[07:38] <nuvolari> yo Squirm 
[07:45] <Squirm> morning nuvolari 
[08:07] <nuvolari> lo lo! How're you?
[09:22] <Kilos> hiya superfly and all ya others
[09:22] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:32] <Kilos> gotta good one today. how would i find my linux registered user number. lost when i crashed pc
[10:35] <Kilos> i am a registered member of linuxquestions.org but dunno how to ask them for my number
[10:42] <Kilos> can i ask them at the linux forums or the wiki goodie. not sure what wiki's are
[10:45] <Symmetria> interesting
[10:45] <Symmetria> still no official release files synched from ubuntu yet for tomorrows release
[10:55] <superfly> Kilos: do you mean your number with the linux counter project?
[10:56] <Kilos> yeah superfly 
[10:56] <tumbleweed> counter.li.org
[10:56] <tumbleweed> looks like it died after 2002
[10:57] <Kilos> i am there at the moment but they dunno my mail address
[10:57] <Kilos> i am sure i registered about a year ago
[10:58] <Kilos> maybe less
[11:03] <marcog> queery: any idea of the prices of food for saturday?
[11:03] <marcog> got someone who's unsure about coming for cost reasons
[11:04] <Kilos> how can that counter site not know my mail address. i then registered with them before
[11:04] <queery> oh well the hotdogs are R12 I think and R20 with chips
[11:04] <queery> something like that
[11:04] <Symmetria> *SIGH* scientists need to realize that storing data in files that are gazillions of gigs big is bad mmmmk, especially for mirroring purposes
[11:04] <Symmetria> like, wtf, 18gig zip files?!
[11:04] <queery> but out data is that big
[11:04] <marcog> queery: cool, she's in then
[11:05] <Symmetria> queery haha so split it into a coupla files 
[11:05] <queery> getting a scientist to just use gimp is already an issue...
[11:05] <queery> hehe
[11:06] <queery> believe me if I can get the people in my lab to be a bit more open to new things it would be a miracle
[11:07] <queery> marcog, awesome
[11:08] <marcog> queery: :)
[11:08] <marcog> some people seem to think it'll be expensive
[11:08] <marcog> like geekdinner prices
[11:08] <queery> no
[11:09] <queery> it's stellenbosch
[11:09] <marcog> yeah i realised this
[11:09] <queery> and in the student center
[11:09] <queery> "Boreworsrolle  met boerewors en smoor   @ R12.00    voeg skyfies by @ R8.00 extra."
[11:11] <marcog> Maaz: translate smoor
[11:11] <Maaz> marcog: throttle
[11:11] <marcog> ???
[11:11] <queery> haha
[11:12] <queery> im still laughing
[11:12] <marcog> what does it actually mean?
[11:12] <queery> its stew
[11:12] <marcog> ah
[11:12] <queery> tomato and onion stew
[11:12] <queery> i think
[11:12] <marcog> cool
[11:13] <queery> well the tomato and onion thing
[11:13] <marcog> yeah
[11:13] <queery> its good!!!
[11:13] <marcog> :D
[11:13] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[11:13]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[11:17] <queery> lunch coffee and a silla and then work work work
[11:17] <queery> maaz thank you
[11:17] <Maaz> queery: Okay :-)
[11:21] <Symmetria> hrm
[11:21] <Symmetria>  cat set.checksums.txt |awk '{print $3":"$4" "$5}'|grep biomirror |sed 's/\///' |sed 's/\///' |sed 's/://' |sed 's/://' |sed 's/:/./' |sed 's/^/touch -m -t /'  <[11:25] <queery> Maaz, announce Chocolate or vanilla cake?
[11:25] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Chocolate or vanilla cake
[11:25] <marcog> when do you need to decide by?
