[00:14] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: would your recomment going with natty-desktop-amd64.iso rather than natty-desktop-amd64+mac.iso ?
[00:14] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: and have you managed to boot from usb on your apple hardware... my understanding is that it is not possible
[00:16] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, right, the USB boot will not work, usb-creator will need some changes for that to become possible.
[00:17] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: not even with unetbootin
[00:17] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[00:18] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu unfortunately not, nor if you image a partition on the hard drive with the CD image.
[00:18] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: so which iso do you recommend i burn from?
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: based on your experience with your mbp6,2 ?
[00:20] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu I resync'd and reburn'd the 0427.1 and it appears to be working on the MBP6,2.
[00:20] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: ty ... i'll try that now
[00:21] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, right. But I don't imagine that much as changed since MBP6,2 regarding booting. Especially if you cannot boot from USB either.
[00:22] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: well if we know it works for you but not me - then we know it's a hardware change that happened betwee 6,2 and 8,2 ... right?
[00:23] <chadadavis> Try the newest 0427.1 again, and verify the md5sum and burn it slowly. If you like, you can also try the amd64 (non-mac) image. It would be interesting if that worked. I'm not clear on the details of the differences in the mac image.
[00:25] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu I would also try the alternate CD
[00:25] <chadadavis> for Mac, I mean.
[00:26] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: i'll have to wait till i get home for the other images.... the connection is dog slow... opendns
[00:26] <pace_t_zulu> content servers resolve to a west coast geographic location... but i'm east coast
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: is live mode available on the alternate cd?
[00:27] <chadadavis> OK, please let me know if you have any luck with the other images.
[00:27] <chadadavis> No, the alternate is the text-mode installer.
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: will definitely keep you posted
[00:27] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: that's what i thought... don't think i'm ready to commit to an install
[00:28] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: but i do at least want to help with the hardware testing at the very least
[00:28] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, but it will at least let us know if the MBP8,2 can boot the CD, which is important to figure out.
[00:28] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: exactly
[00:28] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: especially given the fact that there aren't many mbp8,2s out there yet... not as many as there will be
[00:29] <chadadavis> Very true.
[00:29] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: that's really my only motivation here... should have probably gotten involved a couple weeks ago
[00:30] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: rebooting now...
[00:30] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, well, if it's not booting, there will most likely need to be an update in the next few days or weeks, so your help will be appreciated.
[00:31] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: yea... but any will updates after the final iso ever make it into an iso?
[00:31] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: i know they could make it into an iso point release on an LTS...
[00:32] <pace_t_zulu> got splash... but i had that before...
[00:32] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu don't know about that. If the issue is with the ISO itself, that's another issue.
[00:32] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, at what point does the error occur then?
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: yea... what i'm talking about is a user who wants to take the live ISO for a spin... but this bug would make them SOL
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: same problem...
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: i get the splash screen
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: then i get 2 lines of a BusyBox message...
[00:33] <pace_t_zulu> then i get that same message
[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[00:34] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, with the live CD, you saw the accessibility icon (keyboard) at the bottom first?
[00:34] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: yes
[00:35] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: any suggestions for an alternative.... or method to dump a log containing the error message?
[00:36] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps booting with other options?
[00:37] <chadadavis> If you can to the boot menu, some of the options might make a difference, but I'd be guessing here. I'd try to disable acpi first, but otherwise I'm not sure.
[00:38] <pace_t_zulu> this looks like the issue in question: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1458341
[00:40] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: seems like booting with a usb drive connected in is a workaround....
[00:41] <chadadavis> Yes, I just saw that as well. Give it a try.
[00:42] <pace_t_zulu> it boots into unity
[00:43] <pace_t_zulu> but there are serious graphics issues... seems like it keeps switching between the integrated and discreet gpu (maybe) .... but something serious with unity
[00:43] <pace_t_zulu> but that original issue does have a workaround
[00:43] <chadadavis> That's great. It's a start.
[00:44] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: agreed
[00:44] <chadadavis> What do you mean about graphics switching? How can you tell if it's switching modes?
[00:45] <pace_t_zulu> well i'm assuming that on the basis the the screen goes blank then comes back every few seconds... obviously i need to look deeper into it - but that was pure speculation
[00:46] <pace_t_zulu> anyway... i'll be afk for a bit... but very available tonight
[00:48] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu try using the nomodeset option and see if that makes a difference (F6 on boot)
[00:50] <chadadavis> It's 2am here, I have to do more tests in the morning, but let me know how it goes. We should get a note in the release notes regarding MBP8,x series issues. Also have a look at the Ubuntu wiki in case there are tips there, though mostly for older machines.
