[02:01] http://www.betanews.com/article/Apples-server-biz-relegated-to-prosumer-status-with-Xserves-end/1296513722 [12:30] <_stink_> fun! water in the basement. [12:49] _stink_: ugh :( [12:49] _stink_: sump not playing nice? [12:51] another flooded basement? [12:55] seems to be par for the rainy couse [12:55] we better get some good may flowers out of this [12:56] my wife was pissed. she came home last night and the hostas had been eaten been rabbits [13:00] <_stink_> rick_h__: we actually don't have a sump. afaik most of the houses around here don't, or have had them filled in. not sure why [13:00] _stink_: ah, ok. [13:01] <_stink_> but it looks like the pipe out to the city sewer is partially blocked. [13:01] <_stink_> so the rain water couldn't join up and drain out. [13:01] <_stink_> so through the walls it came. [13:08] lovely [13:09] <_stink_> and of course, we can't use the water till the line is snaked or whatever. [13:09] stick ur arm down in there [13:10] ah the joys of home ownership [13:10] you know growing up my uncle told me to never buy a house [13:10] and I just laughed [13:10] but after owning one...hmmm...not sure if I agree more [13:11] yeah, pita [13:16] <_stink_> yeah, we were just commisserating about that here. [13:19] if i weren't married i would live in a tiny apartment [13:19] no lawn to mow, no appliances to fix myself, just me and my computer [13:20] and would get bored out of my mind after a week [13:20] only thing is I'd miss the dog [13:20] but yea, I remember my days of my two bedroom appt with my bedroom/office [13:28] i'm so tired of our dogs [13:28] Yay, four inches of water under the house. [13:28] snap-l: yikes! [13:29] well, under the house is ok right? [13:29] as long as it's not in the house [13:29] rick_h__: Yeah, I think this is par for this house [13:29] BUt this morning I heard running water under the house [13:29] so I went outside to dig it a little away from the grate where it was coming in like gangbusters. [13:30] Apparently Royal Oak has a problem with this. :) [13:31] Maybe because we don't have drainage ditches [13:49] how do you have water under a house? [13:49] is it on stilts? [13:50] brousch: wtf would I write an IE extension? shame on you! [13:50] jrwren: hah! come on, we're relying on you [13:50] doesn't IE have extensions now? [13:52] yes [13:52] but i ain't writing one. [13:53] boooo, non-team player [13:54] does this work pay? [13:55] no, it's OSS [13:55] it's "for fun" [13:55] brousch: There's a crawl space under the house [13:55] i can't think of anything fun about writing an IE extension [13:55] so it's not a proper basement [13:56] jrwren: and that's why I told my wife there will never be a bookie extension for IE [13:57] what would an extension do that a bookmarklet wouldn't do? [13:57] I always hated delicious extension and much prefered the bookmarklet [13:58] let's you edit, add tags, provides auto completion of tags as you type, tag hints, etc [13:58] retrieves existing data if you've already bookmarked the current page [13:58] bookmarklet does all that for me. [13:59] a bookie browser toolbar! [14:00] ah crap [14:02] The Natty is released [14:02] ie users can keep it right between their google toolbar and yahoo toolbar [14:03] rick_h__: I'd like to learn more Android dev stuff. Interested in a Bookie app? [14:04] snap-l: i guess that explains why my dist-upgrade fell to modem speed [14:04] a-yep [14:05] The intertubes are plugged in Canonicalville [14:05] ColonelPanic001: completely if you'd like [14:06] I'd be more than happy to help with any API stuff you might need/etc [14:06] it's more interesting than "hello world" style book examples [14:06] Yea, I always like learning with something more interesting [14:06] and since bookie pulls/parses pages you can actually display the bookmark content as well [14:06] ColonelPanic001: you thinking native android or something less java? [14:06] we can add some api access for that and searches [14:06] native [14:06] You mean there's more to programming than Hello World? [14:06] Shit, I have a lot of catching up to do [14:07] snap-l: only for those that are insane === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [14:07] for work, I do mobile dev with RhoMobile. [14:08] "Rhodes is an open source Ruby-based framework to rapidly build native apps for all major smartphone operating systems" [14:08] ewwwwwwwwwww [14:09] it's