[02:08] <jcastro> kenvandine: around?
[02:34] <TheMuso> c
[02:41] <Omega> When can we start seeding the ISOs?
[03:23] <Mitchell-92> Hey... anyone here? I had a question... what are the benefits of unity over gnome 3?
[03:24] <Mitchell-92> hey hyperair ... what are the benefits of unity over gnome 3?
[03:25] <hyperair> Mitchell-92: it looks nice and pretty, and it uses compiz.
[03:25] <Mitchell-92> How is the functionality compared to gnome 3, and the stability?
[03:25] <RAOF> Indicators are pretty cool; the global menu and undecorated maximised windows gains quite a lot of extra vertical space.
[03:25] <Mitchell-92> Does it have things like those instant message indicators on the bottom of the screen that go away, like gnome 3 has?
[03:26] <hyperair> functionality wise, i haven't tried gnome3
[03:26] <hyperair> i mean it's very much better than gnome shell from some months ago
[03:27] <Mitchell-92> Is the performance any slower? I plan on installing it on my netbook which was previously running mint.
[03:27] <hyperair> Mitchell-92: nah, performance is just fine
[03:27] <hyperair> the same as ol compiz.
[03:27] <Mitchell-92> ok
[03:28] <Mitchell-92> Will it run fast on a dual core atom @ 1.6Ghz with 2GB of RAM and 128MB Intel graphics?
[03:29] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:29] <hyperair> Mitchell-92: oh i should probably mention, unity leaks memory.
[03:29] <Mitchell-92> Okay. Will that be fixed?
[03:29] <hyperair> Mitchell-92: like almost every other application that has been touched by canonical
[03:29] <Mitchell-92> Ok.
[03:29] <hyperair> ask smspillaz
[03:29] <RAOF> Particularly: if you've tried the Netbook edition in 10.10, you'll find Unity *substantially* snappier.
[03:30] <Mitchell-92> So the Netbook edition of 10.10 is better than the one that's coming out tomorrow?
[03:33] <Mitchell-92> RAOF: what time tomorrow will the new version come out?
[03:33] <RAOF> No; the netbook edition of 10.10 is substantially worse than the one thats' coming out tomorrow :)
[03:34] <Mitchell-92> ok
[03:34] <RAOF> Mitchell-92: Some time! :)
[03:34] <Mitchell-92> Like when.. morning?
[03:34] <RAOF> When everything's ready.
[03:35] <Mitchell-92> Okay.
[03:35] <Mitchell-92> I have another laptop running Windows 7, I like to hook it up to the HD TV and use it in bed with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, should I be able to do that with 11.04?
[03:35] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:36] <Mitchell-92> Ok. I've gotta go now... it's getting late.
[03:36] <Mitchell-92> Bye.
[04:12] <hyperair> RAOF: something in unity is capturing ctrl+alt+r, but i can't figure out what. do you know what it is?
[04:12] <hyperair> it's really annoying since i use it for emacs =\
[04:50] <spikeb> that's far too simple to be an emacs keybinding!
[07:48] <didrocks> good morning
[08:01] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:18] <zniavre> good morning
[08:18] <zniavre> im looking for the soft causes this bug please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/772008   i sthat unity, nux or gnome-panel ?
[08:20] <MacSlow> hi there people
[11:09] <Mitchell-92> Hey... have a question... prepared to install Ubuntu over another distro on all my computers... does Unity have a similar workspace feature as Gnome does?
[11:42] <RAOF> Mitchell-92: Yes.  Same as regular Compiz.
[11:43]  * spikeb updates his installation media from beta 2 to final
[12:51] <spikeb> i really wish things not pinned to the launcher would remember their last position anyway
[12:57] <didrocks> nattyb: I saw this bug report, it's an interesting idea I think
[12:58] <nattyb> didrocks, cool
[13:03] <end_user_> how can I restore the Main Menu (see control panel of the same name) to Unity?
[13:52] <rsajdok> Is it possible to get name of Trash that is independent of language? https://code.launchpad.net/~ris/unity-2d/fix-692444/+merge/57944
[13:57] <kaleo> rsajdok: hey!
