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nuvolariyo Squirm 07:38
Squirmmorning nuvolari 07:45
nuvolarilo lo! How're you?08:07
Kiloshiya superfly and all ya others09:22
superflyhi Kilos09:22
Kilosgotta good one today. how would i find my linux registered user number. lost when i crashed pc10:32
Kilosi am a registered member of linuxquestions.org but dunno how to ask them for my number10:35
Kiloscan i ask them at the linux forums or the wiki goodie. not sure what wiki's are10:42
Symmetriainteresting10:45
Symmetriastill no official release files synched from ubuntu yet for tomorrows release10:45
superflyKilos: do you mean your number with the linux counter project?10:55
Kilosyeah superfly 10:56
tumbleweedcounter.li.org10:56
tumbleweedlooks like it died after 200210:56
Kilosi am there at the moment but they dunno my mail address10:57
Kilosi am sure i registered about a year ago10:57
Kilosmaybe less10:58
marcogqueery: any idea of the prices of food for saturday?11:03
marcoggot someone who's unsure about coming for cost reasons11:03
Kiloshow can that counter site not know my mail address. i then registered with them before11:04
queeryoh well the hotdogs are R12 I think and R20 with chips11:04
queerysomething like that11:04
Symmetria*SIGH* scientists need to realize that storing data in files that are gazillions of gigs big is bad mmmmk, especially for mirroring purposes11:04
Symmetrialike, wtf, 18gig zip files?!11:04
queerybut out data is that big11:04
marcogqueery: cool, she's in then11:04
Symmetriaqueery haha so split it into a coupla files 11:05
queerygetting a scientist to just use gimp is already an issue...11:05
queeryhehe11:05
queerybelieve me if I can get the people in my lab to be a bit more open to new things it would be a miracle11:06
queerymarcog, awesome11:07
marcogqueery: :)11:08
marcogsome people seem to think it'll be expensive11:08
marcoglike geekdinner prices11:08
queeryno11:08
queeryit's stellenbosch11:09
marcogyeah i realised this11:09
queeryand in the student center11:09
queery"Boreworsrolle  met boerewors en smoor   @ R12.00    voeg skyfies by @ R8.00 extra."11:09
marcogMaaz: translate smoor11:11
Maazmarcog: throttle11:11
marcog???11:11
queeryhaha11:11
queeryim still laughing11:12
marcogwhat does it actually mean?11:12
queeryits stew11:12
marcogah11:12
queerytomato and onion stew11:12
queeryi think11:12
marcogcool11:12
queerywell the tomato and onion thing11:13
marcogyeah11:13
queeryits good!!!11:13
marcog:D11:13
queeryMaaz, coffee on11:13
* Maaz starts grinding coffee11:13
MaazCoffee's ready for queery!11:17
queerylunch coffee and a silla and then work work work11:17
queerymaaz thank you11:17
Maazqueery: Okay :-)11:17
Symmetriahrm11:21
Symmetria cat set.checksums.txt |awk '{print $3":"$4" "$5}'|grep biomirror |sed 's/\///' |sed 's/\///' |sed 's/://' |sed 's/://' |sed 's/:/./' |sed 's/^/touch -m -t /'  <=== someone give me a far more condensed command line to do that :)11:21
queeryMaaz, announce Chocolate or vanilla cake?11:25
MaazHear ye, hear ye! Chocolate or vanilla cake11:25
marcogwhen do you need to decide by?11:25
queerynow11:25
queeryneed to order asap11:25
marcogMaaz: poll on cake flavour until 12:30 vote chocolate or vanilla11:26
Maazmarcog: You're not the boss of me11:26
marcogmeh11:26
marcogMaaz: karma vanilla11:26
Maazmarcog: nobody cares, dude11:26
marcogMaaz: karma chocolate11:26
Maazmarcog: nobody cares, dude11:26
marcogyay11:26
marcogMaaz: chocolate++11:26
queeryhaha11:26
marcogthat's my vote ^11:26
queerywell I know drubin like chocolate11:27
queerytumbleweed, any pref?11:27
marcoglast time we had vanilla iirc11:27
queeryyes11:28
queeryok fine choc it is11:28
marcogyay!11:28
marcogMaaz: forget karma for chocolate11:28
Maazmarcog: I'm not going to listen to you11:28
marcogMaaz: botslap11:28
Maazsorry, marcog :(11:28
queeryhaha11:28
Kiloshee hee hee11:29
queeryshame poor maaz11:29
marcog:P11:29
Kilosmarcog, chown him11:29
queerycake ordered, tim for a silla11:40
