[00:58] <RedSingularity> hggdh jibel yofel_ micahg :  Thanks guys!  Great to be a part of the team and a awesome community!!  :)
[00:59] <charlie-tca> congrats, RedSingularity
[01:00] <hggdh> heh
[01:00] <RedSingularity> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[01:58] <RedSingularity> Anyone have experience with the gnome-control-center?  Here is a bug I was working a while back.  It is filed against the update-manager, but gnome-control-center may be more appropriate since the problem occurs after that package is updated.  Let me know what you think.  Thanks.  bug 728797
[01:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728797 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "When using "Make Caps Lock an additional Ctrl" keyboard option, doing a dist-upgrade causes caps lock to revert to a caps lock key (affects: 1) (heat: 71)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728797
[02:07] <tarmon> Hey Everyone
[02:08] <tarmon> Just applied to join BugSquad Mentorship
[02:11] <tarmon> Talkative place
[02:11] <ikt> hi how r u? :))
[02:12] <charlie-tca> !u
[02:12] <ubot4> U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information.
[02:12] <ikt> :((
[02:14] <ikt> tarmon, how come you're only in #ubuntu-bugs ?
[02:18] <tarmon> What's that?
[02:18] <tarmon> Where else should I be?
[02:18] <ikt> Where the talking is :)
[02:19] <tarmon> haha, which is? I am new around here :P
[02:19] <tarmon> Explains why it's kinda dead around here
[02:19] <ikt> nah
[02:19] <ikt> it's usually a bit more talkative in here when someone has something bug related happen
[02:20] <ikt> even then it depends on your time zone, there's almost no bug triagers in aus :(
[02:20] <ikt> some chat in #ubuntu-release-party, there's also your ubuntu loco  channels
[02:22] <tarmon> Nice
[02:22] <tarmon> What time/timezone is it being realeased
[02:27] <ikt> tarmon, they don't say, just sometime on april 28
[02:27] <tarmon> Got ya
[02:28] <tarmon> So I just joined the BugSquad Mentorship Launchpad team, any idea how long it typically takes them to accept people?
[02:30] <ikt> not sure, I got moved over as one of the initial batches as I was in the previous team waiting for a mentor
[02:30] <ikt> vash is online a lot though
[02:30] <ikt> so it should be soon
[02:31] <tarmon> Got ya.
[02:31] <tarmon> I noticed there were 6 others who had been waiting a little while.
[02:31] <tarmon> Sudden burst of motivation and wanting to get involved and then I hit this wall :P
[02:31] <ikt> yeah I know how that is
[02:32] <ikt> there's not to much about it though
[02:32] <tarmon> Yeah for sure.
[02:33] <tarmon> So are you still waiting for a mentor or what are you up too?
[02:38] <ikt> tarmon, atm just reading around a bit, waiting for release
[02:38] <ikt> I don't think you wait for a mentor anymore
[02:38] <ikt> did you join bugsquad mentor or bugsquad alpha squad?
[02:39] <trinikrono> hello guys
[02:39] <trinikrono> i am a part of the mentorship alpha group
[02:40] <ikt> gz :)
[02:40] <trinikrono> tarmon: you can join here https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship-group-alpha
[02:40] <trinikrono> just ask one of the admins to add you
[02:40] <trinikrono> look for vish :D
[02:44] <tarmon> COol
[02:44] <tarmon> Yeah I tried to join BugSquad Mentorship
[02:44] <tarmon> But I will shoot them a message
[02:50] <trinikrono> tarmon: this team? the alpha one
[02:51] <tarmon> The alpha one
[02:51] <tarmon> The one you posted a link for?
[02:52] <trinikrono> yes that one
[02:52] <trinikrono> well that ok anyways you know tarmon
[02:52] <trinikrono> where are you at with the triage process
[02:54] <tarmon> Not sure, trying to work my way through all of this. Haven't been at it for too long.
[02:55] <trinikrono> did you read the howto triage already?
[02:56] <tarmon> Yeah, I got through most of it.
[02:56] <trinikrono> what about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[02:57] <tarmon> I have now :)
[02:58] <trinikrono> good so you can sign up for that and we can start you off on some bugs
[02:59] <trinikrono> did you pick a package to specialize in as yet?
[02:59] <tarmon> I have not.
[02:59] <tarmon> I actually have to head out for 30-60 minutes
[02:59] <tarmon> any chance you will still be around when I get back?
[02:59] <trinikrono> i will be if you are coming back :D
[03:00] <trinikrono> i am not in bug control as yet btw
[03:00] <trinikrono> so i can only help you so far anyways
[03:00] <tarmon> Alright well you seem to know more of whats going that I do ;)
[03:00] <tarmon> I should be back on in an hour or less
[03:00] <tarmon> Thanks!
[03:01] <trinikrono> ikt: are you in the mentorship group also?
[03:34] <ikt> trinikrono: yea
[03:34] <trinikrono> :D what do you triage
[03:54] <ikt> trinikrono, anything really
[03:54] <ikt> mainly watch over bugs filed against ubuntu
[04:27] <tarmon> bug 772008
[04:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 772008 in ubuntu "gnome-panel is running over unity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772008
[07:55] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[10:18] <jibel> mvo, Hi, I hope you enjoyed your vacation :-)
[10:19] <jibel> mvo, I've a bug that's you'll maybe find interesting
[10:19] <jibel> mvo, bug 769680
[10:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769680 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "during kubuntu-desktop upgrade to Natty, gnome packages are removed if python is hold back to <2.7 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769680
[10:19] <jibel> half of the system has been removed during upgrade
[10:24] <mvo> thanks jibel, I check this out
[10:47] <mvo> jibel: fixed in -proposed
[10:51] <jibel> mvo, excellent, I was not requesting a quick fix though :-)
[10:58] <mvo> jibel: :)
[13:41] <Pici> Hm.  If I notice a bug in the release notes, should I fix it myself (!itsawiki) or is there someone better to notify? (specifically the mention of using do-release-upgrade -d)
[13:58] <pedro_> anybody with a raid1 and a natty installation ? ;-)
[13:59] <pedro_> bug 761971 needs some help with that
[13:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 761971 in mdadm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "no notification that one of the disks has been disconnected in a raid 1 configurtion (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761971
[15:40] <JoshuaL> I am trying to triage a bug, the bug 772409. main.log says 2011-04-28 10:37:22,258 DEBUG Can't mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.), i already gave the bug the tag maverick2natty. Is there any other thing I can change like the status or request more information?
[15:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772409 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 "Could not calculate the upgrade" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772409
[15:52] <mvo> JoshuaL: I commented in the bug
[15:53] <JoshuaL> ok ty
[15:55] <JoshuaL> bbl
[18:15] <bdmurray> jibel_: does update-managaer have bug reporting guidelines?
[19:28] <njin> hello fellows, i need a Xorg expert for this 2 heads problem(WW): NVIDIA: The Composite and Xinerama extensions are both enabled, which is an unsupported configuration.  The driver will continue to load, but may behave strangely.
[19:42] <ohsix> njin: you'll need to talk to nvidia, they are mutually exclusive, and they only do xinerama as a multihead hack, in lieu of xrandr 1.2+ support
[19:43] <njin> ohsix: do you think that installing Experimental drivers can fix this?
[19:46] <yofel> the expermintal drivers in jockey are meant for nouveau, so that would circumvent the issue by changing the driver. But the issue would still stay the same for nvidia
[19:46] <ohsix> yea, that
[19:46] <ohsix> you might try a natty livecd to see how that would go, then upgrade to natty :]
[20:20] <jibel> bdmurray, There is this doc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager , I didn't review it recently
[20:23] <bdmurray> jibel: I meant https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+edit
[20:23] <bdmurray> jibel: and it looks like there are
[20:27] <jibel> bdmurray, I learned something. I completely ignored the existence of these +edit link.
[20:27] <bdmurray> jibel: well it only appears on the +source page so might be hard to find
[20:35] <JoshuaL> If a user says that it looks like the issue is fixed, can I close it or should I wait for the user to be sure its fixed?
[21:31] <RedSingularity> So the next bug meeting is the 19th at 1700 UTC?  That was the final decision?
[21:43] <yofel> RedSingularity: the 5th at 1700 and the next on the 19th at 1700, after that evey 2nd thursday of a month
[21:44] <RedSingularity> yofel: ok great.  Thanks buddy :)
[21:44] <yofel> sure, let's see if having it on the bugday will get some more people to listen ^^
[21:45] <RedSingularity> lol
[21:56] <bdmurray> participation would be better than listening ;-)
[22:03] <jibel> isn't update-manager's hook supposed to attach dist-upgrade logs when there's a failure during a release upgrade ? Very few upgrade reports have them attached.
[22:03] <bdmurray> jibel: do you have an example?  I was looking at this code the other day
[22:04] <jibel> bdmurray, bug 772539
[22:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772539 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "nasty distro upgrade crashed (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772539
[22:04] <bdmurray> nasty?
[22:05] <jibel> :-)
[22:05] <jibel> bug 772583
[22:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772583 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Updating to Kubuntu 11.04, couldn't finish (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772583
[22:05] <jibel> bug 772602
[22:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772602 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "During upgrad error message regarding calculating the upgrade, E:ErrorpckProblemResolver::Resolve Generated Breaks (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772602
[22:05] <jibel> and so on ...
[22:05] <bdmurray> its not clear to me those first 2 are crashes
[22:06] <jibel> how did they filed the reports ?
[22:07] <jibel> bug 772611
[22:07] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772611 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Maverick - Natty upgrade crashes on kubuntu-desktop package (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772611
[22:08] <bdmurray> I think bug 721382 might help with some of this
[22:08] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 721382 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "dist-upgrade error message should say to use ubuntu-bug (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721382
[22:08] <RedSingularity> jibel: I have found many reports from distribution upgrades lacking those files as well.
[22:12] <bdmurray> As I understand it not being able to calcuate the upgrade with return the message in bug 721382 which is suboptimal
[22:12] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 721382 in update-manager (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "dist-upgrade error message should say to use ubuntu-bug (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721382
[22:13] <bdmurray> jibel: if you can help with a test case fro a crash though I'd be happy to help sort this out
[22:13] <bdmurray> oh hang on
[22:14] <jibel> bdmurray, That would obviously improve the situation. Sure, I can reproduce a crash.
[22:14] <jibel> I've 2 test cases actually, 1. couldn't calculate the upgrade 2. crash during upgrade
[22:15] <jibel> both crashes requires the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[22:16] <jibel> for 2. the hook must determine if it's a regular upgrade or a release upgrade
[22:19] <jibel> RedSingularity, for info there are many upgrade failures because of bug 772387,
[22:19] <jibel> you'll see "Broken openoffice.org-dmaths:amd64 Depends on libreoffice-dmaths [ amd64 ] < none > ( none )" at the bottom of the file apt.log
[22:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772387 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "failed to upgrade to natty: openoffice.org-dmaths : Depends: libreoffice-dmaths but it is not installable (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 32)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772387
[22:20] <bdmurray> jibel: I think I've sorted out one of the issues
[22:20] <jibel> bdmurray, what is it ?
[22:20] <RedSingularity> jibel: thanks for the heads up :)  I am going to make a note of that now for duplicates.
[22:20] <bdmurray> jibel: well let me test it first ;-)
[22:21] <jibel> ok :-)
[22:30] <bdmurray> jibel: do you recall how to do an sru test of a dist-upgrade? since a new version of update-manager gets downloaded...
[22:31] <jibel> bdmurray, what do you mean ? testing the version in natty-proposed ?
[22:33] <bdmurray> jibel: right
[22:33] <jibel> bdmurray, update-manager -p
[22:33] <jibel> this will download the release-upgrader from -proposed
[22:35]  * BUGabundo cries
[22:36] <BUGabundo> I got left out of #ubuntu+1 before I could say good bye to my friends
[22:36] <BUGabundo> it was closed TOO SOON
[22:38] <yofel> yeah, somehow we got the release done in the morning, I almost forgot to say bye too
[22:39] <BUGabundo> its NEVER in the morning :(
[22:39] <micahg> people must have been able to work faster in unity ;)
[22:39] <jibel> bdmurray, same kind of reporting issue with ubiquity, bug 772721 . It asks to use ubiquity/+filebug rather than directly reporting the bug and attaching the right files.
[22:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772721 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "On install apt crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772721
[22:39] <BUGabundo> we already run that stat for 10.04
[22:39] <BUGabundo> its almost always around 14-16 GMT
[22:39] <BUGabundo> oh well
[22:40] <BUGabundo> time to check for a new chain
[22:40] <BUGabundo> still on natty
[22:40] <BUGabundo> oh well
[22:40] <BUGabundo> tomorrow should be there
[22:46] <BUGabundo> meh
[22:46] <BUGabundo> totem-video-thumbnailer is killing my CPU
[22:47] <jibel> Yay, I've found a high score, 64 different ppa enabled, and strangely the system refuses to upgrade :)
[22:49] <micahg> wow, 64 PPAs...I think I topped out at 20
[22:50]  * yofel has 25 PPA enabled on his system, some of them pinned though
[22:51] <BUGabundo> wc -l sources.list
[22:51] <BUGabundo> 57 sources.list
[22:51] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/600471/
[22:51] <yofel> 319, but most of it is commented out
[22:52] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:52] <BUGabundo> -v #
[22:53] <BUGabundo> $ grep http sources.list | grep -v "# deb" | wc -l
[22:53] <BUGabundo> 14
[22:54] <jibel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600473/
[22:55] <yofel> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$ | grep natty | grep -v deb-src | wc -l
[22:55] <yofel> 22
[22:56] <yofel> nice collection he has there...
[22:56] <BUGabundo> that give me 7 LOL
[22:56] <BUGabundo> so half of my are pre-natty
[22:56] <BUGabundo> jibel so you have *every* ppa available ? :P
[22:56] <BUGabundo> you are better off running debian unstable :))))
[22:57] <yofel> hm, that should be 23, kubuntu-ninjas is private so I manage that seperate