[00:21] So does anyone actually trust apple? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110427/10582914057/apple-takes-credit-uncovering-its-patented-location-bug-that-isnt-really-tracking-you-which-itll-fix.shtml [00:21] >.> [00:22] No. [00:22] It's awesome, they found a 'bug', but it wasn't tracking your location. Just the location of all wifi and cell towers since forever. :P [00:23] Yup. [00:24] Ahh, I see. I feel better now.... [00:24] ...in an unencrypted file that was likely available to any app dev that wanted it. [00:24] Oh oh, and apple got a patent on that 'bug' last year. [00:24] canthus13: It was. [00:24] So for a bug, funny how it also has a patent. :P [00:24] * canthus13 shrugs. [00:24] I'm not affected by it. :) [00:25] Another one up to the apple reality distortion field. [00:58] any news on the release? [00:58] is it still on schedule? [01:04] dmcglone: TOmorrow. [01:05] anything standing in it's way [01:05] the fact that it sucks? [01:05] Show-stopper installation issues... [01:09] I wonder if it'll be released at 12am [01:11] I'm thirsty, anyone want anything while i'm in the kitchen? [01:15] Ahhhh refreshing gatorade! [01:16] dmcglone: 11:59pm on the 28th. [01:16] * canthus13 prefers powerade zero. [01:20] I got whatever was $.99 [01:20] lol [01:20] kroger 10 for 10 [01:21] Powerade zero was .50/each. [01:21] at kroger. [01:25] dang I missed that sale [01:25] was it the 32 oz? [01:30] Yep. [01:32] cool, I think I'll hit kroger tomorrow. [01:33] I don't htink it's on sale now... this was a couple of weeks ago. [01:33] I gotta stock up anyhow, I just opened the last one. They probably aren't on sale, though. [01:34] * Cheri703 is actually trying to get back to doing things interacting with other people. I was kind of a hermit for a few weeks [01:35] I've been a hermit for years :-/ [01:35] People? [01:39] Unit193: huh? [01:39] I'm a space alien from jupiter [01:39] I relocated to nebula [01:40] the extradited to earth [01:40] You guys were talking about not interacting with other "people". I don't know what those things are... [01:40] Neither do I :-/ [03:16] canthus13: irssi proxy is VERY cool.... [03:16] If you know what Quassel is, it's a bit like that... [03:19] quassel should be the standard for IRC clients >.> [03:19] BiosElement: I can use irssi or pidgin to talk (and the chat will show up in both) [03:20] It just doesn't show backlogs [03:20] Umm, pidgin? For IRC? *coughs* [03:20] Some people use it (I think dmcglone does) [03:20] I know, and I feel sorry for them. [03:21] It's not all that bad [03:21] What GUI choices do you have? [03:21] Quassel and Konversation are pretty awesome. I'd use weechat if I could get the colors down. >.< [03:22] Back in a few, phone. [03:22] Those are KDE apps (they will work in others, but they are KDE) [04:14] Unit193: Xchat. [04:16] Unit193: I know they are, you're talking to a Kubuntu user. :P XChat is an awesome gnome client though [04:16] * Unit193 Will install Kubuntu when 11.04 comes out [04:17] * Cheri703 just had a bacon egg and onion sandwich :) [04:42] Awesome discussion killer Cheri703 ;) [04:42] BiosElement: Are you already rockin' 11.04? (I don't remember) [04:43] Yep, I'm already breaking shit ;) [04:43] mmmmhm [04:43] * Cheri703 is good at that [04:43] * Unit193 is better? [04:47] * canthus13 has yet to successfully install natty. :/ [04:47] I'm on attempt #4. this time with the alternate iso. [04:48] Ubuntu? [04:48] canthus13: USB or CD? [04:48] BiosElement: virtualbox. [04:48] Ahh, VBox may not like some versions of the ISO [04:48] I know they f'd up USB installs and VBox3 installs for part of the time [04:50] I've seen quite a few reports of it either being really slow installing, or not installing at all. something to do with btrfs. [04:50] * canthus13 is using vbox4. [04:50] It's amazingly slow to install. I've had it going for over 2 hours now. [04:50] It is [04:51] CentOS installed in about 30 minutes. [04:51] Debian netinst took about the same. [04:51] meh. it's at 44%. [04:53] Anyone hear of this TipTheWeb thing? [04:53] I've been reading posts on flattr and they're spamming it everywhere >.