[07:00] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[07:37] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:47] <inetpro> good morning 
[07:48] <sakhi> mooning
[07:48] <sakhi> morning #ubuntu-za how goes?
[08:01] <Blondi> Good morning  ;)
[08:03] <inetpro> hmm... 
[08:03] <inetpro> good morning sakhi
[08:09] <Kilos> lo inetpro sakhi 
[08:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[08:09] <inetpro> Kilos: hi
[08:09] <Squirm> morning Kilos 
[08:20] <nuvolari> .
[08:20] <nuvolari> mornings
[08:24] <Squirm> morning nuvolari 
[08:25] <nuvolari> is there an ETA for 11.04?
[08:25] <nuvolari> lo Squirm 
[08:34] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[08:35] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos 
[08:35] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed?
[08:35] <Kilos> ja dankie en self
[08:39] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom
[08:41] <Kilos> miskien sal n koppie koffie bietjie van die koue weg jaag
[08:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:41]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:42] <Kilos> Maaz, koffie asseblief
[08:42] <Maaz> Eish Kilos  Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels.
[08:42] <Kilos> hehe
[08:44] <inetpro> nuvolari: patience!
[08:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:45] <Kilos> Maaz, baie dankie
[08:45] <Maaz> Plesier Kilos
[09:56] <drubin> guess it is going to be released today ?
[10:07] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn drubin 
[10:08] <nlsthzn> Hi Uncle Kilos :)
[10:12] <nlsthzn> guys, a few times I found a site with some sort of running commentarry for releases... step by step update of the process etc... anything like that for natty yet?
[10:16] <nlsthzn> ok, ok... not all at once :p
[10:34] <Kilos> hehe
[10:36] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: I use twitterfall to filter ubuntu, ubuntu released
[10:36] <nuvolari> I don't have anything else yet :P
[10:38] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: thanks... I am using google real-time search myself... a bit quiet at the moment :)
[10:45] <tumbleweed> looks like it'll be out soon now. I hope you're all in #ubuntu-release-party :)
[10:51] <professorx> anyone out there?
[10:52] <nuvolari> lo professorx 
[10:52] <queery> sup professorx 
[10:52] <Kilos> lo professorx 
[10:52] <professorx> now i know how this works!
[10:53] <nuvolari> welocme
[10:53] <nuvolari> er
[10:53] <nuvolari> *welcome
[10:53] <nuvolari> from where are you?
[10:53] <professorx> will 11.04 not Beta only be available after today,I am frm JHB?
[10:54] <queery> yes
[10:54] <inetpro> Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal Released - See What`s New (Screenshots And Video) http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-1104-natty-narwhal-released-see.html
[10:54] <queery> if you want to know when it will be released type /#ubuntu-release-party
[10:54] <queery> it will be announced there
[10:55] <nuvolari> :O
[10:56] <professorx> :-) Thanks...Will i be an LTS
[10:57] <nuvolari> eh?
[10:57] <professorx> meant to say will this version be the Long term support version?
[10:57] <nuvolari> hmm, wonder when it wil be on ZA mirrors
[10:59] <inetpro> professorx: no
[10:59] <Kilos> methinks next lts is 12.04
[10:59] <tumbleweed> inetpro: not released yet
[10:59] <tumbleweed> nuvolari: the mirrors should have it, but it's not released yet
[11:00] <inetpro> tumbleweed: hmm... 
[11:02] <nuvolari> ah
[11:03] <nuvolari> is this the real thing? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso 
[11:04] <tumbleweed> please don't hit cdimage hard. Use the normal release mirrors for CDs.
[11:05] <inetpro> professorx: I think no decision to make the 12.04 release an LTS has been made yet but based on the schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS it should be the next LTS
[11:06] <inetpro> professorx: in fact based on the schedule it 11.10 should be teh next LTS
[11:06] <inetpro> eish...
[11:06] <inetpro> professorx: in fact based on the schedule 11.10 should be the next LTS
[11:07] <tumbleweed> no, 12.04 will be
[11:07] <inetpro> tumbleweed: oops, you're right
[11:08]  * inetpro having a tough day at the office today :-(
[11:09]  * inetpro should learn to read, think twice and read again before posting
[11:11] <Kilos> lol
[11:12] <Kilos> gets kinda hard to do that at times
[11:12] <Kilos> you cant keep up then
[11:14] <professorx> great stuff,11.04 look great,will definitley explore it in depth.thanks guys!
