[00:00] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, is better to wait for final, till. there are testing isos everyday _testing_
[00:00] <dios_mio> my gksudo gedit error: http://pastebin.com/eJvnTHxL
[00:00] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: unless it's for the purposes of testing before the final
[00:01] <itaylor57> KM0201: I installed chromium daily ppa, firefox was miserable and the default chromium was also, but the daily is very good
[00:02] <KM0201> itaylor57: lol, go figure, my experience has been exactly opposite, tons of probs out of chromium, firefox4 has been flawless
[00:03] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, sure.
[00:03] <lcb> dios_mio, but you get gedit working...
[00:03] <dios_mio> yes lcb
[00:03] <lcb> those type of errors are not new, even previous releases and with more apps
[00:03] <itaylor57> KM0201: maybe its my upgrade instead of fresh install
[00:04] <dios_mio> ok then lcb
[00:04] <KM0201> itaylor57: possible.. who knows
[00:04] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, for gedit, gksudo or sudo--- gives the same
[00:05] <pace_t_zulu> so ... anyone here successfully booted ubuntu from a usb drive on a macbook before?
[00:05] <lcb> KM0201, how is your Xubunatty?
[00:05] <KM0201> lcb: slicker than snot.. :)
[00:05] <lcb> hehehe
[00:06] <Kano> whats the way now to create icons on the desktop? usually the icons had been in the Desktop dir
[00:07] <bp0> if I upgrade from 10.10, will it keep my gnome-panel setup?
[00:08] <pace_t_zulu> bp0: probably will... but it is easy to backup your gnome panel setup
[00:08] <pace_t_zulu> bp0: "gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel > gnome-panel-backup"
[00:09] <pace_t_zulu> bp0: and then you can load it back
[00:09] <pace_t_zulu> bp0: "gconftool-2 --load gnome-panel-backup
[00:09] <bp0> will it have the three menus or just the ubuntu logo menu from the alpha?
[00:09] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, http://goo.gl/cYOgK
[00:11] <KM0201> you knjow one thing i've never understood.
[00:11] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: ty ... great link
[00:11] <KM0201> when i clean install ubuntu, and i enter my time/date settings.. i alway sput my home city.... (Indpls)
[00:12] <KM0201> then when i actually install, and i check my clock, it ALWAYS sets my time to "America/Adak"... i don't even know what Adak is..lol
[00:12] <alokito> If I have natty beta installed will it automatically upgrade to final version after release?
[00:12] <alokito> or should I do a fresh install?
[00:12] <KM0201> alokito: it will automatically upgrade to final
[00:12] <lcb> bp0, when you login you have an option to run under classical desktop, where you have the same panels
[00:12] <KM0201> !current
[00:12] <alokito> hmm okay
[00:13] <KM0201> !release
[00:13] <KM0201> !beta
[00:13] <KM0201> there we go.
[00:13] <lcb> alokito, just keep updating
[00:13] <alokito> alrite :)
[00:13] <KM0201> :)
[00:13] <bp0> lcb, right buy classic desktop is not the same, the menus have changed, i prefer the existing style. will it be possible to keep it?
[00:14] <alokito> bp0: I guess you just have to make classic desktop the default DE?
[00:14] <lcb> bp0, backup all your /home including .files
[00:15] <alokito> if you wanna make it look like before you can just install old themes :-?
[00:15] <lcb> alokito, you have a lot of ways of configuring it, still
[00:16] <alokito> yup
[00:17] <lcb> alokito, i did an upgrade (besides fresh installs) and i don't recall changing a lot of my previous desktop
[00:18] <lcb> alokito, Unity, called now just _Ubuntu_ desktop yes, there are substantial changes. however you have the choice of keeping the previous desktop style
[00:21] <alokito> lcb: if ubuntu-desktop package is now unity then whats the classic desktop called?
[00:21] <lcb> For you two, one step is important; backup your /home
[00:21] <lcb> and /etc and /usr if you want...
[00:22] <lcb> alokito, Classic Desktop or Ubuntu Classic, one of those (i got amnesia after last login) :)
[00:24] <alokito> whats the package name I mean
[00:25] <alokito> btw... is lubuntu official now?
[00:25]  * KM0201 kinda forgot all about lubuntu
[00:25] <lcb> alokito, Ubuntu Classic, that's the name.
[00:25] <alokito> okay
[00:25] <arand> lubuntu Has nice screencasts, apart from that, I know naught
[00:26] <alokito> I use lubuntu in my very old laptop
[00:26] <lcb> alokito, the package name for Ubuntu Classic'!... i have no clue, possible the gurus here know
[00:26] <alokito> it runs faster than any other full featured OS!
[00:27] <dios_mio> i cant enable desktop cube in classic desktop, without messing everything up and losing window borders
[00:28] <dios_mio> the moment it turns off desktop wall window borders are gone
[00:28] <lcb> alokito, i tried that a couple weeks ago and indeed is fast. but between that and installing the base system and some xfce environment... i don't know..
[00:29] <lcb> alokito, DSL (Damn Small Linux) is really fast and damn small :) too bad is not developed anymore
[00:30] <alokito> a custom xfce DE might work faster but xubuntu-desktop isn't
[00:30] <alokito> it uses many packages from gnome
[00:31] <lcb> alokito, again, base system and a customized graphical environment.. is a good bet for a fast ubuntu (11.04)
[00:31] <KM0201> !minimal
[00:32] <lcb> I like to play with puppy, on my ancestral machines.
[00:32] <Kano> also what i absolutely don't get why u is the one and only major linux distro that does NOT provide hybrid iso images. to fix em only isohybrid needs to be called on em, but thats not done
[00:32] <alokito> puppy is good
[00:32] <alokito> but I can't figure out how to netboot install anything else than ubuntu :(
[00:33] <Kano> alokito: maybe use memdisk and preload the iso
[00:33] <alokito> the optical drive of the laptop is ruined and it doesn't even support usb boot!
[00:33] <lcb> netinstall
[00:33] <alokito> Kano: good idea but it has only 256 mb memory :P
[00:34] <Kano> alokito: also plop can be installed into your mbr to boot from usb
[00:34] <alokito> internal hdd mbr?
[00:34] <Kano> well you chainload it first from any other bootloader, then you put it onto the internal mbr
[00:35] <alokito> ok I'll try that, thanks
[00:35] <Kano> all other systems should be installed with the bootloader in partition
[00:35] <tim> is there any way to change system sounds in a comfortable way in natty?
[00:35] <Kano> it works well with via based systems
[00:36] <Kano> just try it, can be deleted easyly too
[00:36] <Kano> what also works is usually a boot from hd
[00:37] <Kano> when you have got enough spare partitions
[00:37] <lcb> i'm trying to develop a spray to 'spray' hard disks on computers without any media to install distros. but i'm running out of cans :I
[00:38] <KM0201> lol
[00:39] <lcb> Kano, installing ubuntu (full - all drivers) on a friends computer, then moving that HD to your, works too
[00:41] <Kano> lcb: the drivers are in the kernel, thats not the big deal, you just should remove the persit udev rules: rm -f /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-*
[00:41] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: i have a workaround
[00:41] <pace_t_zulu> lcb: boot from the live cd with a usb drive plugged in
[00:42] <freaky[t]>  how do i set a partition to be mounted automatically like eg. D:\ drive in windows?
[00:42] <Kano> lcb: i trained the kanotix bot with lots of infos about that ;)
[00:42] <alokito> freaky[t]: you have to edit /etc/fstab
[00:42] <alokito> google it :)
[00:43] <Kano> freaky[t]: create an fstab entry. i only see a boot speed reason why this is not done by default. on kanotix every partition is mounted because it is more usefull for me (and most other users)
[00:43] <lcb> pace_t_zulu, yes, then the system finds one or the other, keeping the installation going
[00:44] <S-M-Gl> hello, can i update now, or do i have to wait until tomorrow?
[00:44] <Kano> freaky[t]: dont forget to create the mountpoint (an empty dir)
[00:44] <alokito> freaky[t]: if its an ntfs partition you can use ntfs-config package to automount it
[00:44] <lcb> S-M-Gl, you can but better wait
[00:45] <S-M-Gl> lcb: why, is the alpha the one currently online?
[00:45] <alokito> S-M-Gl: no its beta
[00:45] <alokito> its not much different from final release actually
[00:46] <S-M-Gl> alokito: right sorry, so the beta is the one online, until tomorrow?
[00:46] <Kano> there are daily snapshots too available, why are they not linked
[00:46] <alokito> S-M-Gl: yes till the official anounce
[00:46] <Kano> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:46] <pace_t_zulu> here's the ubuntu forum thread for anyone who needs it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1458341
[00:46] <Kano> zsync is really usefull for those
[00:46] <S-M-Gl> ok,thanks
[00:46] <pace_t_zulu> i will be afk for a bit
[00:46] <alokito> the repo packages will probably get updated before the announcement...
[00:47] <lcb> S-M-Gl, wait a bit, is not too long for the release.
[00:48] <alokito> !isitout
[00:48] <alokito> :P
[00:48] <S-M-Gl> lcb:right, just cant wait, its a big release, at-least thats what I think.
[00:49] <lcb> yes it is
[00:49] <alokito> S-M-Gl: it'll be announced in #ubuntu-release-party as soon as it's released
[00:50] <lcb> i got a lot of beer already, for the party.
[00:50] <S-M-Gl> alokito:thanks for the heads-up
[00:50] <jbwiv_> guys, anyone know why freenx was removed from natty?
[00:51] <lcb> !info freenx
[00:52] <zenrox> probly a dead package
[00:52] <jbwiv_> sad
[00:52] <zenrox> that tends to be the usual responce
[00:52] <jbwiv_> can anyone recommend an alternative solution for remote desktops which performs better than vnc?
[00:53] <Pici> jbwiv_: Are you sure that it was in the repos? The documentation I see here says it was in a PPA
[00:53] <zenrox> !info terminal server client
[00:53] <lcb> jbwiv, i like TeamViewer
[00:54] <jbwiv_> Pici, hmm...perhaps you're right. can 't remember when i installed it
[00:54] <zenrox> jbwiv try terminal server client
[00:54] <IdleOne> freenx used to be in the repos like 4-5 releases ago
[00:54] <zenrox> it does every thang
[00:54] <alokito> jbwiv_: there are different vnc servers which perform differently from each other
[00:54] <jbwiv_> lcb: that's new to me, I"ll take a look. zenrox, isn't that for rdp? you can't expose a linux desktop through rdp unless you use the hacked vnc->rdp approach iirc
[00:54] <jbwiv_> alokito, which do you consider the best?
