[22:23] <jbicha> maco: I signed your new key for you
[22:23] <maco> you hadnt signed my old one....
[22:23] <maco> thats a bit odd
[22:23] <jbicha> you want me to sign the old one?
[22:24] <maco> you kind of broke the trust model by signing my new one
[22:24] <maco> since you never verified my old one that i used to sign the blurb about the new one, for all you know it *could* be faked and someone hacked my blog or something
[22:25] <jbicha> but it was signed by your old one which is definitely you
[22:25] <maco> normally only signers-of-previous-keys will automatically sign newer keys
[22:25] <maco> *or* a very clever ruse!  you never did actually confirm my old key yourself, right?
[22:26] <maco> does where i'm going make sense?
[22:26] <jbicha> yes I believe I confirmed your old key first
[22:26] <maco> (ftr, no it is not someone pretending to be me and making up fake stuff to break the trust model; i really am key transitioning, but still the priniciple...)
[22:28] <jbicha> I'm not that paranoid, the old key was around for quite a while with quite a few signatures
[22:30] <jbicha> anyway, I made a new key too since Debian is picky
[22:31] <jbicha> I only had like 2 signatures on my old one so it wasn't a big deal for me
[22:35] <maco> jbicha: can you test something?
[22:35] <maco> well wait...are you on natty?
[22:35] <jbicha> yes and yes
[22:35] <maco> log out and see if you can find a way to get into the options menu and select classic ubuntu from *just* the keyboard
[22:35] <jbicha> next week I might be on O because I'm crazy that way
[22:35] <maco> and then tell me what key sequence did it
[22:36] <jbicha> but just one of my computers; the rest will stay on Natty for a while
[22:36] <maco> the toolchain won't even be ready in a weeek
[22:37] <jbicha> uploads already started which surprised me: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric
[22:38] <jbicha> maco: I can't figure out how to access the bottom panel from the keyboard in the GDM login
[23:07] <jbicha> I have switched to konsole because gnome-terminal wouldn't work right with this 1 script