< [04:53] Beginning to suspect it's a total scam or if not, ran by spammy desperate people >.> [04:55] Ahh, yes. The entire basis is fishy. You can "tip" any website, and then a content owner has to randomly come along and 'claim' the page to get the tip. [05:02] 52% [05:02] BTW [05:02] eh? [05:02] I'm going to make a Ubu-OH Convore group in a few. In fact I wonder if there's an ubuntu group >.> [05:03] Convore? [05:03] Google Wave done right. https://convore.com/ [05:03] This isn't something I would need to signup for? [05:03] Ah. [05:03] Unit193: FB/Twit integration with OpenID Expected soon. [05:03] * BiosElement bloody hates OpenID >.< [05:05] I like OpenID better then FB... [05:06] Heh, I'm a FB Fan myself. For the most part I'm not paranoid, I don't mind being sold to adverts. :P [05:06] I do have an account! [05:07] * Unit193 finds BiosElement and canthus13 [05:07] lol, facebook.com/bioselemnet [05:07] *bioselement [05:07] Cannot type [05:16] tleds is kinda funny... [05:44] 79% [05:45] At least it's working! Maybe I should try tomorrow to see if it's just you... [05:57] 90% [05:57] Unit193: I'm still on beta 2. [05:58] I was just thinking it's too late tonight to start... [06:01] Installing GRUB. :) [06:02] Start it, and once you've finished all the account setup, go to sleep. [06:02] If all goes well, all that's left is to tell it to install grub when you wake up. [06:02] That won't tell me how long it takes [06:02] Ah. [06:03] I have Xubuntu 11.04 B2 installed [06:04] It's slow to boot, that's for sure. [06:05] Aww. I don't have the hardware to run unity. what a shame. [06:06] Doesn't that give you Gnome then? [06:06] Yep. [06:07] Let me guess. If you don't have bad H/W, you don't get the option? [06:07] Probably. It's because I don't yet have the guest additions installed. [06:13] Woo. 200MB worth of updates. [06:14] hola skrapp_jaw [06:15] Wow. They made plain gnome uglier.... [06:17] whats up [06:17] i have learned a new trick [06:17] :) [06:17] Backflip? [06:17] oh? [06:17] x2x x11 keyboard/mouse share [06:17] nice [06:18] My desktop pc has a terrible keyboard and mouse so i ssh'd from the laptop. [06:18] lol [06:18] Like synergy? [06:18] yea [06:18] well [06:18] maybe. ive not used that [06:18] this was simple. [06:19] I dig it alot. [06:20] Synergy can be very nice when you're fixing a computer for someone! [06:20] its easier to work like this with one keyboard and mouse than 2. [06:20] lol. now im on the laptop [06:21] :P [06:21] Im using an HD tv monitor but im having problems with the resolution. [06:22] that and the wlan card wont pick up networks anymore... so im jacked in with a cat5 ethernet cable and some x2x. :P [06:25] Holy crap. updates are CRAWLING... [06:26] Sign you should not use normal Ubuntu? [06:30] A sign that if it doesn't change I'm switching distros [06:30] Go with Xubuntu... [06:30] my desktop is now on 1600x900 resolution [06:31] lol [06:31] I gather he's bitching about overloaded servers, not the distro [06:31] (I know it's not another distro) [06:31] canthus13: 11.04? [06:31] I updated earlier. [06:33] BiosElement: Yup [06:34] canthus13: Explains i then, dev stuff are on shittier servers last I looked. [06:34] BiosElement: it's an issue with btrfs from what I've read. [06:34] SkrappJaw: are you planning to go to the thing in columbus on sunday? [06:34] Don't use btrfs for anything you give a flying f about [06:34] It's serious enough that bhy all rights the release should be delayed. [06:35] It still doesn't have fully working disc checks. [06:35] BiosElement: I didn't really have a choice on this. [06:35] canthus13: Is btrfs the default? [06:35] Although, actually, it's ext4. [06:35] Hrm. [06:35] If you're in vbox, take a nap. The slowness is from vbox being lame. [06:37] BiosElement: I don't have this issue with any other distro. [06:37] Heck, I don't have the issue with Lucid in vbox. [06:37] I do. Virtual disc drives are always somewhat slow for updates. Be it Fedora, Debian, Mint or Ubuntu. I used ext4 for all of them. [06:37] I have moderate slowness with the full disk encryption I'm using on a crunchbang install. [06:40] BiosElement: You have Mint in VBox? Why is this if you don't like it? [06:40] canthus13: I suspect the problem isn't ubuntu, but upstream since I've seen a problems like that myself. [06:40] Unit193: I don't have it now, I tried it out to see if it was any better. It wasn't. [06:40] Kinda unfair for me to bitch about something I last tried 2 years ago isn't it? ;) [06:41] I have tried it sooner then that! I don't think I would install it on another computer... [06:43] It has some nice features though... [06:44] * canthus13 likes the opening 'where to find help' window in Mint. [06:45] Default restricted drivers? Don't they have DVD support out of the box? [06:45] yup. [06:45] +1! [06:46] Friend said he didn't like linux because it couldn't play dvds [06:46] anyone know how to get the HDMI video out to work on a sony vaio laptop? [06:48] Never tried. [06:48] #ubuntu would be a better place to ask. [06:48] what video card? [06:49] Unit193: They do. It's illegal but they have mp3 support out of the box [06:50] BiosElement: They have a USA/Japan version ;) [06:51] Unit193: Bullshit, the default is still illegal and we all know what the users will click. >.< [06:51] That tick box in Ubuntu install doesn't give you DVD support (Does it give MP3?) [06:51] It does, I think it gives DVD too. [06:51] no it doesn't BiosElement [06:51] * Cheri703 had to install it separately [06:51] It's an effective workaround to the distribution. [06:52] unless they changed it for 11.04 [06:52] Cheri703: Really? I may be wrong. I just thought it installed ubuntu-restricted-extras, which has DVD I thought [06:52] I would only recommend Mint to someone that I don't want to tell how to install medibuntu [06:52] you have to install other stuff for it [06:53] Cheri703: I don't pretend to know for sure, I never really use DVD's with my comp >.< [06:53] I use a netbook :) [06:53] but I've had to install it on a few computers [06:54] I'd never send anyone off to install linux mint, I just can't trust how they do anything there. [06:54] Ubuntu may not always be the most transparent, but ugh, I gave up trying to figure out what mint does for planning anything. [06:55] Explain to a non-computer user how to add a repo... [06:56] "press ctrl-alt-t then copy this: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:blahblahblah and paste it into terminal...press enter" [06:56] Cheri703: Not with medibuntu... [06:56] eh, with others [06:57] Unit193: I wouldn't. [06:58] Then how do you get DVD support if that's the deal breaker? (I would just install it for that friend) [06:58] libdvdcss2 package [06:59] HDMI video out to work on a sony vaio laptop [06:59] bah [06:59] one sec [06:59] It's not a separate repo. [06:59] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs [06:59] actually pretty easy [06:59] Actually, it's now libdvdread4 [06:59] I ssh'd into my mom's computer and installed for her :) [07:00] Cheri703: According to the help docs, dvd IS installed when you tick the box [07:00] hmm...it wasn't working with my mom's till I did that stuff [07:00] However a script needs to be ran as root for some FUBAR'd reason [07:01] Yay for lawyers [07:03] nvm. i figured it out [07:03] lol [07:03] good :) [07:10] Holy hell this has gotta be the worst site I've seen for ages [07:10] That also happens to be spamming the hell outta planet kde [07:11] * BiosElement hunts for someone to complain too [07:18] LMFAO!!!! [07:18] It gets better [07:18] He moderates comments and so I 'know' he's read the other 4 comments over the past few days that he's spamming the planet [07:24] I can't tell if DVD support is in extras or not... [07:32] Unit193: ...Did you read the link Cheri gave you? [07:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs [07:33] Sorry, I was thinking if it did during the install... (I did read that, I normally use medi) [07:33] It does, but you need to run one command line due to legal bs [07:34] OK, I didn't know for *sure* if it did with libdvdcss... (I take it the installer does happen to tell you that?) [07:35] libdvdcss is installed by the command line [07:35] Yes, that's what you said, thank you [07:35] Ahh cool, your welcome [13:02] Hmm... Installing with ext3 seems to be faster. [13:22] canthus13: installing what? [13:22] deejoe: Natty in virtualbox. ext4 took several hours to install. [13:23] It's still slow to boot... :/ [13:24] yow [13:24] what physical hardware, and what vb hw? [13:25] Dell inspiron 1545... and vb 4.0.6 [13:26] * canthus13 is building the guest additions right now.. we'll see if they work this time. they didn't in beta 2. :/ [13:26] canthus13: yeah, I was wondering more about RAM and proc specifics [13:27] I suppose disk subsystems would be relevant, too. [13:27] Oh. 1.25GB ram, 2.1ghz dual core proc. [13:27] and how much of that did you give over to the vb? [13:27] Umm.. SATA drive... Encrypted home folder, which might be part of the speed issue. [13:27] oh, heck yes [13:28] the encryption is probably a big player [13:28] It wasn't causing the speed issues I had last night... It took 4 hours to complete the install. CentOS installed in vbox on the same drive without any issues. [13:28] also with encryption [13:28] TO be clear, the encrypted home folder is the ost machine. [13:29] *host [13:29] haha, ouch [13:29] Also have a crunchbang install in vbox that has full disk encryption and it's not nearly as slow. [13:29] nice to have those comparisons [13:30] installing from net, or from CD? [13:30] iso with the net update option checked. [13:30] * deejoe wonders if release-time network contention . . . [13:30] ah [13:31] Woo. guest additions worked this time. [13:31] so, shouldn't have held up the bulk of it, but maybe the net update contributed. [13:31] I'm actually thinking it's some weird interaction with ext4 and the VM. [13:31] * deejoe is trying to think of what a bug report on this might look like [13:32] ext4 on the guest [13:33] THere are bug reports already out about it with all sorts of conjectures about what the issue might be... [13:34] Updating to the latest version of vbox seems to have helped some. [13:36] there are so many dimensions to these sorts of things these days [13:36] * deejoe *almost* wishes for the simpler times before widespread virtualization [13:39] Wow. they uglified the 'classic' version. [13:41] They went back to the old icon set... left all sorts of little details undone. [13:46] buttons, window decorations are a throwback to 2001... [13:47] Ah well. I'll see what 11.10 is like in a few months. :) === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD [15:46] Well happy release day to you all [15:47] <_bbb> cheers [15:49] is everyone playing nice, and using zsync and/or torrents? [16:05] wow, so using zsync, it seems that only about 30% of the iso changed since beta2 [16:19] ugh, you gotta be kidding me...stupid university packet shapers... [16:20] it's sad when downloading the iso's via http, you get 2MB/s, and bittorrent, you only get MAYBE 100kB/s....lame [16:24] oops, more like >5MiBs via http... [16:47] Alright, I don't hate unity...in fact, I think my wife will love it [16:47] me, I'll stick with crunchbang on my netbook though :) [17:31] * canthus13 despises unity. [17:32] It's like it was designed with a barely-literate idiot in mind. It's insulting. [17:33] thafreak: Oh? I maxed out my connection with the torrent. (3.6Mbyte/sec) [17:34] Actually enabling compiz on the classic version breaks window decorations. :( [17:34] I swear it's like they're making standard gnome intolerable on purpose. [17:37] ..And apparently, enabling compiz in classic breaks unity. [17:53] canthus13: it wasn't until I saw the release announcement that I *got* what they're trying for with Unity. [17:53] shows how much I've been paying attention, really. [17:53] ? [17:53] Derath-Srvr: ‽ [17:54] Can't say that I've really looked into unity yet... [17:54] me neither [17:54] So what are they trying to do with it? [17:55] unify the experience across form factors [17:55] or, at least, the software, if not the experience [17:55] interesting [17:55] deejoe: It's more like catering to the dumbest common denominator. [17:56] I can see why they might *want* to do it, but it may end up being a quality experience like cutting down a tree with your Swiss Army Knife is a quality experience [17:56] I can see where someone with zero computer experience would have an easy time of it, but it's sort of like how a barbie power wheel is easy to drive. [17:57] canthus13: given that I'm writing you via a combination of gnome-terminal+screen+ssh+screen+irssi, I'm not sure the extent to which that wasn't already true with GNOME or KDE to begin with already. [17:57] * Derath-Srvr smirks [17:57] And I'm using Windows, putty, ssh, screen, irssi here lol [17:58] Derath-Srvr: Ew. I use FreeNX to get to my machine at home and pretend windows isn't there. :) [17:58] ...at which point I use gnome terminal to ssh into my server and recover irssi running in a screen session. [17:59] canthus13: Problem is restrictive software policies at work... [17:59] FreeNX has a portable version. :) [17:59] Putty is a necessary tool, therefore allowed, FreeNX is not allowed on the network or pcs [18:01] does someone have the details of the meeting handy on their screen at the moment? [18:02] Location, time, etc? [18:05] Columbus main library 3rd floor board room on Sunday May 1st from 1 pm to 5 pm. [18:06] Derath-Srvr: Try KiTTY if you have to use windows (Some features over PuTTY) [18:07] Unit193: Again, software restrictions at work... [18:07] Approved software only [18:13] Okay, started my server-side torrent pull... [18:14] Will have to move it to the webserver so I can download it here at work... [18:17] Well, I don't think I'll be using unity at work, or on my main laptop, or my netbook...or on any of my virtual desktops (not that you could anyway) [18:17] but the computer that I share with my wife, that I mainly just pull up a terminal or 12 on...and maybe an nx/vnc viewer....yeah I could see using it there [18:18] hell, it would even be sorta nice on my netbook, if my netbook didn't suck... [18:18] but I'm happy with crunchbang there :) [18:20] Anyone ever use aria2? It's pretty slick...drop dead simple cli download tool... [18:20] you can replace wget, bittorrent, etc with one tool... [18:21] and you can give it multiple like http for ftp locations, and it will download from all the sources simultaneously... [19:11] Okay, what's going on here... I thought someone said the install cd had Unity on it... [19:13] It does... Ubuntu 11.04 has Unity [19:13] Okay, I grabbed the 64b desktop, and I'm staring at gnome... [19:14] is it only the 32b that is using it then? [19:14] Or is it just the "installed" versions that are forcing unity? [19:14] Is this in a VM? [19:15] Yeah [19:15] a very limited vm [19:17] I'm not sure if a VM will run Unity? [19:19] * Unit193 doesn't know and has only seen screenshots of Un Unity [19:20] only error I got: [19:20] [19:21] Whoops... [19:21] wrong one... [19:21] SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade bios or use force_addr=0xaddr [19:22] Derath-Srvr: Unity requires 3d acceleration. it defaults to gnome without it. [19:23] Derath-Srvr: I got that with the older version of vbox. 4.0.6 doesn't seem to do it. [19:23] So, I would need to install ubuntu, and load in the guest additions? [19:25] Yep. and the guest additions don't work right until you install 4.0.6. Looks like it was an emergency update that was put out early this mornign. [19:26] (Which seems odd for oracle...) [20:09] Alright, let's see if this worked to show the Unity desktop [20:14] Interesting, there's a VirtualMachine kernel in the repos... [20:14] for virtual appliances.. [20:14] Would it help in VirtualBox? [20:15] unknown [20:15] taking too long to pull down and try... [20:15] But it also appears that gdm or unity is crashing at the moment.. [20:34] Interesting... [20:36] Okay, I like some aspects of Unity, and there's some that I really dislike so far... granted only a quick look at the moment [22:35] Derath-Srvr: What are you thinking of Unity now? [22:44] Murderous thoughts... [22:46] heh [22:46] Should I try Unity... [22:57] Sure. It'll give you a baseline for how to treat a user like a complete moron. [23:26] I find it funny that people are still shocked about apple's general location tracking [23:26] WHen Windows phones transmit your GPS coords directly to microsoft >.>