[13:57] <kaleo> rsajdok: (I did the review ;))
[14:01] <rsajdok> kaleo: yes, I know :)
[14:01] <kaleo> rsajdok: I looked in a few places and did not find a way
[14:01] <kaleo> rsajdok: BAMF does not have anything, WNCK neither
[14:06] <rsajdok> kaleo: maybe that: QString::compare(_("Trash"), windowName, Qt::CaseSensitive
[14:08] <kaleo> rsajdok: makes sense!
[14:08] <kaleo> rsajdok: but you would need to be a little sneakier about it
[14:08] <kaleo> rsajdok: it needs to have the right translation domain
[14:08] <kaleo> rsajdok: by default if you use _() it will have 'unity-2d'
[14:09] <kaleo> rsajdok: but the right translation domain is probably something along the lines of 'nautilus'
[14:11] <end_user_> Is there any way to access the Main Menu and its contents any longer?
[14:38] <Gibletz> Hi guys.
[14:38] <Gibletz> Anyone getting issues with installing 11.04 in Wubi from Windows 7?
[14:38] <Gibletz> And nevermind, it just worked.
[14:38] <Gibletz> brb. lmao
[14:50] <tedg> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600273/
[14:51] <kenvandine> tedg, i haven't seen that
[14:51] <kenvandine> tedg, does it still work?
[14:52] <tedg> kenvandine, No, stops there for ever and ever
[14:53] <tedg> It's like it's loading dbusmenu twice.
[14:54] <kenvandine> interesting
[14:54] <kenvandine> it has to be related to the quicklists and libunity
[14:54] <kenvandine> that is the only thing that uses GI
[14:54] <tedg> Hmm it must be that I branched dbusmenu.
[14:54] <kenvandine> haha !
[14:55] <tedg> So they're linked to a different version.
[14:55] <tedg> That's very annoying.
[14:55] <kenvandine> indeed :)
[14:55]  * kenvandine does the not a bug dance
[14:56] <tedg> It basically means that all the effort that the Debian people have put into having libraries parallel installable for different version is totally destroyed by GObject introspection.
[14:56] <kenvandine> talk about annoying, 4:30pm yesterday i found that facebook "fixed" the default set of permissions set by apps using the graph API
[14:56] <kenvandine> which exposed a bug in gwibber :(
[14:56] <tedg> Ah, nice.  Love those guys.
[14:56] <kenvandine> to be fair, i had broken gwibber
[14:56] <kenvandine> but it still worked fine because facebook was broken too :)
[14:58] <tedg> Heh, it turns out two wrongs do make a right!
[14:59] <kenvandine> tedg, true :)
[15:04] <Elie-Tucan> Hi everyone, could someone point me to the mono icons guidelines please, I can't find them ?
[15:06] <kamstrup> tedg: well, it means that two incompatible versions of libs needs to have their own distinct .gir files
[15:07] <tedg> kamstrup, Well, not really.  Since the dbusmenu on is pulling in libdbusmenu.4 and the libunity one is pulling in libdbusmenu.3
[15:07] <tedg> kamstrup, So the conflict is traveling through libunity
[15:08] <tedg> chaotic, ^
[15:08] <kamstrup> tedg: ah, that way around
[15:08] <tedg> chaotic, On icons
[15:09] <tedg> kamstrup, The problem basically comes from libraries linking to libraries.  I'm not sure of a clean way to solve it.
[15:10] <tedg> kamstrup, Seems like it'd almost need to be solved in the linker
[15:10] <tedg> kamstrup, Or at least there should be a warning ther.
[15:12] <kamstrup> tedg: not even sure how the linker would resolve this... the only thing that makes sense is to terminate the process with some clear warning
[15:13] <tedg> kamstrup, Sorry, not linker, loader
[15:13] <tedg> Runtime detection and segfault maybe.  Then we'd get an apport backtrace at least.
[15:14] <kamstrup> tedg: ah right - the typelib loader could detect this, but still the only meaningful action is to exit(ESYSTEMB0RKED)
[15:15] <tedg> kamstrup, I actually wasn't thinking typelib loader level.  Like kernel level.  So even people who used C to bring them both in...
[15:15] <tedg> kamstrup, It'd make errors with extensions and the such show up as well.
