Tips for safe internet use

[01:04] hello [01:04] jbicha, i submitted my doc to the mailing list [01:09] Captainkrtek: yes I saw it but didn't quite get to it yet [01:09] okay :) [01:09] too busy playing with other bugs [01:10] Captainkrtek: you don't do HTML/CSS, do you? [01:10] ehh notreally [01:10] but i know an expert who could help [01:26] jbicha, what is more urgent to do, stubs or outdated? [01:26] outdated I would guess... [01:31] outdated definitely [01:31] okay cool [01:31] ill see if I can get some other stuff added [01:32] / fixed [01:32] let me know which you decide to work on please [01:32] okay [01:32] or if you want to assign anything to me [01:32] :) [01:32] yeah that might be better too [01:33] did you figure out the check_status script? [01:34] havent fiddled with it much, what does it do? check files if they are under review or something? [01:35] prints a list of .page's by revision status [01:35] oooh cool [01:35] also, if we need more scripts made. I know a little bit of bash scripting [01:37] files-share needs updating [01:37] k [01:37] ill take a look at that right now [01:38] just used check_status, pretty useful script! [01:38] fallback-mode could be rewritten to talk a little about Ubuntu Classic fallback I suppose [01:38] okay [01:38] ill check out share first [01:39] can't you assign files to someone on launchpad? if so, load em up on my page :) https://launchpad.net/~steven.richards [01:39] and the shell- pages also need to be looked at [01:39] okay [01:39] no, files can't be assigned just bugs [01:40] so whichever ones you can do is good [01:40] okay [01:40] hehe looking at file-share date="2011-04-06" status="outdated" [01:40] oh wait [01:40] read that backwards, thought the year was 06 [01:49] jbicha, when editing an outdated article what do I do for the credit, replace the author? [01:50] no, that's attribution and needs to stay [01:50] if I only do very minor changes I don't even add another credit [01:50] but if we're rewriting it, I add the Ubuntu Documentation Team credit [01:52] if you write a page all yourself, crediting yourself is probably good too [01:53] okay [01:53] so ill just leave it [01:53] looking at the net-email-virus page [01:55] the net- pages should be pretty good, we just need someone to check them and mark them final [01:56] okay [01:56] Im also just cleaning some of em up [01:56] rewording and such [01:58] it's the network menu on the top panel [01:58] to match the wording we're using elsewhere [02:01] okay [02:01] saw some emails today, renaming the top panel to menu bar? or something like that [02:19] jbicha, is the credit type of "editor" used? [02:19] I think we're waiting for 11.10 to change it to menu bar [02:21] no, we haven't used editor yet [02:21] k [02:21] I made some big changes to an article [02:22] just add for me as author? [02:22] or the team [02:22] hmm, I think I'm going to need to reinstall Ubuntu, running out of space on my /home partition with all this code I'm checking out these days [02:22] heh [02:22] need a server to offload some data? I have a nice dedicated box, I could open a shell for you :) [02:24] I think I'll be ok, there's a few different computers in my house [02:24] okay [02:24] but if you need a few gigs or more of space for files, let me know! [02:25] jbicha, so I just finished reading/editing/re-writing a doc, change status to review? [02:26] yes [02:26] k [02:26] check the mailing list shortly :) [02:27] what about commit messages, anything style wise I should follow? or just state what ive done [02:30] we're not too picky, you can look at our commit log if you want style ideas [02:30] kk [02:30] gonna look at some more outdated files [02:30] ill submit a batch [02:48] jbicha, how do you do a bulleted list in mallard? can't find it on the project mallard site [02:49] oh nevermind [03:10] just wrote up net-security :) [03:12] um.... [03:12] that's not supposed to be written up [03:12] oh... [03:12] well I wrote a sub-article for it [03:12] "staying safe on the internet" [03:13] well, maybe [03:13] it's pretty good in my opinion [03:14] let me pastebin it [03:15] jbicha, http://pastebin.com/URQehmaZ [03:20] you left out the final