[11:25] <queery> now
[11:25] <queery> need to order asap
[11:26] <marcog> Maaz: poll on cake flavour until 12:30 vote chocolate or vanilla
[11:26] <Maaz> marcog: You're not the boss of me
[11:26] <marcog> meh
[11:26] <marcog> Maaz: karma vanilla
[11:26] <Maaz> marcog: nobody cares, dude
[11:26] <marcog> Maaz: karma chocolate
[11:26] <Maaz> marcog: nobody cares, dude
[11:26] <marcog> yay
[11:26] <marcog> Maaz: chocolate++
[11:26] <queery> haha
[11:26] <marcog> that's my vote ^
[11:27] <queery> well I know drubin like chocolate
[11:27] <queery> tumbleweed, any pref?
[11:27] <marcog> last time we had vanilla iirc
[11:28] <queery> yes
[11:28] <queery> ok fine choc it is
[11:28] <marcog> yay!
[11:28] <marcog> Maaz: forget karma for chocolate
[11:28] <Maaz> marcog: I'm not going to listen to you
[11:28] <marcog> Maaz: botslap
[11:28] <Maaz> sorry, marcog :(
[11:28] <queery> haha
[11:29] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[11:29] <queery> shame poor maaz
[11:29] <marcog> :P
[11:29] <Kilos> marcog, chown him
[11:40] <queery> cake ordered, tim for a silla
[12:58]  * tumbleweed can't bring the usual external hard drive I take to release parties
[12:58] <tumbleweed> does anyone have a SATA enclosure lying around? If I bring a disk, can we use it?
[12:59] <marcog> i *might* have one at home
[12:59] <marcog> remind me to check later tonight
[12:59] <tumbleweed> k
[13:04] <queery> what size drive?
[13:07] <tumbleweed> 100G is probably enough
[13:07] <tumbleweed> I think I've only got 250Gs lying around though
[13:10] <queery> no size as in enclosure you need
[13:10] <queery> in inces
[13:10] <queery> hehe
[13:10] <tumbleweed> that makes more sense :)
[13:10] <tumbleweed> 3.5"
[13:10] <queery> oh
[13:11] <tumbleweed> I have a 2.5" enclosure, but no disks
[13:11] <queery> i have one for the 2.5"
[13:11] <tumbleweed> (well s/enclosure/board/, there's no enclosing)
[13:11] <tumbleweed> I doubt they can deliver enough power
[13:12] <queery> haha ok
[13:18] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[13:18]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[13:23] <queery> Maaz, thanx
[13:23] <Maaz> queery: Sorry...
[13:23] <queery> Maaz, thank you
[13:23] <Maaz> queery: Sure
[15:22] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed looks like the counter is still working. it allowed me  to reguister again. ty
[15:35] <Kilos> ok matter of opinions. is in uncool to add a linux user number as a signature in your emails
[15:36] <Kilos> if not how do you add it?
[15:36] <Kilos> hehe
[15:36] <mazal> I have one in mine
[15:36] <mazal> If we are thinking of the same thing
[15:37] <Kilos> the little penguin with your number underneath?
[15:38] <mazal> Yep
[15:38] <mazal> You register on a site , I'm trying to find the addy now
[15:39] <Kilos> i have one mazal 
[15:39] <Kilos> actually 2 now. lost the first one
[15:39] <mazal> Oh ok , why you ask how to add it ?
[15:40] <Kilos> lol. i have no idea how to do it. didnt even know what a signature was in mails
[15:40] <Kilos> i am used to pushing a pen around if someone wants my signature
[15:41] <mazal> You just log in on their site and you download that pic of your number. Then you just add it to your signature
[15:42] <Kilos> some peeps complain. especially that sent from my blackberry one
[15:42] <Kilos> add it where?
[15:42] <mazal> What email reader you use ?
[15:43] <Kilos> evolution
[15:43] <Kilos> on maverick
[15:43] <mazal> edit - preferences - composer preferences
[15:43] <Kilos> or do you do it at gmail etc
[15:43] <mazal> signature tab
[15:44] <mazal> click add
[15:44] <mazal> Give it a name
[15:44] <mazal> edit it in the bottom window
[15:45] <mazal> You can add text and pics in the sig if you want
[15:45] <mazal> BUT , if you add pics the composer default for messages must be HTML
[15:45] <Kilos> do i just drag the pic there
[15:45] <Kilos> or copy pate
[15:45] <Kilos> paste
[15:46] <mazal> No there's a little button for "Insert image"
[15:46] <Kilos> oh no. seen the guys complain about html
[15:46] <mazal> Why ?
