[01:20] <jibel> cjwatson, I verified successfully the fix for Wubi, and smoke tested desktop images successfully as well. I notified IS, going to bed now.
[01:36] <GrueMaster> Probably too late, but I have the omap4 image of kubuntu-mobile running now.  Still needs some polish, but the image is now a complete SD image.  After oem-config runs, a system reboot is required for the plasma-mobile environment to start.
[02:57] <ScottK> GrueMaster: Thanks for testing.  Sounds acceptable to me for a tech preview image.
[02:57] <GrueMaster> I haven't tested the omap3 image, but it should have the same results.
[02:58] <GrueMaster> I'm closing up for the day.  Need dinner and my brain is drained from testing & wiki-wacking.
[07:12] <rbnswartz> if anyone from the release team up? if so could they give me an estimate on release time?
[07:13] <ckw> rbnswartz, asking is futile
[07:13] <ckw> They will release it when they release it
[07:15] <rbnswartz> ckw I can hope can't I? :)
[07:17] <rbnswartz> I have a free block of bandwidth now and was looking to see how soon release is.
[07:19] <jbicha> lol
[07:19] <ckw> I'm also waiting for the torrents *I want to break 1.5 TB upload this year, got to 1.1 last year) and I'm waiting too
[07:20] <ckw> s/*/(/
[07:21] <jbicha> I think it will still be a few hours, I don't think UK's even at work yet
[07:21] <rbnswartz> debian did a twitter feed of all the happenings when they released squeeze. Ubuntu should do the same
[07:31] <maco> Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[07:34] <rbnswartz> all I want to know is if it will be in the the next couple hours.
[07:35] <wgrant> Perhaps we need a bot that says "It will be out when it's out." every five seconds.
[07:36] <rbnswartz> I got up at 2AM hoping that it will be soon. If it won't be within the next couple horse my bandwidth window will close.
[07:36] <maco> depends when ISO testing & confirmation is finished
[07:36] <wgrant> Precisely.
[07:36]  * maco does not have a crystal ball
[07:37] <wgrant> Precisely.[B
[07:37] <wgrant> Grar.
[07:38]  * wgrant kicks screen.
[07:42] <rbnswartz> wgrant this is random but how do add those comments?
[07:42] <wgrant> rbnswartz: Which comments?
[07:42]  * wgrant wonders what you're talking about.
[07:43] <rbnswartz> that
[07:43]  * wgrant still isn't sure.
[07:43] <rbnswartz> the little text notes such as "wgrant still isn't sure"
[07:44] <nigelb> maco: I'm stealing that statement :)
[07:44] <maco> nigelb: you dont even get the reference because you dont even watch the show!
[07:44] <nigelb> maco: BBT?
[07:44] <maco> no
[07:44] <nigelb> Dr. Who?
[07:44] <maco> yes
[07:44] <nigelb> :)
[07:44] <nigelb> It has to be one of 'em :)
[07:44] <wgrant> rbnswartz: You ruin all the fun: "/me still isn't sure."
[07:45] <maco> nigelb: i need to watch some new shows to trip you up, huh?
[07:45] <nigelb> we should probably not spam this channel
[07:45] <nigelb> maco: haha ;)
[07:45]  * rbnswartz enlightened
[07:45]  * rbnswartz is enlightened
[07:50] <pitti> Good morning
[07:51] <pitti> superm1: I don't mind shortening the maturing period for #771560; just say there that you tested it? (since nobody else really can)
[07:52] <pitti> superm1: ah, you did
[08:54] <cjwatson> rbnswartz: it won't quite be in the next couple of hours from when you asked
[08:55] <rbnswartz> cjwatson thanks.
[09:00] <ogra_> cjwatson, headless will end up at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/releases/11.04/ , right (there is no download link in the release notes yet)
[09:00] <ogra_> ?
[09:01] <cjwatson> ogra_: lose the "ubuntu-headless" path element
[09:02] <ogra_> k
[09:02] <ogra_> same for netbook ?