[11:14] <Kilos> professorx, visit more often
[11:23] <professorx> will do!
[11:24] <nlsthzn> :)
[11:28] <Kilos> we serve coffee and give weather reports as well
[11:29] <Kilos> courtesy of our friendly bot
[11:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:29]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[11:29] <Maaz> Sure thing Kilos... Hey guy's!!  Bring your mugs. I am tired of doing all the dishes on my own.
[11:30] <queery> yeai!!!
[11:30] <queery> haha
[11:31] <nlsthzn> sweet
[11:31] <nlsthzn> more coffee
[11:31] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ask him now
[11:31] <nlsthzn> Maaz: coffee please
[11:31] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Done
[11:32] <queery> maaz, coffee please
[11:32] <Maaz> queery: Done
[11:32] <Kilos> yay now i wont be accused of grabbing a cup on my own
[11:32] <queery> hehe
[11:32] <queery> true
[11:33] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[11:33] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[11:33] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[11:33] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[11:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, nlsthzn and queery!
[11:33] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[11:33] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[11:33] <nlsthzn> Maaz: ty
[11:33] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[11:36] <queery> maaz, thank you
[11:36] <Maaz> queery: No problem
[11:39] <inetpro> Kilos: since you are our resident diy hero, what material should I use to insulate outside hot water pipes in order to drive down energy and costs?
[11:39] <Kilos> um
[11:39] <queery> []
[11:39] <Kilos> er
[11:40] <queery> pipe it through grep and use only what you need
[11:40] <Kilos> we used to wrap them with hessian bags]
[11:40] <inetpro> Kilos: yikes
[11:40] <Kilos> lol
[11:41] <Kilos> there must be some modern foam kinda stuff you can use nowadays
[11:41] <Kilos> or a silicon based product
[11:42] <inetpro> yeah I googled and found foam stuff but am worried about our african sun burning the stuff off quickly
[11:43]  * inetpro should perhaps go and pay a visit to builders warehouse or such place
[11:43] <Kilos> shouldnt inetpro  it turns out like polystyrene
[11:43] <Kilos> yeah they should know
[11:43] <superfly> inetpro: yes *pay* a visit to builder's warehouse
[11:43] <superfly> you'll pay, that's for sure
[11:43] <inetpro> eish
[11:44] <superfly> inetpro: try a mica or something
[11:44] <inetpro> well I'll find out first and then shop around
[11:44] <superfly> they're cheaper
[11:44] <Kilos> you lika mica
[11:44] <inetpro> no rush but seriously want to do something and see the results asap
[11:45] <inetpro> the monthly electricity bill is getting ridiculous 
[11:45] <Kilos> they even advertise special blankets for the geysers too now on the idiot box
[11:46] <Kilos> thats because they pushing the price up
[11:46] <Kilos> swines
[11:46] <inetpro> Kilos: those are actually quite cheap IMHO
[11:46] <superfly> inetpro: do you switch the geyser off and on, or is it on the whole time?
[11:47] <inetpro> noticed a geyser blanket this weekend soemwhere at below R400
[11:47] <inetpro> superfly: it's on permanently
[11:47] <superfly> also, do you do simple things that switch off lights behind you?
[11:47] <Kilos> you get timers that you can set when you want it to turn on as well
[11:47] <inetpro> but we have a fair bit of pipes running outside
[11:48] <inetpro> the water to the kitchen takes a while to get hot
[11:48] <inetpro> so I'm guessing that it might help
[11:48] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, if you switch off and on at appropriate times, you'll see it also helps reduce the electricity usage
[11:48] <Kilos> the pipes only steal heat when the tap is opened
[11:49] <Kilos> you can also look into installing a small geyser for kitchen use
[11:50] <inetpro> if it's relatively cheap I'll insulate the pipes and see the effect and later get a geyser blanket and see the effect
[11:50] <inetpro> not sure whether the geyser blanket will even help
[11:50] <Kilos> ok good luck
[11:50] <inetpro> with our geyser inside the roof
[11:51] <Kilos> go into the ceiling onna cold night and feel the temp
[11:51] <inetpro> Kilos: good point, I should do that
[11:51] <Kilos> it gets cold up there
[11:54] <Kilos> we actually had a long role of black plastic pipe above the kitchen many years ago and the sun makes it hot enough to wash dishes
[11:56] <Kilos> but up here where the temp gets below freezing at times the pipe might burst
[12:02] <plustwo_> hi everyone
[12:04] <Kilos> hi plustwo_ 
[12:04] <plustwo_> hi oom
[12:05] <Kilos> lol
[12:08] <plustwo_> #ubuntu-release-party is the craziest channel to be at right now
[12:08] <nlsthzn> lol
[12:08] <nlsthzn> yup
[12:08] <plustwo_> first time i see such happiness on irc... :-) 
[12:09] <nlsthzn> so much merriment without alcohol...