[15:48] <Kilos> i dunno. they dont like html mails i think
[15:48] <Kilos> mine is set to plain text
[15:48] <superfly> html e-mails are unnecessarily bloated
[15:48] <mazal> Way too much "complaining" in this ZA  community
[15:49] <superfly> your HTML is double the size of your actual message, and some mail clients don't properly support the fallback to text, so we all get a blank e-mail
[15:49] <Kilos> hehe so must i forget the signature pic superfly 
[15:49] <superfly> Kilos: just put some text... "Registered Linux user #123456"
[15:50]  * Kilos listens to the fly
[15:50] <mazal> Why use an email reader that can't handle html ?
[15:50] <Kilos> evolution can read them but i dont wanna upset others
[15:50] <superfly> mazal: because HTML e-mails are stupid
[15:50] <superfly> like I said, they bloat your e-mail by as much as 200%
[15:50] <mazal> It's not really that much bigger
[15:51] <Kilos> and hate wasting data 
[15:51] <mazal> So a let's say 6k message becomes 12k , that's not a big deal
[15:51] <superfly> mazal: ask kilos who has zero income and has to plead with his family to give him money for his GPRS connection
[15:52] <Kilos> yip. every k counts
[15:52] <superfly> he'll tell you how if you can cut down the amount of rubbish you put in your e-mail, he would certainly appreciate it
[15:52] <superfly> mazal: I have a 4Mbps uncapped connection, and I care enough to NOT send HTML e-mails
[15:54] <mazal> That reminds me , still need to check out uncapped ISP's
[15:55]  * superfly still needs to do his annual moan at the list to please stick to acceptable levels of netiquette
[15:56] <Kilos> top and bottom posting and trimming?
[15:56] <mazal> To the list I will only send txt then , if it will help out a fellow member
[15:56] <Kilos> ty mazal 
[15:56] <Kilos> there are others with data shortages too
[15:57] <Kilos> lotsa students
[15:57] <Kilos> and old peeps
[15:57] <Kilos> hehe
[15:58] <superfly> Kilos: yes, and HTML, etc
[15:59] <Kilos> that seems to be a never ending battle superfly 
[15:59] <Kilos> from when i first joined the lists
[15:59] <mazal> the trimming ?
[16:00] <Kilos> maybe explain it step for step inna mail and send to our list
[16:00] <Kilos> when there is a long thread
[16:00] <Kilos> lotsa answers and replies etc
[16:01] <Kilos> they end up rahter long
[16:01] <Kilos> rather
[16:02] <mazal> I think one has become so used to fast Inet with load of data that you don't even think about it
[16:02] <mazal> Long emails and big attachments has become normal
[16:03] <Kilos> for business yes. but not for a help list
[16:04] <mazal> In afr. we say "Mag van die gewoonte"
[16:04] <mazal> It causes one to not even think about it
[16:04] <Kilos> lol ja
[16:06] <Kilos> but is kinda irritating to get a request for help. then 20 try this before an answer comes up
[16:06] <mazal> so anybody have some info on exactly how late tommorow we will be able to DL 11.04 ?