[09:02] <cjwatson> yeah - as I indicated the other day
[09:02] <ogra_> right, just wanted to be sure before i edit :)
[09:03] <cjwatson> 12:36 <cjwatson> I think if I do that they may also end up in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/ rather than http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-{headless,netbook}/releases/natty/release/
[09:03] <cjwatson> (though yeah, 11.04 rather than natty in official docs)
[09:04] <cjwatson> Riddell,ScottK: will anyone be able to sign off on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest for kubuntu-mobile?  I gather from scrollback that omap3 is still untested but that omap4 is believed OK with caveats
[09:04] <ogra_> right, changed (if the wiki ever saves)
[09:04] <cjwatson> Riddell,ScottK: Kate wants manifest signoff before we publish images
[09:24] <Riddell> hmm, investigating -mobile
[09:32] <Riddell> skaet, cjwatson: good to go on kubuntu-mobile
[09:32] <Riddell> I've signed it off
[09:32] <skaet> arm as well as i386?
[09:33] <skaet> Riddell,  thanks for chasing it down.
[09:34] <Riddell> yes arm too
[09:35] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[09:36] <jibel> Riddell, kubuntu on powerpc is not affected by 756719 ?
[09:36] <jibel> bug 756719
[09:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 756719 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "PowerPC Natty Beta LiveCD Hangs Bad Mirror (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756719
[09:38] <Riddell> jibel: hmm, I thought they had been tested but I don't see anything on iso tracker
[09:38] <cjwatson> that does seem like it should affect both similarly, unless I'm missing something in the ubiquity KDE frontend
[09:39] <jibel> it affects alternate as well but you can workaround by setting the mirror manually
[09:40] <cjwatson> indeed
[09:41] <Riddell> only report I have is..
[09:41] <Riddell> 20:25 < Tm_T> Riddell: live boots, apps gets launched 20:26 < Tm_T> ...and because of apparently broken hardware (I/O errors from cdrom device) at some point I got plasma-desktop being rather unresponsive
[09:41] <Riddell> so I guess he didn't get as far as installing it
[09:41] <cjwatson> I'll withdraw it from the publication I'm doing until we get signoff
[09:42] <Riddell> yep
[09:56] <Fight2Win> is it out yet?
[10:28] <dingan> is it out yet ?
[10:29] <Riddell> dingan: #ubuntu-release-party
[10:34] <Riddell> what's the difference between https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes ?
[10:34] <Riddell> and which should I link to from kubuntu.org for a "here's what's in Ubuntu in general"?
[10:34] <skaet> Riddell,  ReleaseNotes please
[10:34] <skaet> its where the public links will go.
[10:34] <skaet> TechnicalOverview is for pre-release
[10:35] <skaet> ReleaseNotes is for release
[10:35] <skaet> ie. TO for natty,   RN for 11.04
[10:35] <skaet> :)
[10:51] <mdz> So, welcome :-)
[10:53] <Riddell> mdz: if you ask "is it out yet?" we'll just send you to #ubuntu-release-party :)
[10:53] <So> mdz, merci! ; )
[10:54] <mdz> Riddell, I can just watch over cjwatson's shoulder instead ;-)
[10:56] <cjwatson> should've done that half an hour ago ;-)
[11:42] <stgraber> good morning
[11:47] <mvo> hey stgraber
[11:52] <paranox> so i heard you guys had a secret milestone build of 11.10
[11:53] <cjwatson> paranox: we do not
[11:53] <cjwatson> the oneiric series hasn't been created yet; we'll start bootstrapping it later today
[11:53] <paranox> this IS #windows8-release, right?
[11:54] <paranox> "we'll" start bootstrapping it?
[11:54] <ckw> paranox, See #windows8-release-party
[11:54] <paranox> does that mean you are somehow associated with canonical?
[11:54] <ckw> Nope, not at all
[11:55] <ckw> I'll be good now, please don't kick
[11:55] <cjwatson> you weren't trolling
[11:55] <cjwatson> (possibly a ban was a bit excessive)
[12:06] <Riddell> skaet: will you ping me when release happens?
[12:06] <mvo> me too please
[12:07] <ckw> I think it's now. They just muted #ubuntu-release-party
[12:07] <cjwatson> ckw: don't do the "I think it's now" thing here, please.
[12:07] <nickmoeck> I think that was to stop the flood of people saying "I"
[12:07] <cjwatson> this is a business channel.
[12:08] <ckw> Ah. I misinterpretted the purpose of the mute then. Apologies.
[12:09] <ckw> I was setup with "the channel will be mutted and people will say "It's released" when it's ready", so I made a logical jump
[12:09] <stgraber> hey mvo! has been a while ;)
[12:09] <mvo> stgraber: yeah, easter++
[12:10] <ogra_> ++ ??
[12:10] <ogra_> extra eggs ?
[12:10] <ogra_> :)
[12:12] <skaet> Riddell will do
[12:14] <ogra_> take your time, #ubuntu-release-party doesnt even have 500 ppl yet :)
[12:15] <nigelb> ogra_: heh, yeah, lets wait for 1000 :)
[12:16] <ogra_> i think we never had 1000 yet
[12:16] <ogra_> iirc lucid was close though
[12:17] <nigelb> If @ubuntudev were to tweet "we will release when we have 1000 people in release party, we will replease", we'll get there in 5 secs
[12:17] <nigelb> Anyway, I should let you folks work :)
[12:25] <ogra> skaet, TI asked for a minor change in the release notes/announcement
[12:25] <skaet> ogra,  just made it.
[12:25] <skaet> to the announce
[12:25] <skaet> please change the release notes directly
[12:26] <ogra> will do
[12:29] <ogra> hmm, the "panda" and "beagle" reference isnt in the release notes wikipage
[12:31] <ogra> skaet,
[12:31] <ogra> Developer reference images are provided for select Texas Instruments (TI) ARM
[12:31] <ogra> platforms, specifically the "PandaBoard" and "BeagleBoard" developer systems.
[12:31] <ogra> thats what i changed on the release announcement wiki
[12:34] <ogra> same change done in the ReleaseNotes
[12:36] <Riddell> skaet: release happened?
[12:36] <nigelb> Riddell: yes
[12:36]  * nigelb hugs release team :)
[12:37] <ckw> The release party is kinda crazy, but I really want to say thank you to you guys for all the work you put in
[12:37] <skaet> Riddell,  yes
[12:37] <skaet> just waiting for #IS to let it out...
[12:39]  * stgraber tries to publish announcement on edubuntu.org but humboldt is way too slow ...
[12:53] <pitti> darn, I missed the magic moment
[12:53] <pitti> skaet: congratulations!
[12:53] <mvo> skaet: yeah, well done!
[12:56] <pitti> skaet: you missed 11:04 UTC by 32 minutes :)
[13:00] <ogra> skaet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes still says "draft - work in progress" at the top
[13:01] <cjwatson> ogra: fixed
[13:02] <ogra> thx
[13:22] <highvoltage> skaet: congratulations :)
[13:24] <charlie-tca> Congratulations to everybody. This was pleasant to wake up to!
[13:25] <skaet> thanks highvoltage ,  congratulations to the entire team !  It wouldn't have happened without everyone's efforts,  development, test, and release!!!
[13:27] <ogra_> well, we were all led by an awesome release manager :)
[13:34] <ScottK> doko_: I test built boost1.46 against gcc4.6 in your PPA and it built.  I'd like to get that split and into Main (we'll drop 1.42) with updated boost-defaults before the first autosync.
[13:34] <ScottK> (please let me know when I can upload it)
[13:43] <ogra_> cjwatson, seems not all images on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/ have a manifest file ?
[13:44] <cjwatson> ogra_: manifest files are only for live-cd-type things
[13:44] <ogra_> cjwatson, well, preinstalled should have them
[13:46] <cjwatson> ogra_: dunno, were they in the daily build?
[13:47] <ogra_> yep
[13:47] <ogra_> just checked
[13:47] <ogra_> i dont find them *that* important, but was just pinged about them in -arm
[13:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: file a bug on ubuntu-cdimage - I'll try to remember to promote them to the release directories before oneiric builds start
[13:48] <ogra_> will do
[14:10] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ is missing the Xubuntu Desktop images
[14:10] <Pici> The release notes on the wiki mention to use the '-d' switch to do-release-upgrade and update-manager in a few places, leftovers from the beta release notes.  I know !itsawiki, but I feel a bit weird modifying it myself.
[14:12] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: they're there for me
[14:12] <cjwatson> Pici: feel free to delete -d
[14:13] <Pici> cjwatson: will do.
[14:13] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: I only see alternate images there
[14:13] <charlie-tca> They are at daily-live, but not in release
[14:13] <doko_> ScottK: you could already upload
[14:14] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: probably a mirroring issue
[14:14] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: it's there for me
[14:15] <stgraber> Pici: I already did it
[14:15] <Pici> stgraber: Yeah, I saw you had the lock, thanks :)
[14:16] <davmor2> charlie-tca: why is the xubuntu release page down more importantly ;)
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Because we did not get the website updated yet
[14:17] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/150605 is what I get
[14:18] <charlie-tca> Didn't know we would release as early as this
[14:19] <charlie-tca> Got to go move a greenhouse this morning, too
[14:19] <davmor2> charlie-tca: haha
[14:26] <jdstrand> skaet: congrats :)
[14:26] <skaet> thanks!
[14:34] <ScottK> doko_: OK.  Thanks.
[14:52] <cjwatson> restarted queuebot for oneiric
[14:57] <ScottK> doko_: Are you going to drop 2.6 from supported python versions?
[14:57] <doko_> ScottK: no, not before UDS
[14:57] <ScottK> OK.
[15:34] <ScottK> doko_: How about dropping python3.1 from python3-defaults now?  We've already done that transition in Debian.
[15:38] <iulian> skaet: Congrats.  Well done.
[15:41] <skaet> iulian,  thanks!
[15:51] <cjwatson> maco: rejected two of your three gally uploads to natty-proposed :)
[15:51] <cjwatson> they were all identical, I assume due to the LP bug that makes it looks like dput failed
[15:52] <ScottK> cjwatson: Yes. She's aware of the bug now.  I wonder if that might be worth a mail to u-d-a to make people more generally aware of it?
[15:53] <cjwatson> I guess
[15:53] <cjwatson> (though I don't know enough of the details myself)
[15:53] <superm1> thx pitti
[15:53] <ScottK> wgrant: ^^^ Could you draft something?
[15:55] <wgrant> With a bit of luck it will be fixed tomorrow.
[15:56] <wgrant> But if not, sure.
[16:12] <maco> cjwatson: yeah clearly i havent done enough uploads post-freeze to learn about that bug :P
[16:23] <wgrant> maco: It only happens sometimes.
[16:23] <wgrant> Once a week or so.
[16:23] <wgrant> Until we fix it again.
[16:24] <maco> well the answers.lp.net page i saw only referred to it having started recently
[16:24] <wgrant> Right, about a month ago.
[16:24] <wgrant> A bit less.
[17:03] <ScottK> doko: boost1.46 (for Main) and boost-mpi-source1.46 (for Universe) are in New.  Once those are in the archive, boost-defaults can be synced.
[17:05] <doko> ScottK: the first one already accepted, can't find the latter
[17:05] <ScottK> doko: I just finished uploading it, so it probably didn't make it to the queue yet.
[17:07] <ScottK> doko: Should be there now.
[17:11] <cjwatson> OK, so I think we're just waiting for libffi, and then my understanding is that doko will ask Launchpad admins to open the archive
[17:11] <cjwatson> I'll check in tomorrow at some point and see if that needs any help, and if it's open, I expect I'll start autosyncs tomorrow
[17:11] <doko> cjwatson: I'll leave a message here
[17:12] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[17:12] <cjwatson> heading out to the party nowish :)
[17:18] <doko> hmm, g++-multilib uninstallable ...
[18:55] <lool> smoser: Hey, I see http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/unpacked/ is not as full as the maverick one; is this still underway for natty?
[18:56] <smoser> lool, what were you wanting , specifically
[18:56] <lool> I used to mirror stuff like:
[18:56] <lool> +releases/lucid/release/unpacked/ubuntu-10.04-server-uec-amd64.img.tar.gz
[18:56] <lool> +releases/lucid/release/unpacked/ubuntu-10.04-server-uec-amd64-vmlinuz-ec2
[18:56] <lool> And didn't find the natty equivalents
[18:56] <lool> +releases/maverick/release/unpacked/ubuntu-10.10-server-uec-amd64.img.tar.gz
[18:56] <lool> etc.
[18:57] <bjf> pitti, will you be around tomorrow ?
[18:58] <smoser> lool, those are gone.
[18:58] <lool> smoser: Okay
[18:58] <smoser> you'll need to get it from ubuntu-10.04-server-uec-amd64.tar.gz
[18:58] <smoser> sorry.
[18:58] <smoser> i added the vmdk
[18:58] <smoser> and there were no users i knew of the .img.tar.gz
[18:58] <smoser> and they were only very moderately smaller than .tar.gz
[18:59] <smoser> note, i did just fix kernels being visable.
[18:59] <lool> smoser: Do I remember correctly that it contains a fs image and that the tarball of it can't be rsynced properly?
[18:59] <pitti> bjf: sparsely, because I need to prepare my moving on Saturday, but my IRC proxy is patient :)
[18:59] <smoser> the .tar.gz file contains image, kernel, ramdisk.. basically image and some other small things.
[18:59] <smoser> it is definitely built with gzip --rsyncable
[19:00] <smoser> but note, that those don't really get that good of use out of --rsyncable
[19:00] <smoser> because the filesystem is fairly random
[19:00] <lool> smoser: Exactly
[19:00] <smoser> so rsync doesn't do all that well iirc
[19:00] <bjf> pitti, will have natty packages to pocket copy, will send email when ready, was just setting expectations :-)
[19:00] <smoser> lool, did you have a solution to that?
[19:00] <pitti> bjf: I noticed them on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[19:01] <pitti> bjf: see my latest reply to the list; you can now also ask SpammapS to copy them
[19:01] <smoser> or are you saying that the .img.tar.gz was better?
[19:01] <bjf> pitti, saw that, might be a good test
[19:01] <pitti> bjf: but only when it's urgent, I didn't walk through the kernel process with him yet
[19:01] <lool> smoser: Nope; I was mirroring the unpacked output to have more directly usable files, and be as close as possible to something that rsync could base on
[19:01] <bjf> pitti, not urgent, just will need doing
[19:01] <lool> smoser: I'm not sure how good the .img.tar.gz was; I don't remember whether it was significantly better
[19:01] <lool> smoser: But it at least removed one layer of tar + gz
[19:03] <lool> smoser: Well, I'll mirror the tarball of the bits then, thanks
[19:03] <smoser> the one inside the archive .tar.gz is still at the front.
[19:03] <smoser> and always will be
[19:03] <smoser> it wouldn't surprise me if the first 180M of that .img.tar.gz was identical (or very similar) to .tar.gz
[19:04] <lool> smoser: Would it make sense to drop the unpacked/ dir entirely for natty though?
[19:04] <lool> I thought it was broken because it existed but seemed void of its usual contents
[19:05] <smoser> lool, i dont know.
[19:05] <smoser> it probably does, but i dont really want to do it post release.
[19:05] <smoser> as it has been in its current state for beta1+ at least
[19:05] <lool> Ok
[19:05] <smoser> but yeah, the only thing there is the kernel now
[19:08] <lool> smoser: Slightly unrelated question; I booted a maverick released image today to test a -proposed kernel, and used the AMI on http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/release/ and on boot it had an "old" 2.6.35-24 kernel, but it's neither the maverick release nor the -updates / -security kernel ABI
[19:08] <lool> smoser: Is it rolled a bit after release and then not updated?
[19:09] <smoser> lool, http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/
[19:09] <smoser> that gives you the date...
[19:09] <smoser> we are/I am supposed to be doing a better job than we are at updateing images, ideally in line with -updates kernels.
[19:10] <smoser> so that the latest would alway boot a new kernel.
[19:10] <lool> smoser: Sorry, I meant to ask what's triggering these updates; is it supposed to be one time a bit after each release, or every month, or every kernel upload etc.
[19:10] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/RefreshPolicy somewhat covers that.
[19:10] <lool> ok
[19:10] <lool> thanks!
[19:10] <smoser> ideally it should be done on kernel upload...
[19:11] <smoser> but i dont know that i'd want it to be all the way automated.
[19:11] <smoser> so far, it has been a manual process to take a daily build, test it, and mark it as "release"
[19:11] <smoser> but there are dailies, lool, and they're what you probably want.
[19:13] <lool> For me dailies kind of imply that they saw less testing  :-)
[19:13] <lool> That's why I usually go to the release image
[19:14] <lool> but yeah, I could have used the dailies there
[19:14] <lool> Alright, thanks for all the details
[19:31] <ScottK> doko: Second try on boost-mpi-source is in queue.
[19:58] <doko> ScottK: can't find anything
[19:59] <ScottK> Odd.  I got the waiting for approval mail.
[20:00] <ScottK> doko: I see it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[20:02] <doko> ok, my mistake, wrong queue
[21:31] <doko> ScottK: failed again
[21:31] <ScottK> Shoot.
[21:31] <ScottK> I'll look at it.
[21:31] <ScottK> It needn't block anything though.
[21:33] <ScottK> Once boost1.46 is in the archive for armel, you can sync boost-defaults.
[21:33] <doko> ok
[23:31] <pitti> cjwatson, slangasek, doko: FYI, I uploaded cdbs (merged with Debian, and cleaned up)
[23:31] <pitti> good night!