[01:20] cjwatson, I verified successfully the fix for Wubi, and smoke tested desktop images successfully as well. I notified IS, going to bed now. [01:36] Probably too late, but I have the omap4 image of kubuntu-mobile running now. Still needs some polish, but the image is now a complete SD image. After oem-config runs, a system reboot is required for the plasma-mobile environment to start. [02:57] GrueMaster: Thanks for testing. Sounds acceptable to me for a tech preview image. [02:57] I haven't tested the omap3 image, but it should have the same results. [02:58] I'm closing up for the day. Need dinner and my brain is drained from testing & wiki-wacking. === reves is now known as MarkShuttleworth === MarkShuttleworth is now known as reves === ckwalsh is now known as ckw [07:12] if anyone from the release team up? if so could they give me an estimate on release time? [07:13] rbnswartz, asking is futile [07:13] They will release it when they release it [07:15] ckw I can hope can't I? :) [07:17] I have a free block of bandwidth now and was looking to see how soon release is. [07:19] lol [07:19] I'm also waiting for the torrents *I want to break 1.5 TB upload this year, got to 1.1 last year) and I'm waiting too [07:20] s/*/(/ [07:21] I think it will still be a few hours, I don't think UK's even at work yet [07:21] debian did a twitter feed of all the happenings when they released squeeze. Ubuntu should do the same [07:31] Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol [07:34] all I want to know is if it will be in the the next couple hours. [07:35] Perhaps we need a bot that says "It will be out when it's out." every five seconds. [07:36] I got up at 2AM hoping that it will be soon. If it won't be within the next couple horse my bandwidth window will close. [07:36] depends when ISO testing & confirmation is finished [07:36] Precisely. [07:36] * maco does not have a crystal ball [07:37] Precisely.[B [07:37] Grar. [07:38] * wgrant kicks screen. [07:42] wgrant this is random but how do add those comments? [07:42] rbnswartz: Which comments? [07:42] * wgrant wonders what you're talking about. [07:43] that [07:43] * wgrant still isn't sure. [07:43] the little text notes such as "wgrant still isn't sure" [07:44] maco: I'm stealing that statement :) [07:44] nigelb: you dont even get the reference because you dont even watch the show! [07:44] maco: BBT? [07:44] no [07:44] Dr. Who? [07:44] yes [07:44] :) [07:44] It has to be one of 'em :) [07:44] rbnswartz: You ruin all the fun: "/me still isn't sure." [07:45] nigelb: i need to watch some new shows to trip you up, huh? [07:45] we should probably not spam this channel [07:45] maco: haha ;) [07:45] * rbnswartz enlightened [07:45] * rbnswartz is enlightened [07:50] Good morning [07:51] superm1: I don't mind shortening the maturing period for #771560; just say there that you tested it? (since nobody else really can) [07:52] superm1: ah, you did === ogasawara_ is now known as ogasawara === reves is now known as COMPIZSTYLES === COMPIZSTYLES is now known as reves [08:54] rbnswartz: it won't quite be in the next couple of hours from when you asked [08:55] cjwatson thanks. [09:00] cjwatson, headless will end up at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/releases/11.04/ , right (there is no download link in the release notes yet) [09:00] ? [09:01] ogra_: lose the "ubuntu-headless" path element [09:02] k [09:02] same for netbook ? [09:02] yeah - as I indicated the other day [09:02] right, just wanted to be sure before i edit :) [09:03] 12:36 I think if I do that they may also end up in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/ rather than http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-{headless,netbook}/releases/natty/release/ [09:03] (though yeah, 11.04 rather than natty in official docs) [09:04] Riddell,ScottK: will anyone be able to sign off on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest for kubuntu-mobile? I gather from scrollback that omap3 is still untested but that omap4 is believed OK with caveats [09:04] right, changed (if the wiki ever saves) [09:04] Riddell,ScottK: Kate wants manifest signoff before we publish images [09:24] hmm, investigating -mobile [09:32] skaet, cjwatson: good to go on kubuntu-mobile [09:32] I've signed it off [09:32] arm as well as i386? [09:33] Riddell, thanks for chasing it down. [09:34] yes arm too [09:35] ok, thanks [09:36] Riddell, kubuntu on powerpc is not affected by 756719 ? [09:36] bug 756719 [09:36] Launchpad bug 756719 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "PowerPC Natty Beta LiveCD Hangs Bad Mirror (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756719 [09:38] jibel: hmm, I thought they had been tested but I don't see anything on iso tracker [09:38] that does seem like it should affect both similarly, unless I'm missing something in the ubiquity KDE frontend [09:39] it affects alternate as well but you can workaround by setting the mirror manually [09:40] indeed [09:41] only report I have is.. [09:41] 20:25 < Tm_T> Riddell: live boots, apps gets launched 20:26 < Tm_T> ...and because of apparently broken hardware (I/O errors from cdrom device) at some point I got plasma-desktop being rather unresponsive [09:41] so I guess he didn't get as far as installing it [09:41] I'll withdraw it from the publication I'm doing until we get signoff [09:42] yep [09:56] is it out yet? === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [10:28] is it out yet ? [10:29] dingan: #ubuntu-release-party [10:34] what's the difference between https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes ? [10:34] and which should I link to from kubuntu.org for a "here's what's in Ubuntu in general"? [10:34] Riddell, ReleaseNotes please [10:34] its where the public links will go. [10:34] TechnicalOverview is for pre-release [10:35] ReleaseNotes is for release [10:35] ie. TO for natty, RN for 11.04 [10:35] :) [10:51] So, welcome :-) [10:53] mdz: if you ask "is it out yet?" we'll just send you to #ubuntu-release-party :) [10:53] mdz, merci! ; ) [10:54] Riddell, I can just watch over cjwatson's shoulder instead ;-) [10:56] should've done that half an hour ago ;-) [11:42] good morning [11:47] hey stgraber [11:52] so i heard you guys had a secret milestone build of 11.10 [11:53] paranox: we do not [11:53] the oneiric series hasn't been created yet; we'll start bootstrapping it later today [11:53] this IS #windows8-release, right? [11:54] "we'll" start bootstrapping it? [11:54] paranox, See #windows8-release-party [11:54] does that mean you are somehow associated with canonical? [11:54] Nope, not at all [11:55] I'll be good now, please don't kick [11:55] you weren't trolling [11:55] (possibly a ban was a bit excessive) === mdz` is now known as mdz === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:06] skaet: will you ping me when release happens? [12:06] me too please [12:07] I think it's now. They just muted #ubuntu-release-party [12:07] ckw: don't do the "I think it's now" thing here, please. [12:07] I think that was to stop the flood of people saying "I" [12:07] this is a business channel. [12:08] Ah. I misinterpretted the purpose of the mute then. Apologies. [12:09] I was setup with "the channel will be mutted and people will say "It's released" when it's ready", so I made a logical jump [12:09] hey mvo! has been a while ;) [12:09] stgraber: yeah, easter++ [12:10] ++ ?? [12:10] extra eggs ? [12:10] :) === nickmoeck is now known as no_it_isnt === no_it_isnt is now known as nickmoeck === reves is now known as get_the_torrent === get_the_torrent is now known as reves === brendand is now known as Ima_Goodboy === Ima_Goodboy is now known as brendand [12:12] Riddell will do [12:14] take your time, #ubuntu-release-party doesnt even have 500 ppl yet :) [12:15] ogra_: heh, yeah, lets wait for 1000 :) [12:16] i think we never had 1000 yet [12:16] iirc lucid was close though [12:17] If @ubuntudev were to tweet "we will release when we have 1000 people in release party, we will replease", we'll get there in 5 secs [12:17] Anyway, I should let you folks work :) [12:25] skaet, TI asked for a minor change in the release notes/announcement [12:25] ogra, just made it. [12:25] to the announce [12:25] please change the release notes directly [12:26] will do [12:29] hmm, the "panda" and "beagle" reference isnt in the release notes wikipage [12:31] skaet, [12:31] Developer reference images are provided for select Texas Instruments (TI) ARM [12:31] platforms, specifically the "PandaBoard" and "BeagleBoard" developer systems. [12:31] thats what i changed on the release announcement wiki === nickmoeck is now known as Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh [12:34] same change done in the ReleaseNotes === Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh is now known as nickmoeck [12:36] skaet: release happened? [12:36] Riddell: yes [12:36] * nigelb hugs release team :) [12:37] The release party is kinda crazy, but I really want to say thank you to you guys for all the work you put in [12:37] Riddell, yes [12:37] just waiting for #IS to let it out... [12:39] * stgraber tries to publish announcement on edubuntu.org but humboldt is way too slow ... [12:53] darn, I missed the magic moment [12:53] skaet: congratulations! [12:53] skaet: yeah, well done! [12:56] skaet: you missed 11:04 UTC by 32 minutes :) [13:00] skaet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes still says "draft - work in progress" at the top [13:01] ogra: fixed [13:02] thx === skaet changed the topic of #ubuntu-release to: 11.04 is Released! | Oneiric Ocelot Release Coordination. Please don't upload things during freezes where you shouldn't, or be prepared to apologise to the release team with beer | we accept payment in cash, check or ocelot food | melior malum quod cognoscis [13:22] skaet: congratulations :) [13:24] Congratulations to everybody. This was pleasant to wake up to! [13:25] thanks highvoltage , congratulations to the entire team ! It wouldn't have happened without everyone's efforts, development, test, and release!!! [13:27] well, we were all led by an awesome release manager :) [13:34] doko_: I test built boost1.46 against gcc4.6 in your PPA and it built. I'd like to get that split and into Main (we'll drop 1.42) with updated boost-defaults before the first autosync. [13:34] (please let me know when I can upload it) [13:43] cjwatson, seems not all images on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/ have a manifest file ? [13:44] ogra_: manifest files are only for live-cd-type things [13:44] cjwatson, well, preinstalled should have them [13:46] ogra_: dunno, were they in the daily build? [13:47] yep [13:47] just checked [13:47] i dont find them *that* important, but was just pinged about them in -arm [13:47] ogra_: file a bug on ubuntu-cdimage - I'll try to remember to promote them to the release directories before oneiric builds start [13:48] will do === ev_ is now known as ev === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [14:10] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ is missing the Xubuntu Desktop images [14:10] The release notes on the wiki mention to use the '-d' switch to do-release-upgrade and update-manager in a few places, leftovers from the beta release notes. I know !itsawiki, but I feel a bit weird modifying it myself. [14:12] charlie-tca: they're there for me [14:12] Pici: feel free to delete -d [14:13] cjwatson: will do. [14:13] cjwatson: I only see alternate images there [14:13] They are at daily-live, but not in release === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [14:13] ScottK: you could already upload [14:14] charlie-tca: probably a mirroring issue [14:14] charlie-tca: it's there for me [14:15] Pici: I already did it [14:15] stgraber: Yeah, I saw you had the lock, thanks :) [14:16] charlie-tca: why is the xubuntu release page down more importantly ;) [14:17] Because we did not get the website updated yet [14:17] http://imagebin.org/150605 is what I get [14:18] Didn't know we would release as early as this [14:19] Got to go move a greenhouse this morning, too [14:19] charlie-tca: haha === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [14:26] skaet: congrats :) [14:26] thanks! [14:34] doko_: OK. Thanks. [14:52] restarted queuebot for oneiric [14:57] doko_: Are you going to drop 2.6 from supported python versions? [14:57] ScottK: no, not before UDS [14:57] OK. [15:34] doko_: How about dropping python3.1 from python3-defaults now? We've already done that transition in Debian. === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [15:38] skaet: Congrats. Well done. [15:41] iulian, thanks! === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:51] maco: rejected two of your three gally uploads to natty-proposed :) [15:51] they were all identical, I assume due to the LP bug that makes it looks like dput failed [15:52] cjwatson: Yes. She's aware of the bug now. I wonder if that might be worth a mail to u-d-a to make people more generally aware of it? [15:53] I guess [15:53] (though I don't know enough of the details myself) [15:53] thx pitti [15:53] wgrant: ^^^ Could you draft something? [15:55] With a bit of luck it will be fixed tomorrow. [15:56] But if not, sure. === kirkland` is now known as kirkland [16:12] cjwatson: yeah clearly i havent done enough uploads post-freeze to learn about that bug :P [16:23] maco: It only happens sometimes. [16:23] Once a week or so. [16:23] Until we fix it again. [16:24] well the answers.lp.net page i saw only referred to it having started recently [16:24] Right, about a month ago. [16:24] A bit less. === doko_ is now known as doko [17:03] doko: boost1.46 (for Main) and boost-mpi-source1.46 (for Universe) are in New. Once those are in the archive, boost-defaults can be synced. [17:05] ScottK: the first one already accepted, can't find the latter === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [17:05] doko: I just finished uploading it, so it probably didn't make it to the queue yet. [17:07] doko: Should be there now. [17:11] OK, so I think we're just waiting for libffi, and then my understanding is that doko will ask Launchpad admins to open the archive [17:11] I'll check in tomorrow at some point and see if that needs any help, and if it's open, I expect I'll start autosyncs tomorrow [17:11] cjwatson: I'll leave a message here [17:12] OK, thanks [17:12] heading out to the party nowish :) [17:18] hmm, g++-multilib uninstallable ... [18:55] smoser: Hey, I see http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/unpacked/ is not as full as the maverick one; is this still underway for natty? [18:56] lool, what were you wanting , specifically [18:56] I used to mirror stuff like: [18:56] +releases/lucid/release/unpacked/ubuntu-10.04-server-uec-amd64.img.tar.gz [18:56] +releases/lucid/release/unpacked/ubuntu-10.04-server-uec-amd64-vmlinuz-ec2 [18:56] And didn't find the natty equivalents [18:56] +releases/maverick/release/unpacked/ubuntu-10.10-server-uec-amd64.img.tar.gz [18:56] etc. [18:57] pitti, will you be around tomorrow ? [18:58] lool, those are gone. [18:58] smoser: Okay [18:58] you'll need to get it from ubuntu-10.04-server-uec-amd64.tar.gz [18:58] sorry. [18:58] i added the vmdk [18:58] and there were no users i knew of the .img.tar.gz [18:58] and they were only very moderately smaller than .tar.gz [18:59] note, i did just fix kernels being visable. [18:59] smoser: Do I remember correctly that it contains a fs image and that the tarball of it can't be rsynced properly? [18:59] bjf: sparsely, because I need to prepare my moving on Saturday, but my IRC proxy is patient :) [18:59] the .tar.gz file contains image, kernel, ramdisk.. basically image and some other small things. [18:59] it is definitely built with gzip --rsyncable [19:00] but note, that those don't really get that good of use out of --rsyncable [19:00] because the filesystem is fairly random [19:00] smoser: Exactly [19:00] so rsync doesn't do all that well iirc [19:00] pitti, will have natty packages to pocket copy, will send email when ready, was just setting expectations :-) [19:00] lool, did you have a solution to that? [19:00] bjf: I noticed them on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html [19:01] bjf: see my latest reply to the list; you can now also ask SpammapS to copy them [19:01] or are you saying that the .img.tar.gz was better? [19:01] pitti, saw that, might be a good test [19:01] bjf: but only when it's urgent, I didn't walk through the kernel process with him yet [19:01] smoser: Nope; I was mirroring the unpacked output to have more directly usable files, and be as close as possible to something that rsync could base on [19:01] pitti, not urgent, just will need doing [19:01] smoser: I'm not sure how good the .img.tar.gz was; I don't remember whether it was significantly better [19:01] smoser: But it at least removed one layer of tar + gz [19:03] smoser: Well, I'll mirror the tarball of the bits then, thanks [19:03] the one inside the archive .tar.gz is still at the front. [19:03] and always will be [19:03] it wouldn't surprise me if the first 180M of that .img.tar.gz was identical (or very similar) to .tar.gz [19:04] smoser: Would it make sense to drop the unpacked/ dir entirely for natty though? [19:04] I thought it was broken because it existed but seemed void of its usual contents [19:05] lool, i dont know. [19:05] it probably does, but i dont really want to do it post release. [19:05] as it has been in its current state for beta1+ at least [19:05] Ok [19:05] but yeah, the only thing there is the kernel now [19:08] smoser: Slightly unrelated question; I booted a maverick released image today to test a -proposed kernel, and used the AMI on http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/release/ and on boot it had an "old" 2.6.35-24 kernel, but it's neither the maverick release nor the -updates / -security kernel ABI [19:08] smoser: Is it rolled a bit after release and then not updated? [19:09] lool, http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/ [19:09] that gives you the date... [19:09] we are/I am supposed to be doing a better job than we are at updateing images, ideally in line with -updates kernels. [19:10] so that the latest would alway boot a new kernel. [19:10] smoser: Sorry, I meant to ask what's triggering these updates; is it supposed to be one time a bit after each release, or every month, or every kernel upload etc. [19:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/RefreshPolicy somewhat covers that. [19:10] ok [19:10] thanks! [19:10] ideally it should be done on kernel upload... [19:11] but i dont know that i'd want it to be all the way automated. [19:11] so far, it has been a manual process to take a daily build, test it, and mark it as "release" [19:11] but there are dailies, lool, and they're what you probably want. [19:13] For me dailies kind of imply that they saw less testing :-) [19:13] That's why I usually go to the release image [19:14] but yeah, I could have used the dailies there [19:14] Alright, thanks for all the details [19:31] doko: Second try on boost-mpi-source is in queue. === kklimonda1 is now known as kklimonda === kklimonda is now known as Guest52186 === Guest52186 is now known as kklimonda` === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [19:58] ScottK: can't find anything [19:59] Odd. I got the waiting for approval mail. [20:00] doko: I see it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= [20:02] ok, my mistake, wrong queue === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [21:31] ScottK: failed again [21:31] Shoot. [21:31] I'll look at it. [21:31] It needn't block anything though. [21:33] Once boost1.46 is in the archive for armel, you can sync boost-defaults. [21:33] ok [23:31] cjwatson, slangasek, doko: FYI, I uploaded cdbs (merged with Debian, and cleaned up) [23:31] good night!