* tumbleweed can't bring the usual external hard drive I take to release parties12:58
tumbleweeddoes anyone have a SATA enclosure lying around? If I bring a disk, can we use it?12:58
marcogi *might* have one at home12:59
marcogremind me to check later tonight12:59
tumbleweedk12:59
queerywhat size drive?13:04
tumbleweed100G is probably enough13:07
tumbleweedI think I've only got 250Gs lying around though13:07
queeryno size as in enclosure you need13:10
queeryin inces13:10
queeryhehe13:10
tumbleweedthat makes more sense :)13:10
tumbleweed3.5"13:10
queeryoh13:10
tumbleweedI have a 2.5" enclosure, but no disks13:11
queeryi have one for the 2.5"13:11
tumbleweed(well s/enclosure/board/, there's no enclosing)13:11
tumbleweedI doubt they can deliver enough power13:11
queeryhaha ok13:12
queeryMaaz, coffee on13:18
* Maaz puts the kettle on13:18
MaazCoffee's ready for queery!13:22
queeryMaaz, thanx13:23
Maazqueery: Sorry...13:23
queeryMaaz, thank you13:23
Maazqueery: Sure13:23
Kiloshi tumbleweed looks like the counter is still working. it allowed me  to reguister again. ty15:22
Kilosok matter of opinions. is in uncool to add a linux user number as a signature in your emails15:35
Kilosif not how do you add it?15:36
Kiloshehe15:36
mazalI have one in mine15:36
mazalIf we are thinking of the same thing15:36
Kilosthe little penguin with your number underneath?15:37
mazalYep15:38
mazalYou register on a site , I'm trying to find the addy now15:38
Kilosi have one mazal 15:39
Kilosactually 2 now. lost the first one15:39
mazalOh ok , why you ask how to add it ?15:39
Kiloslol. i have no idea how to do it. didnt even know what a signature was in mails15:40
Kilosi am used to pushing a pen around if someone wants my signature15:40
mazalYou just log in on their site and you download that pic of your number. Then you just add it to your signature15:41
Kilossome peeps complain. especially that sent from my blackberry one15:42
Kilosadd it where?15:42
mazalWhat email reader you use ?15:42
Kilosevolution15:43
Kiloson maverick15:43
mazaledit - preferences - composer preferences15:43
Kilosor do you do it at gmail etc15:43
mazalsignature tab15:43
mazalclick add15:44
mazalGive it a name15:44
mazaledit it in the bottom window15:44
mazalYou can add text and pics in the sig if you want15:45
mazalBUT , if you add pics the composer default for messages must be HTML15:45
Kilosdo i just drag the pic there15:45
Kilosor copy pate15:45
Kilospaste15:45
mazalNo there's a little button for "Insert image"15:46
Kilosoh no. seen the guys complain about html15:46
mazalWhy ?15:46
Kilosi dunno. they dont like html mails i think15:48
Kilosmine is set to plain text15:48
superflyhtml e-mails are unnecessarily bloated15:48
mazalWay too much "complaining" in this ZA  community15:48
superflyyour HTML is double the size of your actual message, and some mail clients don't properly support the fallback to text, so we all get a blank e-mail15:49
Kiloshehe so must i forget the signature pic superfly 15:49
superflyKilos: just put some text... "Registered Linux user #123456"15:49
* Kilos listens to the fly15:50
mazalWhy use an email reader that can't handle html ?15:50
Kilosevolution can read them but i dont wanna upset others15:50
superflymazal: because HTML e-mails are stupid15:50
superflylike I said, they bloat your e-mail by as much as 200%15:50
mazalIt's not really that much bigger15:50
Kilosand hate wasting data 15:51
mazalSo a let's say 6k message becomes 12k , that's not a big deal15:51
superflymazal: ask kilos who has zero income and has to plead with his family to give him money for his GPRS connection15:51
Kilosyip. every k counts15:52
superflyhe'll tell you how if you can cut down the amount of rubbish you put in your e-mail, he would certainly appreciate it15:52
superflymazal: I have a 4Mbps uncapped connection, and I care enough to NOT send HTML e-mails15:52
mazalThat reminds me , still need to check out uncapped ISP's15:54