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> well the lack of a wireless driver is a deal breaker on a laptop
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> ubuntu live disc does not work on macbook pro 8,2
[09:28] <jibel> primes2h, ping
[09:49] <primes2h> jibel: pong
[09:49] <primes2h> Hi jibel
[09:50] <jibel> Hey primes2h , how are things ?
[09:50] <primes2h> jibel: not too bad, thanks :-) you?
[09:50] <jibel> Fine, thanks.
[09:51] <jibel> There are tests for i386 and amd64 on the laptop tracker and was wondering if you'll add mac too ?
[09:55] <primes2h> jibel: sure we can, no problem at all. In that case we have to work out the download path I suppose, btw
[09:56] <jibel> primes2h, that's a detail :-)
[09:56] <primes2h> jibel: sure ;-)
[10:03] <primes2h> jibel: just a note, you mean adding new testcases or support  architecture for old mac?
[10:05] <jibel> primes2h, there's currently 2 products Ubuntu Desktop i386/amd64 and I mean adding Ubuntu Desktop amd64+mac
[10:06] <primes2h> jibel: ah, I get it. np, just add a new product to the tracker then.
[10:07] <primes2h> jibel: about testcase, there is already one mac specific (trackpad), more can be added if necessary.
[10:07] <primes2h> jibel: btw, I see that last patch has not landed in the tracker yet
[10:11] <jibel> primes2h, no not yet, I was busy with testing and didn't want to touch the tracker on the release week.
[10:11] <jibel> I'll request an update after the release.
[10:12] <primes2h> jibel: np, I was asking you this just because it fixes a very visible bug
[10:13] <primes2h> jibel: after the release will be fine
[10:13] <jibel> primes2h, I'm sorry, but the risk is too high to break something this week.
[10:14] <primes2h> jibel: I agree :-)
[10:23] <primes2h> jibel: btw, I was wrong, it wasn't the last patch (logo), I was talking about the patch before, it's already been merged but not applied, but I think you understood what I meant. ;-)
[10:23] <jibel> primes2h, sure, I understand that you mean I'm late ;-)
[10:30] <primes2h> jibel: no, I mean I'm sure you understood what patch I was talking about, I would never say that ;-)
[10:31] <jibel> j/k
[10:45] <ara> hey jibel, happy release day :)
[10:45] <ara> jibel, how is everything going?
[10:50] <jibel> Good morning ara, happy release day indeed :-)
[10:50] <jibel> everything's fine, what about you ?
[10:50] <ara> jibel, good thanks :)
[10:51] <ara> jibel, looking forward to UDS to see you guys again
[11:05] <jibel> ara, yeah, I can't wait to see you there.
[13:21] <cprofitt> Happy Release Day Everyone!!
[13:46] <skaet> Thank you very much to everyone who helped with the testing of Natty!
[13:59] <pedro_> anybody with a raid1 and a natty installation? we'd love to have some help verifying bug 761971
[13:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 761971 in mdadm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 2 other projects) "no notification that one of the disks has been disconnected in a raid 1 configurtion (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761971
[15:41] <primes2h1> jibel: btw, Italian Team greatly beats Texas in testing. ;-) Happy release day!
[15:45] <skaet> Thanks to chadadavis, charlie-tca, hggdh, Riddell, jamespage, jibel, njin, Lance, jdstrand, stgraber, patrickmw, muonata, pedro_, uComputer, GrueMaster, TheMuso, Claudinux, highvoltage, Alessio Grosso Sgarrillo, pgraner, bdmurray, fader_, ScottK, PatrickDK, Mocchi, cyphermox, xdatap1, ara, PaoloRotolo, NightSilente, wobblybob, alo21, gjditchfield, Letozaf_, homitsu, guillemhs, AstralJava, bennachie, Fly82, val, Irihapeti, Shnatsel, nobuto, JanRathm
[15:45] <skaet> ann, starslights, bcbc, freefly, totopalma, primes2h, pitti, ScottL, ptn107, SpamapS, smoser, bambi, apw, bluesscream, chrigu, Tm_T, asasoft, davmor2, pace_t_zulu, Roberto Sbragia, MarcoBuono, kidsodateless, txomon and cpatrick08 for testing the ISOs.  The images would not be able to go out today without your efforts!
