[00:04] <sinzui> aber: yes the number is machines is lower because Ubuntu is being built
[01:00] <aj00200> As much as I hate to complain about a free service, there is one thing which really bothers me
[01:01] <aj00200> Blueprints give so much more Karma than everything else that people who only do blueprint tracking can have twice as much Karma than the people who actually code
[01:02] <aj00200> For example, my project https://launchpad.net/bbottheircbot/+topcontributors, as the creator, I have far less Karma even though I do the majority of coding in the project
[01:07] <aroman> hey, is there any way an admin could move up my package's build score for this one build?
[01:07] <aroman> it has a postinst command that is time-critical
[01:59] <fmarier> i seem to be having problems registering a new launchpad account: 1944canistellaunchpad5 (email=dev@mahara.org)
[01:59] <fmarier> (also: 1944carambolalaunchpad3 while confirming email address)
[02:07] <spm> fmarier: looking for you
[02:18] <wgrant> fmarier: That email address is currently a non-primary address for ~mahara-core, and SSO doesn't handle that case well. Do you want to remove the address from the team and create a new account for it?
[02:35] <fmarier> wgrant: ah, that's true.  i'll go and remove it from the team
[02:39] <fmarier> wgrant: actually, i'm not sure how I can remove it... i've tried setting the contact email for that team to another email address but it doesn't seem to remove the old one (which incidently is not visible anywhere as far as I can see)
[02:40] <wgrant> fmarier: Teams aren't meant to have multiple addresses, but there was a bug fixed about a year ago that left some old email addresses around.
[02:40] <wgrant> I suspect mahara-core may be a victim of that.
[02:40] <wgrant> We may need SQL to fix it up.
[02:40] <fmarier> ok, should I create an answer ticket?
[02:41] <wgrant> That would be a good idea.
[02:41] <fmarier> here: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad ?
[02:41] <wgrant> Yup.
[03:49] <joeye01> looks staging.launchpad.net is down for code updating. When will it recover?
[03:50] <wgrant> fmarier: Can you try now?
[03:50] <joeye01> it is work now. thanks!
[03:51] <fmarier> wgrant: 1944canistellaunchpad7 (when i click the email confirmation link)
[03:51] <wgrant> fmarier: Is this on an existing request?
[03:51] <wgrant> fmarier: You'll need to get a fresh email.
[03:51] <fmarier> ah ok, i'll try to register again then
[03:51] <wgrant> Thanks.
[03:53] <fmarier> ok, the new validate code still fails: 1944carambolalaunchpad5
[03:53] <fmarier> sorry, "confirmation code"
[03:53] <wgrant> Hm, that's upsetting.
[03:53] <fmarier> and 1944canistellaunchpad8 if i click on the link
[03:54] <fmarier> are these error codes useful?
[03:54] <wgrant> They are.
[03:54] <wgrant> We can grab tracebacks from them.
[03:56] <fmarier> could there be another place where i've put dev@mahara.org already?
[03:56] <fmarier> i'm looking through the other Mahara teams now...
[03:56] <wgrant> Unlikely. There is a scary complex replication setup involved here, so we're checking all sides.
[03:56] <wgrant> It's not attached to any Launchpad teams.
[03:56] <wgrant> It's nowhere in Launchpad.
[03:57] <wgrant> It's possibly still somewhere in the SSO DB, though.
[04:34] <MTecknology> 8hr until build.. grrr
[04:34] <MTecknology> i suppose it may well be nap time
[04:34] <wgrant> MTecknology: Ubuntu releases have that effect on the queue :(
[04:35] <MTecknology> wgrant: ahh... it's getting to be that time again, huh?
[04:38] <MTecknology> wow.... queue for amd64 ppa... 38hr
[04:39] <wgrant> That's still got half a rebuild in the queue.
[04:39] <wgrant> So ignore most of it.
[04:39] <MTecknology> hm?
[04:40] <wgrant> There is an unfinished archive rebuild test still in the queue, but it's scored at -10 so it will only build once everything else has.
[09:17] <hrw> hi
[09:17] <hrw> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o has useless sorting
[09:18] <hrw> there are 187 entries, page loads 75 of them and sorts only those 75
[09:18] <hrw> good luck if you want to check ^arm-* ones...
[09:22] <hrw> but before opening new bug I would want to know should I open new or rather add something to bug 147394 or bug 522024 one?
[09:22] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 147394 in Launchpad itself "Can't sort blueprint listing" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147394
[09:22] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 522024 in Launchpad itself "No option to Sort by Clicking the List Headers" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522024
[09:44] <Laney> there's spam on bug 736808
[09:44] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 736808 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "[mk-sbuild] schroot configuration should be stored in /etc/schroot/chroot.d." [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736808
[09:59] <wgrant> Laney: Not any more. Thanks for letting us know.
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[11:47] <computa_mike> I'm trying to upload a large package using the SFTP method described at https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Uploading%20with%20SFTP.  getting error : Unable to connect to SSH host ppa.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
[11:47] <computa_mike> E: Error uploading file.
[11:47] <computa_mike> is the documentation correct?
[11:50] <wgrant> computa_mike: It's correct, and it's working fine for me. You're not behind a firewall that blocks SSH?
[11:50] <computa_mike> there's just me, then the router
[11:51] <computa_mike> It did prompt me to add the signature for ppa.launchpad.net
[11:51] <wgrant> What happens if you 'ssh ppa.launchpad.net'?
[11:51] <computa_mike> i'll try that now...
[11:52] <computa_mike> permission denied (publickey).
[11:52] <wgrant> OK, so that's working fine. There's something wrong with your dput.cf
[11:53] <computa_mike> can I paste it here?
[11:53] <wgrant> paste.ubuntu.com is probably better./
[11:54] <computa_mike> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600228/
[11:55] <wgrant> Odd. That's fine.
[11:55] <wgrant> What's the upload commandline you're using?
[11:56] <computa_mike>  dput linuxrealitytestppa linuxreality_0.1-1_source.changes
[11:57] <wgrant> And it's still happening if you try now?
[11:57] <computa_mike> I'll try
[11:57] <computa_mike> yes...
[11:57] <wgrant> Hmm.
[11:58] <wgrant> You have bzr installed?
[11:58] <computa_mike> If I browse to ppa.launchpad.net I can see a folder for my username - computa-mike, and I can see other PPA's that I have set up, but can't see my LRTEST , despite the fact that I can see it through the LP Front end.  Does that mean anything?
[11:59] <computa_mike> bzr is installed
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[11:59] <wgrant> That's normal if there are no packages in it yet.
[11:59] <computa_mike> cool
[11:59] <wgrant> Does normal FTP work?
[11:59] <computa_mike> I'll give it a go
[11:59] <wgrant> (dput ppa:computa-mike/lrtest linuxreality_0.1-1_source.changes)
[12:00] <computa_mike> that appears to be working
[12:01] <computa_mike> so FTP works, SFTP doesn't
[12:01] <wgrant> Odd.
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[12:03] <computa_mike> How does SFTP know I am who I say I am?  I notice that there is a gpg warning that the key I have is not certified with a trusted signature.
[12:03] <wgrant> The GPG key is unrelated. But SFTP uses SSH keys for identification -- do have your SSH key configured on LP?
[12:04] <wgrant> You seem to have three.
[12:04] <computa_mike> yeah I'm running on my laptop at the moment - is there a way I can confirm that it's the correct key?
[12:06] <wgrant> ssh computa-mike@ppa.launchpad.net
[12:07] <computa_mike> i've just checked in passwords and encryption keys, and can't see anything there.  I think I may have rebuilt my laptopm and lost the SSH keys  - which would explain why SFTP might not be working.
[12:08] <wgrant> Indeed, although I would have expected a less opaque error.
[12:10] <computa_mike> I think I'll leave it uploading via FTP for the moment.  This is the 3rd attempt - It's a massive package.  I've packaged up all of the LinuxReality content, and it's weighing in a 1.4gb.  The previous attempts stopped with 1k left to go, so I'm trying the ftp upload process.
[12:13] <computa_mike> wgrant: Thanks for the help.
[12:14] <wgrant> computa_mike: Hopefully it will work this time. Otherwise it might be worth a try setting up your keys and trying SFTP again.
[12:15] <computa_mike> ok ...  that's a good idea.
[12:15] <computa_mike> thanks again
[13:29] <end_user> Unable to see all fields (like email address) on the https://help.launchpad.net/UserPreferences/ page.
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[13:38] <wgrant> end_user: That's configured on login.ubuntu.com.
[13:40] <odo_> hi everyone
[13:40] <odo_> do you know if there is a way to bypass a timeout problem upon a bug change?
[13:41] <wgrant> odo_: Which bug, and what were you doing?
[13:41] <odo_> I need to convert a bug to private, but it times out everytime because our project has hundreds of subscribers
[13:42] <odo_> wgrant: I'd rather keep the bug number quiet, as it really should be private ;-)
[13:44] <wgrant> odo_: Did it give an OOPS ID? If not, could you add /+secrecy to the end of the URL and try there?
[13:44] <wgrant> If it still fails it should give you an OOPS ID that will let us debug the problem.
[13:46] <odo_> it did not give an OOPS ID, let me try with +secrecy
[13:47] <wgrant> AJAX operations sometimes don't :(
[13:47] <wgrant> But +secrecy is non-AJAX, so should give one.
[13:47] <maco> any idea when the missing gpg.conf is going to be fixed? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/152715  <-- this one?
[13:47] <maco> i have an sru i'd like to upload
[13:49] <wgrant> maco: You can still upload fine.
[13:50] <wgrant> But if you're unlucky it will give you a (harmless) warning that it can't verify your key.
[13:50] <maco> wgrant: so its just pretending to fail?
[13:50] <wgrant> The important verification is done by something less flaky, later on.
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[13:50] <wgrant> maco: This verification is solely to warn the user, since we can't notify them by email later if we can't verify their key.
[13:50] <wgrant> So it warns and continues to process the upload.
[13:52] <wgrant> (this isn't optimal, but it's a brand new feature, and the real fix should land tomorrow)
[13:54] <odo_> wgrant: cool, +secrecy worked to get the OOPS ID: OOPS-1944DQ278
[13:54] <ubot5> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1944DQ278
[13:54] <wgrant> odo_: Thanks, looking.
[13:56] <end_user> @wgrant: I visited login.ubuntu.com and have no problem logging in to those sites. Just help.launchpad.net. Is this a non-issue if I can get to the main launchpad.net? I just want to be able to report bugs.
[13:56] <odo_> wgrant: great, thank you :)
[13:57] <wgrant> end_user: You don't need to be logged into help.launchpad.net to report bugs.
[13:57] <wgrant> odo_: Oh, that's a lot of subscribers :(
[13:58] <wgrant> odo_: All of them will be able to see the bug, even if it does stop timing out.
[13:58] <wgrant> (once it's private, that is)
[13:59] <odo_> wgrant: they were added automatically when the bug was marked public by mistake, I suppose...
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[13:59] <odo_> isn't there anything I could do to somehow restore the privacy?
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[14:01] <sinzui> odo_: There isn't a way for a project owner to unsubscribe users from private bugs. This is a bug.
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[14:02] <end_user> @wgrant: Thanks for the clarification. I still submitted this as a bug report, as it is one.
[14:02] <odo_> sinzui: hmm ok, so that doesn't help :-/
[14:04] <sinzui> odo_: We have a cunning plan. Your bug will disappear for a moment
[14:04] <sinzui> odo_: directly subscribe to the bug first
[14:04] <wgrant> Unless you're already in that team.
[14:05] <odo_> yup, I'm in the team, but I also subscribe directly
[14:06] <wgrant> Great.
[14:06] <odo_> subscribed*
[14:06] <odo_> wow nice, switching projects :)
[14:07] <sinzui> I hate out picker!
[14:07] <sinzui> wgrant: I am charging you with fixing that when we start disclosure
[14:07] <wgrant> sinzui: I will be very glad to do that.
[14:07] <wgrant> Although who knows when that will be :/
[14:07] <sinzui> may 9 I was told
[14:08] <wgrant> !
[14:08] <sinzui> odo_: If it looks right, I will unsubscribe myself
[14:09] <odo_> sinzui: it's just brilliant, thanks so much!
[14:09] <odo_> you can stay subscribed if you like, though ;-)
[14:09] <sinzui> I get too much email, thanks
[14:10] <sinzui> We need to fix the picker to show the project id. community plugins was the first match when I typed openobject-addons
[14:11] <odo_> sinzui: I get way too much emails too ;-) but there's a nice LP project for improving mail subscriptions, right? :-)
[14:11] <sinzui> right. The feature should complete may 8
[14:12] <sinzui> odo_: I still need to contact an admin about two subscribers inherited via this hack. It will take a few moments
[14:15] <odo_> sinzui: great, I was about to ask about these 2, thanks!
[14:15] <odo_> I certainly don't mind wgrant, but I didn't know the others, so... ;-)
[14:25] <sinzui> odo_: I believe the subscribers were removed
[14:25] <wgrant> Indeed, just me, the reporter and the team left.
[14:25] <wgrant> And now I am gone.
[14:31] <odo_> sinzui, wgrant: thanks a lot, the subscribers are back to the original ones, and everything is perfect now!
[14:31] <sinzui> fab
[14:31] <odo_> you saved my day :)
[14:32] <wgrant> That's going to show up on our timeout reports a bit tomorrow :( I guess we'll have to fix the bug!
[14:37] <jstoone> hey guys, I'm going to set up my PPA and i was thinking, is there any special nameing convension that is mostly used for nameing ppa's?
[14:39] <sinzui> there is not. The default is named ppa (as seen in the url). I think that is confusing if you ever have more than one ppa. I think the ppa's  name should hint at the kind of packages it will contain
[14:44] <jstoone> I was just wondering cause at - https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading - they suggest <original_package>~<ppa_name>n[~<series>] and that is a little confusing i must say..
[14:44] <jstoone> sinzui:
[14:45] <sinzui> oh i misunderstood your question
[14:45] <jstoone> sinzui: ah ;)
[14:45] <sinzui> PPAs are archives. That is is a package name
[14:46] <jstoone> sinzui: oh.. I'm sorry.. I think it is all a little confusing, as I am still learning ;)
[14:46] <sinzui> The package naming formation disambiguates the package by origin and version.
[14:49] <jstoone> sinzui: So i just clicked "Personal package archives" and then "+Create a new PPA" and then i have to give it a name and it suggests 'ppa' - do I make a new Personal package archive for each program I make or can I just make one, and then put my programs in it ?
[14:49] <sinzui> It is common to package-name_version~ppaVersion~distroseriesVersion if your package is based on a distro series package
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[14:50] <sinzui> jcsackett_:  the archive is to hold many packges
[14:50] <sinzui> the archive is effectively a folder with meta data and packages in it
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[14:50] <jcsackett> sinzui: did you mean to reply to jstoone, or were you calling my attention to the question?
[14:50] <sinzui> oops, yes
[14:51] <sinzui> jstoone:  the archive is to hold many packges. The archive is effectively a folder with meta data and packages in it
[14:52] <jstoone> sinzui: Great! Good system! I'm doing this 'cause I would like to get more involved with the OpenSource community and also because some people would like to get some of the programs I make.
[14:53] <sinzui> jstoone: oh good, Your original work can have simpler package names since they are not based on something already distributed
[14:53] <jstoone> sinzui: would it then be OK to just call it 'ppa' or do people usually change it?
[14:54] <sinzui> jstoone: No they do not, because they cannot. My first ppa is also named 'ppa'.
[14:54] <wgrant> sinzui: You can call your first PPA whatever you want now.
[14:54] <wgrant> sinzui: That changed a yearish ago.
[14:55] <sinzui> yes, that is what I recommend.
[14:58] <jstoone> sinzui: Aha, that's easy ;) (also thanks wgrant for the comment!) - but can you tell me what the ppaVersion is used for? And what it is? Could I just write for an example  test-program_0.1.s~ppa (My friend and I use our own version-numbering - hope it's ok, described in the FAQ I'm makeing)
[14:59] <sinzui> jstoone: test-program_0.1.s~ppa0 is the correct first name
[15:00] <sinzui> jstoone: ~ppa0 means the origin is from a ppa and it is the first version. you make want to release a ~ppa1 if you discover you need to fix the packaging rules, such as dependencies.
[15:01] <sinzui> jstoone: That is how a few of my packages began, but with natty, two were added to ubuntu, so I maintain a ~ppa, while users can also find an ~ubuntu0 version as wel
[15:03] <sinzui> jstoone:  test-program_0.1.s is your project release. all packages that start with that part should be based on that version of your program. the package versions like ~ppa0 or ~ubuntu0 are adding rules to build and install that version. They may also patch it
[15:03] <jstoone> sinzui: Ok, then I just make a new archive and continue from there? For an example I'll call it 'ppa1' and when i then name my test-program I'll call it test-program_0.1.s~ppa1 - right?
[15:04] <sinzui> jstoone: it is unlike you will ever patch your ~ppa version...you would just fix your program. Ubuntu might have patches that you have not accepted, or that they use to integrate it into the distribution.
[15:04] <sinzui> jstoone: start with 0, ~ppa0
[15:05] <jstoone> sinzui: All right (: - So have you written programs that have been added to ubuntu?
[15:05] <sinzui> jstoone: Consider that once a package is published, It cannot be undone or fixed. So we increment the version and release a new one
[15:05] <sinzui> two
[15:06] <jstoone> sinzui: Wow.. may I ask what you've done so far, in short what do thouse two programs/additions do?
[15:08] <sinzui> I wrote plugins for gedit so that I could use it for python and web development, and a tool the lint many kinds of files
[15:09] <sinzui> jstoone: I published them in an archive. later a MOTU adapted my package and uploaded it to Ubuntu.
[15:09] <jstoone> sinzui: I hope you can understand me even though my terminology is bad. I've been useing Ubuntu for 2 years now, and I possibly can't imagine writing something that would be included in a release/update.
[15:10] <sinzui> I should now become a MOTU so that I can upload new version of my packages instead of asking a MOTU to do it for me
[15:11] <jstoone> sinzui: But you haven't yet?
[15:11] <sinzui> No. I was a slacker this release.
[15:12] <jstoone> sinzui: hehe, That's to bad, but weren't you happy when you found out?
[15:13] <sinzui> Yes, then mortified that I may be swamped with bug reports
[15:15] <jstoone> Oh, yea... I see...
[15:15] <jstoone> But have you been 'swamped' with bug reports then?
[15:16] <sinzui> I got about 10 bugs. 5 of which were serious. As I started to fix them, one of the users who reported the bug started providing fixes. So my projects actually have someone else contributing to them now :)
[15:45] <jstoone> That is great! But sinzui: thank you very much! I really appreciate it all! Have a nice day, maybe I'll see you sometime!
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[17:04] <CarlFK> I used Open ID login (SSfoo) with http://ep2011.europython.eu and the conf email from that site says "somebody tried to create an EuroPython account through Other."  is the "Other" coming from LP or a otherwise case?
[17:05] <CarlFK> like if the consumer has a list of OpenID providers and LP isn't one of them...  "Other"
[18:18] <Delemas> ouchie the build farms are busy today. 12 hrs delay...
[18:48] <maxb> According to https://launchpad.net/builders, there are 58 lpia/virtual buildjobs queued, but they don't seem to be being dispatched
[18:56] <micahg> lamont: ^^
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[21:23] <lamont> maxb: can I get the URL for the ppa you have builds pending in?
[22:05] <maxb> lamont: They're not my builds - I'm just remarking that there seem to be builds included in the global queue counters which are not going away
[22:06] <lamont> maxb: the normal cause for that is if they're all in one ppa, it'll get one builder, since there are only 2 and you only get 80% and 2/2 == 100, which is >> 80
[22:06] <lamont> but we're digging into making sure that it's not something else
[22:06] <maxb> lamont: I'm fairly sure that at least 40 of those 58 have been around for days
[22:06] <maxb> On several occasions I have noticed both lpia/virtual builders idle, and supposedly jobs waiting
[22:07] <lamont> maxb: exactly
[22:07] <maxb> exactly?
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[23:49] <reviczky> hi, is it somehow possible to import an rsync-based http repo into launchpad?
[23:52] <sinzui> reviczky: I am not sure I understand. If the repo is available over http and is svn/git/hg/bzr then yes. How it got there is moot
[23:52] <reviczky> it has no version control
[23:52] <reviczky> its a public http, which gets updated
[23:54] <sinzui> Lp cannot import unversioned code. Can get a copy of the code, use "bzr init" in the tree, then "bzr push <location>"  to make it a repo
[23:54] <lfaraone> Hi, I'm trying to upload Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied.
[23:54] <reviczky> yeah, but id like to have an automated update ...
[23:54] <lfaraone> I'm trying to upload pianobar_2011.01.24-1ubuntu0.1_source.changes, and I get that error when I attempt to put it to the main archive.
[23:54] <sinzui> reviczky: Then you can request an import and it will sync every few hours
[23:55] <lfaraone> I verified the signature on that package is valid with gpg, and it accepted the dsc and debian.tar.gz without issue
[23:55] <micahg> lfaraone: known issue
[23:55] <sinzui> reviczky: technically it is a remote branch when the remote is bzr, and some forms confuse the issue.
[23:55] <lfaraone> micahg: so I can't upload?
[23:55] <micahg> lfaraone: it should work, just display the message
[23:56] <lfaraone> micahg: so http://paste.ubuntu.com/600497/ is expected, and my upload will be accepted?
[23:57] <micahg> lfaraone: yeah, you should get the waiting for approval e-mail
[23:57] <reviczky> sinzui: not sure I understand, I'd still need to update the bzr manually then
[23:58] <maxb> Yes. Launchpad does not have facilities for scraping unversioned http sites into version control.
[23:59] <sinzui> hmm. maybe I misunderstand. I thought you wanted to setup a remote versioned repo that Lp could import.
[23:59] <poolie> hi maxb, sinzui, all
[23:59] <sinzui> hello