* superfly still needs to do his annual moan at the list to please stick to acceptable levels of netiquette15:55
Kilostop and bottom posting and trimming?15:56
mazalTo the list I will only send txt then , if it will help out a fellow member15:56
Kilosty mazal 15:56
Kilosthere are others with data shortages too15:56
Kiloslotsa students15:57
Kilosand old peeps15:57
Kiloshehe15:57
superflyKilos: yes, and HTML, etc15:58
Kilosthat seems to be a never ending battle superfly 15:59
Kilosfrom when i first joined the lists15:59
mazalthe trimming ?15:59
Kilosmaybe explain it step for step inna mail and send to our list16:00
Kiloswhen there is a long thread16:00
Kiloslotsa answers and replies etc16:00
Kilosthey end up rahter long16:01
Kilosrather16:01
mazalI think one has become so used to fast Inet with load of data that you don't even think about it16:02
mazalLong emails and big attachments has become normal16:02
Kilosfor business yes. but not for a help list16:03
mazalIn afr. we say "Mag van die gewoonte"16:04
mazalIt causes one to not even think about it16:04
Kiloslol ja16:04
Kilosbut is kinda irritating to get a request for help. then 20 try this before an answer comes up16:06
mazalso anybody have some info on exactly how late tommorow we will be able to DL 11.04 ?16:06
Kilosif you trim all thiose that didnt work and leave the request and you advice its muc cooler i think16:06
superflymazal: apparently mirror.ac.za has not heard anything from Canonical yet16:08
mazal:(16:08
mazalI was hoping to get the DL's going tomorow morning very early16:08
* superfly is running natty already16:09
superflymazal: no, it'll only be available late in the afternoon16:09
mazalHmmm , need to adjust planning then16:09
mazalSomething has me very nervous for this one16:10
tumbleweedmazal: the release time isn't published in advance16:10
tumbleweednormally late afternoon16:10
tumbleweedaww, #ubuntu-release-party is still tiny16:13
drubinbefore upgrading to natty I need to format my machine.... which is more of a mission then it is worth16:13
superflytumbleweed: it'll probably surge tomorrow, and then the fun will begin16:13
mazaldrubin, yeah I'm gonna do the same16:14
tumbleweedhell, yes16:14
tumbleweedbut it does already have lively discussion16:14
mazalOnce each year , every LTS16:14
tumbleweedLTSs are every 2 years16:14
mazalNot the last two16:14
mazal10 04 was last year april16:14
drubinmazal: no generally you never need to.. but my partioning is messed16:14
drubinand gparted can't resize and machine is generally not happy16:15
mazaldrubin, I like to do it just to get everything clean again16:15
tumbleweedmazal: yes, and 11.04 isn't an LTS16:16
mazalIt's not ? ag no16:16
mazalBut still 18 months supported yes ?16:16
tumbleweedit's got a pretty experimentally new desktop, be thankful it isn't an LTS :)16:16
tumbleweedyes16:16
tumbleweedLTS = 10 years16:17
superflymazal: the only time I care about LTS is when it's on my servers16:17
tumbleweederr 516:17
mazalThen I think I should bother with the server now16:17
superflydesktops I upgrade every release16:17
mazalshouldn't even16:17
tumbleweedmazal: yeah, LTS makes sense for servers (or debian) :)16:18
mazalMy current one is 10.1016:18
mazalI will leave that till next year then16:18
tumbleweedno, you have to upgrade through natty16:19
mazalI will re-install , bot upgrade16:19
mazalI never upgrade16:19
tumbleweedI only upgrade16:19
mazalnot even , shees learn to speel fool16:19
mazalDon't you get many issues with OS level upgrades ?16:20
tumbleweedno, because I use Debian & Ubuntu, not Windows :)16:20
mazalLOL16:20
tumbleweedmy laptop runs devolpment oubuntu releases and gets upgraded every morning16:20
superflyyeah, I upgraded my desktop to natty beta 1, and it's been 100% stable16:21
mazalNormal updates I do , but when it comes to a whole version upgrade I prefer re-install16:21
superflymazal: no need to16:21
superflythat's just a waste of time and effort16:21
tumbleweed(assuming you haven't broken it)16:21
superflyleave your windows mentality with windows16:21