like stripped-down Rails (as far as this non-rails guy can see) that runs on a phone. [14:09] brousch: Would you rather write Java? [14:09] appcelerator uses javascript [14:09] Blazeix: doh, there was that X crash again [14:10] phonegap too [14:10] yeah, phonegap was another one they considered [14:10] they did this and decided before I was hired in, though, so don't know what they were weighing as pros and cons [14:13] did 11.04 release yet? i kinda lost track of the actual release date [14:13] Just in time for !penguicon, it's !openmetalcast Club Metal Episode 2. http://ur1.ca/41fl5 Jack into the mainframe and get this episode! [14:13] yeah [14:13] jjesse: It's released. [14:13] I just got the notification in my update thinger [14:13] nice [14:13] I'll probably backup adn do it on Monday. [14:13] same on the desktop at home. It's a couple releases behind now, I think. [14:13] seemed to not have the same excitement at home [14:14] sorry [14:14] seemed not to have the same excitment as last release (saw more announcements) [14:14] Yeah, I'm still on LTS at home [14:14] jjesse: I think it was more heads-down this release [14:14] lot of moving parts [14:14] And frankly, not as much excitement over Unity [14:15] (or I should say positive excitement) [14:15] I'm seeing a lot of loud defections to other OSes this release [14:15] interseting [14:15] s/OSes/distros/ [14:16] so whats the hot distro right now? [14:16] nfc [14:16] Think once Unity gets more mature Ubuntu will get the faithful back [14:16] Haven't used Gnome shell in a while [14:17] Problem is, no matter which distro you go to, you'll have to think [14:18] and that's one thing we've grown stale about. The environment just works [14:22] I'm on Kubuntu anyway. Don't care what the main distro does with Unity. [14:24] yeah, you're used to an annoying ui and breakages every few months [14:24] never really broke for me. Maybe the gnome users aren't used to being able to change a setting. [14:24] I guess it can be annoying, having choices. [14:25] distracting [14:25] I bet if you call up apple, you could get a one-button mouse, too [14:26] no button mouse [14:26] trackpad and taps [14:26] but then there's both the x and y axis. That's too much choice. === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD [14:37] g'morning all [14:37] 'morning [14:38] Good morning, greg-g [14:49] none of my usual group is going to Penguicon but me. [14:49] Aw well. Free beer and cosplaying girls is all I need. [14:50] just make sure they're really girls [14:51] If I check, might find out otherwise. Ignorance is bliss. [14:51] and as long as they're attractive, they're attractive, right? [14:52] ^ [15:16] oo, updates for 10.10 today as well [15:16] don't worry, I'm not hitting that "Upgrade to 11.04" button quite yet ;) [15:17] doit [15:20] Be brave [15:21] throw caution into the wind, and upgrade without backups [15:31] rick_h__: that sucks. fyi https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=117668 [15:34] rich_h__: how was chc, didn't get the approval from Em, something about penguicon time suck etc... [15:40] is flickr down? [15:41] snap-l: broken for me [15:42] bah [15:45] I haven't used flickr in ages. I stopped taking pictures, I guess. [15:45] and yeah, spinning its wheels for me, too [15:51] it is working for me, I'm logged in, if that matters [15:51] I take that back, it worked to pull up my photostream, but not an individual photo page [15:52] http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/ vs http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/5587639244/in/photostream [15:56] i'm kind of excited about the demo tonight. it's nice to have brand new features to show [15:56] instead of a list of new versions of the same old programs [16:10] http://clusterbleep.net/files/Ubuntu_11.04_Unity_Cheat_Sheet.odt [16:10] i added in screen shots and labels of UI elements from another askubuntu thread [16:10] very useful now [16:12] Blazeix: cool, thanks for the link [16:12] krondor: went went, had a good crowd and got some bookie hacking done [16:12] http://rick.bmark.us/ updated the ui on my demo install with some better colors/icons [16:12] greg-g: ^ [16:13] looks nice [16:15] purdy [16:23] got my psn account compromise notice from sony today. Fun times... [16:24] Yay for meetings [16:26] Also, my trash bags blew into the neighbors yard. [16:30] krondor: yay, get all