[15:46] <stgraber> that's a pretty long list!
[15:46] <chadadavis> :-) And thanks to skaet too
[15:46] <stgraber> and thanks skaet for the great release management!
[15:46] <hggdh> and, hopefully, it will grow :-)
[15:46] <skaet> yeah!  the participation was great!!   Thank you so much!
[15:47] <pedro_> skaet, and thanks to you as well! great release!
[15:47] <fader_> skaet: Thank *you*!
[15:47] <cyphermox> skaet, thanks! \o/
[15:54] <jibel> Thanks you all \o/
[16:03] <patdk-wk> my iscsi tests last night failed :(
[16:03] <patdk-wk> cause my server refused to serve up iscsi targets :(
[16:03] <patdk-wk> it was very strange
[16:04] <patdk-wk> but that server at my house needs a reinstall very badly
[16:05] <patdk-wk> but then, last week I ordered a bunch of new hardware for my house, so should be nice, installing a fc san in my house
[16:05] <patdk-wk> so I'll have to build up a new iscsi server with that
[16:46] <pace_t_zulu> skaet: cheers
[16:46] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: ping
[16:47] <chadadavis> Hi pace_t_zulu. How did it go on the Mac yesterday?
[16:48] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: got the macbook pro 8,2 to boot from the live cd when i attached a usb stick
[16:48] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: and i managed to boot the macbook 4,1 directly from a usb stick - no optical disk
[16:48] <chadadavis> Could you file a bug report in launchpad for that.
[16:48] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: for what?
[16:48] <chadadavis> For the booting on 8,2 I mean.
[16:49] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: i added myself to the existing bug report
[16:49] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: here's the report i got on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/543875
[16:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 543875 in casper (Ubuntu) "unable to find a medium containing a live file system (affects: 11) (heat: 76)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:50] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: and you've seen this http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5756/1066
[16:51] <chadadavis> Great. Thanks.
[16:51] <chadadavis> Did you make progress on the video driver issue?
[16:51] <chadadavis> Did you try the current fglrx?
[16:51] <chadadavis> I assume you have the free radeon driver by default.
[16:51] <chadadavis> It is a Radeon card in your MBP8,2 right?
[17:00] <jibel> pace_t_zulu, you'd better file a new bug because your hardware is different from the reporter's hw and the same symptoms can have different root causes. Also, the devs will mark it as duplicate if it is.
[17:09] <astraljava> Yeah thanks skaet as well!
[17:20] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: yea, radeon
[17:21] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu did you try the fglrx driver, the new one works well with my HD 5650
[17:28] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: graphics don't seem to be an issue... that behavior i described yesterday has not recurred
[17:28] <pace_t_zulu> jibel: and cues as to what i should title the bug to get it notices?
[17:28] <pace_t_zulu> s/notices/noticed
[17:44] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: what procedure do you go through to test it (keep in mind i'm still working from live mode)
[17:44] <pace_t_zulu> i may take the time this weekend to partition my hdd to do a proper install
[17:45] <pace_t_zulu> because it seems like there is a lot of ways i can contribute - given the hardware i have access to
[17:46] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu: The live test description is quite simple, you mabe saw it linked from the test page. It's mostly booting and shutting down, also testing persistent storage mode with a USB stick.
[17:46] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, but given your complicated USB scenario, the persistent mode is probably less interesting than figuring the boot out.
[17:47] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: yea... but wouldn't persistence offer more tools for debugging the boot issue out... in terms of having a log
[17:47] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, installing next to Mac OS is quite safe (I'm doing it again as we speak). The most useful tests, I think, would be just using the hardware, camera, mic, wifi, power management, etc.
[17:49] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, you can probably get wifi access in the live session, if the same broadcom driver works on 8,2, then you can save any files over the network. Also if you have a second USB port, which I guess you do, you can also save files on a second USB stick.
[17:49] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: i have done an ubuntu install next to mac os x with my macbook 4,1 ... maverick install
[17:50] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: my understanding is that wifi is unsupported on these new macbook pros
[17:50] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, you can also go through the existing bug, search 'macbook' or 'macbookpro' and see which apply and which don't.
[17:52] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, updating the wiki with some of this might be nice as well. I was going to do that for 6,2, since there are few things that now work in Natty final that weren't working at the beginning.
[17:54] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: you going to be around today?
[17:55] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, yes, I will
[17:56] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: k... my touch base with you to on the bug filing... make sure i file it so that it gets noticed by the right folks
[17:57] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, that's an art I would also like to master better. PS there's also a bug tag 'macbookpro', might be useful to search what's already been reported.
[17:57] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: thanks for the heads up on the macbookpro bug tag
[17:57] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: i reckon we could work together to really improve support for apple hardware
[17:58] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: you on the "Mactel Support Community" on launchpad?
[17:59] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, no, I'm just testing at the moment. But I'm keeping an eye on it.
[18:00] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: you should go ahead and join... you'd be an asset
[18:00] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, sorry, I thought you mean the team, not the community.
[18:00] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: you maintain any of the community documentation for apple hardware on the wiki?
[18:00] <chadadavis> Yes, now I'm on the list. Not at the moment, but I'm planning to update the Natty on 6,2 page soon.
[18:01] <chadadavis> Collecting details and so on now.
[18:01] <pace_t_zulu> cool
[18:04] <primes2h1> Hello manjo.
[18:05] <manjo> primes2h1, NUQNEH!
[18:05] <manjo> :)
[18:07] <primes2h1> manjo: maj, tlhIngan maH! :-)
[18:07] <primes2h1> :p
[18:07] <manjo> heh
[18:07] <manjo> wassap ?
[18:08] <primes2h1> manjo: One day I would like to talk with you about this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelCompatibilityTesting
[18:09] <primes2h1> manjo: It would be really nice to use it for the Laptop Project.
[18:09] <primes2h1> manjo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop
[18:10] <manjo> primes2h1, yeah it was written with that intention .... almost a checkbox replacement .. something that is simpler and manageable
[18:11] <manjo> its just a bunch of shell scripts using dialog to draw the windows button etc .. you can almost replace dialog with xdialog and get pretty buttons etc if you want
[18:11] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: k... gonna file the "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[18:12] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: any suggestions as to what packages to identify... i assume casper
[18:12] <primes2h1> manjo: yes, it seems to be, next days I'll give it a try..
[18:12] <manjo> primes2h1, I will be glad to help ... just ping me if you find it useful
[18:12] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, maybe initramfs-tools
[18:12] <chadadavis> But I'm guessing.
[18:13] <primes2h1> manjo: sure I will.
[18:13] <primes2h1> manjo: thank you very much!
[18:14] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, I'm just searching LP for related issues, and that seems like a good bet. Also, I would do it via: 'ubuntu-bug initramfs-tools' so that the versions, etc get picked up and added to the report.
[18:14] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: is 'ubuntu-bug' a command line utility?
[18:15] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, it may belong to kernel, but hopefully someone will redirect it accordingly.
[18:15] <manjo> primes2h1, I think the right place to get it is from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/kteam-tools ... I think someone else maintains it now
[18:15] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, yes and it will query the version of eg initramfs-tools and add necessary info to the bug report, i.e. natty, which versions, etc.
[18:15] <manjo> primes2h1, you can compare both versions and see which is newer ...
[18:16] <primes2h1> manjo: ah, don't you mantain it anymore?
[18:16] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, ubuntu-bug will finally open a browser, where you can add comments and the 'macbookpro' tag to your bug report.
[18:17] <manjo> primes2h1, I wrote it and did a bunch of work... now it works and so it lives happily in the kteam-tools repo which is maintained by someone else other than me ...
[18:18] <manjo> primes2h1, but I will be willing to help if you need me
[18:18] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know how to mount a usb stick from the BusyBox environment?
[18:18] <primes2h1> manjo: Tha't nice, thanks a lot. :-)
[18:19] <manjo> primes2h1, I am heading out to grab some lunch ... ping me later next week in case you find it useful for your testing efforts
[18:19] <pace_t_zulu> done....
[18:20] <primes2h1> manjo: ok, have a good lunch. :-)
[18:21] <primes2h1> manjo: your pc say it manjo@hungry LOL
[18:27] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: so these are all the "macbookpro" tagged bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=macbookpro
[18:28] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, you'd have better coverage with text search for macbook, but it might be usefuly to add that tag to new bugs.
[18:29] <chadadavis> pace_t_zulu, also the mactel support project doesn't have any open bugs, though you can assign bugs to that project, as there are about 500 hits when you search for macbook.
[18:37] <pace_t_zulu> chadadavis: cool... thanks
[21:11]  * Patrickdk wonders if ietd just doesn't work with bonding