[00:54] <alokito> I use realvnc in both linux and windows
[00:55] <lcb> jbwiv, for me is good because i can connect trough the Internet, wherever i would be.
[00:55] <jbwiv_> alokito, is performance decent?
[00:55] <jbwiv_> lcb: thats nie
[00:55] <jbwiv_> nice
[00:55] <IdleOne> jbwiv: try teamviewer it is free for individual use and it works pretty well. check their website for the deb package.
[00:55] <alokito> jbwiv_: don't know about best but it performs very good
[00:55] <alokito> ubuntu has a vnc server installed by default btw
[00:56] <alokito> don't know if it'll be in natty
[00:56] <zenrox> jbwiv, it does rdp,vnc,and xsession
[00:56] <jbwiv_> alokito, yeah...well, at least in the last release, it would break if compiz was enabled
[00:56] <jbwiv_> zenrox, as a client...but I need a server
[00:56] <Kano> IdleOne: did you notice that teamviewer is a win app running with wine
[00:56] <lcb> jbwiv, and direct connections too
[00:56] <lcb> jbwiv, direct connections meaning on my network
[00:56] <IdleOne> Kano: yes but it works well
[00:56] <zenrox> jbwiv, you can tell xserv to be a server
[00:57] <jbwiv_> IdleOne, lcb: wonder what firewall requirements teamviewer has. the nice thing about nx is that it runs over ssh
[00:57] <alokito> jbwiv_: then you can try realvnc, its not free though...
[00:57] <Kano> IdleOne: not always the best speed, but it is ok
[00:57] <IdleOne> jbwiv: none
[00:57] <jbwiv_> zenrox, you can tell xserv to be an rdp server?
[00:57] <jbwiv_> Kano, teamviewer is slow?
[00:58] <IdleOne> jbwiv: there is a little lag but it was not enough for me to say it was slow
[00:58] <freaky[t]> i used the ntfs-tool but it adds all the ntfs devices to automount ;(
[00:58] <alokito> teamviewer linux version uses win emulation
[00:58] <zenrox> jbwiv, it wont be a rdp server but i will forward xserv packets over a network
[00:58] <Kano> IdleOne: what you can not control with it is when you run vbox inside linux. then you have to install teamviewer inside vbox too...
[00:58] <Kano> jbwiv_: compared to x11vnc it is
[00:58] <zenrox> and act like a full dm login
[00:58] <alokito> so it shouldn't perform as fast as linux native vnc servers
[00:58] <alokito> wine*
[00:58] <jbwiv_> zenrox, yes...and sloooowly ;-)
[00:59] <IdleOne> Kano: I don't use it so much that the lag bothers me all that much. in a pinch teamviewer does what i need.
[00:59] <Kano> i used it serveral times already
[00:59] <IdleOne> dinner time.
[00:59] <zenrox> jbwiv, i never had a prob with speed
[01:00] <zenrox> but then i did use a lighter wm
[01:00] <Kano> sometimes i switched back to x11vnc because of too much delay
[01:00] <jbwiv_> I think i'll stick with freenx for now. It's very fast
[01:00] <jbwiv_> thanks guys...found the ppa.Pici was correct
[01:00] <Kano> freenx usually creates a new desktop
[01:00] <jbwiv_> Kano, yes, it does
[01:01] <lcb> jbwiv, you have deb for that, so. you could even compile it
[01:01] <Kano> what i usually need is that the current desktop is exposed
[01:01] <jbwiv_> do you guys trust TeamViewer? I don't know anything about them. I assume they serve as some sort of proxy?
[01:01] <lcb> jbwiv, it's pretty good and fast.
[01:02] <Kano> jbwiv_: the use case is different from freenx
[01:02] <jbwiv_> wow...it's also pricey, for commercial use ;-)
[01:02] <Kano> but similar to skype you can transfer files thru firewall protected networks as 2nd use case ;)
[01:03] <lcb> jbwiv, the base package is more than enough jbwiv
[01:03] <jbwiv_> lcb, yes, but I'm trying to use it for work for my company ;-)
[01:04] <jbwiv_> course, I guess the'd never know, but I try to play honestly with these things
[01:04] <lcb> jbwiv, oh... if the inspection goes there you get a "ticket", i see
[01:05] <jbwiv_> lcb :-)
[01:06] <lcb> even with free antivirus, in some countries and under software release rules, you can't use it 'in' comercial places
[01:08] <lcb> Kano, with skype you get almost the full package; the files and the people sending it :)
[01:09] <Kano> well with teamviewer you only accept file transfer once, then you can copy the whole hd if you want...
[01:10] <tim> government here plans to switch back from linux to windows. so sad
[01:10] <Kano> the win os is not that important, but the office apps are overpriced...
[01:10] <tim> and so is most software on win.
[01:11] <lcb> linux is getting expensive for governments for quite long time; no revenues from taxes.
[01:12] <jbwiv_> wow...have you guys tried x2go? it's extremely fast on this end
[01:12] <jbwiv_> faster than nx it appears
[01:12] <tim> yeah, the reason they tell the people is that they want to "support the local companies", implying that windows is "local"
[01:12] <Kano> tim: you need to create linux alternatives first, thats definitely nothing you do in a few days. but you could at least begin converting ms office tools to open/libre office to get rid of that depend
[01:14] <Kano> tim: cload bases solutions will help too..., then you could even do everything in your webbrower...
[01:15] <lcb> nite all, 1:15 am here. time to dream... sleeping.
[01:15] <Q-FUNK> didn't natty release today already?
[01:15] <jbwiv_> Q-FUNK, I believe it's tomorrow
[01:16] <Q-FUNK> schedule said 28th
[01:16] <lcb> 28th
[01:16] <alokito> its 28th morning here in South Asia!
[01:16] <ssfdre38> hey do you know how long till 11.04 is out?
[01:16] <alokito> !isitout
[01:17] <alokito> there you go ssfdre38!
[01:17] <ssfdre38> i know its not out yet but how many hrs left
[01:17] <alokito> no idea :P
[01:17] <ssfdre38> ok
[01:17] <ssfdre38> !11.04
[01:17] <alokito> you can join #ubuntu-release-party if you want
[01:18] <ssfdre38> i read somewhere it was at 23:30 but i dont know what timezone
[01:18] <alokito> UTC maybe
[01:19] <aber> maybe
[01:19] <ssfdre38> then it would be release right now
[01:40] <fieris> what silent !!!!!
[01:41] <marcavis> Everybody's busy upgrading, I suppose ;)
[01:41] <ssfdre38> my server is up-to-date
[01:42] <marcavis> Well, folks, is natty looking solid so far for you? thinking of upgrading today
[01:42] <boodroscotch> Hey guys, do any of you have problems with setting the Chromium Daily Build from the PPA as the default browser?
[01:42] <boodroscotch> It's been going on for quite a while.
[01:42] <ssfdre38> !isitout
[01:43] <marcavis> hehehe
[01:43] <rendero> when will be available 11.04 ?
[01:43] <arand> marcavis: All depends on if you like unity...
[01:43] <marcavis> Yeah I've heard a bit about it... I'll have to try it I think
[01:43] <arand> rendero: I've told you, sometime before 29th
[01:44] <rendero> arand but here its written 28th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:44] <marcavis> huh
[01:44] <arand> You are not listening are you? :p
[01:45] <rendero> ...
[01:45] <rww> rendero: 11.04 is scheduled to be released sometime during the time period when it's April 28th somewhere on the planet.
[01:45] <rendero> ok
[01:47] <alokito> it should've released in may day to honor worker's revolution :P
[01:47] <rww> then it would be 11.05!
[01:47] <alokito> lol yah
[01:50] <itaylor57> boodroscotch: I have chromium daily what is your problem?
[01:50] <KM0201> is it out?
[01:50] <KM0201> lol
[01:51] <KM0201> ask that in release-party, and you get kicked
[01:51] <ssfdre38> !isitout
[01:51] <KM0201> ssfdre38: but if you ask "is it out" in release party, you get kicked..lol
[01:51] <alokito> seems like it's close :D
[01:51] <ssfdre38> i saw
[01:51] <alokito> ubottu changed it's response
[01:53] <computerwiz_222> I have an issue on my system running 11.04 with the latest updates. There is a region in the lower portion of my screen that ignores input from the mouse. If I am in Firefox, I cannot scroll or click. In minecraft, all clicks are ignored. It seems to be a system-wide anomaly. Any ideas?
[01:53] <computerwiz_222> (in fullscreen versions of applications, vlc or minecraft, this issue goes away)
[01:54] <kavurt> my touchpad's scroll doesn't work. it was normal with 10.04.  ??
[01:55] <arand> kavurt: Have you made sure it's enabled as well? (I think it comes disabled per default...)
[01:55] <kavurt> arand: can you tell me how to enable it?
[01:56] <arand> kavurt: Mouse in system setting under shutdown button
[01:57] <linuxman410> need help with display intel 845ge on board have only one resolution
[01:58] <boodroscotch> itaylor57: well, I can't set it as the default browser
[01:58] <linuxman410> can someone help
[01:59] <itaylor57> boodroscotch: I had that problem in the past,but it came and went
[01:59] <kavurt> arand: it's already enabled. it looks like i have a bigger problem :(
[02:00] <computerwiz_222> i have looked more into my issue, it is definitely system wide with unity
[02:00] <itaylor57> boodroscotch: when I have seen that, it won't let me set it but it still acts like the default
[02:00] <computerwiz_222> when using a terminal there is a large region where I am unable to select text in the lower quadrant of my screen
[02:02] <computerwiz_222> this issue has affected me more than once, with restarts in between
[02:02] <boodroscotch> itaylor57: hm, it doesn't act like default at all for me.
[02:02] <itaylor57> boodroscotch: no idea then
[02:07] <linuxman410> can some help me with my display
[02:07] <linuxman410> any links or anything
[02:08] <coz_> linuxman410,  sorry i didnt see your original post
[02:10] <linuxman410> coz i have a tntel 845ge only one resoulution
[02:10] <linuxman410> resolution
[02:10] <coz_> linuxman410,  ah ,, darn ,, I know far too little about intel graphics to helps
[02:11] <linuxman410> coz_ i need to make a xorg.conf file
[02:14] <mrdeb> does anyone know how to make ipod work with banshee
[02:16] <piero> Hi! How can I know if I'm running gnome or unity?
[02:17] <coz_> piero,   have you seen either screenshots of unity  or videos?
[02:17] <piero> coz_, yes I did. But U
[02:18] <coz_> piero,  the 2 look pretty different from one another
[02:18] <piero> But unity is pretty like gnome, and I made an upgrade from 10.10. So my menus are the same as lastday. gnome-panel is running... I saw in process's list
[02:18] <mrdeb> piero: unity has icons on the left
[02:18] <coz_> piero,  Unity has the large     launcher panel on the left part of the screen ,, but classic gnome just has the top and bottom panels
[02:19] <coz_> piero,  ok y ou upgraded and the desktop looks the same...yes?
[02:20] <piero> hmm! but, is there a process that is always and just running when you are using unity?
[02:20] <piero> coz_, right!
[02:20] <coz_> piero, ok  which video card do you have on that machine?
[02:20] <piero> but I selected "Ubuntu Desktop" in gdm
[02:20] <coz_> piero,  open a terminal    lspci | grep -i vga
[02:20] <coz_> piero,  ah
[02:20] <piero> coz_, no 3d acceleration here. I'm a sad man who bought a sis chipset
[02:21] <coz_> piero,  ok  then you need to install  Unity-2d  from synaptic package manager
[02:21] <piero> roger coz_ , but I'm not going to do that, since unity-2d are QT based.
[02:21] <coz_> piero,  open synaptic   hit Search  type in  Unity-2d
[02:22] <coz_> piero,  then you are stuck with  classic gnome
[02:22] <piero> yeah.. but do you think I will be able to run gnome-3 in 11.10?
[02:22] <piero> (this is a question for ubuntu+2)
[02:23] <coz_> piero,  if you cannot run with 3d acceleration than I dont think mutter will work either but I havent played with it recently
[02:23] <piero> and do you liked?
[02:24] <coz_> piero,  I do not like gnome3  no .. just my opinion,,,
[02:24] <piero> hmm
[02:24] <digdeep> install virtualbox 4.0.6 on ubuntu 11.04, but /etc/init.d/vboxdrv is missing. Anyone please?
[02:25] <coz_> digdeep,  if I remember correctly... i believe someone said virtualbox is broken on natty,, but not positive
[02:25] <piero> finally, can you send me your sources.list file?
[02:25] <piero> my configuration is pretty dumped
[02:25] <coz_> piero,  hold on
[02:26] <sebsebseb> digdeep: ok let's get you that link I was on about in #ubuntu
[02:26] <micahg> digdeep: do you have dkms installed?
[02:26] <sebsebseb> digdeep: something I will probabably do myself eventualley, with another distro as host :)
[02:27] <sebsebseb> kancerman: micahg http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[02:27] <sebsebseb> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[02:28] <coz_> piero,  I dont think my sources list is default... you will have to ask someone else   ...sorry
[02:28] <sebsebseb> kancerman: if you follow these instructions ^ then things should be ok
[02:28] <piero> right, thanks coz_
[02:28] <sebsebseb> uh why am I messaging kancerman when I mean to message digdeep ?
[02:28] <Luke1> ubuntu 11.04 "There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256"
[02:28] <digdeep> Hi all, I installed virtualbox 4.0.6 (I think it is the latest) INSIDE natty. It is not working. I need to "sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup", but /etc/init.d/vboxdrv  is missing
[02:28] <Luke1> gdm is basically failing hard for me
[02:29] <micahg> digdeep: you won't have that with 4.0.6 since natty has 4.0.4
[02:29] <sebsebseb> Luke1: quite a few alternative log in screens :)
[02:29] <Luke1> ?
[02:29] <Luke1> sebsebseb: what do you mean?
[02:29] <sebsebseb> Luke1: well you said gdm was failing on you
[02:30] <sebsebseb> Luke1: so maybe an alternative log in screen would work instead
[02:30] <Luke1> I suspect that's just one symptom of a deeper issue
[02:30] <Luke1> i don't think it has to do with GDM in particular
[02:30] <sebsebseb> Luke1: however yeah your issue is probably something deeper as you say, as well
[02:30] <Luke1> gconf-sanity-check-2 implies something bad
[02:30] <devkorcvince> anyone with successfull update 10.10 64bit to 11.04 64bit?
[02:30] <digdeep> micahg: virtualbox 4.0.6 is saying I should run "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup" If it is not there, what should I do?
[02:31] <sebsebseb> digdeep: not sure, but I think it may mean to install the kernel modules, looks similar to something I have had before
[02:31] <sebsebseb> digdeep: which Virtualbox did you install, or I should say how did you do so?
[02:31] <Luke1> i'm getting the gconf-sanity-check-2 error after an update
[02:31] <micahg> digdeep: it should be in /opt/VirtualBox or something similar if you're running the oracle version
[02:32] <sebsebseb> digdeep: make sure to install the non OSE version, and things should be ok
[02:33] <micahg> sebsebseb: no such thing anymore
[02:33] <sebsebseb> micahg: true
[02:33] <sebsebseb> micahg: ah well you can help them :) or try to
[02:34] <Luke1> it looks like I upgraded and now /tmp/ isn't writable - anyone know why that would be
[02:34] <Luke1> ?
[02:35] <digdeep> I download virtualbox 4.0.6 from virtualbox offical website, then install it
[02:36] <Luke1> omg that fixed everything!
[02:36] <Luke1> tmp became unwritable for some reason
[02:36] <Luke1> why would that happen?
[02:36] <Luke1> //tmp that is
[02:38] <torchie> srsly why do wobble windows bust nuts whenever the window is slightly off screen
[02:39] <torchie> viewport switcher too
[02:39] <micahg> digdeep: it's been a long time since I downloaded virtualbox, I used the oracle deb repo for a long while
[02:39] <digdeep> but during installation, software centre says it is in bad quality
[02:40] <rww_> oracle is not great at making deb packages.
[02:41] <Luke1> man my computer is fubared from - i upgraded something which caused /tmp to not be writable as well as tons of random gnome stuff being messed (themes are broken etc)
[02:42] <bjsnider> yofel_, so far gnome 3 from the ppa is far quicker and less buggy than unity
[02:44] <digdeep> Miracle!
[02:44] <digdeep> somehow, reinstalled after 3 times. It works!
[02:45] <digdeep> not sure what I did
[02:45] <Luke1> exit
[02:47] <kavurt> my gui update hung at 95%. i cancelled it. there's 200 updates available. now i do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade", it tells me no updates available. ??
[02:48] <tim> try dist-upgrade
[02:49] <micahg> kavurt: run update-manager again
[02:50] <kavurt> micahg: where's update-manager?
[02:51] <kavurt> tim: i tried it. it gives the same result. 0 updates...
[02:51] <tim> kavurt: just type update-manager on the terminal
[02:51] <micahg> kavurt: how did you run the original update?
[02:52] <torchie> UBUNUT
[02:52] <kavurt> micahg: it came up itself into the system tray automatically.
[02:53] <kavurt> tim: update-manager wasn't installed. now i'm installing it.
[02:53] <micahg> kavurt: you said GUI, how were you upgrading before?
[02:55] <kavurt> micahg: it appears in the system tray whenever updates available. and i just click on it. and it updates the system. isn't it gui?
[02:55] <ssfdre38> !isitout
[02:56] <micahg> kavurt: all the updates might be installed, it depends where it was hung
[02:58] <arand> What's the default numbers for launching files & folders and USC?
[02:59] <kavurt> micahg: same thing happened before. i thought like just what you said. but apparently they weren't installed. and same amount of updates appeared at a later time. and exactly same thing happened again. btw update-manager couldn't find any updates eiter.
[02:59] <arand> i.e. Which number are they normally in the panel?
[03:00] <micahg> kavurt: you can try sudo dpkg --configure -a, if anything was left, it was probably the package configuration
[03:02] <kavurt> thanks micahg: i'll try it
[03:05] <lucus> hi everyone. Wanted to ask if it is worth migrating to btrfs with natty
[03:06] <habanany> Hey faamily... how do i run lmms in ubuntu 11.04
[03:06] <DETERMINOLOGY> dang
[03:06] <DETERMINOLOGY> this room getting thick
[03:11] <arand> lucus: No. Use it to test, nothing else.
[03:14] <arand> lucus: (My opinion, based on general status and ubuntu's implementation)
[03:16] <lucus> arand: The only problem so far is slow boot... Would there be any issues with corruption?
[03:17] <arand> lucus: btrfs is not considered stable yet (you can get around the slow boot by removing the btrfsck symlink, btw)
[03:17] <arand> lucus: So I would definitely make sure to keep everythin imortant on the btrfs well backupped
[03:18] <arand> lucus: Corruption is not as uncommon as it should be, plus there is no proper btrfscktool
[03:18] <arand> SO even slight errors can lead to an borked fs
[03:19] <lucus> arand: I already did backups. So removing the symlink won't cause the bootprocess to halt?
[03:19] <arand> lucus: No, it will just report an error and carry on.
[03:19] <wipmonkey> anyone got a Palm Pre they use for wifi tethering in 11.04??
[03:19] <kholerabbi> is it out yet?
[03:20] <lucus> arand: ain't there any other way to tune btrfsck, to do a check every 30 boots or so? I remember hardy had the same caveat... When it wanted to check something it could take ages...
[03:21] <arand> lucus: The symlink was added just recently ;)
[03:21] <wipmonkey> khkolerabbi is what out yet?
[03:21] <micahg> kholerabbi: #ubuntu-release-party for that
[03:22] <arand> lucus: Current btrfsck is a clunky piece of junk.. You don't tune it, you simply don't use it except for specific diagnostics.
[03:22] <lucus> arand: got the idea ;)
[03:23] <arand> lucus: Which the maintainer who enabled it seems to disagree with, or is simply unknowing of..
[03:24] <lucus> arand: last question... where is this symlink located?
[03:25] <arand> lucus: /sbin/fsck.btrfs -> /sbin/btrfsck   is the link used
[03:27] <lucus> arand: thanks! In your opinion, is btrfs far from becoming stable?
[03:27] <lars_t_h> arand, i renember the firsr time ext4 was included with Ubuntu. Then i begin to use files bigger than 512 MB, the files became corrupted.
[03:29] <arand> lucus: There is a _lot_ of work going into btrfs so I hope that it will not be that far off. The reworked btrfsck *should* be out "soon™" ... =)
[03:30] <lucus> arand: Thanks for being so helpful!