those passwords and CC numbers changed [16:31] CC already is expired :) and password was unique for it.. what sucks though is the security questions and other bio info (address/name/what not). Easy to reset passwords on other sites/open lines of credit/find out SS numbers when you know security questions + email address and such. [16:32] yea, the security questions are a huge deal [16:32] yeah, that crap sucks :( [16:32] almost wish the db came out so people would reset accounts based on the leaked emails like the gawker case [16:32] obviously that's bad so not all the way hoping, but ugh [16:33] suddenly I'm glad I've never used PSN [16:33] I'd say it's preferable full disclosure and leak of what is out then never seeing it... block out the passwords on the leak (but they'd never do that). I do like seeing the stats on most used password and such [16:34] passwords were stolen? not just hashes? [16:34] I *heard* they weren't even hashed. [16:34] heard, though. [16:35] ColonelPanic001: Worse, it was also sent to the terminal unhashed [16:35] (from what I've heard) [16:35] geez [16:36] the email reads like unhashed; http://pastebin.com/Xx4hCGD3 [16:37] Yeah, this is a major clusterfuck [16:37] I'd say something about stupid programmers, but they probably are as pissed as everyone else. Probably some retarded middle manager dictated it. [16:37] Also heard that developers had access to production systems, and vice versa [16:37] frak knows why [16:37] Major cock-up [16:38] Qriocity? is that read as curio city or curiosity? [16:38] "major cock-up" should mean a good thing. When my cock is majorly up, it's not a bad thing. [16:38] well, not for me anyway [16:39] depends on where you are when it happens [16:39] touche [16:40] eg: Penguicon? [16:40] depends on what area of Penguicon. ;) [16:40] depends on where you are when it happens [16:40] lol [16:41] see my earlier post about penguicon, for example ;) [16:41] <_stink_> or if you're dressed like Tronguy [16:41] or if that. [16:41] "Think about Cmdr. Adama... Think about Cmdr. Adama... OH GOD IT'S WORSE NOW" [16:42] Just set up my e-mail so it'll work with Mutt [16:42] couldn't sent e-mail from Mutt [16:42] OK, now that meeting is done, time to retrieve my trash bags. [16:44] snap-l: weee! mutt! [16:58] ... [17:06] Yay, got some games in the mail in trade for Civilization [17:06] Knightmare Chess 1/2, and The Stars Are Right [17:06] * snap-l is feeling the love [17:46] yo, when does reg desk at Penguicon open up at this weekend? [17:52] NFC [17:53] WTF, GaFC [17:53] :D [17:54] nfw [17:55] haha [18:10] ruh roh, I think my full harddisk caused some problems with my maildir [18:12] oops [18:12] oh, that sucks [18:12] if I could figure out attachments I'd love to just run mutt on the server like I do irssi [18:12] * greg-g nods [18:12] same [18:12] but that extra layer of getting attachments down to view is a pita [18:13] weird, offlineimap runs fine, no errors, but mutt isn't starting up [18:13] and ctrl-c isn't stopping it [18:13] harumph! [18:14] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/301/ [18:15] I think I messed up when I restarted my laptop, started up my usual 4/5 mutt instances, and the disk was already full at that time [18:16] ruh roh! my ls in .mutt/ is hanging [18:17] and I was planning on being uber productive this afternoon! :( [18:18] Means something likely has it locked [18:18] reboot? [18:18] hmmm, but it's an offlineimap sync right? [18:19] I mean you can blow that away and not really lose anything right? [18:19] rick_h__: well, now I'm thinking offlineimap wasn't the issue, but instead mutt [18:19] hmmm, interesting [18:21] snap-l: that is my next attempt.... [18:21] Yeah, sounds like something isn't releasing a lock or something [18:22] or the filesystem got mounted read-only, possibly? [18:22] if you've got several mutt running maybe some command went haywire? [18:22] notmuch search or something? [18:27] reboot worked [18:27] sad I had to [18:28] interesting [18:28] rsync email /dev/sdb1 [18:30] Working out the playlist for Open Metalcast 20 that I'm going to be putting together at Penguicon [18:30] Should be brutal [18:30] Funny thing is I'm listening to the playlist before putting it into the show [18:31] usually I do that after the show is put together. ;) [18:32] heh [18:36] rick_h__: what about a dropbox-like program for syncing attachments from mutt? save attachment to dir, that dir syncs to your local machine [18:37] brousch: still a couple more steps then just pressing to open the file :/ [18:38] i suppose [18:39] but then you're running a console-based mail client, so you must enjoy pushing keys [18:39] :P [18:40] brousch: what I have thought of is to write a script with a config to a public http accessible dir [18:40] and then generating a link to it that you could paste into a browser/click on [18:41] but the big thing then is dealing with the fact that it's open and needs periodic cleanup [18:41] rick_h__: cronjob that deletes files every 20 minutes? [18:41] and I don't know how to write scripts for mutt [18:41] greg-g: yea [18:41] i think dropbox would work better [18:41] meh, how so? [18:41] then it's private and easy to clean out [18:41] you'd have to copy it off site, and then download it [18:41] rick_h__: they're just your run of the mill bash/whatever script that takes piped input and parses it, does something, returns [18:41] double transfer [18:42] brousch: and then you've got the reverse problem still, how do I add an attachment [18:42] you want to run mutt on a server through screen right? [18:42] brousch: right [18:42] add attchment, just stick it in the synced folder [18:43] then attach on the server [18:43] ic [18:43] maybe [18:43] use a free 2GB acct and share it with your paid acct [18:43] actually, the dropbox method might not be a bad idea.... I have dropbox running my server... and that's where all my working documents live anyways..... at least for attaching, it isn't any different. For opening, it is an extra couple steps [18:44] save it, twiddle thumbs, double-click it [18:44] yea, I guess I've not setup on my server (actually not reset up on my laptop yet either) [18:44] heck, that's how i view half of my attachments now [18:44] yea, gotcha [18:51] my god. autodesk inventor 2010 is 6 DVDs to install, and then there are 7 service packs totaling about 250MB for x86 and 500MB for amd64 [18:56] rick_h__: though, a combo Dropbox/U1 and your script would be awesome. script takes the attachement, saves it to your attachment_tmp dir, asks Dropbox/U1 for the priate URL of that file, displays it in that buffer area for you (before you "hit any key to continue") [18:57] that way, you can either go to the URL or just navigate to the folder in your laptop's Dropbox/U1 folder [18:58] Pandora broke Pithos yesterday, fixed today, FTW [19:02] binbrain: nice! [19:02] greg-g: yea [19:02] that would be cool [19:02] hah, bring your kids to work day has turned into a type-off [19:02] * greg-g adds it to his someday list [19:03] lol [19:03] 12 words a second for one kid, 22 for another, and I had to bust out the 91 [19:03] I saw some facilties guys downstairs this morning with their daughters in tow, it was awesome [19:03] wooo! I can crush 12yr olds! [19:03] rick_h__: you jerk [19:03] now that my self estime is lifted for the day, maybe I'll try to get some work done [19:03] :) [19:03] now they need a vim mode for that lol [19:04] heh, Jennifer Marsman just texted me asking if I was going to penguicon. [19:04] man, I should be doing that "kids...this is vim..." [19:04] get the pollution going [19:04] who are these kids? [19:04] more python tiling wm candy for rick_h__ http://pytyle.com/wiki/Main_Page [19:05] rick_h__: now try to best them at sms [19:05] jrwren: co-workers kids [19:06] hah, everyone wants some tiling [19:12] YATM taken yet? (yet another tiling manager) [19:34] rick_h__: did you end up getting CM7 on it... [19:34] krondor: yea, I've had CM7, but GPS issues still [19:35] some known problems with people that have been through some upgrades [19:35] did some dd hacks that didn't work, next up is flashing the radio, but have to get the android dev tools to do that [19:36] yeah I was going to say I'd go to a radio flash, radio is closely tied to GPS as they're the same chip [19:37] i had issues when i was overclocking. i went back to stock speed and a few issues stopped [19:37] yea, just getting nervous that everything I'm told to try has "this can brick your phone" tied to it [19:37] yea, no overclocking, jst stock CM7 [19:38] rick_h__: hmm see this; http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/20259-no-gps-lock-using-cm70-stable-rom-on-htc-incredible/ looks like people have a range of success from new radios to uninstalling weatherbug (wtf?) to formatting