[00:10] [Dominic Watkins] Time Machine backup via NFS - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/04/27/time-machine-backup-via-nfs/ === _Tommeh is now known as Tommeh [02:00] hi [02:06] hm, that's fun. just updated my natty vm [02:06] I have a user called shaun, and a user called natty. gdm now shows two users called natty [02:07] well I just joined this channel [02:07] for what I think is my first time since 2010 some time :D [02:07] same kind of thing for #ubuntu except that one I might have joined earlier this year very briefly [02:07] well, howdy :) [02:08] altho I must warn that 2am isn't a good time to get a first impression of this place :) [02:08] shauno: I know [02:09] shauno: ,but I have been here before a few times in the past, so I know what this channel is like anyway [02:09] oh, cool. I can quit pretending we're normal then [02:53] shauno: why isn't 2am a good time? [02:53] ;) [02:53] we are always here :/ [02:54] or is that the reason? [03:04] well, may only do 4 hour days atm, but need *some* sleep [03:04] so nn all o/ === chris_ is now known as Guest84396 [05:22] think I've almost finished portal 2 === denny- is now known as denny === chris_ is now known as Guest83835 [06:44] happy release day everyone === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 5th May 21:00 BST #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | release party: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/889/detail/ Today \o/ [06:46] I'm in space! \o/ [06:47] AlanBell: wow, its release day today? [06:47] Release day today, RW tomorrow, Queen's Day (NL) on Saturday ;) [06:47] And lots of alcohol will be consumed 8-) [06:49] MartijnVdS: RW? [06:49] MartijnVdS: also dude! I'm in space \o/ [06:49] HazRPG: you're in the UK, you must know what's happening tomorrow [06:49] HazRPG: Space! SPACE! SPAAAACE! [06:49] oh, royal wedding :) [06:50] MartijnVdS: you what I'd tell her? I'm in space ;) [06:50] MartijnVdS: not sure if I'm excited for release day or not... [06:50] HazRPG: ♪ Now I only want you gone [06:50] previous beta/rc crashed on me countless times T_____T [06:51] MartijnVdS: xD [06:51] this is going to be the most unstable Ubuntu release ever [06:51] HazRPG: Portal2 is full of win :) [06:53] MartijnVdS: I don't know about that, I had issues with 9.10 at one point on release day [06:54] MartijnVdS: also portal2 = mega win is full of \o/ [07:00] MartijnVdS: watching ending again xD \o/ === emma is now known as em [08:02] song for the day http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/ [08:05] Perhaps should have a game to guess the official release time. My guess would be around lunch time or early afternoon [08:06] we had a sweepstake last year imo [08:06] Sweepstake. That was the word I was looking for [08:16] I'm shooting @ ~4PM :) [08:20] also, I always thought it was called a betting pool? [08:21] Just trying to set up a pad.ubuntu-uk sweepstake page for people to add their names to [08:21] awesome [08:21] hopefully it'll be done before I go to bed xD [08:24] if not, stick in me for around 4PM :) [08:27] Ok, its set up, just for fun, a little sweepstake to guess the time fo the Natty official release. No prizes other than the temporary admiration of the winners ability to read the mind of the release manager. Pick a time and add your name to the list. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/NattySweepstake [08:33] morning [08:33] is it out yet? ;) [08:34] oops - that bot's not in this channel [08:35] !isitoutyet-#ubuntu-release-party [08:35] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [08:35] Dam [08:35] Damm even [08:35] is it that day already? [08:35] it is [08:36] i need some sleep [08:44] HazRPG: I've put you in at 16:30 as danfish nicked your 4pm slot :) [08:45] Morning [08:46] HazRPG: oops - sorry - didn't scroll up. I defer :) [08:47] Heh [08:47] morning all [08:47] o/ [08:49] need breakfast! [08:50] need MOAR breakfast! [08:50] * DJones considers a Narwhal sandwich [08:51] Its a shame I'm an Atheist - Right now I want to thank god for Senseo :) [08:51] DJones: I've heard it tastes like tuna ;) [08:52] danfish: That sounds a bit fishy to me [08:52] I need a new icon for this, methinks: http://twitter.com/#!