mazalhmm16:21
mazalWell I must this time , going back to 32-bit and currently am on 64-bit16:22
superflymazal: what's wrong with 64bit?16:22
mazalI find it having problems16:23
tumbleweedodd move. natty is starting to support multi-arch, in oneric, you should be able to run just about any 32 bit program without ia32-libs (I hope)16:23
mazalWhenever I have strange software problems it's always on the 64bit install16:23
mazalThat's one reason16:24
mazalThe other is I make custom iso of my system frequently , then I can't install it on any other pc if it's not also 64bit16:24
tumbleweedit's hard to find hardware that isn't these days16:24
mazalNot here , all our work machines are still 32bit16:25
mazalAnd some friends have 32bit laptops16:25
mazalMaybe I should take a different route16:26
mazalBuild both16:27
tumbleweedI think almost everything bought in the last 5 years is compatible16:29
* superfly can't remember having any issues with running 32-bit stuff on his 64-bit machine16:31
mazalThat tells you how old our stuff is at work , 2006 P4's :( Horrible16:31
mazalIf I can just get back my trust in 64bit16:32
superflymazal: my wife's 2006 P4 only just gave in - and that was the motherboard, actually, not the processor16:32
mazalMaybe it's just coincidence that the most problems I had yet was on this 64bit install16:33
mazalMaybe it's not the 64bit , but something else16:33
tumbleweedsuperfly: the best way to avoid 64bit issues is to avoid proprietory software16:34
tumbleweedI've been very happy with amd64 for years (and flash has always been buggy as hell)16:34
superflytumbleweed: that's probably why I haven't run into issues16:36
mazalComing back to the upgrading , so you boot the new cd and choose the "upgrade" option. You never re-install ?16:37
* tumbleweed got rid of proprietory nvidia drivers last night, \o/ nouveau ftw16:37
mazalBut then you must upgrade EVERY new version16:37
tumbleweedmazal: or LTS-to-LTS16:37
superflymazal: well, you can just stick the new CD in, and run the "cdromupgrade" script16:38
mazalThink I'm gonna give that a go this year. New install now and then upgrade October16:38
superflyor, if you have enough bandwidth, you can do it straight off the internet16:38
mazalMy biggest gripe with re-install is the huge amount of software that must be downloaded16:39
mazalsuperfly , my line is too slow for that16:39
tumbleweedupgrades will also involve huge amounts of downloading16:40
superflymazal: well, the setup and configuration part of my upgrade actually took twice as long as the download portion, and I downloaded 4.4 gigs of stuff16:40
Kilosdont you need the alternate cd to do upgrades?16:43
superflyyes16:43
Kilosmazal, you see that16:44
Kilosdownload the right one16:44
mazalYeah , can the alternate cd do a fresh install as well or just upgrade ?16:44
Kilosget the link from the fly16:44
marcogtumbleweed: nouveau, is this new?16:44
tumbleweedmarcog: not particularly16:45
tumbleweedbut I haven't looked at it in a year or so, and it now supports both my monitors. Before it only saw one of them16:45
marcogis it worth trying out?16:46
superflymazal: yes16:46
tumbleweedmarcog: if you aren't playing 3D games16:46
tumbleweedor using CUDA16:46
marcogtumbleweed: me games? doesn't happen16:46
tumbleweedalthoguh it does have some 3d accelleration16:47
tumbleweedthe XV support is way better than nvidia, it actually syncs frames to the output :P16:47
mazalSo one should always DL the alternate cd , then you can fresh install or upgrade16:47
Kilosyip16:47
tumbleweedmazal: alternate CD is slower to install, and isn't live16:47
tumbleweedthe installer is also text-based16:47
tumbleweed(and very powerful)16:48
mazalDon't mind that , used to it with the server installs16:48
mazalCheers all , have a good evening16:53
queerybye18:14
Kiloslo nlsthzn 19:42
Kilosthough you were locked up19:43
Kilosthought19:43
nlsthznKilos: Hey Uncle Kilos... locked up?19:43
Kilosyeah are they rioting there19:43
