[07:00] morning superfly and others [07:37] morning Kilos [07:47] good morning [07:48] mooning [07:48] morning #ubuntu-za how goes? [08:01] Good morning ;) [08:03] hmm... [08:03] good morning sakhi === Squirm2 is now known as Squirm [08:09] lo inetpro sakhi [08:09] hi Squirm [08:09] Kilos: hi [08:09] morning Kilos [08:20] . [08:20] mornings [08:24] morning nuvolari [08:25] is there an ETA for 11.04? [08:25] lo Squirm [08:34] lo nuvolari [08:35] lo oom Kilos [08:35] gaan dit goed? [08:35] ja dankie en self [08:39] dit gaan goed dankie oom [08:41] miskien sal n koppie koffie bietjie van die koue weg jaag [08:41] Maaz, coffee on [08:41] * Maaz washes some mugs [08:42] Maaz, koffie asseblief [08:42] Eish Kilos Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels. [08:42] hehe [08:44] nuvolari: patience! [08:45] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [08:45] Maaz, baie dankie [08:45] Plesier Kilos [09:56] guess it is going to be released today ? [10:07] hiya nlsthzn drubin [10:08] Hi Uncle Kilos :) === Squirm2 is now known as Squirm [10:12] guys, a few times I found a site with some sort of running commentarry for releases... step by step update of the process etc... anything like that for natty yet? [10:16] ok, ok... not all at once :p [10:34] hehe [10:36] nlsthzn: I use twitterfall to filter ubuntu, ubuntu released [10:36] I don't have anything else yet :P [10:38] nuvolari: thanks... I am using google real-time search myself... a bit quiet at the moment :) [10:45] looks like it'll be out soon now. I hope you're all in #ubuntu-release-party :) [10:51] anyone out there? [10:52] lo professorx [10:52] sup professorx [10:52] lo professorx [10:52] now i know how this works! [10:53] welocme [10:53] er [10:53] *welcome [10:53] from where are you? [10:53] will 11.04 not Beta only be available after today,I am frm JHB? [10:54] yes [10:54] Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal Released - See What`s New (Screenshots And Video) http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-1104-natty-narwhal-released-see.html [10:54] if you want to know when it will be released type /#ubuntu-release-party [10:54] it will be announced there [10:55] :O [10:56] :-) Thanks...Will i be an LTS [10:57] eh? [10:57] meant to say will this version be the Long term support version? [10:57] hmm, wonder when it wil be on ZA mirrors [10:59] professorx: no [10:59] methinks next lts is 12.04 [10:59] inetpro: not released yet [10:59] nuvolari: the mirrors should have it, but it's not released yet [11:00] tumbleweed: hmm... [11:02] ah [11:03] is this the real thing? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso [11:04] please don't hit cdimage hard. Use the normal release mirrors for CDs. [11:05] professorx: I think no decision to make the 12.04 release an LTS has been made yet but based on the schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS it should be the next LTS [11:06] professorx: in fact based on the schedule it 11.10 should be teh next LTS [11:06] eish... [11:06] professorx: in fact based on the schedule 11.10 should be the next LTS [11:07] no, 12.04 will be [11:07] tumbleweed: oops, you're right [11:08] * inetpro having a tough day at the office today :-( [11:09] * inetpro should learn to read, think twice and read again before posting [11:11] lol [11:12] gets kinda hard to do that at times [11:12] you cant keep up then [11:14] great stuff,11.04 look great,will definitley explore it in depth.thanks guys! [11:14] professorx, visit more often [11:23] will do! [11:24] :) [11:28] we serve coffee and give weather reports as well [11:29] courtesy of our friendly bot [11:29] Maaz, coffee on [11:29] * Maaz washes some mugs [11:29] Maaz, coffee for all [11:29] Sure thing Kilos... Hey guy's!! Bring your mugs. I am tired of doing all the dishes on my own. [11:30] yeai!!! [11:30] haha [11:31] sweet [11:31] more coffee [11:31] nlsthzn, ask him now [11:31] Maaz: coffee please [11:31] nlsthzn: Done [11:32] maaz, coffee please [11:32] queery: Done [11:32] yay now i wont be accused of grabbing a cup on my own [11:32] hehe [11:32] true [11:33] Maaz, with cremora [11:33] Ah! At last someone with taste [11:33] Maaz, and milk [11:33] Now you're talking [11:33] Coffee's ready for Kilos, nlsthzn and queery! [11:33] Maaz, ty [11:33] You're Welcome I'm sure [11:33] Maaz: ty [11:33] You're Welcome I'm sure [11:36] maaz, thank you [11:36] queery: No problem [11:39] Kilos: since you are our resident diy hero, what material should I use to insulate outside hot water pipes in order to drive down energy and costs? [11:39] um [11:39] [] [11:39] er [11:40] pipe it through grep and use only what you need [11:40] we used to wrap them with hessian bags] [11:40] Kilos: yikes [11:40] lol [11:41] there must be some modern foam kinda stuff you can use nowadays [11:41] or a silicon based product [11:42] yeah I googled and found foam stuff but am worried about our african sun burning the stuff off quickly [11:43] * inetpro should perhaps go and pay a visit to builders warehouse or such place [11:43] shouldnt inetpro it turns out like polystyrene [11:43] yeah they should know [11:43] inetpro: yes *pay* a visit to builder's warehouse [11:43] you'll pay, that's for sure [11:43] eish [11:44] inetpro: try a mica or something [11:44] well I'll find out first and then shop around [11:44] they're cheaper [11:44] you lika mica [11:44] no rush but seriously want to do something and see the results asap [11:45] the monthly electricity bill is getting ridiculous [11:45] they even advertise special blankets for the geysers too now on the idiot box [11:46] thats because they pushing the price up [11:46] swines [11:46] Kilos: those are actually quite cheap IMHO [11:46] inetpro: do you switch the geyser off and on, or is it on the whole time? [11:47] noticed a geyser blanket this weekend soemwhere at below R400 [11:47] superfly: it's on permanently [11:47] also, do you do simple things that switch off lights behind you? [11:47] you get timers that you can set when you want it to turn on as well [11:47] but we have a fair bit of pipes running outside [11:48] the water to the kitchen takes a while to get hot [11:48] so I'm guessing that it might help [11:48] inetpro: yeah, if you switch off and on at appropriate times, you'll see it also helps reduce the electricity usage [11:48] the pipes only steal heat when the tap is opened [11:49] you can also look into installing a small geyser for kitchen use [11:50] if it's relatively cheap I'll insulate the pipes and see the effect and later get a geyser blanket and see the effect [11:50] not sure whether the geyser blanket will even help [11:50] ok good luck [11:50] with our geyser inside the roof [11:51] go into the ceiling onna cold night and feel the temp [11:51] Kilos: good point, I should do that [11:51] it gets cold up there [11:54] we actually had a long role of black plastic pipe above the kitchen many years ago and the sun makes it hot enough to wash dishes [11:56] but up here where the temp gets below freezing at times the pipe might burst [12:02] hi everyone [12:04] hi plustwo_ [12:04] hi oom [12:05] lol [12:08] #ubuntu-release-party is the craziest channel to be at right now [12:08] lol [12:08] yup [12:08] first time i see such happiness on irc... :-) [12:09] so much merriment without alcohol... [12:10] lol [12:10] and now the channel is moderated: the silence before the stom... [12:10] storm even [12:11] now everyone chatting via nick changes :p [12:11] eish! that dude is a bad player, just silenced the room? [12:13] ? [12:13] have you ever ran a channel? [12:25] cant keep up with the release channel [12:25] don't know how tsimpson does it [12:25] but learned something new here today [12:26] heh [12:27] with xchat you right click on #ubuntu-release-party and get the option to join the channel [12:37] mad house that channel [12:39] kicked the power out on my lappy (no battery in at the moment) :/ [12:39] eish [12:40] dont pop your charger as well [12:40] that would be sad (but then I get to use the back-up I bought) :p [12:41] should never run lappy without battery [12:42] eish so many bannings [12:42] Kilos: better to run lappy without battery when always on mains [12:43] oh you on mains full time [12:43] Kilos: when home [12:43] ah [12:44] dunno how one follows who is saying what to who [12:44] much to quick for me [12:45] lol even a big dog there [12:55] Welcome to Ubuntu 11.04 'Natty Narwhal' [12:55] The Ubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 11.04 'Natty Narwhal'. [12:55] To see what's new in this release, visit: [12:55] I gave up [12:55] that popped up when I got home [13:22] HELLO ;) [13:24] I just had the worst revelation: tomorrow is a normal workday [13:26] ouch [13:26] today is too [13:28] Symmetria, is tenet hosting ubuntu 11.04? and where? [13:34] http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/11.04/ [13:34] but it's not the 11.04 release yet [13:35] ok cool [13:35] thanx [13:35] Maaz: dns for za.releases.ubuntu.com [13:35] cocooncrash: Records: 155.232.191.228 [13:35] Guiz, just use the official name. [13:36] tenet is free to dl from [13:36] hehe [13:36] queery: That is TENET most of the time (unless it's broken). [13:36] cocooncrash: but if it is broken... then they pay out their bums for the downloads [13:36] Fair enough. [13:36] it is better to let it fail hard and fast. :) [13:37] queery: How is TENET free? [13:37] varsity do not charge us for mirrors.ac.za [13:37] Ah, nice [13:37] but like drubin [13:38] said [13:38] if it's broken we pay [13:38] whoot! it's updated [13:39] what? [14:14] this sucks... You have to download a total of 1556M. [14:16] 2067M here ;P [14:18] ill wait for the party [14:18] want gnome 3 not unity though [14:23] how can they fit that onto a cd? [14:25] nuvolari, Owkkuri are those the image sizes [14:25] prob dvd iso or upgrades [14:25] must be dvd at least [14:25] but then they coulf fit a couple g more [14:26] Kilos: that's doing dist upgrade [14:26] wow [14:26] I'll never have time to do this machine from fresh [14:27] aside from replacing it :P [14:27] no wonder shipit closed [14:27] what about getting it onto cd at the [14:27] um [14:28] those things at the varsities [14:28] freedom toasters [14:29] onto dvd rather [14:30] Kilos: it's for a dist-upgrade [14:30] no image :/ [14:31] I am downloading the alternate disc though [14:31] oh directly onto maverick [14:31] what size nuvolari [14:31] Kilos: ~700 mb [14:32] ah thats closer to normal [14:32] what is the link for the iso please. ian wants to get it tomorrow if he gets his pc back [14:33] and nuvolari when you have installed let me know the size of the updates please so i can tell him [14:35] Kilos: http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-alternate-amd64.iso [14:35] whats the amd [14:36] what about 32bit [14:36] we got old pc's [14:38] oh we would go for this ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso hey? [14:38] at this link http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/11.04/ [14:41] ye, I tried the zsync route, but that didn't work for me [14:44] maybe i just stay on maverick [14:46] and ask if anyone that goes to a release party will post me 2 cds [14:51] hello i am trying to setup a home gateway/router, i am running ubuntu 10.04 server, i have 2 NICs eth1 dials PPPoE to mweb, and eth0 goes to a switch. I have setup DHCP on eth0 to dish out IPs to clients plugged into the switch. [14:51] from the server i can ping out to internet locations, and i can also ping clients on the switch [14:52] from clients i can ping the server [14:52] however, from the clients i can ping internet locations, ie i can't get past the gateway [14:52] i have followed many tutorials and howto's - withouth much luck [14:53] my question is: what do i need to setup in order to make it all work? portforwarding?ip masquerading? dns forwarding? [14:53] sorry for spamming, should of been on one line! [14:53] from clients i CANT ping internet locations [15:07] jubei_: Have you configured NAT and enabled IP forwarding? [15:08] `cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` to check the latter (should be 1) [16:06] lo all [16:06] everything ok with mirror.ac.za with the release? [16:19] Symmetria: late :-P [16:21] not as late as IS though [16:21] 200KB/s - a bit slow [16:23] ETA 30min [16:32] Symmetria: you could kick debian.mirror.ac.za for me :) [16:32] tumbleweed it giving you issues? [16:33] it's been out of sync for > 10 days [16:33] *HRM* lemme check [16:36] Symmetria: thanks [16:36] there [16:36] should be in sync again [16:36] can you check it for me? [16:38] Symmetria: can't right now, but it looks better [16:43] * drubin resubmits requests for loco-cd's [16:43] original request was lost in forms.canonical.com [16:44] heh I threw mirror.ac.za into the torrent swarm for all the natty iso's [16:44] not a huge amount of traffic but *shrug* [17:07] "I can confirm that your order went through now :) [17:07] " [17:37] I've got the dvds up for the new ubuntu release now on ubuntu.mirror.ac.za [17:37] under cdimages [17:38] so Symmetria are you attending any of the release parties? [17:39] queery doubtful, my time is kinda limited lately :( [17:39] root@mirror:/diskspace3/ubuntu# netstat -na |grep -c ESTABLISHED [17:39] 1183 [17:39] heh [17:39] damn thats a lot of established connections [17:41] don't you want some ubuntu cake? [17:41] or are you not in Capetown area? [17:42] heh Im in capetown, but as I said, time is very very limited :) [17:42] aw ok :-( [17:44] hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS, from the server i use eth1 to dial PPPoE to router and can ping out to internet from server. I use eth0 to switch to give access to client PC's. from the clients i can be assigned dhcp from server and can ping the server. however i cannot ping the internet, the server is blocking requests(?). i have setup [17:44] packet-forwarding=1 and have put some rules into iptables, but i think i messed up the iptables rules... could someone inspect the iptables rules, this is 1st time im doing it, and let me know what they think? - http://paste.ubuntu.com/600339/ [17:46] jubei1: the best solution is to use a sed solution [17:47] I usually use Arno's IP Tables Firewall, but there are others tooo [17:48] waht is a sed solution? [17:48] i have webmin installed? [17:49] sorry, not a sed solution, a firewall solution [17:49] (keyboard issues) [17:49] hmm seems like cheating... [17:50] my problem is that i dont understanding enough networking and routing [17:50] would really like to understand and use iptables [17:51] do you know how to configure iptables? [17:53] no, that's why I use a firewall [17:55] ok thanks for trying :) [17:55] routing is pretty simple, if you know how IP addresses work [17:58] superfly: iptables is not (part of) a firewall? [17:58] inetpro: firewalls is/are iptables [17:58] ] [17:59] if my understanding is correct, its probably a program/scripts which configure iptables .. ? [17:59] yes [17:59] jubei1: I would start by disabling iptables [17:59] that way you can isolate your issue [17:59] hmmm i saw the command to do that, i should probably try it and see what happens [17:59] yeah thats a good idea [18:00] Reason 1104 why I love Ubuntu - You can upgrade the server you have no physical access to, to the latest release through ssh with minimal effort/strain :-) [18:00] * inetpro wbb [18:11] inetpro: i tried to find a command to disable iptables, do you know it? [18:21] jubei1: I did this *years* ago, but it hasn't actually changed much since then (other than you can now find Arno's IP Tables Firewall in the Ubuntu repositories): http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2007/01/01/howto-ubuntu-home-lan-server [18:45] jubei_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo [18:48] superfly: did you eventually upgrade to Natty? [18:51] inetpro: I've been running Natty since the betas [18:51] superfly: and how's it cooking? [18:51] bye [18:51] maaz, cheers [18:51] May the force be with you queery [18:51] inetpro: it's great, stable, no problems [18:52] queery: good night [18:52] gnyte [18:53] superfly: I see some unhappiness amongst the ubuntu folk and unity [18:53] inetpro: indeed, as was to be expected [18:53] sure [18:53] I'm still happy as a clam on Kubuntu [18:55] * inetpro should perhaps get a complete repository from someone and do the upgrade [19:27] whatever happened to walterl guys [19:28] Kilos: he went to go work for the enemy [19:28] aw [19:28] he coulda still kept ubuntu at home [19:28] he had a nice fast setup there [19:29] thats so sad [19:29] hate the idea of anyone leaving linux for the sucks team [19:30] Maaz, swear at walterl [19:30] dickbliksem damn shitlapping whoreshitting crapping hellfucking fucking fathercrapping cuntbuggering godshitting poesshitting fathervokken hoercrapping naiierwanking bliksemwanking walterl! [19:30] hehe [19:30] dirty mouthed bot [19:31] Maaz, sis [19:31] Kilos: Sorry... [19:35] ja, we don't ask Maaz to swear [19:35] his mouth can be dirtier than a sailor's [19:37] whew [20:05] will the alternate cd upgrade from karmic or only maverick please guys [20:06] trying to decide what ian must download [20:12] Kilos: the only upgrades that skip releases are the LTS upgrades [20:12] the rest you have to upgrade release to release [20:12] ah ty superfly he must just get the iso then === panfriedsid is now known as panfriedsidh === panfriedsidh is now known as panfriedsid [22:12] maybe he ubuntu designers must think about adding usb-modeswitch into the basic package on the cd [22:13] ian is trying to install his usb modem in wine [22:13] on karmic still [22:13] but his fone was stolen so no connection [22:13] Kilos: karmic is almost as old as you, why are you still using it? [22:14] ian is his pc was with another guy [22:14] lol [22:14] cheeky hey [22:14] :-D [22:14] lol [22:15] but really. it usb-modeswitch was added to nm it would save lotsa peeps probs i think [22:16] because without your internet connection you are stumped [22:16] Kilos: ModemManager does use usb-modeswitch [22:16] in karmic cocooncrash [22:16] It all Just Works for me. [22:16] Upgrade :P [22:16] cocooncrash: in the newer releases a lot more modems work without modeswitch [22:16] but in karmic they don't [22:16] superfly: Ah, nice [22:17] his pc was outa his hands for a long time [22:17] oh thats good to know [22:17] Kilos: see if you can get some CDs and upgrade (maybe inetpro can help) [22:17] Kilos: if not, let me know and I'll post you all the CDs you need [22:17] maybe he can then install modem in wine and get naty and install that [22:18] he is in natty [22:18] lol [22:18] sorry [22:19] he is in rustenburg [22:19] Kilos: usb-modeswitch is 2 small packages, and I think it needs maybe 1 other package [22:19] yeah but you need to be connected to download them [22:21] wish he was here [22:21] Kilos: is there no way he can go to a friend's computer and download them there? [22:21] i will ask him. he is on mxit on fone [22:21] but he just got home from fetching the pc [22:23] i would be very grateful if you can post me 2 natty cds after the party please superfly [22:24] Kilos: I don't have any pressed CDs, and I don't know if I'm going to the release party, but which CDs do you want? 1x Desktop and 1x Alternate? [22:24] I have uncapped, I can download anything you want [22:25] lol [22:25]