/isitoutyet [08:52] any suggestions? [08:53] DJones: stop carping on! [08:54] Isn't the release party the plaice for silly fish jokes? [08:54] I might have to Scampi over there and take a look [08:54] ^5 b1ackcr0w atheism! [08:56] Forgive the personal question Alan, are you sans theism also? [08:56] I am, hence the high five [08:56] b1ackcr0w: no, he believes in Cod [08:56] mmmmm fish [08:56] http://drool.popey.com/ [08:56] danfish: quick, very quick - nealrly lolled [08:57] :) [08:58] Ironically, I saw Guesthouse Paradiso yesterday. Hope that isn't prescient :) [09:00] * b1ackcr0w considering a nick change to Blackroe :) [09:01] heh [09:06] I've just learned that a Narwhal is a mammal, so the fish jokes aren't really appropriate. Oh well it was fun whale it lasted. [09:08] b1ackcr0w: I wouldn't worry, it still swims and eats fish, so its sort of appropriate [09:08] Morning peeps [09:09] pip pip [09:09] GM bigcalm [09:09] Tally ho and off we go [09:09] For those joininig the channel recently, there is a guess the release time sweepstake on http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/NattySweepstake [09:10] Can I get through the next 9 hours and do any work? [09:10] [Tony] OggCamp 11 more tickets available! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/04/27/oggcamp-11-more-tickets-available/ [09:11] I'm wondering if I should upgrade the eeepc or wipe and install from fresh [09:11] I've just looked up the word Oneiric because I didn't know what it means. Quite a good choice. === cking_ is now known as cking [09:12] Opinion is divided bigcalm. The official Ubuntu thought is that you should be fine upgrading from a previous version [09:13] I always do a clean install [09:13] often onto a new disk, since they're cheap [09:13] The folks over at Mint believe that a clean install removes unused logs and cruft etc that may slow your system over time. [09:13] bigcalm: I had a 1 week old install of 10.10 and then upgraded [09:14] bum, I was going to kick off an update last night [09:14] I can't ssh in because I'm not booted into Ubuntu [09:15] although I could swap the grub lines around to boot me into Ubuntu, I still don't have ssh configured in 11.04 beta [09:15] Personally, I keep 3 partitions on my desktop HD. One for /home, one for my stable installation which gets upgraded and one for which ever distro I fancy testing [09:15] that setup works well [09:16] I keep a stable distro on the netbook and use cloud to keep the working files up to date [09:25] http://popey.com/blog/2011/04/28/new-release/ [09:25] :) [09:25] Are we waiting for 11.04am? [09:26] haha [09:26] * bigcalm tickles popey for being sneaky [09:26] * popey looks at Daviey [09:26] bigcalm: Thats a good idea [09:26] GMT or BST? [09:27] * popey shakes fist at bigcalm [09:27] Gerrof my lawn [09:28] popey: have you got a talk ready for oggcamp? [09:28] nope [09:29] Has anyone? :) [09:29] is it out yet? [09:29] * popey cuddles Daviey [09:29] Daviey: It was out 6 months ago [09:30] daubers, that is old skool. [09:30] It's so last year [09:31] It makes me want tea [09:31] at time of release does everyone have to switch from #ubuntu+1 to #ubuntu en masse, like when wimbledon coverage continues on BBC2 so they can show the news? [09:31] I demand the finest boo^Wtea in all the land [09:32] oimon: I think they try to shuffle everyone off to #ubuntu-release-party to confuse them first [09:32] on facebook, 138,990 people like linux, and 138,047 people like android...getting close [09:32] Facebook: The barometer of everything. [09:33] oimon: I think they either get kicked from the channel or forwarded to #ubuntu fairly quickly & then +1 gets closed for a period [09:33] +1 us normally shut down for a while :) [09:33] I hate +1 getting closed, i really do. [09:33] lol...otherwise u get "when's ocelot alpha coming" [09:33] for 3 months [09:33] Daviey: Just join #ubuntu+2 instead [09:34] well ocelot will be available from this afternoon :) [09:34] i never knew it was closed, i just never look in there until 2 mo's before release date [09:34] * oimon does the ocelot dance [09:34] it will? didn't think repos opened for a while [09:34] i normally upgrade at uds [09:35] It seems doko is getting itchy feet waiting to upload the first cut of the new toolchain [09:37] :) [09:37] Good morning [09:38] * oimon reads about banshee moving to gtk3 and dropping support for gtk2 [09:40] Is anyone running 11.04 yet? I have no updated showing from my current install (from daily), so assuming I am running the same as the release [09:40] I am [09:40] you wouldn't have seen any updates for the last couple of days because they've frozen everything [09:41] what you have installed now should be the final released version [09:42] I'm running the beta, last updates I had were 30Mb last night [09:43] hmmm, that may have come from other ppas [09:43] the only update I've seen this week is an update to tzdata === serial is now known as Guest12596 [09:43] SuperMatt: Could have been, but was possibly 2 days of updates [09:43] SuperMatt: me too..only 1 update [09:44] essentially, if you have no updates today, you are running the full version of 10.04 [09:44] 11.04 [09:44] warts and all [09:44] !warty | oimon No longer supported :) [09:44] oimon No longer supported :): Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog) was the first release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 30, 2006. See !eol for more details. [09:44] are you guys waiting for 11.04 to be release? [09:46] no, the people in #ubuntu-release-party are :) [09:47] Hehe [09:47] ah :D sounds good :) [09:47] we're wating for 11.10 [09:47] :D [09:47] oimon: you could probably install the 11.10 alpha tomorrow ;) [09:56] Is support available in this channel [09:57] snoeman: yes [10:01] I have just been given a laptop on which I have installed ubuntu 10.10. The laptop has via chipset with an embedded unchrome pro graphics card. I am not sure whether I am using the openchrome driver. How do I tell which driiver I am using . Also is this the best driver available [10:03] snoeman: open system -> preferences -> monitor [10:04] ugh unichrome [10:04] you get something like if its not ubuntu drivers "Do you want to use your graphics driver vendor's tool instead?" [10:04] thats not the right place dogmatic69 [10:05] This tells me the resolution and frame rate but not the driver type [10:05] oh, sorry, my bad [10:05] dogmatic69: that only happens for nvidia AIUI [10:05] not unichrome [10:05] oh === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [10:05] snoeman: /var/log/Xorg.0.log [10:05] dont mind me then :D [10:06] hrm, is tomorrow the kind of holiday where shops or open or not? [10:06] I would guess open [10:06] Most of the people I know want to go to work to avoid the tv [10:07] avoid tv? [10:07] * TheOpenSourcerer has just got back from doctors, chemist and shops. My youngest son is rather poorly but seems to have perked up after being told to eat sweets, crisps and drink lemonade [10:07] gord: Is any channel not showing Harry Potter & Hermiones's wedding? [10:07] i don't know, i don't have my tv hooked up to broadcast :) [10:08] they were just good friends, he married the weasly girl didn't he? === gary is now known as Gary [10:08] i thought he was a eunuch [10:08] oimon: Thats my dog after yesterday [10:08] not that i've ever seen films/read the books [10:09] * popey wonders if TheOpenSourcerer is coming out to play this evening [10:10] popey: I am. [10:10] We have a meeting in town at 3pm :-) [10:10] [Alan Pope] New Release& - http://popey.com/blog/2011/04/28/new-release/ [10:10] popey: You should get that link added to the !isitout factoid in r-p just to wind people up [10:15] * TheOpenSourcerer is so underwhelmed by Natty that I can't even be bothered to do the customary remove mono blog post. Doubt I will be using 11.04 for a long time. [10:16] for me, it depends if features will be added between now and 11.10 [10:16] eh? features