[02:34] <valorie> anyone interested in meeting up tomorrow night? 
[02:35] <valorie> at http://www.yelp.com/biz/proletariat-pizza-seattle-2
[02:35] <valorie> I asked on the list last night, but no replies yet
[02:36] <valorie> Salt androidbruce aVH-[e] c0nv1ct MJEvans seattlegaucho ubuntulo1_ zenrox
[02:36] <valorie> ?
[02:37] <zenrox> i cant drive 300 miles
[02:37] <zenrox> no gas
[02:47] <valorie> boo
[02:47] <valorie> call a party and I'll drive to you!
[02:47] <valorie> seriously, we should have some events in the east of the state
[02:48] <valorie> and south
[02:59] <zenrox> ya i will be living in moses lake area in the next 2 weeks
[03:00] <valorie> nice area
[03:01] <zenrox> not really
[03:01] <zenrox> its called moses hole for a reasion
[03:22] <valorie> heh
[03:22] <valorie> why are you moving there, then?
[03:23] <zenrox> dshs is screing me on the amount of cash i get and cant afford my rent
[03:24] <zenrox> so i am moving in with my wifes parents till i can go to school for truck driving
[03:24] <zenrox> and get off the states back
[03:29] <valorie> dshs.....grrr
[03:29] <valorie> not a fun dept. to deal with
[03:30] <zenrox> nope
[03:31] <zenrox> i was getting 336 then 225 now 197
[03:31] <zenrox> its the cutbacks
[03:36] <valorie> at least we aren't cutting out the poor and unemployed here to give tax breaks to the rich, like some of the states
[03:36] <valorie> it still sucks horribly to cut social programs and education
[03:37] <valorie> when really we need to raise taxes
[03:37] <valorie> stupid people of Washington!
[03:38] <zenrox> its not even that we just need to use all the money more effencently
[03:38] <zenrox> and washington is one of the most heavly taxed state allready
[03:38] <valorie> we've cut and cut and cut and cut
[03:39] <valorie> well, we have a horrible regressive tax system
[03:39] <valorie> we don't tax the rich at all
[03:39] <valorie> just the poor and middle class
[03:39] <zenrox> thay should tax the rich more
[03:39] <valorie> very bad tax system here -- all sales tax and property tax
[03:40] <zenrox> we dont have sales tax on food
[03:40] <valorie> but people keep voting down the income tax
[03:40] <valorie> over and over again
[03:40] <zenrox> but sails tax on everythang else
[03:40] <valorie> silly washingtonions
[03:40] <zenrox> we have an income tax
[03:40] <zenrox> and property
[03:42] <valorie> no state income tax
[03:43] <valorie> there is B&O on business, which is not a good tax
[03:43] <valorie> property, which is..... sort of OK
[03:43] <valorie> and sales
[03:43] <valorie> no income tax
[03:43] <valorie> and we need one, and lower the sales tax
[03:44] <valorie> it is a crime that kids in this state can't afford to attend at least community colleges
[03:44] <valorie> if not university!
[03:44] <valorie> whole damn country is going backwards
[03:44] <valorie> anyway, this is off-topic, and i'm sorry for ranting
[03:45] <zenrox> dont worrie about ranting i agree
[03:46] <valorie> we're logged, and I was off-topic
[03:46] <valorie> religion and politics aren't good in technical spaces
[03:46] <zenrox> no one is here to really get us in trubble
[03:46] <valorie> not very good for community
[03:47] <zenrox> i dont care about bing on or off topic
[03:47] <valorie> right, but we want people to be able to google us, and read the logs
[03:47] <valorie> I do
[03:47] <zenrox> hmm
[03:47] <zenrox> true
[03:47] <valorie> sec
[03:51] <zenrox> but i cant wate for the xubuntu natty 11.04
[03:59] <valorie> we've pretty much got it
[03:59] <valorie> in the dailies
[04:01] <zenrox> ya
[17:49] <seattlegaucho> valorie: what date?
[18:24] <Salt> nbr has been dropped, just grabbed the main image and will have it on the eee for linuxfest
[20:46] <valorie> tonight
[21:06] <androidbruce> anyone upgrade from 10.10?
[21:09] <zenrox> i did but it was a fresh install of 10.10
[21:15] <zenrox> i report no issues but i dont like unity it was nice in the terms of usabily but not something i liked so i switched to xubuntu
[21:34] <valorie> I'm backup up home right now in preparation of upgrade
[21:35] <valorie> but tht's kubuntu, of course
[21:35] <valorie> 60% done.....