[15:18] <kamstrup> tedg: hmm, I guess this wont fly in general as there is nothing stopping for writing some "clever" code that could work with two different ABI versions of the same lib figuring it out at runtime. In fact I am willing to bet that there is some proprietary code out there that does this already
[15:19] <tedg> kamstrup, I'm willing to break proprietary code ;-)
[15:19] <tedg> kamstrup, Yeah, I think it'd have to be a warning.
[15:20] <tedg> kamstrup, Have you messed with PyGI much?  I'm getting a weird error looking at El Loco...
[15:21] <kamstrup> tedg: some messing around yes :-)
[15:21] <tedg> kamstrup, It seems to not be subclassing the GTK objects.  Like trying to call a GtkContainer function on a GtkWindow.
[15:21] <tedg> kamstrup, That should happen automagically, right?
[15:21] <rightside> Hi, is it true, that Unity Launcher can't appear on the right side?
[15:23] <kamstrup> tedg: right, my understanding is that this should just work
[15:24] <AndreaAzzarone> Happy Release Day! :)
[15:26] <kamstrup> AndreaAzzarone: back at you :-) You contributions are about to hit millions of users - I hope you're confident :-D
[15:26] <kamstrup> rightside: i'm afraid so
[15:27] <AndreaAzzarone> kamstrup, My work is nothing compared to your! :)
[15:27] <rightside> Bad thing, I've to use classic Ubuntu until there will be a solution.
[15:27] <akshatj> The legendary man AndreaAzzarone is here! :D
[15:27] <kamstrup> tedg: a GtkWindow *is* a GtkContainer, so calling container ftcs on a window shouldn't be a problem..?
[15:29] <rsajdok> kaleo: I think I solved this problem :)
[15:29] <AndreaAzzarone> akshatj, I've been here a long time :)
[15:29] <kaleo> rsajdok: ah?
[15:29] <kaleo> rsajdok: how? :)
[15:29] <tedg> kamstrup, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600294/
[15:30] <tedg> kamstrup, What's weird is that it's a "Window" vs. a "Gtk.Container"  -- I'm not sure why one has the "Gtk" and the other doesn't.
[15:30] <kamstrup> tedg: so you're reimplementing unity in PyGI? ;-)
[15:31] <tedg> kamstrup, No, trying to get seiflotfy's El Loco to run.  It needed libchamplaingtk bindings that weren't available, so I thought it'd be easier to go the PyGI route and improve it overall.... not going well :-(
[15:32] <rsajdok> kaleo: QString::compare(u2dTr("Trash"), windowName, Qt::CaseSensitive);
[15:32] <rsajdok> kaleo: I works in polish language
[15:33] <kamstrup> tedg: El Loco... is that some new hawtnes that has escaped my eyes?
[15:34] <tedg> kamstrup, Oh, man, it's CRAZY.  It's infact so crazy it's in the name!
[15:34] <Elie-Tucan> Could someone point me to the mono icons guidelines please, I can't find them ?
[15:34] <rsajdok> kaleo:
[15:34] <rsajdok> kaleo: *it
[15:36] <rsajdok> kaleo: I will make new patch in a few minutes.
[15:37] <kaleo> rsajdok: wait a sec
[15:37] <kaleo> rsajdok: I am afraid it's quite risky for the reason I gave earlier
[15:37] <kaleo> rsajdok: u2dTr will use the translations from Unity 2D
[15:37] <kaleo> rsajdok: wereas the name of the window is coming from Nautilus
[15:38] <kaleo> rsajdok: it works in Polish probably because 1) Unity 2D happens to be translated in Polish 2) The translations in Unity 2D and Nautilus happen to be matching
[15:38] <seiflotfy> tedg, i am very disapointed u missed on ellocco
[15:38] <seiflotfy> i mean kamstrup î am disapointed in you
[15:38] <seiflotfy> how could you miss ellocco
[15:39] <kaleo> rsajdok: u2dTr accepts a second parameter which is the translation domain
[15:39] <seiflotfy> kamstrup, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yryv4wB4lW4
[15:40] <kaleo> rsajdok: Nautilus has: configure.in:GETTEXT_PACKAGE=nautilus
[15:40] <kaleo> rsajdok: so, QString::compare(u2dTr("Trash", "nautilus"), windowName, Qt::CaseSensitive); would be more reliable
[15:45] <rsajdok> kaleo: Well, but Why in another place in code this is not used, empty->setText(u2dTr("Empty Trash"));
[15:46] <kaleo> rsajdok: because in that case "Empty Trash" is a string specific to Unity 2D, that is defined in and for Unity 2D
[15:46] <kaleo> rsajdok: your case is extremely special
[15:47] <rsajdok> kaleo: ok, now I understand :)
[15:48] <kaleo> rsajdok: :)
[15:48] <kaleo> rsajdok: you embarked for a very _special_ adventure :)
[15:52] <tanzanux> how can I change the background color of the Unity Dash?