their sd card (double wtf?) [19:38] my big problem was camera flash and shutter out of sync [19:38] krondor: yea, so no weatherbug [19:38] and the sd card thing is that there's some metadata on the card that needs to be reset that this dd command is supposed to clear [19:38] i run weatherbug, but it is a slow hog if you run it in the background instead of on demand [19:38] and new radio is last on the list for me [19:39] you'll have to let me know what it turns out being [19:39] well if it's not the radio not sure what to do next [19:39] getting time for a new phone... :) [19:40] bah, i'm stilling using original android [19:40] brousch [19:40] g1? [19:41] sorry, original droid [19:42] sorry finger slipped hit enter by mistake. Oh yeah my droid 1 died (digitizer fail), 3 dollars for the chip with some serious solder skills for surface mount or 80 dollars to replace at a cell repair shop on 9 mile. I gave it to my bro in law and bought a captivate on craigslist. [19:42] droid 1 was great though. No locked nand, super overclockable, great loudspeaker and gps. [19:43] the fact that you would even consider replacing a single chip yourself tells me you must be a truly great geek [19:45] or I'm dumb and a glutton for punishment.. I did run Gentoo until recently, for what it's worth. [19:50] I sit in quiet adminration [19:51] admiration, even [20:13] man, I love pyramid, so much nicer than pylons [20:15] I think its arguably the cleanest best designed web framework in Python space [20:15] getting to do the first stab at a pyramid app at work [20:16] are you bumping heads with ZTK much? [20:16] things just fall into place nicely, [20:16] nope, not at all [20:16] still sticking with routes/alchemy [20:16] I think that's the way to go [20:16] but working on trying to build some modular apps, so going to be having some fun with things [20:16] want to be able to start with a base and add apps onto it with little code/config [20:16] unless you want ZODB, I'd say stick with routes [20:17] yea, we're used to that [20:18] I really like the way Pyramid uses events [20:18] its taken from Zope, but cleaner to understand [20:35] wow do I hate the font on the new status.net site (not sure how new or when it was changed, looks totally different though...) [20:36] as far as I can tell c e a o are the same letter [20:43] hmm, nevermind it seems like it's an issue with my font rendering in FF4 in windows. looks fine in linux on ff4 and in windows in chrome [20:56] Neat. [21:08] anyone know whot he tech lead for penguicon is again? [21:10] Krunal [21:10] krondor: they scheduled an XBMC talk the same time as the ubuntu one [21:10] My Xbox still runs XBMC [21:11] ok [21:11] and I certainly won't be attending "Unity: Dividing Us All" [21:12] on Sunday too, wth. [21:12] Yeah, I didn't understand the point of that talk [21:15] ok so I have a record of me accepting XBMC and 11.04 panels [21:15] and he asked about lightning talks and I said "sure", but that's on saturday so that works out [21:17] I think I would have remembered "Do you want to get railed on by UNIX people?" [21:17] hah man, I bet it was rick [21:17] he probably got a bunch of tiling window manager guys together to set me up [21:17] Heh [21:17] * jcastro eyes rick_h__ evily .... [21:17] I think he didn't realize that the 11.04 panel was what you thought you were agreeig to [21:18] Since that's only got my name attached to it [21:19] jcastro: whoa, what a crappy session title name :( [21:20] It's to stir up shit [21:21] Unity / Divide. Counterparts [21:21] well, the only mails I see are from you asking me [21:21] and I was like "ok, deal" [21:21] and krondor asked me to sit in for XBMC [21:21] the other one no one lmk about so I am in the clear [21:21] I guess we need to flip for jcastro [21:21] other than now I _have_ to show up because people will be making stuff up [21:21] snap-l: I'll go to the panel one [21:22] XBMC is neat but doesn't feed me [21:22] I was still willing to flip for it. ;) [21:23] nah it's cool, you arranged the party and the bug day and stuff, I'd have to be a real jerk to bail on you [21:23] ? [21:23] bug day? [21:24] the thing in AA [21:24] That was greg-g [21:24] And the party is only us trying to meet at the bar. :) [21:25] The real planning comes tomorrow if they kick us out. ;) [21:44] jcastro: lol I saw you on that schedule for unity dividing us all and was thinking hmmmm