[03:20] oh whoops! [03:20] but what do you think overall, content wise? [03:21] you could ask someone else, but I prefer that page to be a guide page [03:22] yeah [03:22] I see what you mean [03:22] so maybe like [03:22] if you think there's a topic that's not covered, you could write a separate topic page [03:22] net-security-tips [03:22] ? [03:24] the scope might be too broad for just 1 page [03:24] and you'd want to try to get into gnome too [03:24] really? just thinkings a few pointers, with links to other guides [03:24] hmmm [03:24] im just covering general practices [03:24] not very centric on unity or gnome [03:25] your 4 bullets at the top aren't defined [03:25] yeah [03:25] true [03:25] I can think of a few articles to link to [03:25] did you know Gnome docs has its own IRC channel? [03:26] No I did not [03:26] Gnome uses its own server, irc.gnome.org and it's #docs [03:26] okay cool [03:26] but it's a lot of the same people actually :-) [03:26] hehe, wonder why ;-) [03:27] they use git and are probably more interested in some of these new topic ideas you have [03:27] okay [03:27] and since we pull from them, it gets into Ubuntu too but also into Fedora, etc. [03:27] ahh [03:28] cool [03:28] let me continue writing this page and see where I take it [03:28] ok [03:28] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs/ [03:28] linking to other pages [03:31] I found a place for it in our docs [03:31] what about Networking terms & tips [03:33] I think it'd fit well in there [03:49] jbicha, can you pastebin your net-security page? I need to undo my changes heh [03:49] don't feel like uncommitting [04:01] just do bzr revert net-security.page [04:01] you can revert individual pages [04:01] or what's your question again? [04:33] weird [04:33] oh hold on [04:33] ignore me :P [04:45] jbicha, check your email [04:45] just submitted a few changes [04:47] hello jjesse & JasonO [04:48] Hi Captainkrtek [04:48] You know much about bzr? [04:50] It depends on what. [04:50] I do. [04:51] Well I made a new document and it showed up in the commit as Unknown: filename.blah and then didn't appear in the diffname.txt [04:51] do I need to add it somewhere? [04:51] What branch is this? [04:52] gnome-docs [04:52] /C [04:52] unknown: [04:52] gnome-help/C/diffname.txt [04:52] gnome-help/C/net-security-tips.page [04:52] ignore the diffname.txt [04:52] err not gnome-docs , gnome-help [04:53] yes, that means you didn't do bzr add nameoffile [04:53] ahh [04:53] okay thanks :) [04:54] Captainkrtek Glad you got that answerd because I was trying to figure out whether ...blah was made on purpose by you. [04:54] ? [04:55] I feel bad that I keep sending two emails for each thing [04:55] forgot to check the diffname.txt for the new page I added :/ [04:55] Captainkrtek: I'm not sure the virus page needs all those changes [04:57] please don't change the indenting unless you need to [04:57] okay [04:57] last night you said no indenting [04:57] it makes it more difficult to see what has actually changed [04:57] so I wasn't sure [04:57] :/ [04:57] no, I said no tabs, use spaces [04:57] oh [04:58] feel like im making a mess of all this :( [04:58] nah, it's ok, it's just a bit more effort to figure out how we can merge this [04:58] so should I submit this: http://pastebin.com/2Hd8tPwb [04:59] that diffname? [04:59] you can always mv your current branch and make a new bzr branch to have a clean branch [04:59] yeah [04:59] was considering that [04:59] and then copy in the changes you've made [04:59] yeah [04:59] that might make more sense to you than bzr uncommit and revert [05:00] yeah [05:00] I guess I'll go ahead and do that [05:00] what about the display-2monitors.page? [05:00] that patch okay? [05:03] I'm a bit uncomfortable reviewing the 2monitors page as I don't have 2 monitors hooked up to test it [05:03] I tested it [05:03] but I guess you have to review it as well [05:06] jbicha, okay Ill go back and fix all my stuff [05:06] re-pull the repo [05:09] when you paste your diffs, try setting syntax to diff like http://paste.ubuntu.com/600129/ [05:10] okay [05:11] your change to clock-timezone is good, I've been setting today's date for the revision but I have no idea if that matters [05:11] your change to virus is difficult to read as you changed too many lines [05:11] I dont know if it does either [05:11] sorry :/ [05:11] the guy who wrote it before had some things I disagreed with [05:11] like definitions and certain wording [05:12] the title should generally be sentence case, so "Do I need to scan my email for viruses?" is ok [05:12] I dont think I changed that title [05:12] gm [05:13] so I see some changes to make things clearer or fix grammar there [05:13] in the email one? [05:14] but