburger [20:22] * snap-l waits for someone ro tell him they add reeses peanut butter cups to a hamburger in the south [20:24] jcastro: oh, yeah, forgot i have some powers [20:25] anyone can submit an edit [20:25] done [20:27] brousch and I made the same edits at the same time :) [20:27] surprisingly, it managed to merge them both, I think. [20:27] yeah [20:27] there are tons of places you can submit edits [20:27] you get +2 for each one! [20:28] how many - is it when i imply someone is an idgit? [20:28] brousch: Depends if anyone concurs. ;) [20:31] If anyone else wants the odt, you can get it here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Ubuntu_11.04_Keyboard_Shortcuts_and_Mouse_Tricks.odt [20:35] added it to the thread. now i don't feel like a total leech [21:50] Delicious Agony is playing "Presto" by Rush (the song) [21:51] and while it's not my favorite Rush song, it's still pretty damn good [21:51] jcastro: ^ [22:16] one day left === Team-Xlink is now known as TeamXlink [22:19] Speaking of which, we need some folks to commit to the Natty panel. :) [22:19] Or I'll go drafting. :) [22:21] you talking about gnome 3 [22:26] Unity, Natty [22:26] Ubuntu 11.04 [22:26] That sort of thing [22:27] fdvalero: Have you been using Ubuntu 11.04 yet? [22:30] not, I'm using Lucid [22:30] but I have gnome-shell, is same as gnome 3 [22:30] ok, go to college dude