added? [10:16] what is the correct way to run a script from crontab? [10:16] thats not what a stable release is for [10:16] its in ~/ [10:16] gord: maybe via third party [10:17] dogmatic69: You need to make sure the script has a decent PATH set in it. [10:17] TheOpenSourcerer, you can't use the classic session - assuming your complaining about unity [10:17] TheOpenSourcerer: how you mean? [10:17] then just add a line by doing crontab -e [10:17] ? [10:17] if the community come up with some nifty additions and things to make unity work better for me, then i might try it [10:17] TheOpenSourcerer: i have this... */1 * * * * ./home/ubuntu/backup param [10:18] Apr 28 09:16:01 ip-10-48-58-180 CRON[18923]: (CRON) error (grandchild #18924 failed with exit status 1) [10:18] Apr 28 09:16:01 ip-10-48-58-180 CRON[18923]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output) [10:18] dogmatic69: What's the "." for before the / [10:18] dogmatic69: i see a dot in the front of your path that shouldn't be there [10:18] TheOpenSourcerer: I like natty & unity, its turned out to suit me quite well [10:18] oh [10:18] dogmatic69: you need the absolute path [10:18] when i run it in cli, i do ./backup in the folder [10:18] so figured that was the way... trying without [10:18] dogmatic69: But cron needs the full path. [10:18] ./backup is shorthand for /home/ubuntu/backup because you are in that folder already [10:19] i thought the . makes it run or something [10:19] And inside your backup script add a line something like export PATH="$PATH:/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin(if needed etc). [10:19] . meand pwd [10:19] no, it's a quick way of saying `pwd` [10:19] dot means pwd [10:20] oh [10:20] cool [10:20] there's a way to describe the path to a file using the top of the disk tree , which is / [10:20] so, just */1 * * * * /home/user/backup param ? [10:20] nothing goes higher than the top / [10:21] cron jobs don't really have an environment so it's not uncommon for cron scripts to fail because they can't find the app that a script line refers too. [10:21] Alternatively, use full paths for all commands [10:21] looks like its running now [10:21] now to make it not run while its running [10:22] For those joininig the channel recently, there is a guess the release time sweepstake on http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/NattySweepstake [10:22] gord My exposure (although limited) to Unity has left me totally cold. And I'm not even keen on the global menu idea TBH. [10:22] TheOpenSourcerer, so use the classic session? [10:23] I just fail to see what it delivers. I thought that even the gnome classic had the global menu? [10:23] linkedin have decided to start spamming me :( [10:23] it shouldn't - iirc we don't use appmenu in classic, its classic [10:23] TheOpenSourcerer: same as Gnome Vs KDE surely? A different way of doing window management/DE? [10:24] gord I will get round to trying that again when I have time. === kris_ is now known as Guest70642 [10:25] BigRedS: Yep. I have built beta2 of Kubuntu, Ubuntu and xubuntu. Preferred the initial look of xubuntu but it is limited. [10:25] I may well end up using debian at this rate [10:27] TheOpenSourcerer: why not just use classic? [10:27] when you direct something to a file, like command > file.ext is that append or replace? [10:27] replace [10:27] >> is append [10:27] :) [10:27] thanks [10:27] np [10:27] I "thought" that it still had the global menu thing. But if that is not the case then I may well do so :-) [10:28] oh [10:28] i see [10:28] yeah, it's pretty much the same as old school gnome [10:28] OK. [10:28] i think there was a bug at some point where it did have global menu thing [10:28] so you might have seen it then [10:28] Ahh, I was sure I read that somewhere. [10:28] it used to have the global menu, but that was just to test the global menu stack [10:29] I think for me the main thing is I don't really have the time to spend learning the new UI and larking about. Unity just looks like it was made for kids or my mum/dad. [10:30] you massive old _fart_ :) [10:30] unity is like marmite :) [10:30] tee hee [10:30] \o/ marmite hilight [10:30] *shudder* [10:30] thanks TheOpenSourcerer / oimon [10:30] oimon: Yeah - but I like Marmite [10:30] dogmatic69: NP [10:30] so do i, but not every day [10:30] lol [10:31] and only on toast [10:31] Nice as a hot drink too [10:31] ¬.¬ [10:31] * popey wonders if anyone is having a street party tomorrow [10:32] i guess natty is a necessary step to making unity better, but lots of people will be turned off [10:32] morgning [10:32] yes [10:32] it is [10:33] oh god why does the shop still have pringles on buy one get one free :( [10:33] gord: Where? I'm there! [10:33] NO MINE! >:( [10:34] pringles always cut my mouth at the sides when i try to eat 8 at a time [10:34] oimon: lol [10:34] oimon: never do what I did and try to eat 30 at a time [10:34] i'm really into niknaks at the moment, except i can't seem to find the scampi ones [10:34] ESPECIALLY not salt and vinegar [10:35] lol === knightwi1e is now known as Knightpad [10:35] hey guyz [10:35] i have a small question [10:36] Knightpad: Its not out yet [10:36] :) [10:36] i would like to know what command to use to move my *mp4 files out of a directory to another directory [10:36] mv goat_porn/*.mp4 /massive_collection_of_disney_films/ [10:36] but i dont think it works when i try mv *mp4 /home/DROPBOX /home/MOVIES [10:36] lol [10:36] thank you popey [10:37] are they all in subdirectories? [10:37] * DJones wondered why that set off a hilight [10:37] but you already gave me your entire collection of goatporn .. remember ? [10:37] the dropbox folder has all my downloaded podcasts, [10:37] i would like to "move out" the movie files to a different folders [10:37] foldeR [10:37] in subdirectories or directly in /home/dropbox? [10:38] why use the command line? [10:38] why not just open file manager, highlight them and drag them> [10:38] ? [10:38] cause i want to script it automatically [10:38] ah [10:38] my computers work for me as i sleep :) [10:38] the paths are : [10:38] /home/DROPBOX/Audio (this is where ALL the files are) [10:38] /home/DROPBOX/Video (this is where i want the mp4 and m4v files to go) [10:39] are they mp4 or MP4 files? [10:39] i.e. case sensitive? [10:39] i think the file ext is all in lower cases [10:39] Knightpad: try find /home/DROPBOX/Audio -name *.mp4 -ls and paste the results into pastebin [10:39] but there are m4v and mp4 files [10:40] Knightpad: do it in 2 steps [10:40] oimon: thanx ! [10:40] so its probably going to be : [10:40] msg nickserv identify Distinctly3 [10:40] mv /home/DROPBOX/Audio/*mp4 /home/DROPBOX/Video/ [10:40] gerbilschool: Time for a new password [10:40] ooooooops [10:41] gerbilschool: you might want to change that pw :) [10:41] I get it [10:41] schoolboy error [10:42] Knightpad: if there's no mp4 files in subdirectories, yes [10:42] so when is ubuntu 11.04 out inj the uk then ? [10:42] as a sysadmin, if i have disk space, i usually do a cp -r of files rather than mv [10:42] then i rm the source files after..just in case [10:43] oimon: yep , no subdirs [10:43] oimon: cp -a FTW! [10:44] handy tip for find command: using the -iname instead of -name will allow case insensitive search [10:45] oimon: yeah, it's very useful that - also, the -exec syntax is a little strange, but really useful, e.g. -exec file {} \; [10:45] dwatkins: yeah, ugh [10:45] that reminds me, while we're here, is there any advantage to piping to xargs rather than using -exec? [10:45] especially when doing an rm, i once aciidentally did a rm * due to cockup with rm -rf {} \; [10:46] BigRedS: I suspect using -exec might be best if you have special characters in the name, or names starting with '--' etc. [10:46] I think find uses the inode number instead of the name. [10:46] no it uses the filename :) [10:46] or at least it escapes the name properly, which might not get handled perfectly when piping the name to xargs [10:46] so you'd still have to do -exec rm -- \{} \; [10:47] but then you could just use -delete [10:47] (I think) [10:47] my employer insists on requiring ITIL and Prince2 for their vacancies. i wonder if they actually know what they are [10:47] yeah, that's what i was thinking, MartijnVdS - using the '--' option to imply no further options will be supplied [10:47] oimon: so does mine.. and I wonder the same [10:48] MartijnVdS: it makes me not want to go for the job [10:48] Sounds like a game. [10:48] oimon: It makes me want to go for another ;) [10:48] if i have training budget i'd rather get VMware or redhat cert than ITIL crap [10:49] http://pastebin.com/3PmNu50i [10:49] If they stop cutting that budget, yes [10:49] dwatkins: yeah, -exec always seems neater. I just can't see why people use | xargs... [10:49] should i put the commands ABOVE or BELOW the "done" [10:49] BigRedS: xargs can do more than one filename at a time [10:49] MartijnVdS: you work at a uni or govt? [10:49] BigRedS: spawning a new process for each file might take longer [10:50] oimon: no, ISP [10:50] oh! [10:50] Under-the-radar projects tend to work best here :| [10:50] i thought only public sector used the job template with ITIL prefilled [10:50] abyone ? [10:51] oimon: we're 100% owned by ex-government (KPN - the telco) though [10:51] oimon: that might be the source of the problem :) [10:51] my employer is doing a nokia :( [10:53] Mine is still in the "outsourcing is good" stage [10:53] mine is only just getting into that [10:53] outsourcing decisions first, soon to outsource support [10:54] apparently iptables is too hard to support (not like we don't have whole teams of linux dudes), so we should get juniper , cisco which have a good support network : i.e. 3rd party support contract = net result = degradation of support/service [10:54] i'm guessing this is the kind of company that has more managers than regular employees? ;) [10:55] it's an instution that has issued a burning platform statement , and rushed into a bad alliance with a consultant and MS, after years of excellent open source infrastructure [10:56] the burning platform only relates to a very small and easily fixed part of the IT setup [10:56] now we are all on fire :( [10:57] knightwise: your script looks overcomplicated [10:57] Knightpad: sorry ^^ [10:57] wrong name [10:58] does anybody know if the backlight problem in natty has been fixed yet? [10:59] Today is supposed to be the release date, and just wondered if it was worth trying to upgrade. [10:59] it's never particularly worth trying to upgrade on release day [10:59] scoundrel50a: what bug number? [10:59] but what is the backlight problem? Check the bug, that'll tell you [11:00] bug 759104 [11:00] Launchpad bug 759104 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[gm45] Upgrade to Natty wont load" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759104 [11:00] when you install, on boot, after the grub, the backlight gets turned off [11:00] it's not closed, so I'd suspect it's not fixed [11:01] that description is rubbish [11:01] it says nothing about backlights [11:01] if it's a separate bug then a new big needs filing [11:01] and, yeah, that bug doesn't actually say what does or doesn't happen [11:02] ohh, yeah, makes sense now. I was reading it wrong... [11:03] If you go down the page, it has more information about it, and Xorg files added [11:05] scoundrel50a: if you own the bug, i'd change the bug title if i were you [11:06] scoundrel50a: it isnt marked as fixed, so that probably means it isnt [11:06] if i was an Acer Aspir XXX user with no backlight i'd never find that bug [11:06] How do I that? Plus somebody added [gm45] and what should I put instead. Its the first bug I have added [11:07] the bot did that [11:07] leave that there [11:08] I just worked out how to get into change the descritop, what should I add? [11:08] descrition* [11:08] well, i wouldn't worry about that too much [11:08] it's on bryces radar [11:09] he's the right person to be looking at it [11:09] ok. thanks. [11:09] Target date for 12.04 should be 1st April, then the release manager could upload 700Mb iso's of Rick Astley between 00:00 and 12:00 [11:10] lol [11:13]