[12:10] <plustwo_> lol
[12:10] <tumbleweed> and now the channel is moderated: the silence before the stom...
[12:10] <tumbleweed> storm even
[12:11] <nlsthzn> now everyone chatting via nick changes :p
[12:11] <plustwo_> eish! that dude is a bad player, just silenced the room?
[12:13] <froztbyte> ?
[12:13] <froztbyte> have you ever ran a channel?
[12:25] <Kilos> cant keep up with the release channel
[12:25] <tumbleweed> don't know how tsimpson does it
[12:25] <Kilos> but learned something new here today
[12:26] <plustwo_> heh
[12:27] <Kilos> with xchat you right click on #ubuntu-release-party  and get the option to join the channel
[12:37] <Kilos> mad house that channel
[12:39] <nlsthzn> kicked the power out on my lappy (no battery in at the moment) :/
[12:39] <Kilos> eish
[12:40] <Kilos> dont pop your charger as well
[12:40] <nlsthzn> that would be sad (but then I get to use the back-up I bought) :p
[12:41] <Kilos> should never run lappy without battery
[12:42] <Kilos> eish so many bannings
[12:42] <nlsthzn> Kilos: better to run lappy without battery when always on mains
[12:43] <Kilos> oh you on mains full time
[12:43] <nlsthzn> Kilos: when home
[12:43] <Kilos> ah
[12:44] <Kilos> dunno how one follows who is saying what to who
[12:44] <Kilos> much to quick for me
[12:45] <Kilos> lol even a big dog there
[12:55] <Squirm> Welcome to Ubuntu 11.04 'Natty Narwhal'
[12:55] <Squirm> The Ubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 11.04 'Natty Narwhal'.
[12:55] <Squirm> To see what's new in this release, visit:
[12:55] <nlsthzn> I gave up
[12:55] <Squirm> that popped up when I got home
[13:22] <Blondi> HELLO ;)
[13:24] <nuvolari> I just had the worst revelation: tomorrow is a normal workday
[13:26] <Squirm> ouch
[13:26] <Squirm> today is too
[13:28] <queery> Symmetria, is tenet hosting ubuntu 11.04?  and where?
[13:34] <nuvolari> http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/11.04/
[13:34] <nuvolari> but it's not the 11.04 release yet
[13:35] <queery> ok cool
[13:35] <queery> thanx
[13:35] <cocooncrash> Maaz: dns for za.releases.ubuntu.com
[13:35] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Records: 155.232.191.228
[13:35] <cocooncrash> Guiz, just use the official name.
[13:36] <queery> tenet is free to dl from
[13:36] <queery> hehe
[13:36] <cocooncrash> queery: That is TENET most of the time (unless it's broken).
[13:36] <drubin> cocooncrash: but if it is broken... then they pay out their bums for the downloads
[13:36] <cocooncrash> Fair enough.
[13:36] <drubin> it is better to let it fail hard and fast. :)
[13:37] <cocooncrash> queery: How is TENET free?
[13:37] <queery> varsity do not charge us for mirrors.ac.za
[13:37] <cocooncrash> Ah, nice
[13:37] <queery> but like drubin 
[13:38] <queery> said
[13:38] <queery> if it's broken we pay
[13:38] <nuvolari> whoot! it's updated
[13:39] <queery> what?
[14:14] <nuvolari> this sucks... You have to download a total of 1556M.
[14:16] <Owkkuri> 2067M here ;P
[14:18] <queery> ill wait for the party
[14:18] <queery> want gnome 3 not unity though
[14:23] <Kilos> how can they fit that onto a cd?