nlsthznin the UAE?19:43
Kilosoh hasnt it got there yet19:43
Kilosthats good19:43
nlsthzn:) read the blog... awesome story19:44
Kiloslol19:44
Kilosfool i was19:45
Kilosdid you go to the site?19:45
Kilosall family pics there and some music19:46
nlsthznno... only the blog so far... so little time :(19:46
Kilosyeah there never enough time till you too old to need it19:46
Kilosthen theres too much19:47
nlsthznSucks19:47
Kiloslol19:47
Kiloskeeps life interesting19:47
* rverrips waves20:01
nlsthzn:p20:01
Kiloshi rverrips 20:05
rverripsHi K' - Howzit?20:05
Kilosnlsthzn,  you got patience hey. ook months to blog all of that20:05
Kilosgood ty20:06
nlsthznKilos: Only took a few hours... and that was reading slowly... you write well :)20:06
rverripsnlsthzn - What blog is Kilo referring to?20:06
Kilosoh ty20:06
Kiloslol. my kinda life story rverrips 20:07
Kilosand how i got to ubuntu20:07
Kilosand the help i got here20:07
rverripswhat's the address?  20:08
KilosMaaz, kilos.blog20:08
MaazKilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/20:08
nlsthznlet me get ready for some sleepy time... cheers all20:09
Kilossleep tight nlsthzn 20:09
Kiloshi stegreen welcome20:10
stegreenhi there thanks for the welcome20:11
Kiloswhere are you and are you using ubuntu?20:12
Kilossorry rverrips i didnt welcome you too20:12
Kilosdunno who is new and who isn20:12
Kilosisnt20:12
stegreenI am from Johannesburg SA - been using ubuntu since Warty Warthog...now on Lucid20:13
rverripsI've  been a round a while Kilos ... no worries ... 20:13
Kilosgreat20:13
Kilosyeah i been on and off so dunno who i missed20:14
stegreeneventually decided to get more involved and start making a contribution :-)20:14
Kilosgreat20:14
Kilosyou just in time for the new release tomorrow20:14
rverripsI'm now in Dubai (used to be in Hartbeespoort) - Been on Ubuntu since Warty20:14
Kiloswow and nlsthzn is in uae20:15
rverripsAnyone here on diaspora?20:15
stegreenbeen looking at the za loco site - the guys in cpt seem to be really active...when and where do they guys get together here in Jhb20:15
Kilosthe glug guys20:16
Kilosmust be someone here20:16
Kilosthe cape guys are really active20:17
stegreenwhere are you based Kilos20:17
Kilosin pretoria20:18
Kilosjust outside pta actually on the way to brits20:18
stegreennice...in the country. I am in 4ways right in the heart of the city20:19
Kilosah20:19
Kilosi get horribly lost in jhb20:19
stegreenlol...I feel that way about pta20:20
Kilosonly road i know is the n3 past to durbs20:20
stegreenanyone using 10.10 yet?20:26
Kilosyes20:28
Kilosits great20:28
stegreeni tried it with my netbook...not sure I like unity  yet20:28
Kilosthats 11.0420:28
Kilosmaverick is great20:28
Kilosbut some of the guys are using 11.04 already20:29
Kilos10.10 is still gnome20:29
stegreeninteresting...I was sure it was 10.10 I was using...just checking20:30
KilosMaaz, ubuntu releases20:31
MaazKilos: ubuntu releases are 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog), 5.10 (Breezy Badger), 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), 6.10 (Edgy Eft), 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat), 11.04 (Natty Narwhal), 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot)20:31
stegreenI am running maverick on my netbook with unity interface, but I see it still has gnome listed20:31
Kilosah20:32
Kilosyou musta installed it20:32
Kilosi see unity in synaptic20:32
Kilosbut the default is gnome20:32
stegreeni guess...will play around a little now and see what I turned on20:33
Kiloslol20:33
nlsthznin 10.10 unity is basically the netbook remix... not nearly the same as the Unity you will get with 11.0420:37
Kilosah20:37
stegreenI think the interface works well perhaps for touch based devices...but I am using the netbook remix version now and think there is still some work needed from a performance perspective (not speed) but UI20:38
Kilosnight all. sleep tight21:08

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