[03:31] <arand> lucus: I really look forward to it, cheap snapshotting could be such a great thing if automated correctly.
[03:32] <arand> i.e. downgrading: now enabled!
[03:32] <bjsnider> arand, how soon?
[03:33] <bjsnider> i want an exxact date and time
[03:33] <lucus> arand: not only that! Imagine different roots for subvolumes, compression, snapshooting, all those goodies!
[03:34] <arand> bjsnider: Sorry, crystal globe just broke :(
[03:35] <arand> lucus: natty does already setup two subvolumes: @ and @home for / and /home ;)
[03:36] <lucus> arand: I did manually three. @32 @64 and @home and migrated there from ext4 with a sync utility. Works like a charm 'till now
[03:38] <lucus> arand: one other thing I noticed is that there is not much discussion going on after 2010. Looks like interest has dropped a bit
[03:38] <arand> Oh, dual-booting different archs from the same btrfs and shared home? That sounds cool...
[03:39] <arand> lucus: Well in the public at least, #btrfs and the mailing list is quite active..
[03:39] <lucus> arand: that was my idea in the first place ;)
[03:39] <lucus> arand: was thinking about an @iso too! Just to put all the isos grub can boot ;)
[03:41] <arand> lucus: It's like LVM2^4 =)
[03:44] <lucus> arand: LVM2 is a good idea. I have to have winblows on my comp unfortunately...
[03:45] <bitplane> is there a chat room for unity?
[03:45] <arand> Well btrfs kind of does the same things as LVM, but just much better.
[03:47] <arand> (Well no really, but there are a lot of overlaps, but btrfs implementation makes it possible to use in much more cases)
[03:47] <lucus> arand: see you again perhaps another time? Have to go now. Thanks!
[03:47] <arand> lucus: See ya.
[03:48] <bitplane> inkscape's right click menu in unity's panel has this nice "new document" option
[03:48] <bitplane> is that stored in the desktop file?
[03:49] <bitplane> ooh yes it is
[03:50] <ajin> is ubuntu11.04 usable or stable now?
[03:50] <bitplane> pretty much, there's some reasonably ugly bugs still but it's just about usable
[03:50] <arand> ajin: Kinda, depending if you like Unity..
[03:50] <mhall119> ajin: it gets released tomorrow, so it'd better be
[03:50] <arand> (Or classic, I guess..)
[03:51] <ajin> OMG!
[03:51] <bitplane> main things that have annoyed me are 1) your leftmost monitor must be your first output. 2) subwoofer is disabled all the f*cking time 3) global menu bar crashes if you restart compiz
[03:52] <ajin> it's April 28 already here in China
[03:52] <bitplane> same here in the uk, if 4am counts as the morning!
[03:53] <ajin> technically, 4am counts as the morning, lol
[03:55] <bitplane> I'm not in work 'til tuesday... so my sleeping cycle says 4am is lunchtime
[03:55] <bitplane> :D
[04:00] <fieris> quit
[04:01] <ajin> i'm waiting for the release time spot
[04:01] <ajin> which is annoying
[04:03] <ssfdre38> ajin: there is no set time
[04:03] <rendero> !isitout
[04:04] <ajin> ssfdre38: TKS
[04:17] <devkorcvince> any issues on upgrading 10.10 -> 11.04?
[04:18] <debg> Hi. anyone facing any issue with full screen flash video playback ?
[04:21] <debg> everytime I switch from full screen, kde crashed and I have to reboot the laptop.
[04:25] <semitones> how can i find out what driver my touchpad is using?
[04:28] <nastjuid> Just installed natty and was wondering what the little marks on the left of the icon mean. are they indicators of how many windows are open in relation to that item?
[04:29] <Omega> Yes, what windows are open :)
[04:30] <nastjuid> cool. so for menu items that would have normally shown up in the menu, how would I find those? I just installed crossover games but I can't find it in any of the menus
[04:31] <nastjuid> is that something codeweavers would have to change so that it shows up on the bar?
[04:31] <semitones> nastjuid, hmm, can you still find them by searching?
[04:32] <nastjuid> semitones: not so far
[04:32] <nastjuid> it's also not in the big list of applications
[04:32] <semitones> nastjuid, hmm, i don't know!
[04:33] <debg> semitones: you can check that in system setting -> input device --> Touchpad  or dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-input*
[04:33] <semitones> debg, cool thanks! (i have to report a bug)
[04:33] <victory747> I am having troubles with unity/compiz and the nvidia 173 driver. compiz
[04:33] <victory747> keeps crashing
[04:35] <nastjuid> I'll just play with it some more and see about adding them to the bar. the binaries aren't in path by default anyway. I'm sure it's easily remedied
[04:35] <nastjuid> semitones: thansk though :)
[04:35] <semitones> np :) have fun
[04:40] <Flynsarmy> Is it still set for a 28th release?
[04:41] <debg> Flynsarmy: it says so in the website . :)
[04:41] <Flynsarmy> debg: ya, thought as much - OmgUbuntu! had it pegegd for a 'tuesday' release or something in one of their articles so i figured i'd confirm :)
[04:42] <rww_> OMG!Ubuntu is wrong frequently.
[04:43] <unityproblem> final release nt showing up in update manger?
[04:43] <micahg> !isitoutyet > Flynsarmy
[04:44] <KM0201> lol
[04:45] <Flynsarmy> micahg: ... i never asked if it was out yet
[04:45] <micahg> Flynsarmy: same idea :)
[04:46] <debg> if I try to switch from full screen flash video to windowed, kde crashes, any idea how to fix it ? I am using kubuntu natty
[04:47] <micahg> unityproblem: from maverick?
[04:48] <xiambax> how do i enable gnome3 user theme extension
[04:48] <spirals> Hi. Dolphin is not showing me updated views of folders when I browse to them. What am I doing wrong? Currently have to "Refresh" by hitting F5 to see new files in a folder that Dolphin previously displayed
[04:49] <spirals> this is under Natty/KDE 4.6 of course
[04:50] <debg> spirals: Is this your issue --> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267709 ?
[04:51] <debg> spirals: fix is here -->  http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=94172&p=192521&hilit=dolphin+empty+home#p192349
[04:51] <spirals> No. I'll give a specific use case. Let's say I am browsing a folder on my Desktop in Dolphin. I then navigate to a subfolder of Desktop, then back to Desktop. In my web browser, I download an image file to that subfolder, then browse back into the subfolder from the Desktop in Dolphin.  The new file does not appear.
[04:52] <spirals> All the other files appear normally as they were - it feels like a caching problem of some kind. I did clear my dotfiles completely when setting up natty and haven't had any other weirdness with Dolphin
[04:52] <spirals> Hitting F5/selecting refresh from the menu makes the new file appear reliably
[04:53] <spirals> This behavior seems more appropriate (if annoying) for cases where the file was downloaded to the current directory without any change of directory in dolphin. However it's affecting folders that aren't the currently displayed folder.
[04:54] <spirals> in addition to currently displayed folders
[04:54] <spirals> I'm going to apply that 'fix' anyway and see if it changes what I'm seeing. Thank you for the link.
[04:54] <MandoJM> hello
[04:54] <spirals> I assume release will have that config baked in by default ;)
[04:55] <debg> I can't reproduce what you said, So, I am not sure what is going on
[04:55] <debg> does it happen all the time ? or did it start after you applied some updates ?
[04:55] <MandoJM> at what time is Natty releasing?
[04:55] <spirals> I can state it more succinctly: Any folder I'd previously viewed in that instance of Dolphin doesn't immediately update until I hit F5.
[04:55] <spirals> Nah, it's been the case since beta release for me.
[04:56] <rww_> MandoJM: no set time, release will be announced in #ubuntu-release-party and other places
[04:56] <MandoJM> rrw_: thanks
[04:57] <spirals> Weeeird. That *did* fix it. Totally counterintuitive and I hate the fix in principle, but I'm glad it fixed it.
[04:57] <semitones> rww_, does bsadfl have a big red button that triggers the release?
[04:57] <spirals> My home folder is *not* /home :(
[04:57] <rww_> semitones: no, but the release manager might ;)
[04:57] <spirals> Thanks again Debg
[04:57] <semitones> rww_, lol awesome!
[04:57] <debg> spirals: yw :)
[04:58] <spirals> debg, that's actually the very first stupid hack (or hack at all) I've had to apply to kubuntu 11.04 since beta release
[04:58] <spirals> very high level of functionality ootb :)
[05:03] <victory747> Is /var/log/messages being used on natty? It seems /etc/rsyslog.d config files were changed a couple months ago and now my /var/log/messages is empty. Is this normal for natty?
[05:04] <spirals> Debg, the fix was supposed to be in 4.6.2 for the bug you linked. We're on 4.6.2 on natty now. So, I think it's a related bug and they fixed it the wrong way, because the dumb workaround is still necessary for my problem.
[05:04] <spirals> If it's still there at Natty release I'll follow up again and make sure a proper report is filed.
[05:04] <debg> spirals: after the workaround , you can see the new file without refresh ?
[05:04] <spirals> victory747, my /var/log/messages is empty too. Normal I'd say
[05:04] <spirals> debg: Correct!
[05:05] <spirals> like magic :)
[05:05] <spirals> and I was very reliably having to refresh before this, like, all day long
[05:05] <spirals> quite distracting when no OS has made me do that
[05:05] <debg> :)
[05:06] <Omega> less talky more party
[05:06] <debg> I had never seen that issue in dolphin . not sure why . may be becasue dolphin is one of my least used application .
[05:07] <debg> spirals: do you have any issue switching back from full screen flash playback ?
[05:09] <debg> for me it always crashes kde and I can't find a way to fix it . I just hope it fixes itself after formatting my laptop and installing the final release.
[05:10] <spirals> debg, Yes I do have that problem. Fullscreen flash was actually working perfectly for me at the initial beta release, for the first time ever in any linux for me
[05:11] <spirals> I would be very happy to apply any kind of hack to fix it... I'm on 'radeon' on a hd4870 card
[05:11] <debg> me too ,
[05:11] <donpdonp> can i start asking about Oneiric Ocelot yet? :)
[05:12] <spirals> Given that it's *never* worked in the past reliably with good performance, I'll give the devs a large pass on it.
[05:12] <spirals> But, it worked earlier in the month, so there's hope :)
[05:12] <debg> I had this problem since beta2. earlier it was working fine
[05:13] <spirals> same
[05:13] <spirals> definite regression, but the beta1 state was a miracle
[05:13] <spirals> so regressing from a miracle is sort of understandable..
[05:17] <spirals> Overall, I've been enthusiastically recommending KDE to ubuntu users, and if the fullscreen flash thing improves I will be recommending it to non-techies as well.
[05:17] <spirals> which I haven't felt like doing in a long time
[05:28] <KM0201> spirals: ugh..  i tried KDE a couple weeks ago.. i just could never use/recommend it.
[05:33] <physically_fit> how many hours should i wait to get the new release?
[05:35] <spirals> KM0201, of course preference comes into it and I would never argue someone who had a preference already. But for Windows Vista/7 users it is a very comfortable experience.
[05:35] <physically_fit> hi spirals
[05:35] <spirals> And that appears to be a deliberate success on the part of the KDE project. Kudos to them
[05:35] <KM0201> spirals: not really sure what you're talking about
[05:35] <KM0201> spirals: oh, KDE>. yeah.. i'd agree
[05:36]  * KM0201 never, ever liked KDE
[05:36] <spirals> hi physically_fit
[05:36] <histo> anyone know when the release will drop?
[05:36] <histo> have to download an iso for someone at work. Thinking aobut just pulling the daily
[05:36] <rww_> histo: When it's done ;P
[05:37] <rww_> Sometime before it stops being the 28th everywhere on the planet.
[05:37]  * KM0201 notices VLC is working great now.
[05:37] <histo> rww_: it's not a baby it's done just wonering when thy normally hit the servers
[05:37] <KM0201> must have been one of those upgrades today
[05:37] <rww_> histo: You'd be surprised.
[05:53] <cordoval_> how can I fix the missing left bar on natty?
[05:53] <cordoval_> missing top bar also
[05:53] <cordoval_> tried to mess up with lamp effect then type in some commands and it was gone
[05:53] <cordoval_> now i am jus trying to get it back to work s it was before
[05:54] <cordoval_> hello anyone?
[05:55] <soreau> cordoval_: Perhaps you need the unity panel service restarted?
[05:55] <soreau> unity-panel-service
[05:55] <cordoval_> yeshow do I do that?
[05:56] <cordoval_> that is it on a terminal?
[05:56] <soreau> Yes try it and see what happens
[05:56] <cordoval_> should i logo ut or run it from the classic terminal
[05:56] <cordoval_> command not found
[05:56] <cordoval_> should i log back into ubuntu default mode?
[05:56] <cordoval_> or just classic?
[05:57] <cordoval_> soreau: ?
[05:57] <soreau> hm
[05:58] <freaky[t]> im using classic because unity suddenlty stops hiding itself
[05:58] <soreau> cordoval_: /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service is provided by package 'unity' in natty
[05:58] <cordoval_> I uninstalled the compiz compontents after messing up and missing the animation effect then I ran cordoval@cordoval-HP-Pavilion-dv2000-RM421LA-ABM:~$ sudo apt-get install nux-tools/natty libnux-0.9-0/natty libnux-0.9-common/natty
[05:58] <cordoval_>  and got messed up
[05:58] <linusasus6> Hi I would like to know when the update will be avaible and if we can use both shell unity and gnome, me I prefer gnome but I will try unity for see, if I dont like I will delete unity
[05:58] <cordoval_> rats! so I log out
[05:58] <cordoval_> I will be back
[06:00] <cordoval_> rats!
[06:00] <cordoval_> I am on natty now
[06:00] <cordoval_> and unity-panel-service is not found
[06:00] <cordoval_> rats!
[06:00] <cordoval_> please help me
[06:00] <cordoval_> just want to reestablish the thing
[06:00] <cordoval_> panel on the left and top missing
[06:00] <cordoval_> tell me what I shall do and I will do it
[06:00] <cordoval_> please
[06:00] <cordoval_> help!
[06:01] <soreau> cordoval_: I told you /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service is provided by package 'unity' in natty
[06:01] <cordoval_> so?
 and unity-panel-service is not found
[06:01] <cordoval_> cordoval@cordoval-HP-Pavilion-dv2000-RM421LA-ABM:~$  /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service
[06:01] <cordoval_> bash: /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service: No such file or directory
[06:01] <cordoval_> ?
[06:02] <soreau> So you probably need to (re)install unity
[06:02] <cordoval_> how to do it
[06:02] <cordoval_> please tell me how and I will do it right away
[06:02] <cordoval_> sudo apt-get install unit?
[06:02] <KM0201> cordoval_: did you install gnome-shell, then remove it.. and thats how you got that error?
[06:02] <linusasus6> sypnatic manager search unity install unity-core
[06:03] <cordoval_> I think i ran an exe for magic effect animation on compiz
[06:03] <KM0201> cordoval_: i think you'd want to sudo apt-get install unity
[06:03] <cordoval_> then got messed up missing, but all was right
[06:03] <cordoval_> then did an uninstall of compiz opgl compiz, advanced and then reinstall then restart and ran compiz replace and got it messed up I think
[06:04] <cordoval_> sypnatic manager search unity install unity-core	?
[06:04] <cordoval_> which one should I try?
[06:04] <cordoval_> i get several answers
[06:04] <KM0201> cordoval_: an .exe, for compiz? that doesn't even make sense
[06:04] <cordoval_> it ws an 2008 script someone had done to get the mac osx effect
[06:04] <cordoval_> the animation basically
[06:04] <cordoval_> for compiz
[06:04] <cordoval_> that got rid of the lamp animation
[06:05] <cordoval_> so I had it but I ran this and messed it up
[06:05] <cordoval_> then how to restore that I tried to uninstall install the compiz components completely
[06:05] <cordoval_> sypnatic manager search unity install unity-core	
[06:05] <cordoval_> is that what I need to do?
[06:05] <cordoval_> just the code?
[06:06] <bhavesh> !isitoutyet
[06:06] <cordoval_> ?
[06:06] <bhavesh> Ijust wanted to know is it out yet.. lol
[06:06] <cordoval_> how to resintall unity
[06:07] <cordoval_> did a sudo apt-get install unity
[06:07] <cordoval_> it is running
[06:07] <cordoval_> I hope this is it
[06:07] <cordoval_>  unity-panel-service
[06:07] <cordoval_> unity-panel-service: command not found
[06:07] <bhavesh> #ubuntu-release-party
[06:07] <rww> cordoval_: can you decrease you use of the Enter key, please :)
[06:08] <cordoval_> please how to reinstall unity? thank you rww
[06:08] <nishanth> when is natty out?
[06:08] <cordoval_> will do so at once
[06:08] <rww> nishanth: no set time, should be sometime before it stops being the 28th everywhere on the planet
[06:08] <rww> cordoval_: no idea, I use KDE
[06:08] <bazhang> !crosspost | cordoval_
[06:09] <bazhang> cordoval_, #ubuntu does not support natty. please dont crosspost there.
[06:10] <cordoval_> rats!
[06:10] <cordoval_> ok so I was told to log out , but when I log out I see ubuntu, ubuntu classic, etc
[06:10] <cordoval_> I see that ubuntu is the unity
[06:10] <cordoval_> that is why I log in as that now but I don't see the bars
[06:11] <cordoval_> just please tell me how do I reinstall unity
[06:12] <KM0201> cordoval_: sudo apt-get install unity
[06:12] <ryan_> hello all
[06:12] <ryan_> I just wanted to state an issue
[06:13] <ryan_> Libre ofice didn'e print a bunch of jobs that 10.10 with open office did
[06:13] <KM0201> cordoval_: is that command not working? (showing already installed/)
[06:13] <cordoval_> KM0201: yes already installed
[06:13] <cordoval_> unity is already the newest version
[06:13] <ryan_> My printer error suggested that there was no close to the job
[06:13] <cordoval_> KM0201: how to reinstall it, just wondering
[06:14] <KM0201> cordoval_: sudo apt-get -- reinstall install unity
[06:14] <ryan_> km?reinstall what?
[06:14] <ryan_> km
[06:14] <ryan_> I did an upgrade
[06:14] <ryan_> and A fresh insatll on same lap top
[06:14] <KM0201> ryan_: he borked unity on accident, so he's trying o reinstall it
[06:15] <ryan_> fresh install worked 100% better
[06:15] <KM0201> ryan_: well, i agree w/ that.. i never upgrade, always clean install.
[06:15] <ryan_> me too
[06:15] <cordoval_> unity-panel-service: command not found
[06:15] <ryan_> :)
[06:15] <cordoval_> should I log out?
[06:15] <cordoval_> and back in?
[06:15] <cordoval_> KM0201: ?
[06:15] <KM0201> hmm, yeah, you can try that
[06:15] <cordoval_> rats what was the command?
[06:15] <cordoval_> to log out
[06:16] <cordoval_> hmmm
[06:16] <cordoval_> gnome ....
[06:16] <KM0201> system/shutdown/logout?
[06:16] <unityproblem> final release nt showing up in update manger?
[06:16] <rww> unityproblem: final release isn't out yet.
[06:16] <KM0201> cordoval_: oh wait, are you stuck in CLI?
[06:16] <ryan_> unityproblem
[06:16] <cordoval_> it goes into the session but no bars
[06:16] <cordoval_> so yes cli
[06:16] <ryan_> it hasn't ben released yet
[06:16] <cordoval_> rats!
[06:16] <ryan_> wait a day
[06:17] <unityproblem> ok
[06:17] <cordoval_> need command to logout
[06:17] <cordoval_> I was given one that worked
[06:17] <cordoval_> rats!
[06:17] <cordoval_> but I forgot
[06:17] <KM0201> cordoval_: i belive... sudo logout -h now   will log you out
[06:17] <ryan_> but back up and fresh install is recomended on such a maor upgrade
[06:17] <cordoval_> cordoval@cordoval-HP-Pavilion-dv2000-RM421LA-ABM:~$ gnome-session-save --kill cordoval@cordoval-HP-Pavilion-dv2000-RM421LA-ABM:~$
[06:17] <nutsfornatty> beta 2 is the latest release atm
[06:19] <KM0201> cordoval_: did the logout -h now   command work?
[06:19] <cordoval_> no it was the one I gave you
[06:19] <KM0201> oh ok.
[06:20] <KM0201> had never used that one before.
[06:20] <cordoval_> now i got the menu bar
[06:20] <cordoval_> yey!
[06:20] <KM0201> ok.
[06:20] <cordoval_> you  rock
[06:20] <cordoval_> rock and roll
[06:20] <cordoval_> now i got the lamp back too for animation
[06:20] <KM0201> i didn't do anything but tell you how to reinstall unity
[06:21] <KM0201> heck i couldn't even telll you how to log out from CLI...lol (although i knew for sure how to restart)
[06:21] <cordoval_> and checked on the box that says animation
[06:21] <cordoval_> right
[06:21] <cordoval_> now I am trying to figure it out how to make it like mac
[06:22] <cordoval_> osx
[06:22] <cordoval_> effect
[06:22] <cordoval_> is either too fast or is not on
[06:22] <cordoval_> i don't see it
[06:23] <nutsfornatty> dream large, you can do better than mac effects with ubuntu :-)
[06:24] <cordoval_> rats i got it!
[06:24] <cordoval_> I got it!
[06:24] <cordoval_> yes
[06:24] <cordoval_> I got it
[06:24] <cordoval_> yey!
[06:24] <KM0201> hallelujah!
[06:24]  * KM0201 is gonna miss +1 tomorrow.
[06:26] <soreau> KM0201: What do you mean?
[06:26] <soreau> oh right..
[06:26] <KM0201> i like this channel
[06:26] <soreau> yea
[06:28] <bazhang> it likely wont close the very second of release
[06:28] <bazhang> could be a day or two
[06:28] <cordoval_> the compiz effect I cannot tune it rightly
[06:28] <cordoval_> ahhh
[06:30] <cordoval_> rats
[06:30] <cordoval_> anyway
[06:30] <cordoval_> goodnight
[06:30] <rww> someone needs to get a cat :<
[06:35] <histo> cat foo | grep cat
[06:40] <bullgard4> '~$ lsb_release -a; Description: Ubuntu 11.04; Release: 11.04'. Does this mean that I have got Natty Final Release?
[06:40] <rww> bullgard4: No, because "natty final release" doesn't exist yet.
[06:40] <bullgard4> rww: Ok. Thank you.
[06:44] <anthony_2409> hi, are we able to download 11.04 release now?
[06:52] <rww> anthony_2409: no, it's not out yet
[07:00] <Guest26376> !isitout
[07:18] <histo> !party
[07:34] <nijabo> Is 11.04 released now?
[07:34] <rww> no
[07:34] <nijabo> Or am I a few hours too early
[07:34] <nijabo> ah
[07:35] <mysteriousdarren> few hours early
[07:36] <nijabo> Ah ok
[07:38] <KatronixSerf> Hi all, currently running 11.01 Beta 2, my nvidia driver is installed but not enabled, how can I enable it?
[07:39] <nijabo> Additional drivers? perhaps
[07:40] <KatronixSerf> that is what tells me its installed but not enabled, but it doesn't have an enable button
[07:41] <KatronixSerf> and is there a way to tell ubuntu to look like the 10.x version? not really digging the side bar icons
[07:45] <soreau> KatronixSerf: reboot?
[07:45] <KatronixSerf> soreau, for which q?
[07:46] <soreau> former
[07:46] <KatronixSerf> ok
[07:49] <KatronixSerf> what time today is 11.04 being officially released?
[07:57] <histo> !party > KatronixSerf
[07:58] <lwizardl> hi
[07:59] <lwizardl> so what time will the official release happen today ?
[08:03] <rohan> i have an issue on ubuntu -- after i suspend, instead of resuming, my laptop powers on.
[08:09] <philsf> hi, my pidgin indicator just disappeared from the messaging menu. was this an intentional change?
[08:19] <bigbrovar-sgs> since i got a freeze on my kubuntu 11.4 yesterday while trying to turn on Bluetooth.  the system always hangs when booting up. what is even more stange is when i try to reinstall.  the installation also freezes. something that didn't use to happen before.
[08:21] <bigbrovar-sgs> i tried the 10.10 from live cd and that one booted fine. however 11.04 would not boot from cd, usb or even my local install.  there all hang at booting stage
[08:21] <bigbrovar-sgs> even entering the recovery from grub hangs.
[08:23] <bigbrovar-sgs> but 10.10 does boot fine. This is the second 11.04 install am experiencing this with same exact symptoms.
[08:24] <litropy__> Hmm - samba4 borked during the upgrade. I've tried removing it then installing it via aptitude ... please see my paste: http://pastebin.com/TEskK0Zs
[08:24] <bigbrovar-sgs> hardware is  intel core i5 arrandale graphic  chip
[08:26] <bigbrovar-sgs> i dont know if this is  kde issue, x issue, or kernel. and i have been at trying to solve this since yesterday.
[08:44] <phoenix_firebrd> is there a release party for 11.04?
[08:48] <Narwhal> !party
[08:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Narwhal: ty
[08:55] <phoenix_firebrd> where can i see the last minute testing that they do before the release?
[08:56] <tsimpson> unless you're standing behind someone doing the testing, you can't
[09:00] <alkisg> No adblock package in Natty?
[09:00] <alkisg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=adblock
[09:02] <jbicha> alkisg: it's probably a better idea to install adblock yourself than to have it packaged first
[09:02] <alkisg> jbicha: I can't do that for 10.000 students separately
[09:03] <jbicha> make your own package?
[09:06] <alkisg> Erm... I was expecting an answer along the lines of "we didn't use the adblock 1.3.6-1 package from debian because <reason-here>"
[09:07] <alvin> alkisg: Hey, you're right. Debian has adblock packages
[09:07] <alvin> interesting
[09:08] <alkisg> Maybe there were made past natty feature freeze, but still, an FFE would be justified
[09:10] <alvin> xul-ext-adblock-plus is in debian stable and natty is based on unstable (or is it experimental?). This might be intentional, but you can file a bug report for sure.
[09:12] <jbicha> alkisg: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-firefox-4
[09:13] <alkisg> "[micahg] Drop adblock-plus: DONE" ==> but I didn't understand the reasoning
[09:15] <jbicha> you could ask micahg or chrisccoulson yourself but I'm guessing it's a headache to maintain all the extension packages
[09:15] <jbicha> when Firefox autoupdates extensions, but the Ubuntu packaging process is anything but automated
[09:18] <jbicha> because Ubuntu doesn't have any Firefox extensions in the repos any more except a very few Ubuntu specific ones
[09:19] <alkisg> That's probably because of the xulrunner dependency, while those extensions on debian don't seem to have that dependency
[09:20] <jbicha> Debian also isn't shipping Firefox 4
[09:21] <alkisg> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel
[09:21] <alkisg> Anyway, I guess some waiting is in order, until all those issues are resolved
[09:21] <jbicha> yes but that's experimental and those extensions aren't FF4 extenions
[09:22] <jbicha> alkisg: I don't think they're coming back unless someone puts them in a PPA
[09:22] <andeeeuk> hi everyone
[09:23] <alkisg> jbicha: you mean that you don't expect e.g. adblock to be available even on e.g. 11.10?
[09:23] <andeeeuk> has 11.04 been released now
[09:23] <andeeeuk> still seeing it as in development on the website
[09:23] <jbicha> alkisg: that's right
[09:24] <vega> is this some kind of unity feature: i click open gnome terminal from left sidebar, after that i can't open any more terminals, the button doesn't react
[09:24] <delac> vega: middle click
[09:24] <delac> vega: normal click will just show the latest window again
[09:24] <vega> hrm, suppose there's some logic there..
[09:25] <incorrect> /j #ubuntu-release-party
[09:25] <incorrect> oops
[09:26] <vega> next task.. find the Preferences stuff
[09:28] <alkisg> jbicha: hmm, afaik since there's need for those, they'll be packaged one way or another. Anyway, we'll see.
[09:28] <vega> ok so i have alt-f2 assigned to "switch to workspace 2", well it does that but it also always opens a "run program" dialog that i need to get rid of with ESC, why?
[09:29] <nijabo> so in a few hours this is the 11.10 discussion channel? :P
[09:32] <vega> nijabo: well usually this channel is closed for a while (dunno why)
[09:32] <tsimpson> vega: because nothing of 11.10 exists for a while
[09:32] <tsimpson> if it doesn't exist, you can't get support for it
[09:33] <vega> of course.. but future stuff could still be discussed here, i don't think anyone wandering here will actually expect support for an upcoming release..
[09:34] <tsimpson> no, that happens at UDS and #ubuntu-devel
[09:34] <tsimpson> this is a support channel, not a devel channel
[09:34] <vega> i see, didn't know
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> alkisg, jbicha - extension packages in the archive have historically been poorly maintained, and we don't have the resources to update a whole archvie full of extensions across 4 stable releases every 6 weeks when a new firefox version arrives
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> and we're not going to block firefox updates on fixing in-archive extensions - so, if they are in the archive, i guarantee that they *will* break frequently
[09:39] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: I thought adblock was actively maintained... which part isn't maintained? The upstream code, the debian packaging, or there's a separate ubuntu packaging which is unmaintained? And if so, why can't the debian packaging be used instead?
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> alkisg, it requires packaging maintenance in ubuntu whether it's maintained upstream or not
[09:41] <alkisg> Tjer
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> and i'm talking about maintaining it across 4 supported releases (in addition to the development release)
[09:41] <alkisg> There's a separate ubuntu package? Or the debian package is used?
[09:41] <alkisg> I.e. if someone wanted to help, would he do that in debian, or in ubuntu?
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> he would need to do that in ubuntu, using the debian packaging
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> that doesn't solve the problem though
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> the problem is that we would need to test and push an entire archive full of extensions out of the -security pocket every few weeks, and that requires a lot of manual time regardless of where the packaging comes from
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> we've already discussed this to death, and the decision was made long ago. we're not bringing extensions back ;)
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> and if people do upload them, they *will* break within a few weeks of release
[09:43] <alkisg> Can't there be some restructuring so that extensions don't have to be updated when firefox gets security updates
[09:43] <alkisg> ?
[09:44] <alkisg> I'd expect that when an extension claims to work with firefox 3 though 6, then it's package would also be able to do that...
[09:44] <alkisg> So firefox could be updated independently from the extensions
[09:45] <zniavre> good morning
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> alkisg, no. extensions specify version compatibility (for good reason). with the new release process of firefox, updates will include feature and API changes which will either require bumping the version compatibility in extensions, updating extensions or porting them to new versions
[09:45] <zniavre> i got mixed session unity/gnome-panel how to kill the gnome-panel please ?
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> if you're suggesting that we widen the version check to avoid needing to update them - then no way! that is a guaranteed recipe for breaking firefox
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> in any case, this discussion is pointless. extensions aren't coming back
[09:48] <jbicha> alkisg: why can't you depend on firefox's builtin extension updater?
[09:49] <gnomefreak> it doesnt update our extensions, we have to update all our extensions
[09:49] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: Thank you for your feedback, I didn't know that extensions weren't to come back. Still, I'm sure that if the devs put their minds to it, they could come up with an upgrade method that would allow firefox to be upgraded independently from the extensions without causing problems. E.g. dkms for the linux kernel, javascript feature detection etc were some similar problems.
[09:50] <alkisg> jbicha: it's not only about updating. Just the act of installing adblock to thousands of students is a nightmare.
[09:51] <jbicha> right, but don't you have a standard image?
[09:51] <alkisg> Standard image? You mean /etc/skel?
[09:51] <alkisg> New students get created each year. Firefox won't cooperate well with /etc/skel.
[09:52] <jbicha> some kind of script, maybe even packaged in a deb should work for what you need
[09:53] <alkisg> Yes, it appears that we'll need to maintain those packages locally, if we're to keep using firefox as the default browser
[09:53] <jbicha> what would have happened anyway if you decided your students needed a different extension? you would have had to package it yourself anyway
[09:53] <alkisg> We may check for alternatives like epiphany, if that has a better interface for extensions
[09:54] <jbicha> yes, and there are other customizations you can do like setting the homepage, setting the wallpaper, etc
[09:54] <gnomefreak> good morning chrisccoulson_
[09:54] <chrisccoulson_> hi gnomefreak
[10:21] <scoundrel50a> I just wondered, with the release of Ubuntu 11.04, today, if it had fixed the problem of the backlight yet?
[10:24] <scoundrel50a> Anybody any ideas? I did ask yesterday, and had to go out, and by the time I got back in I was just too tired.
[10:25] <nijabo> scoundrel50a, it hasn't been released yet
[10:26] <nijabo> what problem with the backlight?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> im going to step away for a few minutes but a bug # would be very helpful
[10:28] <andeeeuk> would people recomend updating to 11.04? Is it stable to use for work purposes?
[10:33] <El_Che> andeeeuk: I run it on my workstation
[10:33] <El_Che> so far so good
[10:34] <andeeeuk> El_Che, have you come accross any bugs at all?
[10:34] <El_Che> andeeeuk: no bugs so far
[10:34]  * alkisg had problems with firefox extensions and with vnc in 2 hours of use
[10:34] <andeeeuk> so you would say that it is very stable
[10:34] <El_Che> andeeeuk: it hasn't crash, but my use may be different than yours
[10:35] <alkisg> And also some usability problems with unity
[10:35] <El_Che> yes, it's gets some getting used to
[10:36] <alkisg> I needed 1 click to go to the "preferences" menu, now I can't even find it
[10:36] <El_Che> right click on the 'on' button
[10:36] <El_Che> upper right corner
[10:36] <andeeeuk> thanks for your feedback
[10:36] <andeeeuk> I will upgrade then
[10:37] <El_Che> andeeeuk: backup your $HOME
[10:37] <alkisg> El_Che: I'm talking about the "system > preferences" menu, where is that in unity?
[10:37] <andeeeuk> i know previously unity was very unstable
[10:37] <alkisg> Also evolution doesn't support downgrading your settings, once you've been to natty
[10:37] <El_Che> alkisg: it's a new control center
[10:37] <psypher246> alkisg: click power button, it's right at the bottom
[10:38] <psypher246> system settings
[10:38] <El_Che> alkisg: I prefer it to what we had before. The Preferences/system split I could never really grasp
[10:38] <gnomefreak> its not very stable. there are problems with ati and nvidia drivers (i cant tell you what bugs to look at or if they relate to you. im just going on what i had in my email boxes
[10:38]  * gnomefreak out, strong storm comming through
[10:39] <alkisg> psypher246: that's gnome-control-center, it's not the preferences menu
[10:39] <alkisg> Well, I suppose we'll get used to it
[10:41] <psypher246> hi all. I have been using unity extensively in the last couple of weeks and i have found quite a few usability issues and bugs which I feel are quite important to get fixed as it badly tarnishes the ideal of what unity is trying to portay. I am just not sure where to begin. from the bugs I have already logged there has been no response and I am concerned that they will just fall thorugh the crack. lol as I am typing this I have just found a ne
[10:41] <psypher246> w bug with fullscreen pidgin and text wrapping while i am typing in the window
[10:42] <psypher246> the fact that I cannot add a chrome launcher, custom or system default, to the launcher is a pretty serious issue IMO
[10:42] <psypher246> just one issue for example
[10:42] <syn-ack> I have a custom chrome launcher and it works just fine
[10:42] <syn-ack> you're probably doing something wrong
[10:42] <psypher246> do you guys suggest diligently logging each issue seperately
[10:43] <psypher246> syn-ack: pleased tell me how you created it and added it to the menu
[10:43] <psypher246> i have followed my instincts and many instructions online
[10:43] <alkisg> jbicha, chrisccoulson: this ppa did the trick for now, I hope that the most popular extensions will be maintained there: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/xul-ext
[10:43] <syn-ack> psypher246, I dragged it to the bar?
[10:43] <psypher246> wish that would have worked
[10:43] <syn-ack> Then I edited the .desktop file
[10:43] <psypher246> lol
[10:44] <syn-ack> Works here just fine.
[10:44] <psypher246> ok one you dragged ity to the bar, which .dekstop file did you edit where?
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> alkisg, well, that's maintained by purely community effort atm using the packages from debian
[10:44] <syn-ack> Lemme see if I can find a howto, psypher246
[10:44] <psypher246> syn-ack: thx
[10:45] <psypher246> but the fact that you have to edit a .desktop file in the firstplace is a problem
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> and with debian always being a few firefox releases behind ubuntu - this will probably break frequently in the future
[10:45] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: honestly I'd prefer to have unresolved security issues than to have *** enlargement ads over my students screens :)
[10:45] <syn-ack> psypher246, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=13408
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> alkisg, i'm not talking about security issues, unless you're seriously suggesting that you would delay updating your browser to wait for extensions to be updated
[10:46] <psypher246> syn-ack: yeah thats the one i followed
[10:46] <psypher246> i drag ity and it just dissapears
[10:46] <syn-ack> Worked just fine here.
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> i'm saying that when we do a browser update, those extensions will just stop working
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> until someone fixes them
[10:46] <blit> hi all, 11.04b2 on a fujitsu laptop. I have a problem with bluetooth: hcitool scan shows my phone correctly, while bluetooth-wizard not; also bluetooth-applet is always dimmed, showing not many options with preferences saying that bluetooth is disabled with a big "turn on" button that doesn't work. any suggesion, thanks.
[10:46] <syn-ack> psypher246, Then launch Chrome and pin it to the bar.
[10:46] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: indeed, I am suggesting that. That i'd postpone any browser updates until the extensions work again.
[10:46] <psypher246> syn-ack: ok how about this, if you click on the laucnher icon does it create a new window or take you to the one already open
[10:47] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: I know how that sounds, but it's really the best we can do here in our schools.
[10:47] <syn-ack> opens a new one
[10:47] <psypher246> syn-ack: if i lauch chrome that way than there is nothing to pin, it's not in my launcher
[10:47] <blit> *suggestion*
[10:47] <psypher246> syn-ack: ok it;'s not supposed to open a new one
[10:47] <syn-ack> yeah it is
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> alkisg, wow. that's quite incredible
[10:47] <syn-ack> "Open New Window" does just that
[10:47] <syn-ack> opens a new window
[10:47] <psypher246> it's supposed to either scale all the already open windows or take you to the one already open
[10:47] <psypher246> syn-ack: other apps don;'t do what chrome does
[10:48] <psypher246> do the sma ething for firefox
[10:48] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: we have labs working with windows 98 without security violations. I really would care more about block xxx ads than for the latest firefox security update.
[10:48] <syn-ack> I don't have it installed
[10:48] <syn-ack> I don't use Firefox. At all.
[10:48] <psypher246> syn-ack: once an app is opened MIDDLE mouse click should be the only way you opne a new window
[10:49] <syn-ack> ah, well I don't have a middle mouse button. Maybe that's why mine does that
[10:49] <jbicha> alkisg: you're not the average Ubuntu user
[10:49] <psypher246> this is a inconsistent  behavior to other apps
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> alkisg, this is why using the addon manager infrastructure works so much better
[10:49] <syn-ack> I don't see it as being an issue, tbh
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> you get updated extensions much faster than the distro will ever update them
[10:49] <psypher246> syn-ack: ok try terminal
[10:49] <psypher246> open a terminal
[10:49] <alkisg> jbicha: I'm talking on behalf of 200 schools, I suppose schools are "regular users"
[10:49] <psypher246> clicking it again will opne a new terminal, it will take you to the open one
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> but, that's your choice, i'm not going to argue. i'm just glad i don't use any of your computers
[10:50] <scoundrel50a> nijabo: sorry had a call. I installed beta 1 and beta 2 and as soon as it started to boot after the grub, it turned the backlight off. SApent a good couple of hours on here, last week with a couple of people installing and going through loads of different things. Will try find the bug report.
[10:50] <psypher246> syn-ack: so how do you get to an already open chrome window which is in the background?
[10:50] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: agreed. We can't install an extension for thousands of students though, so we do what we can.
[10:50] <psypher246> alt-tab is the only way
[10:50] <psypher246> AAARG kill me now
[10:50] <psypher246> the way all the other apps but chrome work is that they scale
[10:51] <syn-ack> You know what. I'm tired. I'm going back to bed.
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> surely if there are that many students, then you would be better off blocking ads somewhere else on your network :/
[10:52] <alkisg> There is a central squid-based blocking service, but it's not as efficient.
[10:53] <scoundrel50a> bug 759104
[10:53] <scoundrel50a> I added tyo Xorg files as well, in there somewhere.
[10:54] <WaltherFI> Any news on the planned release hour?
[10:55] <nonix4> What kind of performance is to be expected of running natty within kvm (maverick's testdrive default settings)? (aka after how long wait can I assume it to be hung on some bug?)
[10:57] <scoundrel50a> Natty is still very buggy.
[10:59] <scoundrel50a> 759104
[11:10] <ScottONanski1> Very impressed with the setup process.
[11:10] <ScottONanski1> They did a great job.
[11:11] <Mitchell-92> What time today will the new version of Ubuntu be released at?
[11:11] <ScottONanski1> Now, just have to see if the install takes.
[11:11] <ScottONanski1> I already have it.
[11:11] <ScottONanski1> You need the link?
[11:11] <Mitchell-92> Yes.
[11:11] <Mitchell-92> It's not on the website yet.
[11:11] <ScottONanski1> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[11:11] <Mitchell-92> Is that the final version?
[11:11] <ScottONanski1> Yep.
[11:12] <Mitchell-92> Why isn't it on the homepage yet?
[11:12] <ScottONanski1> Not sure.
[11:13] <Mitchell-92> Do you know anything about Ubuntu server? I have 5 computers I want to put Ubuntu on, and a dedicated server running the latest version of Ubuntu 10... I want to set up all of my computers to be in sync, and to backup their home directories / document directories on the server... do you know how I would approach that?
[11:13] <ScottONanski1> Nope.
[11:13] <Mitchell-92> Okay.
[11:13] <ScottONanski1> I'm a designer - not an admin. :)
[11:13] <Mitchell-92> Oh. What do you design?
[11:13] <ScottONanski1> Websites.
[11:13] <ScottONanski1> Digital media.
[11:14] <Mitchell-92> Oh, cool. What software do you use in Linux for web design? I have a macbook just for graphics design (I do freelance design)
[11:14] <Mitchell-92> I do things like business cards and shirts.
[11:14] <ScottONanski1> I actually use Windows for Photoshop.
[11:14] <Mitchell-92> Ah... okay
[11:14] <ScottONanski1> GIMP handles like a shopping cart with a wonky front wheel.
[11:15] <Mitchell-92> lol yeah
[11:15] <ScottONanski1> lol
[11:15] <Mitchell-92> what other design software do you use under linux?
[11:15] <ScottONanski1> Blender.
[11:15] <ScottONanski1> Bluefish.
[11:15] <ScottONanski1> That's about it.
[11:15] <Mitchell-92> What does bluefish do?
[11:15] <ScottONanski1> It's just a text editor I use for markup and scripting
[11:15] <Mitchell-92> oh, ok
[11:15] <ScottONanski1> But I really like it.
[11:15] <vibhav> is it realeased?
[11:16] <ScottONanski1> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[11:16] <ScottONanski1> 28 seconds until reboot.
[11:16] <ScottONanski1> I'll let you know how it went.
 is the official announcement made?
[11:16] <Mitchell-92> ScottONanski1: Does Unity have a workspace feature similar to Gnome?
[11:16] <ScottONanski1> I'll let you know in one moment
[11:16] <Mitchell-92> ok
[11:16] <Mitchell-92> How many computers are you putting it on?
[11:17] <ScottONanski1> Just my laptop for now.
[11:17] <Mitchell-92> oh
[11:17] <ScottONanski1> It's finishing up the system install.
 is the official announcement made????
[11:17] <ScottONanski1> Not that I know of.
[11:17] <ScottONanski1> I'm officially making the announcement
[11:17] <ScottONanski1> lol
[11:18] <ScottONanski1> Uh oh...
[11:18] <ScottONanski1> My laptop caught on fire.
[11:18] <ScottONanski1> ;)
[11:18] <Mitchell-92> lol
[11:18] <ScottONanski1> Man, I wish they would come up with a better IM than Empanthy.
[11:19] <ScottONanski1> You can't even get mail notifications with it.
[11:19] <ScottONanski1> olol
[11:19] <ScottONanski1> Actually, I should hold my tongue. I've never developed an application before.
[11:20] <Mitchell-92> ScottONanski1: I tried Fedora 15 last night on my netbook to see how Gnome 3 worked... as really cool... not going to use it because there is a bug with bluetooth in F15 right now.
[11:20] <jatt> what is this "Ready when you are..." stuff in the installer?
[11:20] <ScottONanski1> I tried Unity in the Beta.
[11:20] <ScottONanski1> It's cool.
[11:21] <jatt> it was in "Copying files"
[11:21] <Mitchell-92> Does it have the workspace thing?
[11:21] <jatt> and now shows "Ready when you are..." and looks stuck
[11:21] <ScottONanski1> Yep.
[11:21] <blit> sorry to resend: hi all, 11.04b2 on a fujitsu laptop. I have a problem with bluetooth: hcitool scan shows my phone correctly, while bluetooth-wizard not; also bluetooth-applet is always dimmed, showing not many options with preferences saying that bluetooth is disabled with a big "turn on" button that doesn't work. any suggestion? thanks.
[11:21] <ScottONanski1> restarting. :)
[11:21] <vibhav> released???
[11:21] <ScottONanski1> Vib, yes.
[11:22] <ScottONanski1> http://releases.ubuntu.com/]
[11:22] <ScottONanski1> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:22] <Mitchell-92> blit: I had the same problem with F15 beta... thats why I'm switching back to Ubuntu.
[11:23] <tsimpson> ScottONanski1: don't post links, it's not out yet
[11:23] <ScottONanski1> It's not out yet?
[11:23] <ScottONanski1> Really?
[11:23] <blit> according to my experience it should be the same here
[11:23] <ScottONanski1> Then what did I just install on my Alienware m15x?
[11:24] <ScottONanski1> It's up and running too.
[11:24] <ScottONanski1> Flawless installation.
[11:26] <Mitchell-92> In #ubuntu-release-party, it says: Ubuntu 11.04 release is scheduled somewhere in the time period when it's April 28th somewhere in the world, not at a specific time | Do not say it's released or post links to it until the Release Manager says so, or you may be banned without warning.
[11:26] <tsimpson> ScottONanski1: it's not released until it's released
[11:27] <scoundrel50a> Ubuntu Netbook Remix, I installed it on my Acer Aspire One, its an older version of Natty yes? If it works on my AA, will the upgrade to natty work? Or should I leave it.
[11:27] <ScottONanski1> Well, it's released.
[11:27] <ScottONanski1> because I have it installed.
[11:27] <ScottONanski1> lol
[11:27] <Internat> no its still replicating.
[11:28] <tsimpson> ScottONanski1: you don't have it installed, because it's not rleased
[11:28] <tsimpson> *released
[11:28] <ScottONanski1> Really? Would you like to see a screen shot of it?
[11:29] <tsimpson> I care not for your screenshot
[11:29] <ScottONanski1> I care not for your not caring. :P
[11:29] <tsimpson> mine rhymed :)
[11:30] <ScottONanski1> My was Zen.
[11:30] <ScottONanski1> Mine*
[11:30] <ScottONanski1> :D
[11:30] <tsimpson> mine *BOOM*
[11:31] <eeeeek1> Hey guys, d'you know when the new release is ready to be downloaded?
[11:31] <eeeeek1> especially in german
[11:32] <ScottONanski1> I've been told not to tell you. tsimpson said I'm not allowed to say anything.
[11:32] <ScottONanski1> If you can get his permission, I'll send you the link.
[11:32] <ScottONanski1> :D
[11:32] <peto_> hola
[11:32] <tsimpson> don't give people pre-release images and tell them it's final
[11:32] <ScottONanski1> It's not a prerelease.
[11:33] <tsimpson> it is
[11:33] <tsimpson> by definition
[11:33] <tsimpson> it's not released yet
[11:33] <tsimpson> so it's pre-release
[11:34] <eeeeek1> just wanted to know, WHEN it'll be released…
[11:34] <tsimpson> today
[11:35] <eeeeek1> "coming soon…"
[11:35] <jatt> I installed the iso but it stuck in "Ready when you are"
[11:36] <Mitchell-92> ScottONanski1: Can you send me a screenshot?
[11:36] <ScottONanski1> Pre-released in the sense of it not being released yet? lol.
[11:36] <ScottONanski1> Mitchell, sure. one sec.
[11:36] <Mitchell-92> ok
[11:37] <tsimpson> ScottONanski1: that is the definition of pre-release, something which is before the release
[11:37] <ScottONanski1> No. That's a redefinition of a currently employed terminology.
[11:37] <ScottONanski1> To suit your own agenda I might add.
[11:39] <tsimpson> ScottONanski1: the release team are explicit about it not being released until it's not released, it's not my agenda, it's the stance of the release team
[11:39] <ScottONanski1> Well, if it's live - it's released.
[11:39] <ScottONanski1> I don't what else to tell you.
[11:39] <ScottONanski1> It didn't come from a third party site.
[11:39] <jatt> I doubt their release process is that sloppy, the available iso should be the official one
[11:40] <tsimpson> no, it'll be seeded across servers first
[11:40] <tsimpson> that during the final testing
[11:40] <tsimpson> if some tests fail, changes can still be made
[11:40] <eeeeek1> I love the definition of "time" a developer has
[11:41] <jatt> then the iso should be labeled release candidate or something
[11:41] <tsimpson> it's not a release candidate
[11:42] <tsimpson> it's simply incrementally updated as needed before the release
[11:42] <tsimpson> which is why the release is announced
[11:42] <jatt> looks sloppy to me but anyway if they work that way...
[11:44] <blit> hi all, is everything ok with bluetooth on 11.04b2? mine doesn't work.
[11:44] <ScottONanski1> I hardly think ANY developer would posts an incomplete build the same day of it's release, continually and incrementally updating the release every few minutes.
[11:46] <JayFoxRox|TP> eeeeek1: ...
[11:49] <alkisg> ScottONanski1: For various reasons they say it's not released yet. Respect that, even if you don't understand why. They might want the image to propagate to other mirrors, or they might want to do some last checks. Don't ...blow the candles of their ...birthday cake, let the release manager do that.
[11:49] <alkisg> Ah too late
[11:51] <jatt> they need time to prepare the press release
[11:51] <gordonjcp> jeez, guys
[11:51] <gordonjcp> it's a bloody operating system
[11:52] <gordonjcp> go outside
[11:52] <gordonjcp> it's a nice sunny day
[11:52] <jatt> lol no
[11:52] <jatt> why?
[11:52] <gordonjcp> bunch of bloody cave troglodytes mashing F5 over and over "HERP DERP MUST HAVE RELEASE MUST HAVE RELEASE"
[11:52] <jatt> either the iso is the final one or someone will be fired lol
[11:53] <jatt> let's patch the iso and update the md5sums -> impossible
[11:53] <jatt> that would be way too sloppy
[11:54] <WaltherFI> haha