[16:06] <Kilos> if you trim all thiose that didnt work and leave the request and you advice its muc cooler i think
[16:08] <superfly> mazal: apparently mirror.ac.za has not heard anything from Canonical yet
[16:08] <mazal> :(
[16:08] <mazal> I was hoping to get the DL's going tomorow morning very early
[16:09]  * superfly is running natty already
[16:09] <superfly> mazal: no, it'll only be available late in the afternoon
[16:09] <mazal> Hmmm , need to adjust planning then
[16:10] <mazal> Something has me very nervous for this one
[16:10] <tumbleweed> mazal: the release time isn't published in advance
[16:10] <tumbleweed> normally late afternoon
[16:13] <tumbleweed> aww, #ubuntu-release-party is still tiny
[16:13] <drubin> before upgrading to natty I need to format my machine.... which is more of a mission then it is worth
[16:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: it'll probably surge tomorrow, and then the fun will begin
[16:14] <mazal> drubin, yeah I'm gonna do the same
[16:14] <tumbleweed> hell, yes
[16:14] <tumbleweed> but it does already have lively discussion
[16:14] <mazal> Once each year , every LTS
[16:14] <tumbleweed> LTSs are every 2 years
[16:14] <mazal> Not the last two
[16:14] <mazal> 10 04 was last year april
[16:14] <drubin> mazal: no generally you never need to.. but my partioning is messed
[16:15] <drubin> and gparted can't resize and machine is generally not happy
[16:15] <mazal> drubin, I like to do it just to get everything clean again
[16:16] <tumbleweed> mazal: yes, and 11.04 isn't an LTS
[16:16] <mazal> It's not ? ag no
[16:16] <mazal> But still 18 months supported yes ?
[16:16] <tumbleweed> it's got a pretty experimentally new desktop, be thankful it isn't an LTS :)
[16:16] <tumbleweed> yes
[16:17] <tumbleweed> LTS = 10 years
[16:17] <superfly> mazal: the only time I care about LTS is when it's on my servers
[16:17] <tumbleweed> err 5
[16:17] <mazal> Then I think I should bother with the server now
[16:17] <superfly> desktops I upgrade every release
[16:17] <mazal> shouldn't even
[16:18] <tumbleweed> mazal: yeah, LTS makes sense for servers (or debian) :)
[16:18] <mazal> My current one is 10.10
[16:18] <mazal> I will leave that till next year then
[16:19] <tumbleweed> no, you have to upgrade through natty
[16:19] <mazal> I will re-install , bot upgrade
[16:19] <mazal> I never upgrade
[16:19] <tumbleweed> I only upgrade
[16:19] <mazal> not even , shees learn to speel fool
[16:20] <mazal> Don't you get many issues with OS level upgrades ?
[16:20] <tumbleweed> no, because I use Debian & Ubuntu, not Windows :)
[16:20] <mazal> LOL
[16:20] <tumbleweed> my laptop runs devolpment oubuntu releases and gets upgraded every morning
[16:21] <superfly> yeah, I upgraded my desktop to natty beta 1, and it's been 100% stable
[16:21] <mazal> Normal updates I do , but when it comes to a whole version upgrade I prefer re-install
[16:21] <superfly> mazal: no need to
[16:21] <superfly> that's just a waste of time and effort
[16:21] <tumbleweed> (assuming you haven't broken it)
[16:21] <superfly> leave your windows mentality with windows
[16:21] <mazal> hmm
[16:22] <mazal> Well I must this time , going back to 32-bit and currently am on 64-bit
[16:22] <superfly> mazal: what's wrong with 64bit?
[16:23] <mazal> I find it having problems
[16:23] <tumbleweed> odd move. natty is starting to support multi-arch, in oneric, you should be able to run just about any 32 bit program without ia32-libs (I hope)
[16:23] <mazal> Whenever I have strange software problems it's always on the 64bit install
[16:24] <mazal> That's one reason
[16:24] <mazal> The other is I make custom iso of my system frequently , then I can't install it on any other pc if it's not also 64bit
[16:24] <tumbleweed> it's hard to find hardware that isn't these days
[16:25] <mazal> Not here , all our work machines are still 32bit
[16:25] <mazal> And some friends have 32bit laptops
[16:26] <mazal> Maybe I should take a different route
[16:27] <mazal> Build both
[16:29] <tumbleweed> I think almost everything bought in the last 5 years is compatible
[16:31]  * superfly can't remember having any issues with running 32-bit stuff on his 64-bit machine
[16:31] <mazal> That tells you how old our stuff is at work , 2006 P4's :( Horrible
[16:32] <mazal> If I can just get back my trust in 64bit
[16:32] <superfly> mazal: my wife's 2006 P4 only just gave in - and that was the motherboard, actually, not the processor
[16:33] <mazal> Maybe it's just coincidence that the most problems I had yet was on this 64bit install
[16:33] <mazal> Maybe it's not the 64bit , but something else
[16:34] <tumbleweed> superfly: the best way to avoid 64bit issues is to avoid proprietory software
[16:34] <tumbleweed> I've been very happy with amd64 for years (and flash has always been buggy as hell)
[16:36] <superfly> tumbleweed: that's probably why I haven't run into issues
[16:37] <mazal> Coming back to the upgrading , so you boot the new cd and choose the "upgrade" option. You never re-install ?
[16:37]  * tumbleweed got rid of proprietory nvidia drivers last night, \o/ nouveau ftw
[16:37] <mazal> But then you must upgrade EVERY new version
[16:37] <tumbleweed> mazal: or LTS-to-LTS
[16:38] <superfly> mazal: well, you can just stick the new CD in, and run the "cdromupgrade" script
[16:38] <mazal> Think I'm gonna give that a go this year. New install now and then upgrade October
[16:38] <superfly> or, if you have enough bandwidth, you can do it straight off the internet
[16:39] <mazal> My biggest gripe with re-install is the huge amount of software that must be downloaded
[16:39] <mazal> superfly , my line is too slow for that
[16:40] <tumbleweed> upgrades will also involve huge amounts of downloading
[16:40] <superfly> mazal: well, the setup and configuration part of my upgrade actually took twice as long as the download portion, and I downloaded 4.4 gigs of stuff
[16:43] <Kilos> dont you need the alternate cd to do upgrades?
[16:43] <superfly> yes
[16:44] <Kilos> mazal, you see that
[16:44] <Kilos> download the right one
[16:44] <mazal> Yeah , can the alternate cd do a fresh install as well or just upgrade ?
[16:44] <Kilos> get the link from the fly
[16:44] <marcog> tumbleweed: nouveau, is this new?
[16:45] <tumbleweed> marcog: not particularly
[16:45] <tumbleweed> but I haven't looked at it in a year or so, and it now supports both my monitors. Before it only saw one of them
[16:46] <marcog> is it worth trying out?
[16:46] <superfly> mazal: yes
[16:46] <tumbleweed> marcog: if you aren't playing 3D games
[16:46] <tumbleweed> or using CUDA
[16:46] <marcog> tumbleweed: me games? doesn't happen
[16:47] <tumbleweed> althoguh it does have some 3d accelleration
[16:47] <tumbleweed> the XV support is way better than nvidia, it actually syncs frames to the output :P
[16:47] <mazal> So one should always DL the alternate cd , then you can fresh install or upgrade
[16:47] <Kilos> yip
[16:47] <tumbleweed> mazal: alternate CD is slower to install, and isn't live
[16:47] <tumbleweed> the installer is also text-based
[16:48] <tumbleweed> (and very powerful)
[16:48] <mazal> Don't mind that , used to it with the server installs
[16:53] <mazal> Cheers all , have a good evening
[18:14] <queery> bye
[19:42] <Kilos> lo nlsthzn 
[19:43] <Kilos> though you were locked up
[19:43] <Kilos> thought
[19:43] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hey Uncle Kilos... locked up?
[19:43] <Kilos> yeah are they rioting there
[19:43] <nlsthzn> in the UAE?
[19:43] <Kilos> oh hasnt it got there yet
[19:43] <Kilos> thats good
[19:44] <nlsthzn> :) read the blog... awesome story
[19:44] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <Kilos> fool i was
[19:45] <Kilos> did you go to the site?
[19:46] <Kilos> all family pics there and some music
[19:46] <nlsthzn> no... only the blog so far... so little time :(
[19:46] <Kilos> yeah there never enough time till you too old to need it
[19:47] <Kilos> then theres too much
[19:47] <nlsthzn> Sucks
[19:47] <Kilos> lol
[19:47] <Kilos> keeps life interesting
[20:01]  * rverrips waves
[20:01] <nlsthzn> :p
[20:05] <Kilos> hi rverrips 
[20:05] <rverrips> Hi K' - Howzit?
