[01:28] <johnny77> I have docky installed and pinned a chromium launcher to the dock, but for some reason, it will not launch chromium.
[02:36] <Average_Guy> I'm having a 'keyboard not working' issue when i try to install. This has been an ongoing problem for me for more then a year.  Linux Mint 8 (and ONLY 8) installs ands runs fine, but not other version of any distro.. any thoughts?  I just found someone with what sounded similar and the solution offered (that worked) was 'Adding "i8042.nopnp=1 i8042.dumbkbd=1" to the boot options' Does this sound right? What does it mean? Ho
[02:38] <Average_Guy> I just tried 10.10alt it didn't work
[03:30] <mar7ar> hi everybody
[03:31] <mar7ar> is anybody here
[03:31] <mar7ar> ???
[03:31] <mar7ar> ??
[03:58] <ryan_> hey everyone, i just set up ubuntu on my new lenovo thinkpad and the mouse is going crazy, i jumps all over the screen and I have to restart the laptop to fix it... what the heck can I do to fix this, i'm very new to ubuntu
[04:07] <ravibn> Unable to capture audio and record in gnome-sound-recorder ver 2.31 Maverick 10.10 Pl help
[05:17] <shahan> its 28th April
[05:18] <shahan> but didnt open for download the 11.04 ubuntu
[05:18] <shahan> any update?
[05:20] <andrew_46> shahan: The competition is out --> http://www.slackware.com/ :)
[05:22] <andrew_46> shahan: Perhaps join #ubuntu-release-party
[05:22] <shahan> andrew_46: tnx :) but what about ubuntu 11.04 ? not available the full release to download yet
[05:23] <andrew_46> shahan: I downloaded the daily cd 2 days ago to beat the rush :). But no official release yet :(
[05:24] <andrew_46> Last release Mark Shuttleworth made a brief appearance there
[05:25] <helloEARTH> is there going to be a difference if i install ubuntu 11.04 beta vs waiting for the official 11.04?
[05:25] <coalwater> i don't think so
[05:26] <helloEARTH> coalwater: thanks...i guess ill start installing it tonight
[05:26] <andrew_46> helloEARTH: Get the release version on torrents might be better now
[05:27] <coalwater> i'm lookin for the release schedules and freezes table, don't remember where it was
[05:28] <coalwater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[05:28] <coalwater> not much between the last beta and the release
[05:30] <coalwater> lol it's funny watching the party bot kicking people out the release party channel
[05:33] <helloEARTH> the party bot is a party pooper? lol. what are those guys doing to get kicked out?
[05:34] <coalwater> any one who asks is it out it, it goes no, but u are *kick*
[05:41] <juzzy_> hello! how might i update from 11.04 beta to 11.04 the official release?
[05:50] <coalwater> ull get a notification on the update manage
[05:50] <coalwater> manager*
[05:54] <JackyAlcine> Crazy question; is 11.04 out?
[05:55] <coalwater> #ubuntu-release-party
[05:55] <coalwater> not yet
[06:20] <juzzy_> IS it safe to uninstall FGLRX
[06:29] <holstein> juzzy_: i would say that depends
[06:29] <holstein> on what graphics card you have
[06:30] <holstein> i have it as about 65mb's though
[06:40] <renshai> Hey all
[06:43] <renshai> I'm having problems with what I assume is my graphics card. I have no trouble playing games / watching online videos at all on my windows boot, but when I try to set them up in Ubuntu I get serious fps issues and glitchy playback, even in minimum settings. I haven't done anything since I installed current os to modify my drivers or anything, dunno if I need to but I'm kind of a newb in that department
[06:44] <holstein> renshai: what hardware do you have?
[06:44] <holstein> what drivers have you tried?
[06:44] <holstein> OH, nm
[06:44] <holstein> i see you havent tried different ones*
[06:45] <renshai> renshai@RenshaiBox:~$ lspci -nn | grep VGA
[06:45] <renshai> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] [1002:4153]
[06:45] <holstein> ok
[06:45] <renshai> Kinda old but it meets the requirements and plays fine otherwise
[06:45] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:45] <holstein> see if you can use a proprietary driver
[09:57] <yax51> does anyone know anything about beagleboard?
[10:06] <MrChrisDruif> yax51: Heard about it once....no experience thou
[12:35] <obengdako> why is the 32bit version recomended i currently use a 32bit on a 64bit machine and was hoping to switch to 64bit but the recommended there makes me wonder if i'll then have trouble with lib32 and stuff in order to run 32bit apps any ideas?
[12:39] <bioterror> obengdako, I dunno. 64bit is here today and 32bit is past
[12:39] <bioterror> there was like few years ago something about drivers and blaa blaa blaa
[12:39] <bioterror> but nowdays every new computer is 64bit
[12:39] <bioterror> 32bit linux works on 64bit hw, but not vice versa
[12:42] <obengdako> bioterror, okay thanks man
[13:06] <MrChrisDruif> obengdako: Which 32 bit apps are you planning to run? Otherwise does Ubuntu do the hard work for ya....really easy to use. No problem with 64 bit :)
[13:18] <Average_Guy> how do you view a .tr3 file in linux?
[13:19] <coalwater> whats a tr3 file
[13:19] <Average_Guy> an e-book
[13:20] <Average_Guy> it crashed openoffice
[13:20] <Average_Guy> http://filext.com/file-extension/TR3
[13:21] <coalwater> what's tome raider
[13:21] <Average_Guy> A windows reader
[13:22] <Average_Guy> or palm
[13:22] <Average_Guy> but idk a linux equivalent
[13:23] <coalwater> try wine with the windows client
[13:24] <Average_Guy> thats a bit above my skill level yet. Have never made anything work right in wine.
[13:24] <Average_Guy> I'll work at it. Thanks
[13:30] <geirha> Interesting. Seems they wanted to port tomeraider to Ubuntu at some point. http://markmail.org/message/3sp2cfyvqdxmzzl7
[13:31] <Average_Guy> Wow! that rox
[13:32] <Average_Guy> surprised they willing to distribute free
[13:32] <geirha> Doesn't appear to have happened though. They're afraid of losing revenue if they open source it.
[13:32] <Average_Guy> exactly
[14:55] <helloEARTH> whats is the difference between the alternate iso vs the desktop iso? plz and thanks
[14:58] <helloEARTH> nevermind, google is my friend
[15:01] <coalwater> alternative is just a simple cd with no live cd options, and it requires less RAM while installing
[15:53] <kristian_> am I the only one who can't get on #hardware?
[15:54] <Average_Guy> works for me
[15:57] <kristian_> weird
[16:45] <asterismo> hi people
[16:46] <asterismo> one simple question
[16:46] <asterismo> maverick vs natty?
[16:46] <UndiFineD> that is personal preference asterismo
[16:47] <asterismo> does natty fix something? improves things? or is just newer software?
[17:26] <ray_> This really puts long-term support into perspective: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/long-term-support
[17:27] <ray_> byw
[17:51] <MrsHillBilly> jledbetter
[17:54] <Joseph_> anyone know how to set up lvm using ubuntu alternate cd?
[17:58] <MrsHillBilly> Anyone help me to get my wireless card started please?
[18:00] <Joseph_> a little quiet in this channel, i think we should ask over at #ubuntu instead
[18:16] <MrsHillBilly> jledbetter
[18:16] <pleia2> she's probably at work
[18:17] <MrsHillBilly> pleia2 Thanks. She offered me some help yesterday but it didn't work
[18:21] <Joseph_> MrsHillBilly tried looking up Belkin 7D47EB but i don;t even get any result from google. is that the correct model?
[18:22] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: can you plug into wired internet?
[18:22] <holstein> temporarily
[18:22] <holstein> and restart
[18:23] <holstein> you should be prompted for the packages to install
[18:23] <holstein> *assuiming its available like that
[18:24] <rokyronnie> Hi there
[18:24] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. No I do not have wired connection
[18:24] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: right
[18:24] <holstein> but, you have a wireless router
[18:24] <holstein> could you plug into it for a second?
[18:24] <holstein> no?
[18:25] <rokyronnie> can someone help me with something?
[18:25] <holstein> rokyronnie: only one way to find out :)
[18:25] <rokyronnie> ok :D
[18:25] <Joseph_> lol
[18:25] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. It says firmware missing which i assume is a driver
[18:26] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: what says what?
[18:26] <holstein> and where?
[18:26] <MrsHillBilly> hostein. The wireless symbol at top left
[18:26] <MrsHillBilly> sorry top right
[18:26] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: ok, open a teriminal
[18:26] <holstein> and a web browser
[18:27] <holstein> go to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:27] <holstein> and in the terminal
[18:27] <holstein> run
[18:27] <holstein> lspci
[18:27] <holstein> and paste that there ^
[18:27] <holstein> and link it back to us
[18:27] <rokyronnie> I installed 11.04 and guess what, the Grub menu I think it set up to a different resolution cause my display is showing a error message : "Out of range", what can I do ?
[18:27] <holstein> rokyronnie: when does it say that?
[18:27] <holstein> have you tried any recovery options?
[18:28] <holstein> or a custom xorg.conf?
[18:28] <rokyronnie> when it's supposed to show Grub Loader
[18:29] <rokyronnie> it works, cause if I press Enter ( I guess Ubuntu is the first option ) it loads, but I can't see it, so it's annoying
[18:29] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Web browser wont open. itr says can't find the server at start.ubuntu.com
[18:29] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: if you're not online
[18:29] <holstein> you wont be able to
[18:29] <holstein> youll have to paste it in creatively
[18:29] <holstein> OR
[18:29] <holstein> you can just pick the wifi card from that info
[18:29] <holstein> and type it in here
[18:30] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: at some point
[18:30] <holstein> theres going to be something you need to get to that machine
[18:30] <Joseph_> rokyronnie: do you have ati video card, thats the problem i used to get
[18:30] <holstein> from the internet
[18:30] <rokyronnie> no, it's Nvidia
[18:30] <rokyronnie> and it worked very well until this version
[18:31] <Joseph_> maybe its the same fix though. try...
[18:32] <Joseph_> when your in that windows to choose the OS to load in grub, press e (i think) to edit the boot options.  now in that line where is says linux, add nomodeset at the end
[18:32] <Joseph_> once your inside ubuntu, then maybe you can update ur video card driver
[18:32] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 {Airforce One 54g} 802.g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[18:33] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: so, you cant plug a cable between the machine and the router?
[18:33] <holstein> no chance?
[18:33] <MrsHillBilly> no
[18:33] <Joseph_> MrsHillBilly: are u at starbucks? =)
[18:34] <MrsHillBilly> Joseph. No
[18:34] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: do you have the windows driver handy?
[18:34] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Yes
[18:35] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: open a terminal
[18:35] <holstein> and try
[18:35] <holstein> ndisgtk
[18:35] <holstein> see if you have that installed*
[18:36] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Not installed
[18:37] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: how would you like to try and install that package?
[18:37] <kristian_> anyone played with compact flash + IDE adapter for the OS?
[18:37] <holstein> you can try DLing it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/ndisgtk/download
[18:37] <holstein> and moving it over somehow
[18:37] <holstein> *im not sure what dependancies you'll need to track down
[18:38] <holstein> you'll need to move some software over to that machine somehow
[18:38] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: is is a laptop?
[18:38] <holstein> is it*
[18:38] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Could I dl it on my laptop and put it on a CD?
[18:38] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. The machine with Ubuntu is a PC
[18:39] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: im going to suggest
[18:39] <holstein> mabye taking the computer somewhere you can plug it in
[18:39] <holstein> to internet*
[18:39] <holstein> OR getting a friendlier network card
[18:39] <holstein> at the local charity shop
[18:39] <holstein> i literally see a stack of them
[18:39] <holstein> when i go
[18:40] <holstein> for like 5-10 bucks a pop
[18:40] <holstein> i say, lifes too short to waste on old broadcom hardware :)
[18:40] <holstein> but, if you want to do it
[18:40] <holstein> IF you can get all of ndiswrapper moved over to that box
[18:40] <holstein> id say, ndisgtk and all its deps
[18:41] <holstein> then, you *should* be able to point to the windows .inf
[18:41] <holstein> and be rockin and rollin
[18:42] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. On the card CD I have a driver folder with a BCMWL5.inf file. Can I load that?
[18:42] <rokyronnie> another question for 11.04 . Can I move the window buttons from the left to right ? and I don't mean the "windows buttons" I mean those from the "panel" ?
[18:44] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: sure
[18:44] <holstein> you'll need the software to load it into
[18:44] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: you can try looking on the CD for it all
[18:45] <holstein> the path of least resistance is to just plug it in to internet
[18:45] <holstein> SO i usually make that happen
[18:45] <holstein> rokyronnie: its linux
[18:45] <holstein> the answer is always yes :)
[18:45] <rokyronnie> I know it's yes :)), and the question is how?
[18:45] <holstein> rokyronnie: that is the question
[18:46] <holstein> what are you talking about?
[18:46] <holstein> in unity?
[18:46] <rokyronnie> I guess it's something from gconf-editor, si I am already there
[18:46] <rokyronnie> yes
[18:46] <rokyronnie> unity
[18:47] <rokyronnie> the buttons which appears in the windows I already moved them, I wanna move now those who are in the "panel" belong the menu windows, and.. if I can, I wished to have my menu back to every single window
[18:48]  * holstein is not using unity
[18:48] <holstein> im not sure how much customizing you are supposed to do
[18:49] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Sorry to appear dumb but I am a complete beginner. How do I load the driver from a CD?
[18:50] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: no
[18:50] <holstein> your not being dumb at all
[18:50] <holstein> what you are trying to do is actually quite challening
[18:50] <holstein> AND
[18:50] <holstein> im not sure if ndiswrapper is on the CD or not
[18:50] <holstein> but, you just search on the CD
[18:50] <holstein> in the pool directory
[18:50] <holstein> and see if what you need is there
[18:52] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I looked on the Ubuntu CD and can't find ndiswrapper. I meant could I load the windows driver from the card CD
[18:52] <holstein> sure
[18:52] <holstein> that thats where you will get the driver
[18:52] <holstein> the windows driver
[18:52] <holstein> BUT
[18:52] <holstein> thats only half of it
[18:52] <holstein> you need ndis
[18:52] <holstein> to utilize that driver in linux
[18:52] <holstein> and how do you get all of that installed?
[18:53] <holstein> without internet access?
[18:53] <holstein> thats the riddle*
[18:53] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I am on laptop at the moment WITH internet access. Is that any help?
[18:53] <holstein> sure
[18:53] <holstein> you can search around
[18:54] <holstein> and grab all the .deb you need
[18:54] <holstein> ndisgtk.deb
[18:54] <holstein> and all the dependancies
[18:55] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. OK. Thanks. Will do that. Got to stop for food for a while but will get back soon.
[18:55] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: you can get it :)
[18:55] <holstein> good luck
[19:43] <alessio_alex> Hello
[19:43] <alessio_alex> I have set my bottom panels to auto-hide
[19:43] <alessio_alex> But now I want them to "always show"
[19:43] <alessio_alex> I don't remember where to change this
[19:44] <alessio_alex> Help?
[19:44] <holstein> alessio_alex: right click
[19:45] <alessio_alex> right click and.... ?
[19:45] <alessio_alex> That's the first thing I've tried
[19:45] <holstein> lol
[19:45] <alessio_alex> ?
[19:45] <holstein> alessio_alex: make sure you are right clicking on the panel
[19:45] <holstein> and not a bar
[19:45] <holstein> or applet
[19:45] <holstein> just the panel
[19:46] <holstein> you should see 'add to panel'
[19:46] <holstein> under that
[19:46] <holstein> 'properties'
[19:46] <holstein> there
[19:46] <holstein> you should see a box for 'unhide'
[19:46] <alessio_alex> Preferences | Help | About | Remove from panel | Lock to panel
[19:46] <holstein> you would have placed an X in that box
[19:46] <holstein> you would want to uncheck that box
[19:46] <holstein> alessio_alex: right
[19:46] <holstein> you are not clicking on the panel
[19:47] <holstein> thats what you are being asked
[19:47] <holstein> 'remove from panel'
[19:47] <holstein> you are clicking on something you have added to the panel
[19:47] <holstein> *common error
[19:47] <holstein> its challening to *not* click on the window list applet
[19:48] <alessio_alex> thanks
[19:48] <alessio_alex> such a stupid fucking thing
[19:48] <holstein> alessio_alex: nah
[19:48] <holstein> its cool :)
[19:48] <alessio_alex> almost everywhere you click you get that menu I've told you
[19:48] <alessio_alex> :)
[19:48] <alessio_alex> thank you
[19:48] <alessio_alex> It seems I have to restart now or something
[19:48] <holstein> for?
[19:48] <holstein> the autohide?
[19:48] <alessio_alex> I just see a part of the panel always
[19:48] <holstein> you shouldnt
[19:48] <alessio_alex> it's like a centered div
[19:48] <alessio_alex> it's not full width
[19:49] <holstein> thats a check box too
[19:49] <alessio_alex> ah
[19:49] <alessio_alex> right
[19:49] <holstein> 'expand'
[19:49] <alessio_alex> Expand
[19:49] <alessio_alex> thanks..
[19:51] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Hi I'm back. I've got the ndisgtk.deb file on a CD. How do I load it onto Ubuntu please?
[19:51] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: you just install it
[19:51] <holstein> just click on it
[19:51] <holstein> and the package installer will start
[19:52] <holstein> and comlain about what all dependancies you will soon get sad about needing to move to that machine via CD as well :)
[19:54] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I'm getting a message now which says Dependancy is not satisfiable: ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[19:54] <eiriksvin> hello, how do i put that launcher bar at the bottom of the screen with Natty?
[19:54] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: thats not good
[19:54] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: maybe its the version on ndisgtk you DL'd
[19:55] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: it would be SO much easier
[19:55] <holstein> to literally carry every piece of your hardware
[19:55] <holstein> to any othter house
[19:55] <holstein> with a network cable
[19:55] <holstein> than to do what you are trying to do
[19:55] <holstein> that being said
[19:55] <holstein> you can do it
[19:56] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: what machine are you connecting with now?
[19:56] <holstein> can you share its internet connection?
[19:56] <holstein> eiriksvin: that launcher bar?
[19:56] <holstein> the dock thingy?
[19:56] <holstein> on the left side?
[19:57] <holstein> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/ubuntu-unity-launcher-wont-be-moveable/
[19:57] <holstein> that was my understanding as well ^
[19:58] <holstein> maybe theres already a wishlist bug
[19:58] <eiriksvin> grr
[19:58] <eiriksvin> heh
[19:59] <holstein> well, im assuming its open source
[19:59] <eiriksvin> even with the smaller icons its still a friggin monstrosity, can i set up the classic look on Natty?
[19:59] <holstein> so you can in theory go and re-write it to fit your needs
[19:59] <holstein> the answer is always yes :)
[19:59] <holstein> eiriksvin: you can log into the older gnome2 kinda thing
[20:00] <holstein> classic desktop mode
[20:00] <eiriksvin> almost all of it is open, but idk how to program in anything but old school html
[20:00] <eiriksvin> heh
[20:03] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. If you can give me a while I am going to try to connect via a cable
[20:03] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: that would be worth the effort i say :)
[20:07] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Bingo! I have an internet connection
[20:09] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: good for you
[20:09] <holstein> i would restart
[20:09] <holstein> see if anything automagically happens
[20:09] <holstein> popups about proprietary drivers*
[20:09] <holstein> if not
[20:09] <holstein> open a terminal
[20:09] <holstein> run
[20:09] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[20:09] <holstein> and you'll see a windows drivers menu item
[20:09] <holstein> over in system somewhere
[20:10] <holstein> you can point that to the .inf you have and see if all is well :)
[20:10] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Many thanks. Just re-booting and then I will see what happens
[20:19] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Although nothing happened at first, I put the CD on which I had loaded the ndisgtk file and that seems to have loaded. Can I now get my wireless card to work?
[20:19] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: well
[20:20] <holstein> lets re-discuss the options
[20:20] <holstein> after the restart*
[20:20] <holstein> and that didnt work
[20:20] <holstein> DONT use that CD
[20:20] <holstein> at all...
[20:20] <holstein> just open a terminal
[20:20] <holstein> and type
[20:20] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[20:20] <holstein> then, that will prompt you to install that package
[20:21] <holstein> and the dependancies that we were struggling with
[20:21] <holstein> THEN
[20:21] <holstein> after that is done
[20:21] <holstein> in the menu
[20:21] <holstein> under system somewhere
[20:21] <holstein> you will see
[20:21] <holstein> 'windows drivers'
[20:21] <holstein> and there you can point ndiswrapper to the .inf file you have
[20:22] <holstein> *which is the wireless driver for your device
[20:22] <holstein> *for windows
[20:22] <holstein> *that ubuntu is going to utilize with the help of ndiswrapper
[20:22] <holstein> and the gui front end ndisgtk
[20:23] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I might have a problem then. When I first did the apt-get it said E: Unable to locate package ndisgtk so I did it again with the downloaded Cd in and it did load it. Have I done it all wrong?
[20:24] <holstein> sure
[20:24] <holstein> you're probably not acutally online
[20:24] <holstein> in a terminal
[20:24] <holstein> run
[20:24] <holstein> ping -c 4 google.com
[20:24] <holstein> if that returns a short error message
[20:24] <holstein> then, you are sadly not online
[20:24] <holstein> :/
[20:25] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. That has worked ok
[20:25] <holstein> OK
[20:26] <holstein> try opening your package manager then
[20:26] <holstein> OR however you install software
[20:26] <holstein> and search for ndis
[20:26] <holstein> you want that GTK package
[20:26] <holstein> thats the GUI
[20:26] <holstein> ndisgtk
[20:28] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I ran apt-get install ndisgtk in a terminal and it said that ndisgtk is already the newest version
[20:28] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: good
[20:28] <holstein> SO
[20:28] <holstein> open a terminal
[20:29] <holstein> and run
[20:29] <holstein> ndisgtk
[20:29] <holstein> and point to that windows driver
[20:29] <sebsebseb> Oh yeah I forgot to join this channel earlier!
[20:29] <Daniel0108> hi sebsebseb
[20:30] <sebsebseb> Daniel0108: hi
[20:31] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. It says Root or sudo privileges required
[20:31] <coalwater> do sudo then ?
[20:32] <holstein> sure
[20:32] <holstein> sudo ndisgtk
[20:32] <holstein> its in the menu
[20:32] <holstein> somewhere too
[20:32] <holstein> in system
[20:32] <holstein> if you preffer
[20:34] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Ok it asked to install a new driver which I have found on the wireless card CD
[20:36] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: right
[20:36] <holstein> the .inf you mentioned earlier
[20:41] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I don't know if this will mean anything to you but I left the terminal open and when I tried to set uo a wireless connection a lot of warning messages came up saying Gtk Warning **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with a non-zer page size is deprecated
[20:42] <holstein> probably OK
[20:42] <holstein> just finish setting up ndiswrapper
[20:42] <holstein> and then close ndisgtk
[20:42] <holstein> and then you should get back to a prompt
[20:42] <holstein> at which you can type exit
[20:42] <holstein> or close that terminal
[20:42] <holstein> or whatever
[20:43] <holstein> and see if you hav wifi :)
[20:43] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I don't seem to be setting up ndiswrapper at all
[20:44] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: well, it wont do anything
[20:44] <holstein> it'll just make the wifi card work
[20:49] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. I still don't have wifi and I can't leave agreat long cable draped across the room
[20:50] <holstein> yeah?
[20:50] <holstein> it'll be faster and more relaible
[20:50] <holstein> but anyways
[20:50] <MrsHillBilly> I have a window opened called update manager so I have clicked install
[20:50] <holstein> you can just start trying different windows drivers
[20:50] <holstein> for that device
[20:50] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: thats a good idea too
[20:51] <holstein> upgrade while plugged in
[20:51] <holstein> and try the windows driver again*
[20:51] <holstein> that'll take a long time though
[20:51] <holstein> the upgrad
[20:52] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Is it possible I could find a driver for Ubuntu online?
[20:53] <holstein> maybe
[20:54] <holstein> you cant do anything
[20:54] <holstein> and shouldnt
[20:54] <holstein> til the upgrade is completed
[20:54] <MrsHillBilly> Ok. Many thanks for your patience and help. I'll leave the upgrades running and have little play around and see what I can find
[20:55] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:55] <holstein> ^ read that while you wait
[20:55] <holstein> thats relavant
[20:55] <MrsHillBilly> Many thanks
[20:56] <holstein> looks like sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter might work for you
[21:02] <MrsHillBilly> holstein. Just before I go. Is it possible to install proprietary software (such as Real Player) on Ubuntu as I use it a lot to burn CD's
[21:03] <holstein> you use realplayer to burn CD's?
[21:03] <MrsHillBilly> Yep. Does that make me old £åügHîñg Øüt £öüÐ
[21:03] <holstein> you can try using whatever windows software you want with wine
[21:03] <holstein> chck out http://appdb.winehq.org/
[21:03] <holstein> but, realplayer is just awful
[21:04] <holstein> and i dont even think thats a matter of opinion anymore
[21:04] <holstein> i think its well documented and proven ;)
[21:05] <holstein> i just installed the windows version of FF3 in wine
[21:05] <holstein> and it seems to be working well
[21:05] <holstein> and agreeing with the website i was trying to use much better
[21:06] <MrsHillBilly> Ok. Thanks. I will leave tyou in peace now. Thanks again
[21:06] <holstein> MrsHillBilly: sure, anytime :)
[21:48] <rokyronnie> is there a way to have a youtube sync in pidgin as it is in yahoo ?
[22:34] <chaat> if i upgrade to 11.4, is there a path to revert back to 10.10 if i have issues ?
[22:34] <sebsebseb> chaat: yeah, but only called a clean install
[22:34] <chaat> bummer
[22:34] <sebsebseb> !downgrade | chaat
[22:34] <ubot2> chaat: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported and may break your system.
[22:35] <sebsebseb> chaat: you can maybe try it out in a web browser already
[22:35] <sebsebseb> if not soon
[22:35] <sebsebseb> probably
[22:35] <chaat> i'm wondering how the upgrade has been going for people ?
[22:35] <sebsebseb> chaat: for some it's been a slow upgrade, because of the amount of people doing it
[22:35] <sebsebseb> some like Unity, others don't, and others have mixed feelings about it such as myself
[22:35] <sebsebseb> and of course you could use other things in it such as Gnome Shell from ppa and such :)
[22:36] <sebsebseb> !gnome3
[22:36] <ubot2> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA for natty is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system.
[22:36] <chaat> i'm running Ubuntu in a VM on a windows Vista 64 host. so i suppose that i could just create another VM and install Ubuntu 11.4
[22:36] <sebsebseb> chaat: yes you can virtual machine 11.04 and try Unity like that, but you need to do it right, or it won't work, but I can provide a link
[22:37] <sebsebseb> also I would recommend virtual machineing a few distro's, then picking one you like enough and  put on for real :)
[22:37] <chaat> i'll probably continue running windows vista 64 as my host until i get another computer.
[22:38] <sebsebseb> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[22:38] <sebsebseb> chaat: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[22:39] <chaat> i'm a mainframe programmer and i have a number of windows specific programs / tools that i use so until i'm confident that they all run in WINE, i need to keep a windows environment available.
[23:30] <brybot> hey guys. I am running 11.04 live cd on top of a 10.04 installation. The new launch bar on the side is not showing up. Is it because of the underlying installation?
[23:31] <charlie-tca> brybot: do you have one panel or two
[23:32] <brybot> two. top and bottom
[23:32] <charlie-tca> Then you are in classic mode,
[23:32] <coz_> brybot,  and you nvidia card?
[23:32] <brybot> ok. is that default? I have nvidia, yes
[23:32] <charlie-tca> It is because the video card does not support 3d without the hardware driver
[23:32] <coz_> brybot,   without the nvidia driver installed you wont get Unity
[23:32] <coz_> brybot,  so no launcher panel
[23:33] <brybot> ok cool. thanks =)
[23:33] <brybot> I was thinking about switching from NVIDIA to ATI to do some opencl type stuff. how is the driver support for ATI?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> On the ATI 9800 I bought to test unity, good
[23:34] <charlie-tca> Unity works without extra drivers
[23:34] <coz_> brybot,   well I have only had one ati card,, the advantage is the driver is open source now... however i always go nvidia,, but it is up to you and  your needs I suppose
[23:35] <brybot> why do you always go nvidia?
[23:35] <brybot> can I enable the nvidia driver while running the livecd?
[23:35] <coz_> brybot,  I prefer nvidia,,  intel would take second place
[23:36] <coz_> brybot,   mm  I dont know about that,,  I doubt it ,, at least not easity since the system has to be restarted to enable nvidia kernel module..
[23:36] <brybot> ah. i cant even find where I enable it.
[23:36] <coz_> brybot,  that would be under system/administration. additional drivers
[23:37] <coz_> brybot,  or from alt+f2  or terminal    jockey-gtl
[23:37] <coz_> no
[23:37] <coz_> jockey-gtk
[23:38] <brybot> It says no proprietary drivers in use on this system
[23:38] <coz_> brybot,  and it doesnt give any choices for drivers?
[23:38] <charlie-tca> right, you can't enable it on the live cd, as far as I know, unless you use persistent usb drive
[23:38] <brybot> correct. its just blank
[23:38] <coz_> brybot,  then there's your answer :)
[23:38] <brybot> ok. makes sense
[23:39] <charlie-tca> What nvidia driver do you normally use?
[23:39] <coz_> brybot,  which nvidia card do you have?
[23:39] <coz_> :)
[23:39] <charlie-tca> coz_: they say great minds ...
[23:39] <coz_> :)
[23:39] <charlie-tca> I'm going away again.
[23:39] <coz_> brybot,  if you dont know,,,  in terminal       lspci | grep -i vga
[23:39] <brybot> nvidia geforce 9500 gt
[23:40] <coz_>  brybot  ok that should be more than adequate to run Unity
[23:40] <brybot> but I may upgrade to an ATI card to do lots of computation. the ATI is faster
[23:40] <brybot> i just want to make sure im not going to have driver trouble if I make the switch
[23:40] <holstein> how about unity-2d
[23:40] <coz_> brybot,  ok  then  wait to install or  if you install natty now with nvidia,, make sure you remove the nvidia driver from jockey-gtk before switching cards
[23:41] <coz_> unity 2d needs to be installed though
[23:41] <brybot> ok.
[23:41] <brybot> unity 3d comes default, but you have to install 2d?
[23:41] <holstein> thats my understanding
[23:41] <coz_> brybot,   yes  unity-2d is a seprate installe
[23:41] <holstein> whats the package name
[23:41] <holstein> unity-2d?
[23:41] <coz_> holstein,   unity-2d   yes ..
[23:42] <coz_> holstein,  open synaptic package manager
[23:42] <holstein> sudo apt-get install unity-2d
[23:42] <coz_> holstein,  hit Search  type in     unity 2d
[23:42] <holstein> coz_: i dont have 11.04 :)
[23:42] <holstein> well, i do
[23:42] <holstein> i have a test install
[23:42] <holstein> but im not using it
[23:42] <coz_> holstein,  ah I see
[23:42] <holstein> i was just suggesting that to brybot :)
[23:42] <coz_> holstein,  oh he is on livecd
[23:42] <brybot> ok im trying it out
[23:43] <holstein> i bet you can install unity-2d
[23:43] <holstein> and logout and back in
[23:43] <holstein> from the live CD
[23:43] <brybot> ok
[23:43] <holstein> i guess it depends on the size of unity-2d
[23:44] <brybot> so 32 bit was recommended, but I went with 64. any thoughts on that?
[23:44] <brybot> the package DL is 4 MB
[23:44] <holstein> i use 64bit on a production machine
[23:44] <holstein> but, my netbook
[23:44] <holstein> and other laptops
[23:44] <holstein> those are just 32's
[23:44] <brybot> im on a desktop here
[23:44] <brybot> what do you consider a production machine?
[23:44] <holstein> doesnt matter so much anymore really
[23:45] <holstein> brybot: the machine i produce work on
[23:45] <holstein> audio
[23:45] <holstein> not so much the type
[23:45] <holstein> the application
[23:45] <holstein> i went with 64bit on it
[23:45] <coz_> brybot,  any machine that you work with consitently on specific jobs...coding,, audio.. graphics etc  I would consider  production machines
[23:45] <holstein> because i didnt really care about flash or anything like that
[23:45] <holstein> but, even flash is fine now*
[23:46] <holstein> brybot: i think i would try a 32bit live disc
[23:46] <holstein> just in case theres something funky with 64bit and your graphics card
[23:46] <holstein> but thats very unlikely
[23:46] <holstein> brybot: you used to get 3d out of the box?
[23:47] <brybot> ah. well, I use my desktop for mostly fun purposes.
[23:47] <coz_> not with nvidia onboard
[23:47] <brybot> i believe i would have to install the drivers
[23:47] <coz_> brybot,   ok  well fun can be productive also :)
[23:48] <holstein> brybot: how was it last time you installed?
[23:48] <brybot> true. but I typically use my desktop for surfing the web and emails.
[23:48] <holstein> did you need to install proprietary drivers?
[23:48] <holstein> did you have 3d?
[23:49] <brybot> i installed a year ago with 10.04. i am pretty sure I had to use proprietary drivers. but I didnt use 3d. just kept it standard
[23:50] <holstein> brybot: those are important details
[23:50] <holstein> if you still have that install
[23:50] <holstein> i would look
[23:50] <holstein> and see if you *can* enable 3d
[23:50] <holstein> and if so
[23:50] <holstein> what driver you are using
[23:50] <holstein> thats what you'll need to do here
[23:50] <holstein> with 11.04
[23:50] <holstein> to get 3d unity working
[23:50] <holstein> OR
[23:51] <holstein> you'll need to run 2d unity or the old gnome
[23:52] <brybot> ok
[23:52] <brybot> if I was told to "compile abc from the source" how would I do that?
[23:54] <coz_> brybot,  do you have any experience compiling an appliction?
[23:54] <brybot> only in a software development program
[23:55] <coz_> brybot,  mm  well.. when you download the source for that application,, extract the package,, lookside  for  a  README  or INSTALL  file
[23:55] <coz_> brybot,   generally one or the other s hould guide you in the proper commands to use from the terminal in compiling it
[23:56] <coz_> brybot,   it may also tell you which dependencies are required  which means you would have to install those before compiling
[23:56] <coz_> brybot,  typcial compile commands  are   1  ./configure
[23:56] <coz_> 2 make
[23:56] <coz_> 3  sudo make install
[23:56] <brybot> i have used the make command, but not known what I was doing
[23:56] <coz_> ./configure
[23:56] <coz_> make
[23:56] <coz_> sudo make install
[23:56] <brybot> only following directions online
[23:56] <coz_> didnt want you to get confused by the numbers there
[23:56] <brybot> this is what I was told to do "You need to compile py-opencl and py-json from source, the package in ubuntu uses the nvidia drivers. And you can download the ati stream sdk from a post in the ATI forums."
[23:57] <coz_> brybot,  ok
[23:57] <coz_> well good luck on that...
[23:57] <coz_> I have to break here