[14:25] <Kilos> nuvolari, Owkkuri are those the image sizes
[14:25] <queery> prob dvd iso or upgrades
[14:25] <Kilos> must  be dvd at least
[14:25] <Kilos> but then they coulf fit a couple g more 
[14:26] <Owkkuri> Kilos: that's doing dist upgrade
[14:26] <Kilos> wow
[14:26] <Owkkuri> I'll never have time to do this machine from fresh
[14:27] <Owkkuri> aside from replacing it :P
[14:27] <Kilos> no wonder shipit closed
[14:27] <Kilos> what about getting it onto cd at the
[14:27] <Kilos> um
[14:28] <Kilos> those things at the varsities
[14:28] <Kilos> freedom toasters
[14:29] <Kilos> onto dvd rather
[14:30] <nuvolari> Kilos: it's for a dist-upgrade
[14:30] <nuvolari> no image :/
[14:31] <nuvolari> I am downloading the alternate disc though
[14:31] <Kilos> oh directly onto maverick
[14:31] <Kilos> what size nuvolari 
[14:31] <nuvolari> Kilos: ~700 mb
[14:32] <Kilos> ah thats closer to normal
[14:32] <Kilos> what is the link for the iso please. ian wants to get it tomorrow if he gets his pc back
[14:33] <Kilos> and nuvolari when you have installed let me know the size of the updates please so i can tell him
[14:35] <nuvolari> Kilos: http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[14:35] <Kilos> whats the amd
[14:36] <Kilos> what about 32bit
[14:36] <Kilos> we got old pc's
[14:38] <Kilos> oh we would go for this ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso hey?
[14:38] <Kilos> at this link  http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/11.04/
[14:41] <nuvolari> ye, I tried the zsync route, but that didn't work for me
[14:44] <Kilos> maybe i just stay on maverick
[14:46] <Kilos> and ask if anyone that goes to a release party will post me 2 cds
[14:51] <jubei_> hello i am trying to setup a home gateway/router, i am running ubuntu 10.04 server, i have 2 NICs eth1  dials PPPoE to mweb, and eth0 goes to a switch. I have setup DHCP on eth0 to dish out IPs to clients plugged into the switch.
[14:51] <jubei_> from the server i can ping out to internet locations, and i can also ping clients on the switch
[14:52] <jubei_> from clients i can ping the server
[14:52] <jubei_> however, from the clients i can ping internet locations, ie i can't get past the gateway
[14:52] <jubei_> i have followed many tutorials and howto's - withouth much luck
[14:53] <jubei_> my question is: what do i need to setup in order to make it all work? portforwarding?ip masquerading? dns forwarding?
[14:53] <jubei_> sorry for spamming, should of been on one line!
[14:53] <jubei_> from clients i CANT ping internet locations
[15:07] <cocooncrash> jubei_: Have you configured NAT and enabled IP forwarding?
[15:08] <cocooncrash> `cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` to check the latter (should be 1)
[16:06] <Symmetria> lo all
[16:06] <Symmetria> everything ok with mirror.ac.za with the release?
[16:19] <superfly> Symmetria: late :-P
[16:21] <superfly> not as late as IS though
[16:21] <superfly> 200KB/s - a bit slow
[16:23] <nuvolari> ETA 30min
[16:32] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: you could kick debian.mirror.ac.za for me :)
[16:32] <Symmetria> tumbleweed it giving you issues?
[16:33] <tumbleweed> it's been out of sync for > 10 days
[16:33] <Symmetria> *HRM* lemme check
[16:36] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: thanks
[16:36] <Symmetria> there
[16:36] <Symmetria> should be in sync again
[16:36] <Symmetria> can you check it for me?
[16:38] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: can't right now, but it looks better
[16:43]  * drubin resubmits requests for loco-cd's
[16:43] <drubin> original request was lost in forms.canonical.com
[16:44] <Symmetria> heh I threw mirror.ac.za into the torrent swarm for all the natty iso's
[16:44] <Symmetria> not a huge amount of traffic but *shrug*
[17:07] <drubin> "I can confirm that your order went through now :)
[17:07] <drubin> "
[17:37] <Symmetria> I've got the dvds up for the new ubuntu release now on ubuntu.mirror.ac.za
[17:37] <Symmetria> under cdimages
[17:38] <queery> so Symmetria are you attending any of the release parties?
[17:39] <Symmetria> queery doubtful, my time is kinda limited lately :(
[17:39] <Symmetria> root@mirror:/diskspace3/ubuntu# netstat -na |grep -c ESTABLISHED
[17:39] <Symmetria> 1183
[17:39] <Symmetria> heh
[17:39] <Symmetria> damn thats a lot of established connections
[17:41] <queery> don't you want some ubuntu cake?
[17:41] <queery> or are you not in Capetown area?
[17:42] <Symmetria> heh Im in capetown, but as I said, time is very very limited :)
[17:42] <queery> aw ok :-(
[17:44] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS, from the server i use eth1 to dial PPPoE to router and can ping out to internet from server. I use eth0 to switch to give access to client PC's. from the clients i can be assigned dhcp from server and can ping the server. however i cannot ping the internet, the server is blocking requests(?). i have setup 
[17:44] <jubei1> packet-forwarding=1 and have put some rules into iptables, but i think i messed up the iptables rules... could someone inspect the iptables rules, this is 1st time im doing it, and let me know what they think? - http://paste.ubuntu.com/600339/
[17:46] <superfly> jubei1: the best solution is to use a sed solution
[17:47] <superfly> I usually use Arno's IP Tables Firewall, but there are others tooo
[17:48] <jubei1> waht is a sed solution?
[17:48] <jubei1> i have webmin installed?
[17:49] <superfly> sorry, not a sed solution, a firewall solution
[17:49] <superfly> (keyboard issues)
[17:49] <jubei1> hmm seems like cheating...
[17:50] <jubei1> my problem is that i dont understanding enough networking and routing
[17:50] <jubei1> would really like to understand and use iptables
[17:51] <jubei1> do you know how to configure iptables?
[17:53] <superfly> no, that's why I use a firewall
[17:55] <jubei1> ok thanks for trying :)
[17:55] <superfly> routing is pretty simple, if you know how IP addresses work
[17:58] <inetpro> superfly: iptables is not (part of) a firewall?
[17:58] <superfly> inetpro: firewalls is/are iptables
[17:58] <superfly> ]
[17:59] <jubei1> if my understanding is correct, its probably a program/scripts which configure iptables .. ?
[17:59] <superfly> yes
[17:59] <inetpro> jubei1: I would start by disabling iptables
[17:59] <inetpro> that way you can isolate your issue
[17:59] <jubei1> hmmm i saw the command to do that, i should probably try it and see what happens
[17:59] <jubei1> yeah thats a good idea
[18:00] <rverrips> Reason 1104 why I love Ubuntu - You can upgrade the server you have no physical access to, to the latest release through ssh with minimal effort/strain :-)
[18:00]  * inetpro wbb
[18:11] <jubei1> inetpro: i tried to find a command to disable iptables, do you know it?
[18:21] <superfly> jubei1: I did this *years* ago, but it hasn't actually changed much since then (other than you can now find Arno's IP Tables Firewall in the Ubuntu repositories): http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2007/01/01/howto-ubuntu-home-lan-server
[18:45] <inetpro> jubei_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[18:48] <inetpro> superfly: did you eventually upgrade to Natty?
[18:51] <superfly> inetpro: I've been running Natty since the betas
[18:51] <inetpro> superfly: and how's it cooking?
[18:51] <queery> bye
[18:51] <queery> maaz, cheers
[18:51] <Maaz> May the force be with you queery
[18:51] <superfly> inetpro: it's great, stable, no problems
[18:52] <inetpro> queery: good night
[18:52] <queery> gnyte
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: I see some unhappiness amongst the ubuntu folk and unity
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: indeed, as was to be expected
[18:53] <inetpro> sure
[18:53] <superfly> I'm still happy as a clam on Kubuntu
[18:55]  * inetpro should perhaps get a complete repository from someone and do the upgrade
[19:27] <Kilos> whatever happened to walterl guys
[19:28] <superfly> Kilos: he went to go work for the enemy
[19:28] <Kilos> aw
[19:28] <Kilos> he coulda still kept ubuntu at home
[19:28] <Kilos> he had a nice fast setup there
[19:29] <Kilos> thats so sad
[19:29] <Kilos> hate the idea of anyone leaving linux for the sucks team
[19:30] <Kilos> Maaz, swear at walterl
[19:30] <Maaz> dickbliksem damn shitlapping whoreshitting crapping hellfucking fucking fathercrapping cuntbuggering godshitting poesshitting fathervokken hoercrapping naiierwanking bliksemwanking walterl!
[19:30] <Kilos> hehe
[19:30] <Kilos> dirty mouthed bot
[19:31] <Kilos> Maaz, sis
[19:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[19:35] <superfly> ja, we don't ask Maaz to swear
[19:35] <superfly> his mouth can be dirtier than a sailor's
[19:37] <Kilos> whew
[20:05] <Kilos> will the alternate cd upgrade from karmic or only maverick please guys
[20:06] <Kilos> trying to decide what ian must download
[20:12] <superfly> Kilos: the only upgrades that skip releases are the LTS upgrades
[20:12] <superfly> the rest you have to upgrade release to release
[20:12] <Kilos> ah ty superfly he must just get the iso then
[22:12] <Kilos> maybe he ubuntu designers must think about adding usb-modeswitch into the basic package on the cd
[22:13] <Kilos> ian is trying to install his usb modem in wine
[22:13] <Kilos> on karmic still
[22:13] <Kilos> but his fone was stolen so no connection
[22:13] <superfly> Kilos: karmic is almost as old as you, why are you still using it?
[22:14] <Kilos> ian is his pc was with another guy
[22:14] <Kilos> lol
[22:14] <Kilos> cheeky hey
[22:14] <superfly> :-D
[22:14] <Kilos> lol
[22:15] <Kilos> but really. it usb-modeswitch was added to nm it would save lotsa peeps probs i think
[22:16] <Kilos> because without your internet connection you are stumped
[22:16] <cocooncrash> Kilos: ModemManager does use usb-modeswitch
[22:16] <Kilos> in karmic cocooncrash 
[22:16] <cocooncrash> It all Just Works for me.
[22:16] <cocooncrash> Upgrade :P
[22:16] <superfly> cocooncrash: in the newer releases a lot more modems work without modeswitch
[22:16] <superfly> but in karmic they don't
[22:16] <cocooncrash> superfly: Ah, nice
[22:17] <Kilos> his pc was outa his hands for a long time
[22:17] <Kilos> oh thats good to know
[22:17] <superfly> Kilos: see if you can get some CDs and upgrade (maybe inetpro can help)
[22:17] <superfly> Kilos: if not, let me know and I'll post you all the CDs you need
[22:17] <Kilos> maybe he can then install modem in wine and get naty and install that
[22:18] <Kilos> he is in natty
[22:18] <Kilos> lol
[22:18] <Kilos> sorry
[22:19] <Kilos> he is in rustenburg
[22:19] <superfly> Kilos: usb-modeswitch is 2 small packages, and I think it needs maybe 1 other package
[22:19] <Kilos> yeah but you need to be connected to download them
[22:21] <Kilos> wish he was here
[22:21] <superfly> Kilos: is there no way he can go to a friend's computer and download them there?
[22:21] <Kilos> i will ask him. he is on mxit on fone
[22:21] <Kilos> but he just got home from fetching the pc
[22:23] <Kilos> i would be very grateful if you can post me 2 natty cds after the party please superfly 
[22:24] <superfly> Kilos: I don't have any pressed CDs, and I don't know if I'm going to the release party, but which CDs do you want? 1x Desktop and 1x Alternate?
[22:24] <superfly> I have uncapped, I can download anything you want
[22:25] <Kilos> lol
[22:25] <Kilos> R100 notes?
[22:25] <Kilos> hehe
[22:25] <superfly> haha
[22:25] <superfly> no, just whatever ubuntu stuff you want
[22:26] <Kilos> lol
[22:26] <Kilos> yes 1 of each please
[22:27] <Kilos> or someone from the release party can send pressed ones too
[22:27] <Kilos> all i ever need is a working pc
[22:28] <Kilos> eish he cant install the modem through wine
[22:28] <Kilos> and he onna plaas
[22:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[22:41]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[22:42] <superfly> Kilos: you want 64 bit or 32 bit?
[22:42] <Kilos> 32 please superfly 
[22:42] <Kilos> old pcs
[22:42] <superfly> ok
[22:42] <Kilos> or doesnt it matter
[22:43] <superfly> Kilos: I can send you the DVDs too if you want
[22:43] <Kilos> ian has a dvd on his i have only cd
[22:44] <Kilos> but if i get to aus inna next coupla months there is a better p4 waiting for me with dvd
[22:45] <superfly> Kilos: OK, no worries, there don't seem to be DVDs for 11.04 just yet
[22:45] <Kilos> np ty superfly 
[22:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[22:46] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[22:46] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[23:04] <Kilos> fp
[23:04] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight