[00:21] <BiosElement> So does anyone actually trust apple? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110427/10582914057/apple-takes-credit-uncovering-its-patented-location-bug-that-isnt-really-tracking-you-which-itll-fix.shtml
[00:21] <BiosElement> >.>
[00:22] <canthus13> No.
[00:22] <BiosElement> It's awesome, they found a 'bug', but it wasn't tracking your location. Just the location of all wifi and cell towers since forever. :P
[00:23] <canthus13> Yup.
[00:24] <BiosElement> Ahh, I see. I feel better now....
[00:24] <canthus13> ...in an unencrypted file that was likely available to any app dev that wanted it.
[00:24] <BiosElement> Oh oh, and apple got a patent on that 'bug' last year.
[00:24] <BiosElement> canthus13: It was.
[00:24] <BiosElement> So for a bug, funny how it also has a patent. :P
[00:24]  * canthus13 shrugs.
[00:24] <canthus13> I'm not affected by it. :)
[00:25] <BiosElement> Another one up to the apple reality distortion field.
[00:58] <dmcglone> any news on the release?
[00:58] <dmcglone> is it still on schedule?
[01:04] <canthus13> dmcglone: TOmorrow.
[01:05] <dmcglone> anything standing in it's way
[01:05] <canthus13> the fact that it sucks?
[01:05] <canthus13> Show-stopper installation issues...
[01:09] <dmcglone> I wonder if it'll be released at 12am
[01:11] <dmcglone> I'm thirsty, anyone want anything while i'm in the kitchen?
[01:15] <dmcglone> Ahhhh refreshing gatorade!
[01:16] <canthus13> dmcglone: 11:59pm on the 28th.
[01:16]  * canthus13 prefers powerade zero.
[01:20] <dmcglone> I got whatever was $.99
[01:20] <dmcglone> lol
[01:20] <dmcglone> kroger 10 for 10
[01:21] <canthus13> Powerade zero was .50/each.
[01:21] <canthus13> at kroger.
[01:25] <dmcglone> dang I missed that sale
[01:25] <dmcglone> was it the 32 oz?
[01:30] <canthus13> Yep.
[01:32] <dmcglone> cool, I think I'll hit kroger tomorrow.
[01:33] <canthus13> I don't htink it's on sale now... this was a couple of weeks ago.
[01:33] <dmcglone> I gotta stock up anyhow, I just opened the last one. They probably aren't on sale, though.
[01:34]  * Cheri703 is actually trying to get back to doing things interacting with other people. I was kind of a hermit for a few weeks
[01:35] <dmcglone> I've been a hermit for years :-/
[01:35] <Unit193> People?
[01:39] <dmcglone> Unit193: huh?
[01:39] <dmcglone> I'm a space alien from jupiter
[01:39] <dmcglone> I relocated to nebula
[01:40] <dmcglone> the extradited to earth
[01:40] <Unit193> You guys were talking about not interacting with other "people". I don't know what those things are...
[01:40] <dmcglone> Neither do I :-/
[03:16] <Unit193> canthus13: irssi proxy is VERY cool....
[03:16] <Unit193> If you know what Quassel is, it's a bit like that...
[03:19] <BiosElement> quassel should be the standard for IRC clients >.>
[03:19] <Unit193> BiosElement: I can use irssi or pidgin to talk (and the chat will show up in both)
[03:20] <Unit193> It just doesn't show backlogs
[03:20] <BiosElement> Umm, pidgin? For IRC? *coughs*
[03:20] <Unit193> Some people use it (I think dmcglone does)
[03:20] <BiosElement> I know, and I feel sorry for them.
[03:21] <Unit193> It's not all that bad
[03:21] <Unit193> What GUI choices do you have?
[03:21] <BiosElement> Quassel and Konversation are pretty awesome. I'd use weechat if I could get the colors down. >.<
[03:22] <BiosElement> Back in a few, phone.
[03:22] <Unit193> Those are KDE apps (they will work in others, but they are KDE)
[04:14] <canthus13> Unit193: Xchat.
[04:16] <BiosElement> Unit193: I know they are, you're talking to a Kubuntu user. :P XChat is an awesome gnome client though
[04:16]  * Unit193 Will install Kubuntu when 11.04 comes out
[04:17]  * Cheri703 just had a bacon egg and onion sandwich :)
[04:42] <BiosElement> Awesome discussion killer Cheri703 ;)
[04:42] <Unit193> BiosElement: Are you already rockin' 11.04? (I don't remember)
[04:43] <BiosElement> Yep, I'm already breaking shit ;)
[04:43] <Cheri703> mmmmhm
[04:43]  * Cheri703 is good at that
[04:43]  * Unit193 is better?
[04:47]  * canthus13 has yet to successfully install natty. :/
[04:47] <canthus13> I'm on attempt #4.  this time with the alternate iso.
[04:48] <Unit193> Ubuntu?
[04:48] <BiosElement> canthus13: USB or CD?
[04:48] <canthus13> BiosElement: virtualbox.
[04:48] <BiosElement> Ahh, VBox may not like some versions of the ISO
[04:48] <BiosElement> I know they f'd up USB installs and VBox3 installs for part of the time
[04:50] <canthus13> I've seen quite a few reports of it either being really slow installing, or not installing at all. something to do with btrfs.
[04:50]  * canthus13 is using vbox4.
[04:50] <canthus13> It's amazingly slow to install.  I've had it going for over 2 hours now.
[04:50] <BiosElement> It is
[04:51] <canthus13> CentOS installed in about 30 minutes.
[04:51] <canthus13> Debian netinst took about the same.
[04:51] <canthus13> meh. it's at 44%.
[04:53] <BiosElement> Anyone hear of this TipTheWeb thing?
[04:53] <BiosElement> I've been reading posts on flattr and they're spamming it everywhere >.<
[04:53] <BiosElement> Beginning to suspect it's a total scam or if not, ran by spammy desperate people >.>
[04:55] <BiosElement> Ahh, yes. The entire basis is fishy. You can "tip" any website, and then a content owner has to randomly come along and 'claim' the page to get the tip.
[05:02] <canthus13> 52%
[05:02] <BiosElement> BTW
[05:02] <canthus13> eh?
[05:02] <BiosElement> I'm going to make a Ubu-OH Convore group in a few. In fact I wonder if there's an ubuntu group >.>
[05:03] <canthus13> Convore?
[05:03] <BiosElement> Google Wave done right. https://convore.com/
[05:03] <Unit193> This isn't something I would need to signup for?
[05:03] <canthus13> Ah.
[05:03] <BiosElement> Unit193: FB/Twit integration with OpenID Expected soon.
[05:03]  * BiosElement bloody hates OpenID >.<
[05:05] <Unit193> I like OpenID better then FB...
[05:06] <BiosElement> Heh, I'm a FB Fan myself. For the most part I'm not paranoid, I don't mind being sold to adverts. :P
[05:06] <Unit193> I do have an account!
[05:07]  * Unit193 finds BiosElement and canthus13
[05:07] <BiosElement> lol, facebook.com/bioselemnet
[05:07] <BiosElement> *bioselement
[05:07] <BiosElement> Cannot type
[05:16] <Unit193> tleds is kinda funny...
[05:44] <canthus13> 79%
[05:45] <Unit193> At least it's working! Maybe I should try tomorrow to see if it's just you...
[05:57] <canthus13> 90%
[05:57] <canthus13> Unit193: I'm still on beta 2.
[05:58] <Unit193> I was just thinking it's too late tonight to start...
[06:01] <canthus13> Installing GRUB. :)
[06:02] <canthus13> Start it, and once you've finished all the account setup, go to sleep.
[06:02] <canthus13> If all goes well, all that's left is to tell it to install grub when you wake up.
[06:02] <Unit193> That won't tell me how long it takes
[06:02] <canthus13> Ah.
[06:03] <Unit193> I have Xubuntu 11.04 B2 installed
[06:04] <canthus13> It's slow to boot, that's for sure.
[06:05] <canthus13> Aww. I don't have the hardware to run unity. what a shame.
[06:06] <Unit193> Doesn't that give you Gnome then?
[06:06] <canthus13> Yep.
[06:07] <Unit193> Let me guess. If you don't have bad H/W, you don't get the option?
[06:07] <canthus13> Probably.  It's because I don't yet have the guest additions installed.
[06:13] <canthus13> Woo. 200MB worth of updates.
[06:14] <Cheri703> hola skrapp_jaw
[06:15] <canthus13> Wow. They made plain gnome uglier....
[06:17] <skrapp_jaw> whats up
[06:17] <skrapp_jaw> i have learned a new trick
[06:17] <skrapp_jaw> :)
[06:17] <Unit193> Backflip?
[06:17] <Cheri703> oh?
[06:17] <skrapp_jaw> x2x x11 keyboard/mouse share
[06:17] <Cheri703> nice
[06:18] <skrapp_jaw> My desktop pc has a terrible keyboard and mouse so i ssh'd from the laptop.
[06:18] <skrapp_jaw> lol
[06:18] <Unit193> Like synergy?
[06:18] <skrapp_jaw> yea
[06:18] <skrapp_jaw> well
[06:18] <skrapp_jaw> maybe. ive not used that
[06:18] <skrapp_jaw> this was simple.
[06:19] <skrapp_jaw> I dig it alot.
[06:20] <Unit193> Synergy can be very nice when you're fixing a computer for someone!
[06:20] <skrapp_jaw> its easier to work like this with one keyboard and mouse than 2.
[06:20] <SkrappJaw> lol. now im on the laptop
[06:21] <SkrappJaw> :P
[06:21] <SkrappJaw> Im using an HD tv monitor but im having problems with the resolution.
[06:22] <SkrappJaw> that and the wlan card wont pick up networks anymore... so im jacked in with a cat5 ethernet cable and some x2x. :P
[06:25] <canthus13> Holy crap. updates are CRAWLING...
[06:26] <Unit193> Sign you should not use normal Ubuntu?
[06:30] <canthus13> A sign that if it doesn't change I'm switching distros
[06:30] <Unit193> Go with Xubuntu...
[06:30] <SkrappJaw> my desktop is now on 1600x900 resolution
[06:31] <SkrappJaw> lol
[06:31] <BiosElement> I gather he's bitching about overloaded servers, not the distro
[06:31] <Unit193> (I know it's not another distro)
[06:31] <BiosElement> canthus13: 11.04?
[06:31] <SkrappJaw> I updated earlier.
[06:33] <canthus13> BiosElement: Yup
[06:34] <BiosElement> canthus13: Explains i then, dev stuff are on shittier servers last I looked.
[06:34] <canthus13> BiosElement: it's an issue with btrfs from what I've read.
[06:34] <Cheri703> SkrappJaw: are you planning to go to the thing in columbus on sunday?
[06:34] <BiosElement> Don't use btrfs for anything you give a flying f about
[06:34] <canthus13> It's serious enough that bhy all rights the release should be delayed.
[06:35] <BiosElement> It still doesn't have fully working disc checks.
[06:35] <canthus13> BiosElement: I didn't really have a choice on this.
[06:35] <BiosElement> canthus13: Is btrfs the default?
[06:35] <canthus13> Although, actually, it's ext4.
[06:35] <canthus13> Hrm.
[06:35] <BiosElement> If you're in vbox, take a nap. The slowness is from vbox being lame.
[06:37] <canthus13> BiosElement: I don't have this issue with any other distro.
[06:37] <canthus13> Heck, I don't have the issue with Lucid in vbox.