[15:53] <lamalex> didrocks, don't you use a netbook often?
[15:53] <didrocks> lamalex: depends, sometimes yeah… I use it at UDS and when moving
[15:53] <didrocks> why?
[15:54] <rsajdok> kaleo: but I am not alone :)
[15:55] <lamalex> didrocks, ever see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/761280
[15:56] <didrocks> lamalex: hum, no, not that.
[15:56] <didrocks> lamalex: sometimes, I get some where the titlebar is under the panel
[15:57] <didrocks> (because the window is too big)
[15:57] <didrocks> but never saw that
[15:57] <lamalex> compiz does so many crazy unpredictable things
[15:57] <lamalex> ugh
[15:57] <lamalex> it's a qa nightmare
[15:58] <spikeb> complain to smspillaz, he's responsible for it :P
[15:59] <didrocks> lamalex: btw, speaking of compiz, we should decide to triage the compiz bugs soon :-)
[15:59] <didrocks> lamalex: the nightmare is only starting!
[16:00] <didrocks> lamalex: I'm picking important incoming ones as for unity, but the state of bugs in it is pretty bad :/
[16:00] <lamalex> ugh.
[16:00]  * spikeb hasn't been able to successfully make compiz+unity play nice with a certain wine app yet
[16:00] <lamalex> professional triager was not what i was hired to do :
[16:01] <spikeb> you got into software development didn't you? first mistake :P
[16:01] <lamalex> i knew i should have switching to geology sophmore year
[16:01] <spikeb> hehe
[16:01] <lamalex> i could be in grad school doing geophysics right now
[16:02] <lamalex> at least i'll always have that philosophy degree to fall back on
[16:02] <lamalex> oh wait, ugh
[16:02] <spikeb> haha
[16:25] <and471> dbarth, ping
[16:26] <Elie-Tucan> Could someone point me to the mono icons guidelines please, I can't find them ?
[16:34] <tedg> chaotic, danyR, Can one of you guys help Elie-Tucan?  ^
[16:34] <Elie-Tucan> Thanks tedg
[16:34] <Elie-Tucan> I've been looking everywhere, we want to do some for Tucan
[16:35] <danyR> tedg: I think you meant DanRabbit, who currently isn't around. (most common confusion on IRC i've ever seen :)
[16:36] <tedg> danyR, Ah, yes I did.  Sorry, I thought he'd shortened his nick.
[16:37] <danyR> tedg: oh, no problem. but about Elie-Tucan question, I've searched around a while ago, even asked on IRC, and I found nothing ('till that date)
[16:37] <Elie-Tucan> Ok so maybe there aren't ? just copy some existing one ?
[16:37] <and471> Elie-Tucan, I would guess they could be on the canonical design blog
[16:38] <and471> Elie-Tucan, in the toolkit section
[16:38] <and471> Elie-Tucan, otherwise I know there are some for elementary icons
[16:38] <and471> Elie-Tucan, which are in https://code.launchpad.net/~elementarydesign/+junk/mockups
[16:38] <Elie-Tucan> Thanks and471
[16:38] <and471> Elie-Tucan, np :)
[16:42] <danyR> Elie-Tucan: http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2dous4 in fact, they're available only (elementary ones). ubuntu-mono was recentely redesigned to fit in with elementary's style, so I guess it's a mere change of colors
[16:43] <Elie-Tucan> Thanks danyR, there's the same file in and471 link
[16:43] <Elie-Tucan> I'll do with that
[16:44] <Elie-Tucan> Thank you guys, see you
[17:08] <chaotic> can you guys see this google doc: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/Doc?docid=0AcHH70Z53XXJZGM2NDdkMnpfOWNoNXhjMmNk&hl=en
[17:08] <chaotic> original mono guidelines
[17:09] <davidcalle> chaotic, no. Not public.