[21:46] <seattlegaucho> not upgrading until a few weeks / couple of months go by
[21:46] <seattlegaucho> valorie: kubuntu f'd up the release and had a quick patch posted
[21:46] <valorie> interesting
[21:47] <valorie> haven't dipped into #kubuntu-devel yet
[21:47] <valorie> that would make me hold off, for sure
[21:47] <valorie> thanks for the tip
[21:47] <seattlegaucho> I got it from their twitter feed
[21:53] <Salt> valorie, due to the obvious popularity of the party tonight, i'm not gonna be able to make it myself
[21:54] <Salt> i can stop by
[21:54] <Salt> but i can't stay long
[21:56] <valorie> well, it sounds like no one wants a party
[21:57] <valorie> unless I have replies this morning.....
[21:57] <Salt> yeah
[21:57] <valorie> I'm not driving an hour to sit by myself
[21:57] <Salt> yeah
[21:57] <Salt> figured i'd let ya know :)
[21:58] <valorie> well, I'll see you Sat.
[21:58] <Salt> yeap
[23:30]  * seattlegaucho .oO( stupid KDE restarted on its own for no reason )
[23:31] <androidbruce> 10.10 is my best friend right now 
[23:32] <seattlegaucho> kubuntu had some disturbing tweets this morning
[23:32] <seattlegaucho> not upgrading for a while
[23:33] <zenrox> xubuntu is nice
[23:33] <seattlegaucho> zenrox: by the time I installed my preferred packages, I already would have enough KDE and/or Gnome in place that I'd rather go w/ the full desktop
[23:33] <valorie> well, I'm seeding all the kub's while I wait for my backup to finish
[23:34] <seattlegaucho> amarok & quassel are good examples
[23:34] <zenrox> xfce plays nice with all of gnome and kde
[23:34] <zenrox> also e17 is also fun to play with
[23:35] <seattlegaucho> yes, but kde packages start installing all the libraries ... which beats the purpose of using xfce -> thin
[23:35] <zenrox> only when you use a kde app
[23:35] <zenrox> and you can go thru and kill them after your done with it
[23:36] <seattlegaucho> which I do quite a bit since I like them :)
[23:36] <zenrox> a bit of a pain but a miner pain in the but
[23:36] <zenrox> i only use a few apps
[23:36] <zenrox> from kde
[23:37] <seattlegaucho> OTH I'm running on a i7 Quad w/ 8G of RAM and almost 1T of disk @ work ... so thin makes no sense :)
[23:37] <zenrox> true
[23:37] <seattlegaucho> and I didn't like xfce UI on my netbook
[23:37] <zenrox> but for a lappy like mine is does
[23:37] <zenrox> os[Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "natty" 11.04] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62 (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 2.7GB, 75.3% free] disk[Total: 229.2GB, 76.6% free] video[nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
[23:38] <seattlegaucho> I'm hoping KDE cleaned up their Netbook edition
[23:38] <androidbruce> the new xfce is cool 
[23:38] <androidbruce> nice to see it's not abandoned 
[23:38] <zenrox> androidbruce, agreed
[23:38] <androidbruce> im still a gnome fan 
[23:39] <seattlegaucho> I might try it as well ... I always run it first on a VM to get a feel ... then go for it
[23:39] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho: vm's ftw
[23:39] <zenrox> i dint like unity 
[23:39] <zenrox> i like my std menus
[23:39] <androidbruce> ehh unity is :/
[23:39] <seattlegaucho> androidbruce: I'm forced to use gnome on my netbook ... kde is too fat for it
[23:39] <androidbruce> it has potential 
[23:39] <androidbruce> kde is super fat 
[23:39] <androidbruce> and just..............bleh 
[23:39] <zenrox> unity was nice to use but it wasnt for me
[23:39] <seattlegaucho> kde has superior eye candy 
[23:40] <zenrox> kde allways was superfat
[23:40] <seattlegaucho> kde loads all the resources up front ... as opposed to gnome that loads them on demand
[23:40] <zenrox> not any more tho
[23:40] <zenrox> gnome is loading more at start up
[23:40] <seattlegaucho> with big apps I like kde's approach, although it has been buggy for years given its complexity
[23:40] <zenrox> now than it has bine
[23:41] <zenrox> i have bine wating for kde to clean up there source so it was a little more faster so to speek
[23:42] <seattlegaucho> they re-architect everything every now and then ... so it's pointless :/
[23:42] <zenrox> ya i know 
[23:43] <zenrox> but thare are allway more than one way to skin a cat
[23:44] <zenrox> but thats what linux is all about 
[23:44] <zenrox> pick what you like and use it
[23:45] <seattlegaucho> pretty much
[23:45] <zenrox> so eatch to there own
[23:46] <zenrox> thoes i am happy with what i am useing and it works the way i expect 
[23:46] <zenrox> only issue i am worried about with xfce is a gui menu editior like alacarte for gnome
[23:48] <valorie> KDE <3