the more changes we make, the greater challenge to keep it in sync with Gnome [05:14] yeah [05:14] complex business heh [05:14] sorry for making more work for you [05:16] j1mc: hi! [05:16] hello j1mc [05:22] hi jbicha [05:22] hey Captainkrtek [05:24] jbicha, so I fixed my new page the security tips one in the new clean branch, should I just drop the email-virus doc? [05:28] I see 3 good changes in the virus page: change "causes" to "cause" in the first line [05:28] take out "quite" from the second paragraph, and mark as final [05:29] k [05:29] and the display page? [05:30] I'd rather someone else look at the 2monitor page [05:31] so don't submit that change? [05:31] im positive about it, I use 2 displays and tested it, but you need someone to review... [05:31] if you can submit it as a separate diff that would be good [05:31] k [05:31] but you basically already did that, right? [05:31] yeah [05:32] check for spam folder for my diffs ;-) [05:34] so submit the net-security-tips and make the few changes to email-virus [05:39] you need to figure out some way to manage the titles [05:39] what do you mean? [05:39] you're proposing "Staying safe on the Internet" when there is already another page called "Keeping safe on the Internet" [05:40] oh there is... [05:40] where is it? [05:41] net-security which your page should be a topic page of [05:42] hmmm [05:42] so ill do a sub page of that [05:42] like tips [05:42] or something [05:43] yup, and go ahead and add some indentation too :-) [05:43] jbicha, how about: Tips for safe internet use [05:43] I did :) [05:43] Captainkrtek: would be good to plan it out a bit better than that. : ) [05:43] heh [05:43] j1mc, im new here :P [05:44] Captainkrtek: i understand... but maybe outline it and send it to the ML first. see if it fits in. [05:44] get some feedback and save some time [05:44] ML? sorry don't know the acronyms [05:45] mailing list [05:45] oh [05:45] I have been [05:45] so just send http://paste.ubuntu.com/600133/ in the ML? [05:49] Captainkrtek: good question. that would be fine for now. [05:49] k [05:49] i would attach it as a text file [05:49] to your message to the mailing list [05:49] k [05:49] like attach the .page? [05:49] yes, that would be good. [05:50] also [05:50] I have the change for the email-virus [05:50] those 3 little things [05:50] add the diffname for that? [05:50] and just bzr remove net-security-tips for now [05:50] if the email-virus page already exists in the ubuntu docs, then attaching a diff is ok [05:50] k [05:51] if it's a new page, then ... probably the whole page is ok. [05:51] okay thanks :) [05:51] you'll see an email in a minute [05:55] trying to bzr bundle... [05:55] bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. [06:02] nevermind [06:04] jbicha, sent it off, hope everyone doesn't hate me heh [07:18] hey [07:18] jbicha, thanks for your patience and help, hope I haven't been too much of a pain [07:19] ah, np, we need all the contributors we can get! :-) [07:19] I think im getting the hang of things [07:20] you get a chance to look at my latest message to the ML? [07:21] bzr pull [07:21] then I need to reboot to do that haha [07:22] In windows working on a powerpoint for Samsung [07:22] we're not sure about the net-security one yet [07:22] okay [07:22] no need to reboot [07:22] what'd you patch? the email? [07:22] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty/revision/1521 [07:23] ahh cool :) [07:23] what are karma points in Launchpad? [07:24] nothing :-) [07:24] well I have 3 haha [07:24] 3 nothings [07:25] https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma [07:26] it's possible to cheat and have a high karma without doing useful work [07:26] so how do the points get added? [07:26] but it is sorta useful [07:26] if Im only submitting my stuff via the ML? [07:27] or do you have the power to add them or something [07:28] because you did a bzr bundle and I did a bzr merge, bzr knows that you submitted code [07:28] so you get some points [07:28] ahh cool :) [07:28] I don't know how many points get awarded for what activity though [07:29] Well I'll get back to work! earning those points [07:29] what are your plans with the 2display doc [07:29] my plan is for you to find someone to review it :-) [07:29] I can [07:30] but you'd need someone at your ranking to review it, right? [07:30] see if someone else on the team has 2 monitors [07:30] okay [07:31] only committers can commit it but others can review [07:31] ahh [07:31] ill send an email on the ml [07:32] sent [07:33] This is my first time doing anything in the Ubuntu community, glad I can be of some help :-) [07:58] hello dpm [07:59] hi Captainkrtek [08:38] hey dpm [08:42] dpm: what's your view from a translation point of view of moving to an upstream project rather than the ubuntu package on Launchpad? I'm slowing realising that it would give us quite a lot more flexibility and control. I've always resisted it in the past because it seems dispersive, so I'd like your thoughts [08:42] hey mdke, I was just replying to your e-mail on Oneiric objectives about that :) [08:44] mdke, the good news is that it will not be necessary to move any of the infrastructure: now that the message sharing across source packages and upstream projects in Launchpad is nearly ready, it will only be necessary to activate translations in the ubuntu-docs upstream project, mark them as shared with the ubuntu-docs source package and then the translations from Ubuntu will flow into the upstream project [08:44] then you can also benefit from automatic imports (i.e. commit a template and get it automatically exposed in LP) [08:45] and automatic exports (i.e. get translations automatically -daily- committed to a branch of your choice) [08:48] that's interesting [08:49] do you think it's appropriate to activate translations in the upstream project though? [08:49] I know other ubuntu developed projects do it, and the translators don't seem to mind, but it means them keeping on top of where everything is happening [08:49] oh, translations flow from ubuntu to upstream? [08:50] that's excellent [08:50] but I guess the pot templates don't flow from upstream to ubuntu [08:50] so translators would still need to look at the upstream project for new strings [08:54] mdke, I think it makes sense to activate them. In the case of other projects, it might make more sense in some cases: i.e. the synaptic LP upstream project is not only used in Ubuntu, but also in e.g. Debian and it exposes translations. Then the synaptic source package also exposes translations, and allows for having different strings than upstream. In the case of the ubuntu-docs project, it would not make much difference, as it is clearly an Ubuntu-only [08:54] project. Perhaps you could make the upstream translations read-only by setting the permissions to Closed, but I'd have to check out if that would prevent downstream translations from flowing in. As per the other questions: [08:56] no, the pot templates don't flow from upstream to Ubuntu. In the upstream project, if you use automatic imports you just need to commit them and they'll appear in LP. In the Ubuntu source package, you'll simply need to keep the current method: generating a pot template upon package build [08:57] the problem we have is that we don't/can't upload all the time. Especially after the release, it would help to be able to expose new strings immediately to translators without making an upload [08:57] that would mean we wouldn't mark the upstream project as read-only, but rather ask translators to work there by default and not in ubuntu [08:59] mdke, but even in the case where there hasn't been an update of the pot file in the source package for a while, as long as the upstream has an up to date pot template, if translators do their work in upstream, the translations will still be shared in the upstream -> downstream direction, and as soon as the ubuntu source package's pot file gets updated, LP will use the translations from upstream to fill the 'new' strings in the downstream ubuntu source pac [08:59] kage [09:00] the translations are there all of the time in the database, as they are marked as shared [09:01] it's only that when updating the downstream pot file, if they've been translated upstream, they will be made visible, or 'active' [09:02] that doesn't matter. We would import the translations from upstream in the bzr branch and so they would be included in the upload already [09:02] it sounds a cool system [09:02] as long as the translators are prepared to work in the upstream place, which is what gave me some concerns [09:03] yeah, but even if they aren't, assuming that the downstream POT file is up to date by string freeze, they can just work in the source package in the same way they do today, and the upstream branch will get the translations, which is quite cool :) [09:04] yes, that would work, although then they are potentially working in two places [09:05] well, as long as you are happy with the idea, I'm happy with it too [09:06] ok, i'm really late for work :) See ya [09:06] there are still a couple of open questions, as I've still not been able to road test the feature yet. It will be activated very soon after review. Perhaps we can then have a quick chat after that, enable it and give it a good test? [09:07] ok, yeah, using message sharing seems the way to go for me [09:07] see ya! [09:23] mdke: is the build directory important? because I was going to add it .bzrignore [09:53] !paste [09:53] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [09:54] I have run a test to build gnome-user-doc/natty Building works but I receive this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600196/ [10:04] peppe84: yes I get those errors too but it works [10:06] Hi. Yes I see that works fine. maybe any title in home page are missing? http://imagebin.org/150579 [10:11] has the build finished? because the titles are supposed to show [10:11] yes [10:12] I have finish to build with make gnone-help, then I have open with firefox /build/index.html === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === issyl0 is now known as Guest23776 [15:24] j1mc: hey [15:26] can somebody running unity run the following command and pastebin the results please: [15:26] gdbus call --session -d org.freedesktop.DBus -o /org/freedesktop/DBus -m org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames [15:27] also, if anybody is running unity-2d, I'd like the results there too [15:29] !paste [15:29] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [15:30] here you hare shaunm http://paste.ubuntu.com/600296/ this is about unity [15:33] peppe84: thanks! that has exactly what I hoped it would [15:34] oh good :-D [15:34] specifically, com.canonical.Unity [16:41] shaunm: sorry, i had opened irc, but wasn't looking at it [16:42] j1mc: it's cool. peppe84 helped me [16:43] * shaunm needs a direct wire into j1mc's brain [16:44] j1mc: although if you happen to have xfce running on your machine, I wouldn't mind seeing the dbus services running [16:44] don't know how much you run xfce these days [16:52] hehe [16:52] i don't have it installed, but could run it in a vm [16:52] s/it/xfce [16:53] better yet... let me just ask a xubuntu user [16:56] shaunm: http://pastebin.com/VjAEfKs3 [16:56] Xfce 4.8 on Xubuntu ^^ [16:58] hah, I read that at first as "could run it in vim" [16:58] and thought "shit, I don't even think emacs could do that" [16:58] hehe [16:59] org.xfce.Panel or org.xfce.SessionManager are probably what I want [17:00] god I love dbus [17:00] haha [17:01] shaunm: regarding kyle's wish to have this in some sort of dconf or gconf key. i wonder why that is necessary for him. [17:01] i think he works with oems [17:02] and would perhaps want some kind of way of setting that value himself [17:02] yeah, and canonical does customized systems for them, I think [17:03] but it's like there's this house, and I'm not allowed in, and the windows are all glass block so I can't really see anything inside [17:03] and I'm being asked to create the furniture [17:03] yeah [17:03] well, do you mean with it being canonical-sekrit-oem stuff, or do you mean guessing the session? [17:03] sekrit stuff [17:04] I can see everything you guys are doing with stock unity stuff. I can design for that [17:04] yeah, he is a downstream of even ubuntu docs, but his needs aren't clear to me. [17:06] robert ancel is working on 'lightdm' - a replacement for gdm. it's his own project, and although he works for canonical, it is not under the canonical contributor agreement. [17:06] so I believe I can reliably discern between gnome-shell, gnome-panel, unity, and xfce [17:06] i wonder if we could talk with him about this issue [17:06] and I think the dbus checks are the best way to handle this [17:07] if lightdm were able to set a key in dconf or gconf, then yelp could pick up on that. i suppose you'd have to be running lightdm, though. [17:07] and I'm certain I could get kde with just another dbus check [17:07] not sure other distros would pick up on it so quickly [17:07] if that were the best way, I could push for it in gdm [17:07] I think it's very unlikely that gnome will move to lightdm [17:07] yeah [17:08] it seems to me like lightdm is mostly a reaction against the fact that gdm runs a full gnome session [17:08] and gdm does that on purpose for very good reasons [17:08]