[17:10] <chaotic> hmmm
[17:29] <JanC> almost everybody I know has changed the launcher icon size to 32, that might be something to keep in mind for future design/development...  ;)
[17:29] <spikeb> i only changed it on the netbooks
[17:30]  * alecu loves the icon at 48, even on a 11,6" screen
[17:30]  * alecu had an autohiding 48px gnome panel with icons on the left for years before unity, though :-)
[17:31] <spikeb> i hate hiding of any type, first thing i did was turn that off heh
[17:31] <christip> I did it just like spikeb only on the netbook. I like having big visible buttons at 48px on my desktop (dual-monitor)
[17:35] <AndreaAzzarone> what about an option to put the destkop icons on the right?
[17:37] <AndreaAzzarone> i really hate the dektop icons on the left with unity launcher
[17:38] <AndreaAzzarone> too much fuss!
[17:57]  * spikeb just noticed that ubuntu.com refers to the launcher and dash as "whizzy"
[18:17] <OverTheHillAndFa> hi im having trouble getting unity load automatically at login.. i used unity-2d due to driver problems. now it is resolved. and i went back to the standard session in natty. but now both standard unity and unity-2d loaded together overlaying eachother. so i uninstalled unity-2d. now i am only able to load unity from terminal after login. can you help me fix this?
[18:19] <OverTheHillAndFa> also when i start unity in terminal gnome is also running
[18:34] <OverTheHillAndFa> anyone?
[18:39] <Karl_> jk
[18:39] <Karl_> hello
[18:39] <Karl_> guys
[18:39] <Karl_> umm I cant run Unity
[18:40] <Karl_> I just upgraded to 11.04 and it says I have to use classic mode
[18:40] <Daekdroom> He left too soon :p
[18:41] <spikeb> yeah i was about to ask him if he checked to make sure he didn't need video drivers
[18:41] <OverTheHillAndFa> ?
[18:42] <AndreaAzzarone> nvidia?
[18:42] <OverTheHillAndFa> drivers is ok
[18:42] <OverTheHillAndFa> driver
[18:43] <OverTheHillAndFa> unity works but it will not load when i login with a standard Ubuntu session (the one that should load unity)
[18:44] <spikeb> strange.
[18:44] <OverTheHillAndFa> did you read my above explanation?
[18:45] <OverTheHillAndFa> im having trouble getting unity load automatically at login.. i used unity-2d due to driver problems. now it is resolved. and i went back to the standard session in natty. but now both standard unity and unity-2d loaded together overlaying eachother. so i uninstalled unity-2d. now i am only able to load unity from terminal after login.
[18:46] <OverTheHillAndFa> is there a place to edit how sessions is loaded?
[18:47] <OverTheHillAndFa> i wonder why uninstalling unity-2d should mess up standard unity
[18:48] <OverTheHillAndFa> or the session if that is more correct
[18:57] <jcastro> didrocks: ok so what's the plan wrt. the lenses on launch fix, you're going to do like one SRU with a bunch of stuff or ... ?
[18:58] <didrocks> jcastro: the plan is first to discuss that with neil (we have already a pending sru for nux and unity in -proposed). But Neil is away until next Monday
[19:00] <OverTheHillAndFa> is this a developers only channel? if so please tell me so i dont have to spend all my time waiting for help that i will not get
[19:00] <jcastro> didrocks: oh ok
[19:01] <jcastro> OverTheHillAndFa: yeah this is for ayatana and unity development
[19:01] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: it's more a developer channel and we are really not good at support, indeed. Was #ubuntu unable to answer you?
[19:01] <OverTheHillAndFa> i have made several tries yes
[19:01] <jcastro> OverTheHillAndFa: each session should be seperate
[19:01] <jcastro> I have both installed and just switch between them in gdm on login
[19:01] <OverTheHillAndFa> and in the norewgian ubuntu channel aswell
[19:02] <OverTheHillAndFa> they sent me here
[19:02] <didrocks> dinner timer, bbl
[19:04] <OverTheHillAndFa> jcastro: i also tried to reinstall Unity with no luck. Problem is that i only get gdm through login
[19:16] <danyR> hey guys. my files lens isn't filtering as I write, while the apps one is. any ideas?
[19:23] <spikeb> works for me(TM)
[19:51] <nhaines> Congratulations to everyone, really.  Unity is beautiful.  :D
[20:04] <kaleo> nhaines: thanks
[20:21] <Rhonda> Hey. I wonder if I could interest someone to get the ubuntu website design applied to packages.ubuntu.com :)
[20:47] <aaaantoine> hello, I would like to submit some design ideas for Unity.  I've outlined them in diagram form.
[20:48] <aaaantoine> uh, where's the best place to submit this diagram? :)
[20:55] <AndreaAzzarone> maybe ayatana mailing list?
[20:59] <Saamm> I got a software center problem...Chromium rating is 102 but it only shows 1....http://i.imgur.com/Nhgpn.png
[21:09] <OverTheHillAndFa> anyone able to help me now?
[21:11] <OverTheHillAndFa> what does it take to get unity load at login. i have tried unity --reset without luck.
[21:13] <jamalta> OverTheHillAndFa: I think you might be able to find more people who can help in #ubuntu+1..
[21:14] <jamalta> At least, there's more people who are active in there :)
[21:15] <nhaines> jamalta: it's not +1 anymore, right?  :)
[21:15] <nhaines> OverTheHillAndFa: what happens if you run /usr/lib/nux/unity-support-test -p
[21:16] <jamalta> nhaines: oh right! i almost forgot about that, and i'm even planning to go to a release party. silly me.
[21:16] <nhaines> jamalta: :D
[21:17] <nhaines> tedg: congrats on Ubuntu 11.04 and good job with Unity!  :D
[21:18] <jamalta> I have a question... are there any plans to replace the static application switcher with something Unity related for alt+tab?
[21:19] <nhaines> jamalta: plans for 11.10 will be decided at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in two weeks.
[21:19] <nhaines> jamalta: you can bring any good ideas for the application switcher to UDS and get feedback.  :)  http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[21:21] <meshuggah_> hello
[21:21] <jamalta> nhaines: Ah, ok :) that makes sense.. I'll keep an eye on it. I have no specific ideas for it, I was just curious because I was going to muck around with it.
[21:21] <jamalta> I'll keep an eye on the discussions at UDS though.
[21:21] <jamalta> Thanks :)
[21:22] <meshuggah_> Can someone help me? I have been using unity for 2 days now and I'd like the window buttons (close,minimize etc) to be at the right. thx
[21:24] <OverTheHillAndFa> nhaines: -no such file or dir
[21:24] <tedg> nhaines, Thanks!
[21:25] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: you need that files
[21:25] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: ensure you have nux-tools installed
[21:26] <meshuggah_> :(
[21:26] <OverTheHillAndFa> ok.. but i know the driver is compatible if that is what you wonder. ok ill check nux
[21:27] <OverTheHillAndFa> nux-tools is installed
[21:29] <meshuggah_> can somebody please help me?
[21:30] <meshuggah_> "no" would also be ok
[21:30] <OverTheHillAndFa> i tried unity --replace and it started unity.. will log out to see if it is a permanent change
[21:31] <tedg> meshuggah_, The buttons need to be on the left so that they're in the same location on the panel when the app is maximized.  There's a way to move them on the windows, but I honestly don't remember how to anymore.
[21:35] <meshuggah_> ok seems like I'll have to get used to it. thanks. also, I can't modify the upper panel with when I right click it it shows no menu with "add to panel" and such.
[21:36] <nhaines> meshuggah_: I really recommend getting used to it.  It takes about two days before it starts feeling natural.  But you can move them: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[21:37] <nhaines> meshuggah_: the Unity panel is no longer customizable.  This was announced at the beginning of 2010, just before 10.04 LTS came out.
[21:38] <meshuggah_> ok thanks.
[21:39] <OverTheHillAndFa> nhaines: do you have any other ideas?
[21:39] <nhaines> meshuggah_: yup, this is the release where they finally locked it down.  The plus side is that the indicator applets on the top right are really nice.
[21:40] <Rhonda> hmm
[21:40] <nhaines> OverTheHillAndFa: yes, I was rushing to lunch and used -'s instead of _'s and I apologize.
[21:40] <nhaines> Try '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p'
[21:41] <OverTheHillAndFa> http://pastebin.com/p6VDfpyw
[21:41] <didrocks> Not blacklisted:          no
[21:42] <didrocks> your card is blacklisted
[21:42] <OverTheHillAndFa> there seems to be some sort of problem
[21:42] <didrocks> and yeah, I blacklisted 7300 a week ago
[21:42] <didrocks> people were experiencing freeze at startup with that one
[21:42] <didrocks> and the proprieratery driver
[21:43] <OverTheHillAndFa> hm.. but it kind of worked before i uninstalled unity-2d. exept that choosing Ubuntu in loginscreen gave both Unity-2d and 3d in ovelay
[21:43] <didrocks> look at bug #728745
[21:43] <didrocks> all the description, the why, the workaround is in here
[21:44] <OverTheHillAndFa> can i unblacklist it to test
[21:44] <OverTheHillAndFa> ok
[21:44] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: it's in the bug
[21:44] <didrocks> I added an env variable for that
[21:44] <didrocks> and explained how to do this
[21:44] <didrocks> some people are using the workaround + the current nvidia driver it seems
[21:47] <OverTheHillAndFa> the freezing behavour i experienced before. but now there was a older driver (173) present in the proprietary driver list i enabled that and everything seemed to work fine. exep as mentioned both 2d-and 3d got loaded simultaeous
[21:49] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: right, but most of people are enabling the 270 driver, hence the blacklist. The fix should go in the 270 driver as well to prevent people enabling that
[21:49] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: did you try my workaround to enable the check and not fallback?
[21:49] <didrocks> then choose the "ubuntu" session
[21:50] <didrocks> it shouldn't launch unity-2d
[21:50] <OverTheHillAndFa> acually i did not understand or find the workaround. a little greek to me :p
[21:51] <didrocks> what didn't you understand the comment?
[21:52] <nhaines> OverTheHillAndFa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/728745/comments/18
[21:52] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/728745/comments/18
[21:52] <OverTheHillAndFa> ehm.. not sure i found it
[21:52] <didrocks> " you can set UNITY_FORCE_START=1 in /etc/environment to bypass the detection."
[21:52] <OverTheHillAndFa> is down at the comment fields
[21:52] <didrocks> well, I pointed the bug so that you read it :)
[21:52] <OverTheHillAndFa> great
[21:52] <OverTheHillAndFa> thanks ill try that
[21:52] <nhaines> didrocks: it *is* a bit of a chore to go through all the "me too!"s and the technical stuff.  :)
[21:52] <didrocks> that should work if you ensure to use the "ubuntu" session
[21:53] <didrocks> nhaines: yeah, I know, but when someone point the right bug report, making the effort to read it is a first step ;)
[21:53] <didrocks> still hope that nvidia didn't recommend the 270 driver for those cards…
[21:54] <OverTheHillAndFa> ill try to logout/login now to see
[21:55] <nhaines> didrocks: I'm not saying he shouldn't try, just that it'd be pretty easy for a non-technical user to miss your comment among all the others.
[21:55] <nhaines> OverTheHillAndFa: good luck!  :)
[21:55] <OverTheHillAndFa> tnx
[21:55] <didrocks> nhaines: that one should be maybe somewhere on askubuntu.com, right
[21:56] <didrocks> jcastro: up to that? :) (or maybe tomorrow)
[21:56] <OverTheHillAndFa> ok :)
[21:56] <OverTheHillAndFa> works
[21:56] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: so? :-)
[21:56] <nhaines> didrocks: donno, if he read the page and said "I can't find the workaround", well.... :)
[21:56] <didrocks> yeah \o/
[21:56] <jcastro> didrocks: knee deep in UDS scheduling
[21:57] <nhaines> OverTheHillAndFa: yay!  :D
[21:57] <OverTheHillAndFa> good good
[21:57] <jcastro> nhaines: sounds like a good way to earn some rep!
[21:57] <OverTheHillAndFa> thanks
[21:57] <nhaines> jcastro: haha, maybe.  :)
[21:57] <didrocks> nhaines: can you ask the question? then I'll answer ;)
[21:57] <OverTheHillAndFa> not super responsive though :P
[21:57] <didrocks> not sure if I can do both
[21:58] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: yeah, this is the hardware/driver issue…
[21:58] <didrocks> hence the blacklist :)
[21:58] <didrocks> but still better than with 270 where it freezes at login
[21:58] <nhaines> didrocks: lol
[21:58] <jcastro> if it's too slow there's always unity 2d
[21:58] <jcastro> nhaines: seriously, do it!
[21:59] <OverTheHillAndFa> sure thing :)
[21:59] <didrocks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37629/geforce-go-7400-blacklisted-can-i-still-run-unity
[22:00] <didrocks> should rename the title in 7300/7400
[22:00] <jcastro> on it
[22:00] <didrocks> jcastro: you rock dude!
[22:00] <didrocks> I'm answering
[22:00] <jcastro> didrocks: ok, done, just answer it and we'll be good to go
[22:00] <nhaines> jcastro: I was starting to write it up.  Did we find a good one?  :)
[22:00] <jcastro> didrocks: also, make sure your specs are in. :)
[22:01] <didrocks> jcastro: they are, always up to date! :-)
[22:01] <jcastro> my man
[22:04] <didrocks> jcastro: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37629/geforce-go-7300-7400-blacklisted-can-i-still-run-unity/37686#37686
[22:05] <OverTheHillAndFa> +1
[22:05] <OverTheHillAndFa> ;)
[22:05] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: I'm curious, how slow is it? still usable?
[22:11] <OverTheHillAndFa> hi.. yes it is usable
[22:11] <OverTheHillAndFa> sometimes it is fast some times slower
[22:11] <OverTheHillAndFa> but not hoplessly
[22:14] <OverTheHillAndFa> i have a lenovo 300 n200
[22:14] <OverTheHillAndFa> 3000 n200
[22:15] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: ok, nice to know, we'll probably discuss if we can manually remove the "270" compatibility or discuss with nvidia for that
[22:15] <OverTheHillAndFa> i have not done a complete reboot either.just logged out/in. maybe it help further to do a complete reboot
[22:15] <OverTheHillAndFa> ?
[22:15] <didrocks> so that the user can shoot into their feet :)
[22:16] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: it's fine, logout/login is enough :)
[22:16] <OverTheHillAndFa> ok
[22:19] <OverTheHillAndFa> 6-7 months ago in 10.10 i installed the newest driver from nvidia. probably a little older version than the 270 out now. it worked perfect until a kernel update from canonical. so i guess nvidia have done something with the very latest drivers that fck-up 7300 support
[22:19] <OverTheHillAndFa> i dont know a little over my head :P
[22:20] <didrocks> OverTheHillAndFa: right, that's why we need to discuss with them first :-)
[22:21] <OverTheHillAndFa> i see. good luck to you. unity is great and here to stay. you do fine work. thanks for the help :o)
[22:21] <didrocks> you're really welcome OverTheHillAndFa :-)
[22:21] <didrocks> time for sleep, getting late there! /me waves goodnight
[22:26] <OverTheHillAndFa> sleep well
[22:26] <OverTheHillAndFa> :9
[22:41] <dexter_> hi
[22:42] <dexter_> i'm just curious, it looks like you guys are creating a new DE called unity, and i read in wikipedia you guys are gonna migrate from x windows. will you still have that useful middle mouse button click?
[22:44] <dexter_> the one where you just select and middle click on any text field you wish to paste rather than using right click then menu or ctrl+c, select then ctrl+v
[22:47] <roninveracity> I am very impressed by the new Unity GUI--it's a bold move.  However, >    there is one glaring oversight, from the point of view of someone >    who uses Ubuntu for professional programming work.  I frequently >    want to have more than a dozen emacs windows open as I'm writing >    code.  In classic Ubuntu, I could easily choose which one I want >    from the name of the file in the bottom task bar, but this does not >    
[22:51] <nhaines> I agree, that's a glaring issue, unfortunately.  Fortunately it may just be an edge case.
[23:26] <jamalta> if a bug reported against unity is actually in the nux codebase, should i add nux to the project?
[23:26] <jamalta> add to the bug* ... not project sorry
[23:39] <jamalta> Well, I went ahead and added nux, hope that is ok :)