[06:37] <BiosElement> I do. Virtual disc drives are always somewhat slow for updates. Be it Fedora, Debian, Mint or Ubuntu. I used ext4 for all of them.
[06:37] <canthus13> I have moderate slowness with the full disk encryption I'm using on a crunchbang install.
[06:40] <Unit193> BiosElement: You have Mint in VBox? Why is this if you don't like it?
[06:40] <BiosElement> canthus13: I suspect the problem isn't ubuntu, but upstream since I've seen a problems like that myself.
[06:40] <BiosElement> Unit193: I don't have it now, I tried it out to see if it was any better. It wasn't.
[06:40] <BiosElement> Kinda unfair for me to bitch about something I last tried 2 years ago isn't it? ;)
[06:41] <Unit193> I have tried it sooner then that! I don't think I would install it on another computer...
[06:43] <Unit193> It has some nice features though...
[06:44]  * canthus13 likes the opening 'where to find help' window in Mint.
[06:45] <Unit193> Default restricted drivers? Don't they have DVD support out of the box?
[06:45] <canthus13> yup.
[06:45] <Unit193> +1!
[06:46] <Unit193> Friend said he didn't like linux because it couldn't play dvds
[06:46] <SkrappJaw> anyone know how to get the HDMI video out to work on a sony vaio laptop?
[06:48] <canthus13> Never tried.
[06:48] <canthus13> #ubuntu would be a better place to ask.
[06:48] <Cheri703> what video card?
[06:49] <BiosElement> Unit193: They do. It's illegal but they have mp3 support out of the box
[06:50] <Unit193> BiosElement: They have a USA/Japan version ;)
[06:51] <BiosElement> Unit193: Bullshit, the default is still illegal and we all know what the users will click. >.<
[06:51] <Unit193> That tick box in Ubuntu install doesn't give you DVD support (Does it give MP3?)
[06:51] <BiosElement> It does, I think it gives DVD too.
[06:51] <Cheri703> no it doesn't BiosElement
[06:51]  * Cheri703 had to install it separately
[06:51] <BiosElement> It's an effective workaround to the distribution.
[06:52] <Cheri703> unless they changed it for 11.04
[06:52] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Really? I may be wrong. I just thought it installed ubuntu-restricted-extras, which has DVD I thought
[06:52] <Unit193> I would only recommend Mint to someone that I don't want to tell how to install medibuntu
[06:52] <Cheri703> you have to install other stuff for it
[06:53] <BiosElement> Cheri703: I don't pretend to know for sure, I never really use DVD's with my comp >.<
[06:53] <Cheri703> I use a netbook :)
[06:53] <Cheri703> but I've had to install it on a few computers
[06:54] <BiosElement> I'd never send anyone off to install linux mint, I just can't trust how they do anything there.
[06:54] <BiosElement> Ubuntu may not always be the most transparent, but ugh, I gave up trying to figure out what mint does for planning anything.
[06:55] <Unit193> Explain to a non-computer user how to add a repo...
[06:56] <Cheri703> "press ctrl-alt-t then copy this: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:blahblahblah and paste it into terminal...press enter"
[06:56] <Unit193> Cheri703: Not with medibuntu...
[06:56] <Cheri703> eh, with others
[06:57] <BiosElement> Unit193: I wouldn't.
[06:58] <Unit193> Then how do you get DVD support if that's the deal breaker? (I would just install it for that friend)
[06:58] <BiosElement> libdvdcss2 package
[06:59] <Cheri703> HDMI video out to work on a sony vaio laptop
[06:59] <Cheri703> bah
[06:59] <Cheri703> one sec
[06:59] <BiosElement> It's not a separate repo.
[06:59] <Cheri703> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[06:59] <Cheri703> actually pretty easy
[06:59] <BiosElement> Actually, it's now libdvdread4
[06:59] <Cheri703> I ssh'd into my mom's computer and installed for her :)
[07:00] <BiosElement> Cheri703: According to the help docs, dvd IS installed when you tick the box
[07:00] <Cheri703> hmm...it wasn't working with my mom's till I did that stuff
[07:00] <BiosElement> However a script needs to be ran as root for some FUBAR'd reason
[07:01] <BiosElement> Yay for lawyers
[07:03] <SkrappJaw> nvm. i figured it out
[07:03] <SkrappJaw> lol
[07:03] <Cheri703> good :)
[07:10] <BiosElement> Holy hell this has gotta be the worst site I've seen for ages
[07:10] <BiosElement> That also happens to be spamming the hell outta planet kde
[07:11]  * BiosElement hunts for someone to complain too
[07:18] <BiosElement> LMFAO!!!!
[07:18] <BiosElement> It gets better
[07:18] <BiosElement> He moderates comments and so I 'know' he's read the other 4 comments over the past few days that he's spamming the planet
[07:24] <Unit193> I can't tell if DVD support is in extras or not...
[07:32] <BiosElement> Unit193: ...Did you read the link Cheri gave you?
[07:32] <BiosElement> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[07:33] <Unit193> Sorry, I was thinking if it did during the install... (I did read that, I normally use medi)
[07:33] <BiosElement> It does, but you need to run one command line due to legal bs
[07:34] <Unit193> OK, I didn't know for *sure* if it did with libdvdcss... (I take it the installer does happen to tell you that?)
[07:35] <BiosElement> libdvdcss is installed by the command line
[07:35] <Unit193> Yes, that's what you said, thank you
[07:35] <BiosElement> Ahh cool, your welcome
[13:02] <canthus13> Hmm... Installing with ext3 seems to be faster.
[13:22] <deejoe> canthus13: installing what?
[13:22] <canthus13> deejoe: Natty in virtualbox.  ext4 took several hours to install.
[13:23] <canthus13> It's still slow to boot... :/
[13:24] <deejoe> yow
[13:24] <deejoe> what physical hardware, and what vb hw?
[13:25] <canthus13> Dell inspiron 1545... and vb 4.0.6
[13:26]  * canthus13 is building the guest additions right now.. we'll see if they work this time. they didn't in beta 2. :/
[13:26] <deejoe> canthus13: yeah, I was wondering more about RAM and proc specifics
[13:27] <deejoe> I suppose disk subsystems would be relevant, too.
[13:27] <canthus13> Oh. 1.25GB ram, 2.1ghz dual core proc.
[13:27] <deejoe> and how much of that did you give over to the vb?
[13:27] <canthus13> Umm.. SATA drive... Encrypted home folder, which might be part of the speed issue.
[13:27] <deejoe> oh, heck yes
[13:28] <deejoe> the encryption is probably a big player
[13:28] <canthus13> It wasn't causing the speed issues I had last night... It took 4 hours to complete the install. CentOS installed in vbox on the same drive without any issues.
[13:28] <deejoe> also with encryption
[13:28] <canthus13> TO be clear, the encrypted home folder is the ost machine.
[13:29] <canthus13> *host
[13:29] <deejoe> haha, ouch
[13:29] <canthus13> Also have a crunchbang install in vbox that has full disk encryption and it's not nearly as slow.
[13:29] <deejoe> nice to have those comparisons
[13:30] <deejoe> installing from net, or from CD?
[13:30] <canthus13> iso with the net update option checked.
[13:30]  * deejoe wonders if release-time network contention . . .
[13:30] <deejoe> ah
[13:31] <canthus13> Woo. guest additions worked this time.
[13:31] <deejoe> so, shouldn't have held up the bulk of it, but maybe the net update contributed.
[13:31] <canthus13> I'm actually thinking it's some weird interaction with ext4 and the VM.
[13:31]  * deejoe is trying to think of what a bug report on this might look like
[13:32] <deejoe> ext4 on the guest
[13:33] <canthus13> THere are bug reports already out about it with all sorts of conjectures about what the issue might be...
[13:34] <canthus13> Updating to the latest version of vbox seems to have helped some.
[13:36] <deejoe> there are so many dimensions to these sorts of things these days
[13:36]  * deejoe *almost* wishes for the simpler times before widespread virtualization
[13:39] <canthus13> Wow. they uglified the 'classic' version.
[13:41] <canthus13> They went back to the old icon set... left all sorts of little details undone.
[13:46] <canthus13> buttons, window decorations are a throwback to 2001...
[13:47] <canthus13> Ah well.  I'll see what 11.10 is like in a few months. :)
[15:46] <thafreak> Well happy release day to you all
[15:47] <_bbb> cheers
[15:49] <thafreak> is everyone playing nice, and using zsync and/or torrents?
[16:05] <thafreak> wow, so using zsync, it seems that only about 30% of the iso changed since beta2
[16:19] <thafreak> ugh, you gotta be kidding me...stupid university packet shapers...
[16:20] <thafreak> it's sad when downloading the iso's via http, you get 2MB/s, and bittorrent, you only get MAYBE 100kB/s....lame
[16:24] <thafreak> oops, more like >5MiBs via http...
[16:47] <thafreak> Alright, I don't hate unity...in fact, I think my wife will love it
[16:47] <thafreak> me, I'll stick with crunchbang on my netbook though :)
[17:31]  * canthus13 despises unity.
[17:32] <canthus13> It's like it was designed with a barely-literate idiot in mind.  It's insulting.
[17:33] <canthus13> thafreak: Oh? I maxed out my connection with the torrent. (3.6Mbyte/sec)
[17:34] <canthus13> Actually enabling compiz on the classic version breaks window decorations. :(
[17:34] <canthus13> I swear it's like they're making standard gnome intolerable on purpose.
[17:37] <canthus13> ..And apparently, enabling compiz in classic breaks unity.
[17:53] <deejoe> canthus13: it wasn't until I saw the release announcement that I *got* what they're trying for with Unity.
[17:53] <deejoe> shows how much I've been paying attention, really.
[17:53] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[17:53] <deejoe> Derath-Srvr: ‽
[17:54] <Derath-Srvr> Can't say that I've really looked into unity yet...
[17:54] <deejoe> me neither
[17:54] <Derath-Srvr> So what are they trying to do with it?
[17:55] <deejoe> unify the experience across form factors
[17:55] <deejoe> or, at least, the software, if not the experience
[17:55] <Derath-Srvr> interesting
[17:55] <canthus13> deejoe: It's more like catering to the dumbest common denominator.
[17:56] <deejoe> I can see why they might *want* to do it, but it may end up being a quality experience like cutting down a tree with your Swiss Army Knife is a quality experience
[17:56] <canthus13> I can see where someone with zero computer experience would have an easy time of it, but it's sort of like how a barbie power wheel is easy to drive.
[17:57] <deejoe> canthus13: given that I'm writing you via a combination of gnome-terminal+screen+ssh+screen+irssi, I'm not sure the extent to which that wasn't already true with GNOME or KDE to begin with already.
[17:57]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[17:57] <Derath-Srvr> And I'm using Windows, putty, ssh, screen, irssi here lol
[17:58] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: Ew.  I use FreeNX to get to my machine at home and pretend windows isn't there. :)
[17:58] <canthus13> ...at which point I use gnome terminal to ssh into my server and recover irssi running in a screen session.
[17:59] <Derath-Srvr> canthus13: Problem is restrictive software policies at work...
[17:59] <canthus13> FreeNX has a portable version. :)
[17:59] <Derath-Srvr> Putty is a necessary tool, therefore allowed, FreeNX is not allowed on the network or pcs
[18:01] <Derath-Srvr> does someone have the details of the meeting handy on their screen at the moment?
[18:02] <Derath-Srvr> Location, time, etc?
[18:05] <Unit193> Columbus main library 3rd floor board room on Sunday May 1st from 1 pm to 5 pm.
[18:06] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: Try KiTTY if you have to use windows (Some features over PuTTY)
[18:07] <Derath-Srvr> Unit193: Again, software restrictions at work...
[18:07] <Derath-Srvr> Approved software only
[18:13] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, started my server-side torrent pull...
[18:14] <Derath-Srvr> Will have to move it to the webserver so I can download it here at work...
[18:17] <thafreak> Well, I don't think I'll be using unity at work, or on my main laptop, or my netbook...or on any of my virtual desktops (not that you could anyway)
[18:17] <thafreak> but the computer that I share with my wife, that I mainly just pull up a terminal or 12 on...and maybe an nx/vnc viewer....yeah I could see using it there
[18:18] <thafreak> hell, it would even be sorta nice on my netbook, if my netbook didn't suck...
[18:18] <thafreak> but I'm happy with crunchbang there :)
[18:20] <thafreak> Anyone ever use aria2? It's pretty slick...drop dead simple cli download tool...
[18:20] <thafreak> you can replace wget, bittorrent, etc with one tool...
[18:21] <thafreak> and you can give it multiple like http for ftp locations, and it will download from all the sources simultaneously...
[19:11] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, what's going on here... I thought someone said the install cd had Unity on it...
[19:13] <Unit193> It does... Ubuntu 11.04 has Unity
[19:13] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, I grabbed the 64b desktop, and I'm staring at gnome...
[19:14] <Derath-Srvr> is it only the 32b that is using it then?
[19:14] <Derath-Srvr> Or is it just the "installed" versions that are forcing unity?
[19:14] <Unit193> Is this in a VM?
[19:15] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah
[19:15] <Derath-Srvr> a very limited vm
[19:17] <Unit193> I'm not sure if a VM will run Unity?
[19:19]  * Unit193 doesn't know and has only seen screenshots of Un Unity
[19:20] <Derath-Srvr> only error I got: <tde>
[19:20] <Derath-Srvr> 		<copypastecell supported="true"/>
[19:21] <Derath-Srvr> 	</tde>Whoops...
[19:21] <Derath-Srvr> wrong one...
[19:21] <Derath-Srvr> SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade bios or use force_addr=0xaddr
[19:22] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: Unity requires 3d acceleration. it defaults to gnome without it.
[19:23] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: I got that with the older version of vbox. 4.0.6 doesn't seem to do it.
[19:23] <Derath-Srvr> So, I would need to install ubuntu, and load in the guest additions?
[19:25] <canthus13> Yep. and the guest additions don't work right until you install 4.0.6.  Looks like it was an emergency update that was put out early this mornign.
[19:26] <canthus13> (Which seems odd for oracle...)
[20:09] <Derath-Srvr> Alright, let's see if this worked to show the Unity desktop
[20:14] <Derath-Srvr> Interesting, there's a VirtualMachine kernel in the repos...
[20:14] <Derath-Srvr> for virtual appliances..
[20:14] <Unit193> Would it help in VirtualBox?
[20:15] <Derath-Srvr> unknown
[20:15] <Derath-Srvr> taking too long to pull down and try...
[20:15] <Derath-Srvr> But it also appears that gdm or unity is crashing at the moment..
[20:34] <Derath-Srvr> Interesting...
[20:36] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, I like some aspects of Unity, and there's some that I really dislike so far... granted only a quick look at the moment
[22:35] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: What are you thinking of Unity now?
[22:44] <canthus13> Murderous thoughts...
[22:46] <Cheri703> heh
[22:46] <Unit193> Should I try Unity...
[22:57] <canthus13> Sure. It'll give you a baseline for how to treat a user like a complete moron.
[23:26] <BiosElement> I find it funny that people are still shocked about apple's general location tracking
[23:26] <BiosElement> WHen Windows phones transmit your GPS coords directly to microsoft >.>