[20:05] <Kilos> nlsthzn,  you got patience hey. ook months to blog all of that
[20:06] <Kilos> good ty
[20:06] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Only took a few hours... and that was reading slowly... you write well :)
[20:06] <rverrips> nlsthzn - What blog is Kilo referring to?
[20:06] <Kilos> oh ty
[20:07] <Kilos> lol. my kinda life story rverrips 
[20:07] <Kilos> and how i got to ubuntu
[20:07] <Kilos> and the help i got here
[20:08] <rverrips> what's the address?  
[20:08] <Kilos> Maaz, kilos.blog
[20:08] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[20:09] <nlsthzn> let me get ready for some sleepy time... cheers all
[20:09] <Kilos> sleep tight nlsthzn 
[20:10] <Kilos> hi stegreen welcome
[20:11] <stegreen> hi there thanks for the welcome
[20:12] <Kilos> where are you and are you using ubuntu?
[20:12] <Kilos> sorry rverrips i didnt welcome you too
[20:12] <Kilos> dunno who is new and who isn
[20:12] <Kilos> isnt
[20:13] <stegreen> I am from Johannesburg SA - been using ubuntu since Warty Warthog...now on Lucid
[20:13] <rverrips> I've  been a round a while Kilos ... no worries ... 
[20:13] <Kilos> great
[20:14] <Kilos> yeah i been on and off so dunno who i missed
[20:14] <stegreen> eventually decided to get more involved and start making a contribution :-)
[20:14] <Kilos> great
[20:14] <Kilos> you just in time for the new release tomorrow
[20:14] <rverrips> I'm now in Dubai (used to be in Hartbeespoort) - Been on Ubuntu since Warty
[20:15] <Kilos> wow and nlsthzn is in uae
[20:15] <rverrips> Anyone here on diaspora?
[20:15] <stegreen> been looking at the za loco site - the guys in cpt seem to be really active...when and where do they guys get together here in Jhb
[20:16] <Kilos> the glug guys
[20:16] <Kilos> must be someone here
[20:17] <Kilos> the cape guys are really active
[20:17] <stegreen> where are you based Kilos
[20:18] <Kilos> in pretoria
[20:18] <Kilos> just outside pta actually on the way to brits
[20:19] <stegreen> nice...in the country. I am in 4ways right in the heart of the city
[20:19] <Kilos> ah
[20:19] <Kilos> i get horribly lost in jhb
[20:20] <stegreen> lol...I feel that way about pta
[20:20] <Kilos> only road i know is the n3 past to durbs
[20:26] <stegreen> anyone using 10.10 yet?
[20:28] <Kilos> yes
[20:28] <Kilos> its great
[20:28] <stegreen> i tried it with my netbook...not sure I like unity  yet
[20:28] <Kilos> thats 11.04
[20:28] <Kilos> maverick is great
[20:29] <Kilos> but some of the guys are using 11.04 already
[20:29] <Kilos> 10.10 is still gnome
[20:30] <stegreen> interesting...I was sure it was 10.10 I was using...just checking
[20:31] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu releases
[20:31] <Maaz> Kilos: ubuntu releases are 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog), 5.10 (Breezy Badger), 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), 6.10 (Edgy Eft), 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat), 11.04 (Natty Narwhal), 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot)
[20:31] <stegreen> I am running maverick on my netbook with unity interface, but I see it still has gnome listed
[20:32] <Kilos> ah
[20:32] <Kilos> you musta installed it
[20:32] <Kilos> i see unity in synaptic
[20:32] <Kilos> but the default is gnome
[20:33] <stegreen> i guess...will play around a little now and see what I turned on
[20:33] <Kilos> lol
[20:37] <nlsthzn> in 10.10 unity is basically the netbook remix... not nearly the same as the Unity you will get with 11.04
[20:37] <Kilos> ah
[20:38] <stegreen> I think the interface works well perhaps for touch based devices...but I am using the netbook remix version now and think there is still some work needed from a performance perspective (not speed) but UI
[21:08] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight