[00:07] <Riddell> claydoh: ah, you're updating the announcement?
[00:08] <claydoh> Riddell:  yeah, did work onit yesterday, but needs some sprucing up, 
[00:08] <claydoh> any additions retractions, etc needed?
[00:09] <Riddell> you can use this link for the known bugs https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes#Kubuntu
[00:11] <claydoh> dang why do I keep forgetting about the kubuntu section in the Ubuntu release notes
[00:15] <claydoh> Riddell: which lonk to bugs? the one on the room's topic shows only one lucid bug, the link you posted is to the ubuntu relase notes :)
[00:16] <claydoh> so does that mean we have no bugs? :D
[00:16] <Riddell> alas no, it means the wiki is being silly and doesn't let you link to the kubuntu bugs section because it has the same header as the kubuntu info section
[00:16] <Riddell> "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes#Known Issues"
[00:21] <Riddell> claydoh: I can't think of anything else to add, let me know when you're done and I'll copy if over to kubuntu.org
[00:21] <Riddell> s/if/it/
[00:21] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "claydoh: I can't think of anything else to add, let me know when you're done and I'll copy it over to kubuntu.org"
[00:30] <claydoh> Riddell: looks done to me, now
[01:21] <GrueMaster> rbelem: Any luck on the n900?
[01:28]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:28] <Riddell> rbelem: mind and sign off on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest if you're happy to release
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> Anything left for me to do?
[01:32] <GrueMaster> Hey, the 20110427 image works.. sort of.  It is now a proper image (apparently there was a timing issue with the publisher & mirror process).  It requires a reboot after oem-config runs it's course though.
[01:32] <GrueMaster> I have the omap4 image running now.
[01:34] <DarkwingDuck> hey jjesse 
[01:39] <jjesse> hiya DarkwingDuck
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: how are things? You ready to get started for +1? :P
[01:49] <GrueMaster> How can I disable akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder from respawning?  I can't do anything with it segfaulting on armel.
[02:34] <rbelem> Riddell, oki :-)
[02:35] <rbelem> GrueMaster, is the images working nicely?
[02:36] <GrueMaster> Depends.  akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder is on a respawn to failure frenzy.
[02:36] <rbelem> GrueMaster, oh!
[02:36] <GrueMaster> Also, for some reason nothing comes up after oem-config runs, but it works on reboot.
[02:37] <rbelem> GrueMaster, maybe the nodm script is not being called in the right time
[02:37] <GrueMaster> I'm sure the akonadi issue is related to nepomuk not working on armel.
[02:38] <GrueMaster> I wonder if it is getting run before oem-config and oem-config is just getting dominant.  
[02:38] <GrueMaster> nodm that is.
[02:39] <rbelem> hum... it should be working
[02:43] <rbelem> GrueMaster, do we still have time to upload a fix for kubuntu-mobile-default-settings? just adding a desktop file disabling the nepokuk
[02:43] <GrueMaster> It won't make release, and I don't have upload capabilities.
[02:44] <GrueMaster> You can release note it though.
[02:45] <GrueMaster> I filed a bug on nepomuk back with Beta 1 (I think).  But I am not a kubuntu-devel so I can't do much beyond that.
[02:47] <rbelem> oki
[02:50] <ScottK> rbelem: We can do it as a stable release update.
[02:55] <rbelem> nice :-)
[02:59]  * valorie is scheduled to do an Introduction to Kubuntu next thursday for OpenWeek
[03:12] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ping
[03:15] <valorie> hey DarkwingDuck
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: You have material for your talk?
[03:16] <valorie> well, I've started collecting links and such
[03:16] <valorie> I figured i would go back and look at old logs, if possible, and see how much is enough
[03:16] <valorie> why
[03:16] <valorie> ?
[03:17] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: here is the one I did for a ubucon at SCALE http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/presentations/your-guide-kubuntu
[03:17] <valorie> cool!
[03:17] <valorie> thank you
[03:17] <valorie> how long was your talk?
[03:17] <valorie> and of course you were talking
[03:17] <valorie> instead of IRCing
[03:17] <valorie> :-)
[03:17] <DarkwingDuck> I got through half of it in an hour
[03:17] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, but the princibles are the same. :P
[03:17] <valorie> indeed
[03:18] <DarkwingDuck> So, have at it.
[03:18] <valorie> if I had U1 working, I could share my tomboy note
[03:18] <valorie> sheesh
[03:18]  * valorie glares at the U1 team
[03:18] <DarkwingDuck> it might need to be modified or, use the second half because of 11.04 releasing tomorrow
[03:19] <valorie> this was a month or two ago that you gave it?
[03:21] <DarkwingDuck> This was end of Feb
[03:21] <valorie> k
[03:21] <valorie> thanks, you have lots of good stuff in there
[03:21] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:22] <DarkwingDuck> You can also find it at people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/scale
[03:23] <valorie> I'll link to it for people who want to watch a video
[03:23] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[03:24] <DarkwingDuck> it's filled with a bunch of questions as i was doing an open question session with it
[03:25] <ScottK> ryanakca: I hope you find your password, I can't find mine.
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> Hey ScottK 
[03:26] <ScottK> Hello.
[05:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: about funny colours, Kubuntu desktop gives me funny colours in ibook, because the desktop effects are enabled and hardware isn't quite up to task, disabling the effects makes all look normal
[06:52] <tsimpson> now who's idea was it to put "Out Now!" in the countdown image on kubuntu.org :(
[06:52] <maco> tsimpson: stupid javascript's, i think
[06:53] <maco> hmm its 7am Riddell-time....should i phone him?
[06:53] <tsimpson> "Out Soon" is better
[06:53] <tsimpson> not sure it's a huge deal, but it will cause confusion with many
[07:16] <Tm_T> tsimpson: we are early?
[07:17] <tsimpson> the countdown image says "Out Now!", when it's... not out now
[08:06] <c2tarun> can we upgrade to natty now?
[08:06] <tsimpson> it hasn't been released yet
[08:07] <c2tarun> at what time?
[08:07] <tsimpson> there is no set time
[08:08] <c2tarun> oh...
[08:08] <tsimpson> sometime "today"
[08:21] <bambee> morning
[08:36] <c2tarun> bambee: good afternoon ;)
[09:18] <sheytan> Riddell hey, i'm here in case you need me :)
[09:18] <apachelogger> sheytan: ...phonon...
[09:20] <sheytan> apachelogger I know, i know. As i said. No time. Maybe this weekend. We have holyday here in Poland, so i will have time :)
[09:20] <apachelogger> kk
[09:21] <Riddell> morning sheytan 
[09:22] <sheytan> Riddell morning ;)
[09:22] <sheytan> got the artwork?
[09:23]  * Riddell checks e-mail
[09:28] <Riddell> sheytan: could you replace "Natty Narwhal" with "11.04"?  and replace "Push the button" with "Download Now"?
[09:34] <sheytan> lets try
[09:39] <sheytan> Riddell: I'm at work. No Ubuntu font ;(
[09:39] <Riddell> sheytan: ok I can do it I think
[09:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: no results for powerpc on iso testing site
[09:40] <sheytan> Riddell wait, couse you will need to cut the image after changes
[09:40] <sheytan> ill dload that font
[09:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: too many hardware issues to report?  did you come across bug 756719 ?
[09:40]  * apachelogger goes absolutely crazy and clones qt's staging repo :O
[09:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, not sure, I got notification about possible plugins to install when running rekonq
[09:41] <Tm_T> and I have no possibility to test anything until ... 5 hours?
[09:42] <Riddell> Tm_T: but did you manage an install?
[09:43] <Tm_T> nope
[09:43] <Riddell> Tm_T: because your CD drive broke or another issue?
[09:43] <Tm_T> I have lots of I/O issues with the cdrom drive
[09:43] <Tm_T> ye, hardware issues only
[09:44] <Riddell> I guess that's the trouble with powerpc, all the hardware is ancient and getting unreliable
[09:44] <Tm_T> ye, already got hard disk replaced
[09:44] <Tm_T> I've been asking if I can get some other test hardware, no luck yet
[09:45] <Riddell> can you even buy anything these days?
[09:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: used, yes
[09:47] <Tm_T> and chinese replacement parts are available
[09:47] <Riddell> good old ebay
[09:50] <sheytan> Riddell http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1863/basebe.png
[09:51] <Riddell> sheytan: lovely!
[09:51] <sheytan> Riddell nope 
[09:51] <Riddell> oh but freedom is cut off the end there
[09:51] <sheytan> look at the 'freedom
[09:51] <sheytan> yeah
[09:51] <sheytan> fixing
[09:53] <sheytan> Riddell http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/5867/basejq.png
[09:54]  * sheytan wants to see it alive :D
[09:55] <valorie> gorgeous!
[09:55]  * Tm_T summons the spirits to revitalize basejg.png
[09:56] <sheytan> Thank you :)
[10:14] <apachelogger> Nightrose: mailz for you
[10:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: my team of awesome still did not reply :(
[10:25] <apachelogger> agateau: could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/771642 when you get a minute, in particular comment 5 sounds odd enough
[10:33] <agateau> apachelogger: comment 5 makes sense to me: unity does not support left/right click on indicators: expected behavior is left-click shows context menu, right-click is for possible applet configuration
[10:34] <apachelogger> agateau: isn't that what klipper does anyway? left click -> context menu
[10:34] <agateau> apachelogger: it is
[10:35] <apachelogger> why is it broken then ^^
[10:35] <agateau> apachelogger: maybe there is a bug somewhere? :)
[10:35] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:35] <agateau> apachelogger: I remember klipper people had a hard time porting it to ksni
[10:36] <apachelogger> yeah, because KSNI is so magic :S
[10:36] <agateau> yeah, except when it's not :/
[10:36] <apachelogger> probably we best just send the report to the klipper people
[10:36] <agateau> yes
[10:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: don't you find the intro a bit lam0rz?
[10:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: was thinking maybe I should open with something like "are you looking for a flipping hot sok project...."
[10:46] <Riddell> sheytan: that banner is going to be too long for the space, could you do one about 700 pixels wide?
[10:47] <sheytan> Riddell it is not. I checked. 
[10:47] <Riddell> sheytan: how did you check?
[10:48] <sheytan> I put it on the blue background on the page
[10:48] <Riddell> sheytan: yeah but the HTML means it has to be thinner
[10:48] <sheytan> damn
[10:48] <Riddell> otherwise it knocks everything else down the page and it all looks bad
[10:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: heh then do it ;-)
[10:49] <sheytan> sec
[10:53] <sheytan> Riddell all i can do without remaking it from the beginning (which i can't do at work :( ) http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6578/basec.png
[10:54] <Riddell> thanks sheytan 
[10:54] <sheytan> No problem :)
[10:54] <sheytan> hope it will work good
[10:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: nah
[10:55] <apachelogger> I am too old :P
[10:55]  * apachelogger publish0res
[10:58] <apachelogger> there goes my most precious project idea evar :(
[11:05] <apachelogger> steveire: my akonadi get stuck every once in a while (stuck = doesn't update imap anymore, at all) :(
[11:20]  * Mamarok is sad about the WLAN scanner still not working in Natty
[11:32] <steveire> apachelogger: What do you mean doesn't update? Doesn't get new messages?
[11:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: can't browse for any wifi networks?
[11:33] <steveire> Can you akonadictl restart and see what messages come out when it hangs? 
[11:34] <steveire> Should https://bugs.launchpad.net/~steveire show me closed bugs?
[11:35] <steveire> If not where can I see closed bugs?
[11:35] <Mamarok> Riddell: the only thing that is shown is a hidden network, but the other WLANs aroun don't show up, they show up on the Android phone though
[11:35] <ulysses> do we have a Kubuntu presentation template? I will introduce Kubuntu 11.04 on two release party, and I want a proper template
[11:35] <Riddell> Mamarok: presumably you've clicked "Show More"?
[11:35] <Mamarok> Riddell: of course :)
[11:36] <Mamarok> I also tried to scan. nothing shows
[11:36] <Riddell> ulysses: my conf.kde.in ones used an adapted KDE slide theme http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4398
[11:37] <Riddell> Mamarok: I've not heard other problems so it's probably an issue with the driver for your hardware, file a bug on network-manager I guess
[11:37] <Mamarok> OK
[11:38] <ulysses> Riddell: thanks
[11:38] <Mamarok> it worked on Maverick, so there is nothing changed on my side
[11:39] <Mamarok> Riddell: reporting the bug now
[11:40] <apachelogger> steveire: there is quite the flood going on
[11:42] <steveire> Do you have a lot of resources?
[11:44] <apachelogger> steveire: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/log.xz
[11:44] <apachelogger> no, only 2
[11:44] <apachelogger> it seems as if it got stuck refreshing gmail
[11:44] <apachelogger> or maybe kmail just has a short rescan time ^^
[11:44] <apachelogger> ah
[11:44] <apachelogger> 1 minute :D
[11:45] <apachelogger> that would explain that I suppose ^^
[11:45] <apachelogger> steveire: maybe it stopped updating because it stumbled over itself due to the short rescan interval?
[11:46] <apachelogger> interestingly enough changing the setting to 10 minutes does not seem to stop the rescanning
[11:46] <steveire> apachelogger: Could be. I don't know much about the imap resource
[11:48] <apachelogger> I started akonadi again, we'll see if the increased interval helps
[11:50] <nigelb> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release, the banner seems to overflow :(
[11:51] <Riddell> nigelb: yeah, not ideal
[11:51] <Riddell> I can cut it down a bit but my artwork skills are not as good as sheytan's http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/11.04-release/banner-short2.png :(
[11:51] <nigelb> Riddell: you can probably resize it to fit into that width
[11:51] <nigelb> want me to take a poke?
[11:52] <Riddell> nigelb: sure, if your krita/gimp skills are up to it
[11:52] <Riddell> everyone: any other comments? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release
[11:52] <steveire> Where can I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.1/+bug/683743 akonadi 1.5.0-0ubuntu2  to see what the solution was there? It doesn't seem to be in natty. Is it in proposed or something?
[12:00] <sheytan> Riddell give me a minute
[12:01] <yofel_> steveire: it is in natty, more like natty has 1.5.2-0ubuntu1, but the new apparmor profile is still the same
[12:03] <ScottK> Riddell: If you're monkeying with the web site, I'd appreciate it if you'd put something in there about KDE SC 4.5.5 in maverick-updates.  I coulnd't get into the site last night.
[12:03] <ulysses> „The power management configuration area has been given a new, easier natty narwhal no release candidateto use interface”
[12:04] <ulysses> Riddell: that's a bit stragónge for me^
[12:07] <steveire> yofel: Thanks.
[12:07] <steveire> patches/02_hardcode_debian_mysqld_path.diff  makes no sense to me
[12:07] <steveire> Ah, it's not in the series anymore.
[12:09] <Riddell> ScottK: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.5-updates ?
[12:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks good.  Was that there already?
[12:09] <ScottK> If it wasn't you, it must have been ryanakca.
[12:10] <Riddell> I just put it up
[12:10] <ScottK> Perfect.   Thanks.
[12:13] <c2tarun> will the release of natty be announced on this channel?
[12:15] <sheytan> Riddell http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2804/sssskt.png
[12:15] <Riddell> thanks sheytan, you rock
[12:16] <sheytan> welcome :)
[12:16] <Riddell> c2tarun: #ubuntu-release-party for the main party, can always do with some kubuntu love in there
[12:38] <c2tarun> Riddell: I think the release is announced but BitTorrent link on kubuntu website is giving me 404 error.
[12:41] <yofel> the links on http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/ are fine though
[12:43] <Riddell> c2tarun: well spotted, fixed
[12:44] <Riddell> awooga
[12:45] <yofel> \o/
[12:45]  * Riddell high fives yofel, c2tarun, sheytan, ScottK
[12:45]  * c2tarun high five :)
[12:45]  * Riddell hugs ulysses, steveire, apachelogger, nigelb, Mamarok
[12:46] <steveire> Awesome.
[12:46] <nigelb> wait, I didn't do anything yet :)
[12:47]  * nigelb hugs Riddell back
[12:47]  * Riddell dances with maco and agateau 
[12:47] <ulysses> top of the page \o/ http://ubuntu.hu/
[12:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you still up for suggestions about stuff to add to the release announcement?  If so, kubuntu-full and the fact that the DVD now installs everything is perhaps worth a mention.
[12:54] <Riddell> ScottK: got a sentence I can paste in?
[12:54] <Riddell> or I can remind you of the password to edit yourself :)
[12:57] <ScottK> I'd like the password, but how about this first: "When installing from the Kubuntu DVD, the full package set from the DVD is automatically installed.  To expand an existing system to this broader set of packages, install that 'kubuntu-full' package."
[12:57] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[12:58] <sheytan> Congratulations! :D
[12:58] <Riddell> s/that/the/ I think
[12:58] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[13:00] <arpan> Riddell: one of the download links on release notes page redirects to https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ,which prompts for password
[13:00] <ScottK> Riddell: That's fine (the edit)
[13:00] <Riddell> arpan: which one?
[13:01] <arpan> Riddell: the link is in "Download ISO image files"
[13:01] <arpan> Riddell: it says "our download page"
[13:02] <Riddell> arpan: fixed, thanks
[13:03] <arpan> Riddell: same for md5 checksums link -> "alongside the cd images"
[13:03] <arpan> Riddell: :)
[13:03] <Riddell> also fixed
[13:05] <maco> wow
[13:05] <maco> ive never been awake around release time before
[13:05] <ScottK> Are there any artwork type people going to UDS?
[13:05]  * Riddell releases maco 
[13:05] <Riddell> ScottK: not that I know of
[13:06] <ScottK> It would be nice to get the Kubuntu wiki theme refreshed.  It seems very dated compared to kubuntu.org.
[13:06] <Riddell> well sheytan did a design, it's the technical side that needs done
[13:07] <Riddell> I'm told it's quite fiddly, you have to edit moin stuff directly
[13:07] <ScottK> Ouch.
[13:13] <Riddell> so it needs someone who knows HTML and Python and how to talk to the website people
[13:16] <arpan> no jigdo templates for 11.04 desktop images?
[13:17] <Riddell> arpan: desktop images aren't made from .deb files, they can't have jigdo
[13:17] <arpan> oh okay.. didn't knew that. thanks!!
[13:24] <bambee> sheytan: nice banner ;)
[13:24]  * Mamarok hugs everyone as well
[13:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: big ones for you {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[13:25] <jussi> Riddell: does this mean you are now not officially ours anymore? 
[13:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: we will miss you so much, 6 Month is an awfully long time
[13:25] <bambee> :'(
[13:25] <sheytan> bambee thanks :)
[13:30]  * Riddell hugs jussi and bambee 
[13:30] <bambee> ;)
[13:31] <Riddell> jussi: I'll always be yours!
[13:32] <bambee> aaah :)
[13:32] <jussi> :D
[13:32] <bambee> however, it's a good challenge for the community , imho.
[13:33]  * jussi be's a bit trollish and mumbles about blue headed stepchildren and resources :P :P :P 
[13:33] <maco> hang on, we dont want to prove him unnecessary or anything. then think about how many full time kubuntu people canonical will think they need!
[13:34] <jussi> hehe
[13:34] <Riddell> jussi: none of your trolling!
[13:35]  * jussi behaves
[13:35] <jussi> nah, its good Riddell learns new stuff, then we can make him do even more stuff :P
[13:43] <bambee> Riddell: you join the rocking bazaar team for 6 months, right ? you will learn many things that's cool ;)
[13:43] <maco> weird. dput is telling me my signed changes file isnt signed
[13:43] <bambee> (bazaar rocks so much!)
[13:45] <maco> oh it says no public key. but my keys are on the ubuntu keyserver and imported into lp. i am so confused.
[13:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Any suggestions on how to deal with spec approval in LP for this cycle?
[13:47] <maco>   oh here it is
[13:47] <maco> launchpad is broken
[13:47] <maco> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/152715
[13:48] <ScottK> maco: LP being broken is not news.
[13:48] <ScottK> That particular bit of brokenness you can ignore.  It happens whenever LP and the keyserver aren't on speaking terms.
[13:49] <maco> but the upload actually does go through?
[13:50] <ScottK> Yes
[13:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks, I was just about to get to it.
[14:00] <ryanakca> Riddell, ScottK: For the wiki theme, the python parts aren't that bad, unless you're doing something fancy, you can just grab lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-wikitheme and edit the lists of HTML lines in the header / footer / etc functions of MoinMoin/theme/kubuntunew.py . The images / css / js are all under the wiki/htdocs/kubuntunew directory.
[14:00] <ScottK> ryanakca: Right.  That problem being that I can't.
[14:05] <ryanakca> *nod*. I have my last exam today, but if someone has the design done and you're simply looking for someone to implement it and nag sysadmins for a few months, I can manage that.
[14:07] <apachelogger> steveire: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600255/
[14:07] <apachelogger> steveire: I was marking read all in one folder, then went to another one and trie to read a new mail
[14:07] <apachelogger> no dice :(
[14:10] <steveire> Hmmm.
[14:10] <steveire> Reproducable?
[14:13] <Riddelll> sheytan: ping, do you have that wiki design still around?
[14:13] <steveire> apachelogger: Best file a bug if so. Kevin Ottens knows the imap stuff bt I don't.
[14:13] <apachelogger> steveire: apparently so if I try to open another mail while akonadi is still marking others as \Seen
[14:14] <steveire> Ok, so the item fetch times out
[14:14] <steveire> But if it's done marking things as seen then it works?
[14:14] <steveire> If so, that's a known bug that I need to poke volker to fix in akonadi
[14:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:15] <apachelogger> maybe those not-update-issues I had were from me marking too many unread mails as read ^^
[14:15] <apachelogger> it would appear I read >5k mails in 2 days
[14:15] <apachelogger> somewhat unlikely ^^
[14:17] <sheytan> Riddell sec
[14:17] <Riddell> sheytan, ryanakca: found it http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/wiki/
[14:20] <ryanakca> Riddell, sheytan: Looks good, where might I find the relevant images?
[14:22] <sheytan> ryanakca you can't, this mockup sucks, and i will do another one :D
[14:27] <ryanakca> sheytan: Alright
[14:34] <ScottK> ryanakca: Can you make a spec for this work?  It should (at least in theory) help with the nagging IS part.
[14:36] <ryanakca> ScottK: Sure, I'll write it down in my agenda for tomorrow morning, I have my last exam later on today and need to study.
[14:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.  Tomorrow would be great.
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, ScottK: is it just me or can one not go to kde-look.org with our default browser without hitting a bug?
[15:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: I wouldn't find anything surprising about that.
[15:10] <apachelogger> and now it apparently froze
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: eet iz a webkit bug
[15:57] <shadeslayer> safari has it too apparently
[16:16] <amichair> Congrats on the release! Thanks everyone for such wonderful work!!
[16:17] <Riddell> thanks amichair!
[16:17] <amichair> nono, thank *you*! :-)
[16:18] <amichair> Riddell: and have fun on your job roundabout thingy :-)
[16:25] <amichair> btw there seems to be a rogue paste on the website announcement in "a new, easier natty narwhal no release candidateto use interface"
[16:26] <Riddell> amichair: fixed, thanks
[17:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and that changes the fact how?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> changes what fact?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's a server problem, i really can't do much 
[17:47] <shadeslayer> + about it
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://gist.github.com/946558 << sadly .. syncevolution crashes for me everytime i try to query it's dbus interface ;(
[17:48] <shadeslayer> s/;/:
[17:49] <apachelogger> better than having your machine die on you because of overheating
[17:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:51] <shadeslayer> true that
[17:52]  * apachelogger ponders throwing his laptop at dell and use the netzbook instead
[17:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Dell sucks
[17:54] <shadeslayer> in terms of hardware i mean
[17:55] <apachelogger> as jahava witness I must say that hardware in general sucks
[17:55] <apachelogger> but that is another story
[17:55] <apachelogger> zareason is the future
[17:58] <ScottK> ~ninjas
[17:58] <kubotu> apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[17:58] <ScottK> That needs updating.
[17:59] <ScottK> !ninjas
[17:59] <ScottK> Anyway, 4.6.3 tarballs are starting to emerge.
[17:59] <txwikinger> ScottK: Ninja time? I thought it is party time ;)
[17:59] <ScottK> Can someone work on this?
[17:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: help script
[17:59] <kubotu> Create mini plugins on IRC. 'script add <name> <code>' => Create script named <name> with the Ruby program <code>. 'script list' => Show a list of all known scripts. 'script show <name>' => Show the source code for <name>. 'script del <name>' => Delete the script <name>. 'script eval <expr>' => evaluate expression <expr>. 'script echo <expr>' => evaluate and display expression <expr>. See also: add, allow, deny.
[17:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: script del ninjas
[17:59] <kubotu> alright
[17:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: save
[17:59] <kubotu> done
[18:00] <ScottK> We need to package 4.6.3 for natty updates PPA.
[18:03] <shadeslayer> on it
[18:04] <shadeslayer> seeing how syncevo dbus is completely busted
[18:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: a dude just got kubuntu on an archos tablet running using my instructions ;)
[18:23] <ScottK> Very cool.
[18:23] <ScottK> Documentation FTW.
[18:24]  * apachelogger asked him to join the mobile team
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> meh, time to remove #ubuntu+1 from my autojoin list again
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> yay on release, tho!
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw about your kubuntu-meta fix, i couldn't get it to work since i have the experimental PPA installed
[18:30] <shadeslayer> s/installed/enabled
[18:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Oh.  Good to know.  Thanks.
[18:30] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: around?
[18:32] <bambee> ScottK: btw, when new archives are opened ? (for oneiric)
[18:33] <apachelogger> bambee: usually that takes one or two weeks
[18:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not anymore.  It may be open later today or tomorrow.
[18:33] <apachelogger> oh
[18:33] <apachelogger> speed upz ftw
[18:33] <bambee> after UDS in this case, thats make sense
[18:33] <apachelogger> no vacation ftl though
[18:34] <maco> ScottK: im going to add a kubuntu accessibility spec. Since QAccessible & KAccessible now exist, it's integration time
[18:34] <ScottK> Great.
[18:35] <maco> I talked to Riddell about it yesterday, and he wants me to get the accessibility thing on the livecd going. TheMuso said he'd be available to answer questions as i do that
[18:41] <maco> is there an onscreen keyboard option in kdm yet?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> maco: not that i can see
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Firefox is going to be shipped in 11.10 ?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu 11.10 i mean
[18:45] <shadeslayer> uhmm .. do we update KDE 4.6.3 for Maverick as well?
[18:48] <yofel> I would, but only if we can get that into natty-updates reasonably soon. Considering how much work that is I'm not sure...
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> dammit, unity exposes a bug in my .desktop parser... http://i.imgur.com/wSTRr.png
[18:50] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:51] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging >> all sorts of clean
[18:51] <shadeslayer> i've skipped maverick for now
[18:52] <shadeslayer> steveire: you're working on PIM right?
[18:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: you started on anything?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> not yet
[18:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: feel free to take up libs :
[18:53] <shadeslayer> i'm cleaning up the wiki page some more
[18:53] <yofel> will do so then
[18:54] <c2tarun> yofel: there are some new packaging tasks on ninja packaging page I guess.
[18:54] <yofel> yep KDE SC 4.6.3
[18:55] <c2tarun> yofel: so we have to start packaging?
[18:55] <yofel> yep, shadeslayer was cleaning the wiki page just now
[18:56] <c2tarun> yofel: ok meanwhile I am going to request for an ec2 :)
[18:56] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[18:57] <bambee> we bump these packages into ninjas , then we move them into kubuntu-backport ? (since natty is released now)
[18:57] <yofel> kubuntu-ppa, since it's an update
[18:58] <bambee> ok
[18:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Normally once there's a release we don't go back, so I'd say don't bother with maverick.
[19:00] <c2tarun> Well I heard few days ago that Riddell is going to be busy with some other stuffs, is there anyone else who can provide us an ec2 on request?
[19:02] <bambee> what does "WIP" mean , btw ?
[19:03] <maco> bambee: work in progress
[19:03] <apachelogger> Why so serIous Pal
[19:04] <maco> i totally thought i was on the knitting channel when i said that
[19:04] <maco> probably still applies though
[19:04] <bambee> maco: ok thanks
[19:04] <EagleScreen> hi
[19:05] <EagleScreen> I am looking at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-gtk/+bug/473197, and it also affects Debian testing
[19:05] <EagleScreen> and also affects gentoo
[19:05] <maco> doh
[19:05] <EagleScreen> why do not change the file name?
[19:06] <apachelogger> maco: launchpad could use an ubuntu-knitters team
[19:06] <maco> apachelogger: there's an ubuntu group on ravelry
[19:06] <maco> and a debian group
[19:06] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: that is a design decision
[19:07] <apachelogger> you might want to have different gtk themes for gnome and kde
[19:07] <maco> that makes sense
[19:07] <apachelogger> hence the kcm does not write into the default file but expects the user (or the caring distribution) to setup stuff
[19:07] <apachelogger> setup stuff = set the env var on logi
[19:07] <apachelogger> n
[19:07] <maco> so your gtk apps use a oxygen-lookalike in kde but look "normal" in gnome
[19:08] <EagleScreen> yes, the the fact is that some distributions are affected by the bug, which should be the real solution?
[19:08] <apachelogger> no
[19:08] <apachelogger> *it is not bug*
[19:08] <apachelogger> the bug this report is about is that apparently sometimes on kubuntu the env var is not set appropriately
[19:09] <EagleScreen> apachelogger: setting the gtk theme in kcm-gtk and seeing how it is not applied is a bug
[19:09] <apachelogger> the kcm is supposed to write into a different rc file and I doubt that would ever chane
[19:09] <apachelogger> see what maco wrote for a rationale
[19:09]  * rdieter feels bad for not upstreaming, but the env var doesn't get set when the file is set for the first time, has patch
[19:09] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: yeah, not for us
[19:09] <EagleScreen> yeah because on kubuntu you set that variable in some way
[19:09] <rdieter> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=kcm-gtk.git;a=blob;f=kcm-gtk-0.5.3-gtkrc_setenv.patch
[19:10] <apachelogger> rdieter: looks handy
[19:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[19:11] <ScottK> c2tarun: It's probably time you worked on learning how to build packages on your local machine.
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> rdieter, apachelogger: thanks
[19:11]  * apachelogger hates compiling webkit
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: okay
[19:12] <apachelogger> rdieter, JontheEchidna: that should use qgetenv btw
[19:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pulling it is a PITA itself
[19:12] <c2tarun> ScottK: the biggest problem is I have a slow internet connection, I am downloading kubuntu 11.04 iso since last 5:30 hrs and it will still take 30 more hours :/
[19:12] <rdieter> apachelogger: sure, I think I stole that from some other old/bad code. 
[19:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: why don't you torrent it?
[19:12] <apachelogger> stealing code ftw :D
[19:13] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: its in torrent. 30kbps :(
[19:13] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: that is my avg speed. max is 50
[19:13] <ScottK> bambee: We're almost on soft feature freeze for KDE 4.7, so if you want to propose to change to userconfig, you best do it fast.
[19:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: userconfig is in kde?
[19:13] <apachelogger> I thought that never got included
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> ^it is not
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> yuriy and I have been maintaining it in launchpad
[19:14] <ScottK> Dunno.  Just reading bambee's addition to the spec wiki page.
[19:14] <bambee> ScottK: userconfig is in kde ?
[19:14] <bambee> aahh
[19:14]  * apachelogger giggles
[19:14] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: shouldn't take more than 7-8 hours on a torrent then
[19:14] <ScottK> I thought it was in extragear or something, but I guess now.
[19:14] <ScottK> now/not
[19:14] <bambee> well, propose it to upstream as an alternative of kuser is just an idea for now, we need to discuss about that
[19:15] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: oh... sorry I wrote 30 hrs, its 30 mins :)
[19:15] <bambee> imo
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> yes, yuriy and I have discussed upstreaming, but neither of us ever got around to it
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> andbody who wants to pick up the ball and run with it is welcome
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> iirc the bzr repo is writable to anyone in kubuntu-memebers
[19:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: BTW where is Riddell?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> i don't know :D
[19:16] <bambee> ScottK: well, who I need to contact ?
[19:16] <EagleScreen> then the GTK2_RC_FILES variable is a KDE specific variable?
[19:17] <ScottK> bambee: Dunno.  I'm not involved in upstream development.  I suspect apachelogger might be able to guide you.
[19:18]  * bambee hugs apachelogger
[19:19] <apachelogger> bambee: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines
[19:19] <bambee> apachelogger: thanks
[19:20] <apachelogger> bambee: with git it is basically the same except that you'd file a bug with the kde sysadmins to create a playground project
[19:20] <bambee> personally I prefer git :)
[19:20] <apachelogger> well, I don't think you can get a playground project in svn anymore anyway :P
[19:21] <apachelogger> bu thte guidelines only talk about svn still
[19:21] <bambee> ok
[19:25] <yofel> can you guys open the packaging page? I'm getting 500s just trying to open it o.O
[19:26] <yofel> works now o.O
[19:27] <maco> yofel: wiki full of slowiness is all
[19:27] <yofel> yeah, I'm used to 500s when saving pages, just not when opening them..
[19:36] <shadeslayer> they should upgrade moin moin
[19:36] <shadeslayer> or rather : moinmoin
[19:36] <yofel> +1
[19:37] <shadeslayer> better idea : replace moinmoin with mediawiki
[19:40] <maco> from one of the Alans' research, i think it turns out to be a configuration error
[19:40] <maco> that nobody's gotten around to fixing
[19:41]  * yofel wonders how many RT tickets were filed about that so far...
[19:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: around.
[19:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: does resizing konsole fsck up X for you now?
[19:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: nope
[19:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: desktop effects turned off
[19:47] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:47] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> well.. the freeze is gone here, but my screen is full of artefacts on resizing konsole
[19:47] <Quintasan> oh, that happended to me with desktop effects too
[19:47] <Quintasan> turn them off :P
[19:48] <shadeslayer> but ... but ... but .. i <3 transparencies :D
[19:48] <yofel> then don't resize konsole
[19:48] <Quintasan> Enjoy your artifacts then.
[19:56] <EagleScreen> in Debian testing and unstable Desktop effects works pretty well with my intel card, but in Kubuntu natty they are very slow and KDE disable them, anyone would know why?
[19:56] <c2tarun> well is there any difference b/w beta2 and natty released? I mean do I need to upgrade?
[19:57] <ScottK> c2tarun: If you have been applying updates along the way, no. 
[19:57] <c2tarun> ScottK: ok :) thanks
[20:01] <yofel> EagleScreen: happens on my eeePC with an 945GME too, XRender disables some effects but works
[20:01] <yofel> opengl only runs at like 0.5 FPS
[20:01] <yofel> unless I disable the effects that don't work in xrender, without those opengl works ok too
[20:01] <EagleScreen> on Debian works well with opengl
[20:02] <EagleScreen> where is the difference?
[20:02] <ScottK> Disable blur and it should be fine.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan yeah, i guess i'll have to live with it
[20:02] <yofel> ScottK: it's not only blur, I need to disable like 6 effects so it doesn't lag
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nope ... still have the issue
[20:03] <Quintasan> I think new NVidia driver broke something
[20:03] <shadeslayer> and now my screen is all pixelated
[20:03] <yofel> EagleScreen: not sure either, except that debian unstable has a newer intel driver
[20:03] <ScottK> Oh.  nvidia.  No wonder.  I was commenting about the Intel 945 based netbook.
[20:03] <EagleScreen> the same happens on debian testing with 2.14.0
[20:04] <Quintasan> The pixelation happens here too (NVidia GeForce GTS250)
[20:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: the konsole bug is now against nvidia, someone said that nvidia-173 works
[20:04] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/rzkQq.png
[20:04] <shadeslayer> 173 :O
[20:04] <shadeslayer> thats like as old as apachelogger
[20:05] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[20:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yeah, looks same here with effects on
[20:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What's the theme and colour scheme?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Plasma theme is Produkt and color theme is osbidian coast 
[20:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and jussi's qss theme file for Quassel
[20:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: From where and when are you flying to Budapest?
[20:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: cool
[20:22] <Quintasan> crap
[20:22] <Quintasan> I gotta go
[20:22] <Quintasan> Damn school
[20:24] <Blizzz> who did the header graphic for the website (http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.04-release/banner.png)? is a file with layers available, that can be edited (e.g. for l10n)?
[20:27] <yofel> Blizzz: talk to sheytan when you see him
[20:27] <Blizzz> yofel: thx for the hint!
[20:29] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: where am I going to get the 4.6.3 version of any pacakge on ninja packaging page?
[20:30] <c2tarun> yofel: ^^
[20:31] <yofel> ktown only, what do you need
[20:32] <Quintasan> oy
[20:32] <c2tarun> yofel: kdegames
[20:33] <Quintasan> leave some work for me for tomorrow
[20:33] <Quintasan> school's off earlier
[20:34] <c2tarun> yofel: can you please give me the link for accessing from ktown?
[20:34] <yofel> c2tarun: no, I'll give you a local link over PM, you need your ssh key on ktown for sftp
[20:35] <Quintasan> c2tarun: It's a SSH server, if your keys are not in ktown's base then you can't access them directly
[20:35] <Quintasan> I think Riddell can add people there
[20:35] <c2tarun> Quintasan: well I accessed ktown earlier.
[20:35] <Quintasan> You did?
[20:35] <c2tarun> yup
[20:35] <yofel> from ec2 I would guess
[20:36] <c2tarun> yup.
[20:36] <Quintasan> I see
[20:36] <yofel> c2tarun: is your key there? or was that riddells?
[20:36] <c2tarun> Quintasan: but I logged into ktown from my system.
[20:36] <yofel> c2tarun: sftp ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org then
[20:36] <c2tarun> yofel: ^
[20:36] <Quintasan> c2tarun: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[20:36] <yofel> stable/4.6.3/src/
[20:36] <Quintasan> more like this
[20:37] <Quintasan> c2tarun: if it asks for Passphrase to your key then you are set
[20:37] <c2tarun> Quintasan: ok I am in :) thanks
[20:37] <Quintasan> \o/
[20:37] <yofel> :)
[20:37]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[20:37] <yofel> gn
[20:37] <c2tarun> gn
[20:37] <Quintasan> yofel: save some work for me or else my skills will get rusty :P
[20:38] <yofel> Quintasan: add yourself on the wiki then
[20:38] <yofel> some non-depency package
[20:38] <Quintasan> gah, k
[20:38] <yofel> *dependency 
[20:38] <Quintasan> good night anyways :P
[20:38] <yofel> sure, sleep well
[20:39] <bambee> Quintasan: 'night
[20:41] <c2tarun> hell it will take 30 mins to copy kdegames tarball from ktown to my system :( got I am so much missing ec2 Riddell where are you?
[20:41] <bambee> apachelogger: once I did read this page, I can create an account to identity and ask an account ? o_O , I mean, that all ? 
[20:42] <bambee> "Normally, any developer who has done some work on KDE can apply for a KDE SVN account." => it's not my case
[20:44] <yofel> c2tarun: that seems to be faster than it'll take me to pull oxygen-icons off launchpad, somehow I'm only getting ~400kbps from it :(
[20:45] <c2tarun> well you can divide your speed by 10 and you'll get my speed then ;*(
[20:46] <apachelogger> bambee: its a jersey thing
[20:46] <apachelogger> bambee: basically you just need someone to vouch for you
[20:48] <bambee> I thought it was more complicated...
[20:48] <bambee> apparently I was wrong :)
[20:50] <bambee> well, who does vouch for me ?
[20:50] <maco> anyone who's seen your code for kde
[20:59] <bambee> userconfig was originally by some kubuntu developers, I just added some features. anyone can see the code on my lp
[20:59] <bambee>  originally developed *
[21:14] <c2tarun> is there any way to just get the debian folder of the previous version?
[21:19] <yofel> c2tarun: for the kde package sure, get it from bzr
[21:20] <c2tarun> thanks :)
[21:20] <yofel> make sure the version in bzr is the same as in the archive though
[21:26] <c2tarun> yofel: you guys are building on natty or oniric?
[21:27] <c2tarun> oneiric
[21:27] <yofel> natty, oneiric isn't open yet
[21:34]  * apachelogger sings song
[21:34] <apachelogger> bambee: urly for codez plz
[21:35] <bambee> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/guidance/userconfig-kde4
[21:35] <yofel> ScottK: did we plan a date to switch the branches over to ~kubuntu-packagers ?
[21:36] <ScottK> yofel: "now"
[21:36]  * apachelogger rolly on them floors
[21:36] <bambee> apachelogger: it's not completly finished yet, but I've just some minor changes to do
[21:36] <apachelogger> why did no one ever tell me about jersey shore
[21:36] <apachelogger> this is hilarious
[21:36] <bambee> apachelogger: btw, it's written in python /P
[21:36] <bambee> :P
[21:36] <yofel> ScottK: who wanted to do that?
[21:37] <ScottK> That's on the list of stuff I think Riddell would normally take care of.  I think any kubuntu-member can do it though.
[21:37] <apachelogger> bambee: I know
[21:37] <ScottK> JFDI if you feel motivated.
[21:38] <apachelogger> bambee: not much code produced yet, so I couldn't vouch
[21:38] <apachelogger> bambee: I suggest you just continue work on launchpad for now
[21:38] <bambee> apachelogger: I just modified the CMakeLists, I added a dbus helper and now all changes take place when the user clicks "apply"
[21:38] <apachelogger> doesn't make much a difference whether it is in playground or not anyway ^^
[21:38] <bambee> that's all
[21:39] <apachelogger> bambee: yeah, not much code to draw an opinion from, just what I said :P
[21:39] <bambee> :P
[21:40]  * apachelogger wonders if userconfig has ugly code because of python or because the authors did not speak python long enough when they were working on it
[21:41] <apachelogger> bambee: you could like port it to cpp :P
[21:41] <apachelogger> it would like increase the chances of getting to replace kuser :P
[21:41]  * apachelogger notes that to replace kuser one would also need more scalable design on the actual management side of things
[21:41] <bambee> apachelogger: I could yes, but it would be totally silly. why completely rewrite a code ? python is not an argument :)
[21:41] <apachelogger> namely you'd have to support multiple backends
[21:42] <apachelogger> backend being strategies in this case
[21:42] <bambee> it supports multiple backends
[21:42] <apachelogger> as every distro has their own set of tools to manage users and whatnot
[21:42] <bambee> see utils/unixauthdb.py
[21:42] <apachelogger> + cross platformness is a concern these days
[21:43] <apachelogger> bambee: python is absolutely an argument, if you look at the printer applet in kdeutils
[21:43] <yofel> ScottK: I'll move the packaging branches later then, I'll poke you if I'm unsure if a branch should be moved
[21:43] <ScottK> OK.
[21:43] <apachelogger> it is basically maintained by us (us = mostly jr)
[21:43] <apachelogger> and I do not think that is out of a general disconcern, but rather that python applications have a tendency to end up very unhackable
[21:44] <apachelogger> with their monster sized blob files for gui and stuff
[21:44] <apachelogger> just saying
[21:44] <maco> blog files?
[21:44] <maco> erm
[21:44] <maco> blob files?
[21:44] <apachelogger> maco: large accumulations of seamingly unrelated things
[21:45] <apachelogger> often it has happend that what would have been in multiple files in cpp ends up in one python file
[21:46] <apachelogger> in particular the printer stuff is IMHO such a case, at least I did not find the code very hackable the 3 or so times I had to look at it ^^
[21:46] <bambee> apachelogger: we should probably ask to other people here, and if they agree. I could rewrite it in cpp... 
[21:46] <rbelem> apachelogger, it depends on the way the developer is writing the code
[21:46] <bambee> otherwise I can continue to maintain it in python :)
[21:47] <apachelogger> bambee: dude that is totally a maintainer decision :P
[21:47] <apachelogger> if you feel more comfortable not rewriting it, then just don't :P
[21:47] <rbelem> bambee, probably upstream would prefer c++
[21:47] <apachelogger> they always do
[21:48] <bambee> mhhhh
[21:48] <apachelogger> but there is no reason to disqualify pyth0rn
[21:48] <apachelogger> oh come to think of it
[21:48] <apachelogger> plenty of things get more complicated (localization, dbus...)
[21:49] <apachelogger> it is actually a shame that writing a dbus service in cpp is actually much faster than pyth0rn :S
[21:49] <apachelogger> I mean, a good thing, but a shame for python
[21:49] <bambee> seriously ? did you ever write a dbus service in python ? there is nothing to do ? o_O
[21:49] <bambee> s/?/!/
[21:49] <valorie> misspelling on the main release page: To upgrade your existing instsllation -- should be installation
[21:50] <bambee> apachelogger: in python dbus stubs are automatically and semantically handled via python method annotations :)
[21:50] <apachelogger> bambee: which is the problem right there
[21:51] <valorie> Riddell: ^^^
[21:51] <apachelogger> in cpp you just throw an xml file at it :P
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> the python way seems magic
[21:51] <apachelogger> well actually, that is more important for the adapter use case really
[21:51]  * yofel goes re-owning the branches
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> the Qt/C++ way Just Makes Sense (tm)
[21:52] <apachelogger> you have the lib that exposes the service deploy the xml, then you grab it a build time autogenerate an adapter and apply the logic
[21:52] <apachelogger> way smoother
[21:52] <apachelogger> talking about branches
[21:52] <apachelogger> did we move them from kubuntu members yet?
[21:53] <yofel> apachelogger: I'm just doing that
[21:53] <apachelogger> if not, I would argue that now is the time :P
[21:53] <apachelogger> ah
[21:53] <apachelogger> yofel++
[21:53] <apachelogger> yofel: I hope you have made a script for that ^^
[21:53]  * apachelogger remembers well the days he created the flipping branches
[21:53] <apachelogger> there was no launchpadlib or it did not do what needed to be done if memory serves well
[21:54] <apachelogger> that was one pain in the neck
[21:54] <yofel> nope, a) I don't think all -members branches should be switched b) my lplib foo isn't up for that
[21:54] <apachelogger> ah, fair enough
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I hope you are jealous, cause I have qml2 :P
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> qml... 2?
[21:55] <bambee> apachelogger: the problem is, I am not really a maintainer. I just wrote a patch for it actually
[21:56]  * JontheEchidna never really used QML in the first place
[21:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: scenegraph awesomeness
[21:56] <apachelogger> it is all in gl
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> is that their graphicsview replacement?
[21:57] <apachelogger> so that mesa can break our apps
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> but on the plus side, only mesa and the drivers can break it now
[21:57] <apachelogger> actually it makes sense, painting shit with raster is one flipping PITA
[21:57] <apachelogger> also dreadfully slow
[21:57] <Blackmoon> Riddell: hi, at this addres: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block  the link of DVD mirror is wrong must replace 11.04  instead of 10.10 in the url
[21:57] <apachelogger> I made a phonon video graphicsitem prototype yesterday
[21:58] <apachelogger> even if you do minimal upscaling (be it only 5px each direction) raster will lag like nothing you had ever seen before
[22:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/output.mkv
[22:00] <apachelogger> soon we can have phonon .prn on symbian fons ^^
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:01] <ScottK> valorie: Fixed.
[22:01] <maco> goodness, he's already defected?
[22:03] <apachelogger> maco: defected?
[22:03] <maco> apachelogger: left
[22:04] <apachelogger> maco: jr?
[22:04]  * apachelogger is confused
[22:05] <maco> yes
[22:06] <apachelogger> apparently, well, cycle is over, so...
[22:06] <apachelogger> that said, I might go to rehab this cycle, I need to get off the .prn and the drinking
[22:06] <apachelogger> I am not 17 anymore :S
[22:08] <ScottK> Blackmoon: I believe I've fixed it.  thanks.
[22:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I have decided we will make firefox default for 11.10 :P
[22:09] <ScottK> How much space does it take?
[22:09] <valorie> thanks, Riddell
[22:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is to be researched
[22:09] <ScottK> valorie: I look like Riddell?
[22:10] <apachelogger> we could just toss libre in favor of calligra :P
[22:10] <maco> ScottK: i once called rgreening "Riddell" so she could be farther off
[22:10] <valorie> lol, thanks ScottK
[22:10]  * valorie needs another cup of coffee!
[22:10] <ScottK> maco: That's at least explainable as tab completion fail of some kind.
[22:10] <apachelogger> you are all wicked, that's what you are!
[22:11] <valorie> maco, you are evil!
[22:11]  * apachelogger needs to write a mail actually
[22:11] <maco> ScottK: it was in person
[22:11]  * apachelogger actually better schedules this for tomorrow
[22:11] <valorie> the kilt sort of gives him away, though
[22:11] <ScottK> Oh.  Less understandable then.
[22:11] <maco> it wasnt a friday, so no kilt
[22:11] <maco> it was probably the day i met them though..
[22:11] <valorie> what, kilts are only for Fridays?
[22:11] <valorie> now I'm really confused
[22:12] <Blackmoon> ScottK: fixeed :-)
[22:12] <apachelogger> tutu > kilt
[22:12] <apachelogger> you can wear a tutu every day
[22:12] <maco> valorie: he wears it for party-night at UDS, and thats always on a friday
[22:12] <valorie> rofl
[22:12] <valorie> apachelogger: YOU can wear a tutu every day
[22:12] <valorie> you will never catch ME in one
[22:13] <apachelogger> well, just saying, it is an option
[22:13] <valorie> maco, I had actually met Riddell before you arrived at UDS
[22:13]  * apachelogger might just bring a tutu to UDS to proof his point
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:13] <maco> well yes, i was a day late
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> hey, that reminds me
[22:14] <valorie> so your efforts at my confusion were only partially successful
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think we'll finally be both at the same UDS
[22:14] <maco> he apparently jumped out of the pool and followed me when he saw me carrying my bags up to the hotel room
[22:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uh, right, groovy \o/
[22:14] <valorie> damn it, I forgot to empty trash before making my backup
[22:14] <apachelogger> we should manage to get a plan for world domination going ^^
[22:14] <valorie> grrrr
[22:14] <maco> valorie: efforts at your confusion? i met riddell a year and a half before either of us met you... thats when i mixed up the names
[22:14] <Riddell> evening
[22:14] <valorie> lol
[22:15] <maco> Riddell: oh you havent deserted us yet!
[22:15] <apachelogger> 'lo Riddell
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we seem to be out of UDS sync. We should keep journals like prof. river song/ the doctor for when we do meet up :P
[22:15] <apachelogger> oh lulz
[22:15] <apachelogger> awesome
[22:15]  * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> we should plan a doctor who watching for whatever episode gets aired whilst everybody is tied up flying
[22:21] <ulysses> Doctor Who on Saturday?
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah. maybe sunday night once everybody's settled in we can all watch it or something
[22:22] <yofel> branches moved
[22:22] <yofel> ScottK: check if there's something left that should be moved https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> My flight'll be coming it at around noonish on sunday
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> I have a 2 hour layover in germany, so I'll be able to say I've technically been there :P
[22:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sunday night is bar night
[22:24] <apachelogger> oh
[22:24] <apachelogger> are there actually any pre/post uds plans?
[22:24] <apachelogger> sightseeing or something
[22:24]  * apachelogger did not yet get his train tickets, so... :P
[22:27] <Riddell> should I have a notice of this 4.6.3 in my e-mail?  has my e-mail broken?
[22:27] <yofel> Riddell: you should have  a "KDE 4.6.3 tarballs (try#1 part1) uploaded" mail yes
[22:27] <c2tarun> yofel: how can I get those mails that tarballs are uploaded?
[22:28] <yofel> c2tarun: that's from the kde-packagers ML
[22:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: ubuntu@ec2-50-17-170-181.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[22:28] <c2tarun> ohh....
[22:31] <c2tarun> Riddell: thanks :)
[22:35] <bambee> good night
[22:35] <yofel> gn Blizzz
[22:35] <yofel> ..
[22:41] <Riddell> Blizzz: did you get your image?
[22:43] <Blizzz> Riddell: nope, did not see sheytan, yet
[22:44] <Blizzz> yofel: gn8
[22:49] <Riddell> Blizzz: I think I have it
[22:49] <Blizzz> would be cool if you could forward it
[22:50] <Riddell> Blizzz: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/base.xcf
[22:51] <Blizzz> Riddell: i get an 403
[22:51] <Riddell> Blizzz: try now
[22:52] <Blizzz> Riddell: works! thanks!
[23:55]  * apachelogger dances with Mamarok
[23:55] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3rkLRJ0m0k \o/
[23:55] <apachelogger> liza ftw